If We Close Down All Mosques; Eliminate All Korans. THEN What ?

[protectionist]

Ah, but, in a very real sense, we ARE a 'Christian' nation... or, more accurately, a heavily Christian-leaning secularized Christian nation.

As in... founded by Christians, for Christians, populated largely by Christians and the descendants of Christians, smart enough to separate Church from State, generally tolerant of other religions and belief systems, but based upon and operating from a system of laws, philosophy and morals strongly rooted in and adapted from the European Christian mindset... and rejecting belief systems which manifest open hostility towards our culture and traditions and way of life.

Promoting one religion over another is distinctly unAmerican.

Islam is not a religion. Islam is not even close to being a religion, despite the interesting number of people who are hoodwinked by it. A religion, according to Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed. is a system of beliefs which contains a code of ethics. Code of ethics ? Are you kidding ? Islam is the world's top code of UNethics.

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.

The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.

And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

Also, Islam is banned by the Constitution, Article 6, Section 2. Try reading it sometime.

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/0...s-tax-status-2

Islam Watch - About Us

Islam Is Not A Religion, It Is Foreign Law

Islam and the Definition of Religion

Why Islam is Not a Religion > Rebecca Bynum

Former Muslim, Wafa Sultan, says, "Islam is NOT a religion" | BARE NAKED ISLAM

?Allah is Dead ? Why Islam is Not a Religion? | Logan's Warning

Islam Is Not A Religion, But A Dangerous Ideology | International

Islam: not a religion? « The Immanent Frame

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. « Avid Editor's Insights

Half Sigma: Islam not a religion?

Islam in Italy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comments from Former Muslims - WikiIslam

The Patriot Factor: Islam is NOT a Religion

Why Islam Should NOT Be Protected Under the US Constitution! | CatchKevin.com

Islam: Politics In Religious Garb

Italy: Islam Not Recognized as a Religion -- Denied Religious Tax Status - Atlas Shrugs

Info on Islam: Islam is not a religion

Islam Is Not A Religion It Is A Cult

Islam is NOT a Religion

Islam Does Not Qualify Under US Constitution ?Freedom of Religion? Rights « Northeast Intelligence NetworkNortheast Intelligence Network

Asia Times - Asia's most trusted news source

Islam is a political system ? NOT a religion | Creeping Sharia

Islam is not a religion, but a death cult of misogynistic pedophiles

Promoting one religion over another is distinctly unAmerican.

Islam is not a religion.

That's not for you to decide.

It is for all the American to decide, just like all the Italian people decided, when they decided to define Islam as NOT A RELIGION, and thereby denied it religious tax status, which is granted to actual religions, (Catholic, Christian, Judaism, Hindu, etc)

Another excellent idea from Achmed. Let's just let Italian courts interpret our Constitution for us, that should settle it.

Assuming that there's any truth to it... the start of a trend in The West that might eventually benefit the United States, if we decide to take a closer look at it?

There are also some countries in south Asia where Islam is defined as not a religion and Sharia law is banned.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yet Redfish and Kosher- two of our most outspoken 'Conservatives'

Never respond to Protectionist's actual bizarre unconstitutional posts.

They just complain as usual about liberals.

Its almost like Protectionist and his thread don't exist and they only see liberals' posting in a vacuum.

if you have watched my posts, I take issue with all radicals from all political spectrums. When P says that islam is not a religion, he is full of shit. But what you need to realize is that in muslim countries islam is the religion AND the law. Sharia law comes from the Koran, it is religious law. There are no secular muslim countries.

when you claim that there is no movement to bring sharia law to the US, you are either uninformed or naive. The stated goal of radical muslims is to bring sharia to the entire world through force.

Apparently neither you or obama realize that reality.

Indonesia is a secular Muslim country.

not in reality. the mullahs have more power than the "secular" government.

Prove it.

prove what? what everyone already knows?

Okay, prove 2 things.

1. The mullahs in Indonesia have more power than the government

2. That everyone already knows that.

 

[Liminal]

Ah, but, in a very real sense, we ARE a 'Christian' nation... or, more accurately, a heavily Christian-leaning secularized Christian nation.

As in... founded by Christians, for Christians, populated largely by Christians and the descendants of Christians, smart enough to separate Church from State, generally tolerant of other religions and belief systems, but based upon and operating from a system of laws, philosophy and morals strongly rooted in and adapted from the European Christian mindset... and rejecting belief systems which manifest open hostility towards our culture and traditions and way of life.

Promoting one religion over another is distinctly unAmerican.

Islam is not a religion. Islam is not even close to being a religion, despite the interesting number of people who are hoodwinked by it. A religion, according to Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed. is a system of beliefs which contains a code of ethics. Code of ethics ? Are you kidding ? Islam is the world's top code of UNethics.

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.

The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.

And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

Also, Islam is banned by the Constitution, Article 6, Section 2. Try reading it sometime.

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/0...s-tax-status-2

Islam Watch - About Us

Islam Is Not A Religion, It Is Foreign Law

Islam and the Definition of Religion

Why Islam is Not a Religion > Rebecca Bynum

Former Muslim, Wafa Sultan, says, "Islam is NOT a religion" | BARE NAKED ISLAM

?Allah is Dead ? Why Islam is Not a Religion? | Logan's Warning

Islam Is Not A Religion, But A Dangerous Ideology | International

Islam: not a religion? « The Immanent Frame

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. « Avid Editor's Insights

Half Sigma: Islam not a religion?

Islam in Italy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comments from Former Muslims - WikiIslam

The Patriot Factor: Islam is NOT a Religion

Why Islam Should NOT Be Protected Under the US Constitution! | CatchKevin.com

Islam: Politics In Religious Garb

Italy: Islam Not Recognized as a Religion -- Denied Religious Tax Status - Atlas Shrugs

Info on Islam: Islam is not a religion

Islam Is Not A Religion It Is A Cult

Islam is NOT a Religion

Islam Does Not Qualify Under US Constitution ?Freedom of Religion? Rights « Northeast Intelligence NetworkNortheast Intelligence Network

Asia Times - Asia's most trusted news source

Islam is a political system ? NOT a religion | Creeping Sharia

Islam is not a religion, but a death cult of misogynistic pedophiles

Promoting one religion over another is distinctly unAmerican.

Islam is not a religion.

That's not for you to decide.

It is for all the American to decide, just like all the Italian people decided, when they decided to define Islam as NOT A RELIGION, and thereby denied it religious tax status, which is granted to actual religions, (Catholic, Christian, Judaism, Hindu, etc)

Another excellent idea from Achmed. Let's just let Italian courts interpret our Constitution for us, that should settle it.

Assuming that there's any truth to it... the start of a trend in The West that might eventually benefit the United States, if we decide to take a closer look at it?

Considering ideas like that is unAmerican. Implementing such measures would mean the Constitution had been ripped to shreds, leaving few reasons for this country to even exist.

 

[Kondor3]

Promoting one religion over another is distinctly unAmerican.

Islam is not a religion. Islam is not even close to being a religion, despite the interesting number of people who are hoodwinked by it. A religion, according to Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed. is a system of beliefs which contains a code of ethics. Code of ethics ? Are you kidding ? Islam is the world's top code of UNethics.

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.

The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.

And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

Also, Islam is banned by the Constitution, Article 6, Section 2. Try reading it sometime.

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/0...s-tax-status-2

Islam Watch - About Us

Islam Is Not A Religion, It Is Foreign Law

Islam and the Definition of Religion

Why Islam is Not a Religion > Rebecca Bynum

Former Muslim, Wafa Sultan, says, "Islam is NOT a religion" | BARE NAKED ISLAM

?Allah is Dead ? Why Islam is Not a Religion? | Logan's Warning

Islam Is Not A Religion, But A Dangerous Ideology | International

Islam: not a religion? « The Immanent Frame

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. « Avid Editor's Insights

Half Sigma: Islam not a religion?

Islam in Italy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comments from Former Muslims - WikiIslam

The Patriot Factor: Islam is NOT a Religion

Why Islam Should NOT Be Protected Under the US Constitution! | CatchKevin.com

Islam: Politics In Religious Garb

Italy: Islam Not Recognized as a Religion -- Denied Religious Tax Status - Atlas Shrugs

Info on Islam: Islam is not a religion

Islam Is Not A Religion It Is A Cult

Islam is NOT a Religion

Islam Does Not Qualify Under US Constitution ?Freedom of Religion? Rights « Northeast Intelligence NetworkNortheast Intelligence Network

Asia Times - Asia's most trusted news source

Islam is a political system ? NOT a religion | Creeping Sharia

Islam is not a religion, but a death cult of misogynistic pedophiles

Islam is not a religion.

That's not for you to decide.

It is for all the American to decide, just like all the Italian people decided, when they decided to define Islam as NOT A RELIGION, and thereby denied it religious tax status, which is granted to actual religions, (Catholic, Christian, Judaism, Hindu, etc)

Did the Italians really move to strip Islam of its religious status?

They have done it. In Italy, Islam is officially defined as NOT A RELIGION (and it is denied religious tax status)

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/...d-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2

True.

It is up to ALL of us to decide, as a Nation.

And the only way for that to be decided, is to openly discuss it, admitting all opinions on the subject.

This is not an Islamic court, where only one perspective is allowed.

Oh you're right about that. This forum is an excellent platform for liars and crack pots.

As well as staatists and totalitarians attempting to silence differing opinion.

Tell me professor, how do you silence people on a public forum?

Can't be done.

But that doesn't stop such folk from attempting to silence opinion, through ad hominem attacks and insults and denigration and ridicule, or overwhelming them in a gang-pile of counter-posting, etc.

All that is required to counter that, however, is to simply push back - not to provoke, but to stand one's ground once attacked - and to give back better than one receives.

Because this thread is moving so ridiculously fast, I am answering your question from 4 pages ago (only 10 minutes ago here now >>

They have done it. In Italy, Islam is officially defined as NOT A RELIGION (and it is denied religious tax status)

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/...d-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2

PS - I'm not doing any more posting in here, until this thing slows down. This is nuts.

Interesting.

Islam is not recognized as a religion in Italy, and therefore does not enjoy special protections, tax status, etc.

However, Italy has never recognized Islam as such.

It's not as if they did at one point (as we do), and then revoked that recognition.

Revoking such recognition is probably far trickier than simply refusing to originally recognize it.

Then again, given Islam's hybrid political-legal-cultural-governance-spirituality-warfare nature, there may come a time in future, in which it is in America's best interests, to strip Islam of such recognition, in order to remove Constitutional protections and to strip it of any special tax status. I seriously doubt it, but, in extremis, one never knows.

 

[Liminal]

Ah, but, in a very real sense, we ARE a 'Christian' nation... or, more accurately, a heavily Christian-leaning secularized Christian nation.

As in... founded by Christians, for Christians, populated largely by Christians and the descendants of Christians, smart enough to separate Church from State, generally tolerant of other religions and belief systems, but based upon and operating from a system of laws, philosophy and morals strongly rooted in and adapted from the European Christian mindset... and rejecting belief systems which manifest open hostility towards our culture and traditions and way of life.

Promoting one religion over another is distinctly unAmerican.

Islam is not a religion. Islam is not even close to being a religion, despite the interesting number of people who are hoodwinked by it. A religion, according to Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed. is a system of beliefs which contains a code of ethics. Code of ethics ? Are you kidding ? Islam is the world's top code of UNethics.

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.

The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.

And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

Also, Islam is banned by the Constitution, Article 6, Section 2. Try reading it sometime.

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/0...s-tax-status-2

Islam Watch - About Us

Islam Is Not A Religion, It Is Foreign Law

Islam and the Definition of Religion

Why Islam is Not a Religion > Rebecca Bynum

Former Muslim, Wafa Sultan, says, "Islam is NOT a religion" | BARE NAKED ISLAM

?Allah is Dead ? Why Islam is Not a Religion? | Logan's Warning

Islam Is Not A Religion, But A Dangerous Ideology | International

Islam: not a religion? « The Immanent Frame

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. « Avid Editor's Insights

Half Sigma: Islam not a religion?

Islam in Italy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comments from Former Muslims - WikiIslam

The Patriot Factor: Islam is NOT a Religion

Why Islam Should NOT Be Protected Under the US Constitution! | CatchKevin.com

Islam: Politics In Religious Garb

Italy: Islam Not Recognized as a Religion -- Denied Religious Tax Status - Atlas Shrugs

Info on Islam: Islam is not a religion

Islam Is Not A Religion It Is A Cult

Islam is NOT a Religion

Islam Does Not Qualify Under US Constitution ?Freedom of Religion? Rights « Northeast Intelligence NetworkNortheast Intelligence Network

Asia Times - Asia's most trusted news source

Islam is a political system ? NOT a religion | Creeping Sharia

Islam is not a religion, but a death cult of misogynistic pedophiles

Promoting one religion over another is distinctly unAmerican.

Islam is not a religion.

That's not for you to decide.

It is for all the American to decide, just like all the Italian people decided, when they decided to define Islam as NOT A RELIGION, and thereby denied it religious tax status, which is granted to actual religions, (Catholic, Christian, Judaism, Hindu, etc)

Another excellent idea from Achmed. Let's just let Italian courts interpret our Constitution for us, that should settle it.

Wouldn't be a bad idea, Mohammed. You'd rather have Iran or Pakistan do it, right ?

How about real Americans instead of people like you.

 

[Redfish]

Promoting one religion over another is distinctly unAmerican.

Islam is not a religion. Islam is not even close to being a religion, despite the interesting number of people who are hoodwinked by it. A religion, according to Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed. is a system of beliefs which contains a code of ethics. Code of ethics ? Are you kidding ? Islam is the world's top code of UNethics.

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.

The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.

And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

Also, Islam is banned by the Constitution, Article 6, Section 2. Try reading it sometime.

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/0...s-tax-status-2

Islam Watch - About Us

Islam Is Not A Religion, It Is Foreign Law

Islam and the Definition of Religion

Why Islam is Not a Religion > Rebecca Bynum

Former Muslim, Wafa Sultan, says, "Islam is NOT a religion" | BARE NAKED ISLAM

?Allah is Dead ? Why Islam is Not a Religion? | Logan's Warning

Islam Is Not A Religion, But A Dangerous Ideology | International

Islam: not a religion? « The Immanent Frame

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. « Avid Editor's Insights

Half Sigma: Islam not a religion?

Islam in Italy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comments from Former Muslims - WikiIslam

The Patriot Factor: Islam is NOT a Religion

Why Islam Should NOT Be Protected Under the US Constitution! | CatchKevin.com

Islam: Politics In Religious Garb

Italy: Islam Not Recognized as a Religion -- Denied Religious Tax Status - Atlas Shrugs

Info on Islam: Islam is not a religion

Islam Is Not A Religion It Is A Cult

Islam is NOT a Religion

Islam Does Not Qualify Under US Constitution ?Freedom of Religion? Rights « Northeast Intelligence NetworkNortheast Intelligence Network

Asia Times - Asia's most trusted news source

Islam is a political system ? NOT a religion | Creeping Sharia

Islam is not a religion, but a death cult of misogynistic pedophiles

Islam is not a religion.

That's not for you to decide.

It is for all the American to decide, just like all the Italian people decided, when they decided to define Islam as NOT A RELIGION, and thereby denied it religious tax status, which is granted to actual religions, (Catholic, Christian, Judaism, Hindu, etc)

Another excellent idea from Achmed. Let's just let Italian courts interpret our Constitution for us, that should settle it.

Assuming that there's any truth to it... the start of a trend in The West that might eventually benefit the United States, if we decide to take a closer look at it?

There are also some countries in south Asia where Islam is defined as not a religion and Sharia law is banned.

name them

 

[NYcarbineer]

Most immigrants from Muslim immigrants to this country came for better opportunities - political or religious freedom, economic opportunities, asylum from war torn countries. The kind of things our Statue of Liberty represents.

Where, specifically, are Muslim Americans demanding that other Americans adhere to their culture?

Specifically - what "Islamists" are "Islamizing" America? Are all American Muslims "Islamists"?

most of them are not. but you forget that becoming an american means adopting the american culture and adopting american values. Thats what the early immigrants did and thats what made this country strong.

radical muslims refuse to adopt american culture and values. thats the issue.

No one is 'forgetting' anything.

One can be a loyal and dutiful American citizen while at the same time retaining the values and traditions of his home culture, that is indeed what makes America great and strong; one does not exclude the other.

That a Muslim should adhere to a belief system that you subjectively perceive to be 'radical' does not mitigate that Muslim's rights as an American citizen, where the same holds true for a radical Christian opposed to privacy rights for women and equal protection rights for gay Americans.

Indeed, neither you nor anyone else on the right with an unwarranted fear and hatred of Muslims is in a position of authority to judge whether a Muslim is 'radical' or not, or whether he's refused to to accept American culture and values.

The issue is the ignorance of Islam, along with an unwarranted fear and hatred of Muslims and the failure to understand that the actions of the few are not representative of the whole.

I agree 100%. Did you support the attack on the religious group in Waco?

there is no "fear of muslims" there is an acknowledgement of the danger presented by radical islam.

Did you support the beheading of 21 Christians in the name of Islam?

So no one blames the Koran itself as the source of the terrorism?

We've never heard that rant before? lol, where have you been?

radical interpretation of the koran is the issue here, please try to keep up

So the people who blame the Koran itself, including all those here at USMB, are fucking idiots?

You're catching on.

 

[Kondor3]

...Considering ideas like that is unAmerican. Implementing such measures would mean the Constitution had been ripped to shreds, leaving few reasons for this country to even exist.

Hardly. Considering the removal of protections for a hostile, toxic belief system is a matter of self-preservation. Acting upon such considerations is another matter, but, in a survival setting or sufficient extreme conditions, you can count on such thinking coming to the forefront. And all within the framework of Constitutional Law. Count on that too, if such a sorry day ever materializes. Don't believe me? Think west coast 'Japanese-Americans' during the 1941-1945 time frame. And, of course, under circumstances wherein Safety and Constitutionality are at sword's point - Safety wins-out, nearly every time. Count on that, too. The US Constitution is not a collective suicide pact.

 

[protectionist]

That's not for you to decide.

True.

It is up to ALL of us to decide, as a Nation.

And the only way for that to be decided, is to openly discuss it, admitting all opinions on the subject.

This is not an Islamic court, where only one perspective is allowed.

Oh you're right about that. This forum is an excellent platform for liars and crack pots.

As well as staatists and totalitarians attempting to silence differing opinion.

Tell me professor, how do you silence people on a public forum?

Can't be done.

But that doesn't stop such folk from attempting to silence opinion, through ad hominem attacks and insults and denigration and ridicule, or overwhelming them in a gang-pile of counter-posting, etc.

All that is required to counter that, however, is to simply push back - not to provoke, but to stand one's ground once attacked - and to give back better than one receives.

That's not hard to do against these Islamapologist phonies, who have no substance to say, and pretend that the obvious (Supremacy Clause outlawing supremacism) doesn't exist. There are no limits of absurdity to which these zealots (some of who are Muslim jihadists) will go, to push their jihad, and try to silence their critics.

 

[Redfish]

if you have watched my posts, I take issue with all radicals from all political spectrums. When P says that islam is not a religion, he is full of shit. But what you need to realize is that in muslim countries islam is the religion AND the law. Sharia law comes from the Koran, it is religious law. There are no secular muslim countries.

when you claim that there is no movement to bring sharia law to the US, you are either uninformed or naive. The stated goal of radical muslims is to bring sharia to the entire world through force.

Apparently neither you or obama realize that reality.

Indonesia is a secular Muslim country.

not in reality. the mullahs have more power than the "secular" government.

Prove it.

prove what? what everyone already knows?

Okay, prove 2 things.

1. The mullahs in Indonesia have more power than the government

2. That everyone already knows that.

the mullahs have more power than the government in all islamic countries. Islam is the government, the mullahs, imams, and ayatollahs run the church and thereby the government. presidents are figureheads and implementers of the dictates of the religious leaders.

I am sorry if you education failed you in that regard.

 

[Redfish]

True.

It is up to ALL of us to decide, as a Nation.

And the only way for that to be decided, is to openly discuss it, admitting all opinions on the subject.

This is not an Islamic court, where only one perspective is allowed.

Oh you're right about that. This forum is an excellent platform for liars and crack pots.

As well as staatists and totalitarians attempting to silence differing opinion.

Tell me professor, how do you silence people on a public forum?

Can't be done.

But that doesn't stop such folk from attempting to silence opinion, through ad hominem attacks and insults and denigration and ridicule, or overwhelming them in a gang-pile of counter-posting, etc.

All that is required to counter that, however, is to simply push back - not to provoke, but to stand one's ground once attacked - and to give back better than one receives.

That's not hard to do against these Islamapologist phonies, who have no substance to say, and pretend that the obvious (Supremacy Clause outlawing supremacism) doesn't exist. There are no limits of absurdity to which these zealots (some of who are Muslim jihadists) will go, to push their jihad, and try to silence their critics.

yes, but you are wrong when you claim that islam is not a religion.

 

[protectionist]

...Considering ideas like that is unAmerican. Implementing such measures would mean the Constitution had been ripped to shreds, leaving few reasons for this country to even exist.

Hardly. Considering the removal of protections for a hostile, toxic belief system is a matter of self-preservation. Acting upon such considerations is another matter, but, in a survival setting or sufficient extreme conditions, you can count on such thinking coming to the forefront. And all within the framework of Constitutional Law. Count on that too, if such a sorry day ever materializes.

His dumbass claim about religious freedom was already refuted thoroughly in numerous past posts. He's just another jihadist babbling taqiyya.

 

[protectionist]

Oh you're right about that. This forum is an excellent platform for liars and crack pots.

As well as staatists and totalitarians attempting to silence differing opinion.

Tell me professor, how do you silence people on a public forum?

Can't be done.

But that doesn't stop such folk from attempting to silence opinion, through ad hominem attacks and insults and denigration and ridicule, or overwhelming them in a gang-pile of counter-posting, etc.

All that is required to counter that, however, is to simply push back - not to provoke, but to stand one's ground once attacked - and to give back better than one receives.

That's not hard to do against these Islamapologist phonies, who have no substance to say, and pretend that the obvious (Supremacy Clause outlawing supremacism) doesn't exist. There are no limits of absurdity to which these zealots (some of who are Muslim jihadists) will go, to push their jihad, and try to silence their critics.

yes, but you are wrong when you claim that islam is not a religion.

I am right. Italy is right. Most people around the world are right. You are wrong.

 

[Redfish]

most of them are not. but you forget that becoming an american means adopting the american culture and adopting american values. Thats what the early immigrants did and thats what made this country strong.

radical muslims refuse to adopt american culture and values. thats the issue.

No one is 'forgetting' anything.

One can be a loyal and dutiful American citizen while at the same time retaining the values and traditions of his home culture, that is indeed what makes America great and strong; one does not exclude the other.

That a Muslim should adhere to a belief system that you subjectively perceive to be 'radical' does not mitigate that Muslim's rights as an American citizen, where the same holds true for a radical Christian opposed to privacy rights for women and equal protection rights for gay Americans.

Indeed, neither you nor anyone else on the right with an unwarranted fear and hatred of Muslims is in a position of authority to judge whether a Muslim is 'radical' or not, or whether he's refused to to accept American culture and values.

The issue is the ignorance of Islam, along with an unwarranted fear and hatred of Muslims and the failure to understand that the actions of the few are not representative of the whole.

I agree 100%. Did you support the attack on the religious group in Waco?

there is no "fear of muslims" there is an acknowledgement of the danger presented by radical islam.

Did you support the beheading of 21 Christians in the name of Islam?

So no one blames the Koran itself as the source of the terrorism?

We've never heard that rant before? lol, where have you been?

radical interpretation of the koran is the issue here, please try to keep up

So the people who blame the Koran itself, including all those here at USMB, are fucking idiots?

You're catching on.

I have always caught on, its you who has been very slow.

there are verses in the koran that can easily be interpreted to support violence against all non-muslims. There is absolutely no question about that.

I would say that the "fucking idiots" are the ones who deny that radical islam exists and is determined to destroy western civilization.

 

[Redfish]

As well as staatists and totalitarians attempting to silence differing opinion.

Tell me professor, how do you silence people on a public forum?

Can't be done.

But that doesn't stop such folk from attempting to silence opinion, through ad hominem attacks and insults and denigration and ridicule, or overwhelming them in a gang-pile of counter-posting, etc.

All that is required to counter that, however, is to simply push back - not to provoke, but to stand one's ground once attacked - and to give back better than one receives.

That's not hard to do against these Islamapologist phonies, who have no substance to say, and pretend that the obvious (Supremacy Clause outlawing supremacism) doesn't exist. There are no limits of absurdity to which these zealots (some of who are Muslim jihadists) will go, to push their jihad, and try to silence their critics.

yes, but you are wrong when you claim that islam is not a religion.

I am right. Italy is right. Most people around the world are right. You are wrong.

no, you are an idiot. but I am not going to waste time proving it since you prove your idiocy with each new post.

 

[Liminal]

As well as staatists and totalitarians attempting to silence differing opinion.

Tell me professor, how do you silence people on a public forum?

Can't be done.

But that doesn't stop such folk from attempting to silence opinion, through ad hominem attacks and insults and denigration and ridicule, or overwhelming them in a gang-pile of counter-posting, etc.

All that is required to counter that, however, is to simply push back - not to provoke, but to stand one's ground once attacked - and to give back better than one receives.

That's not hard to do against these Islamapologist phonies, who have no substance to say, and pretend that the obvious (Supremacy Clause outlawing supremacism) doesn't exist. There are no limits of absurdity to which these zealots (some of who are Muslim jihadists) will go, to push their jihad, and try to silence their critics.

yes, but you are wrong when you claim that islam is not a religion.

I am right. Italy is right. Most people around the world are right. You are wrong.

Is that what the poll in your comprehensive study reveals?

 

[protectionist]

Ah, but, in a very real sense, we ARE a 'Christian' nation... or, more accurately, a heavily Christian-leaning secularized Christian nation.

As in... founded by Christians, for Christians, populated largely by Christians and the descendants of Christians, smart enough to separate Church from State, generally tolerant of other religions and belief systems, but based upon and operating from a system of laws, philosophy and morals strongly rooted in and adapted from the European Christian mindset... and rejecting belief systems which manifest open hostility towards our culture and traditions and way of life.

Promoting one religion over another is distinctly unAmerican.

Islam is not a religion. Islam is not even close to being a religion, despite the interesting number of people who are hoodwinked by it. A religion, according to Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th ed. is a system of beliefs which contains a code of ethics. Code of ethics ? Are you kidding ? Islam is the world's top code of UNethics.

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.

The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.

And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

Also, Islam is banned by the Constitution, Article 6, Section 2. Try reading it sometime.

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Islam is not a religion, but a death cult of misogynistic pedophiles

Your disguise still isn't working Achmed.

What disguise ? The only disguise in this thread is Islam being disguised ot be a religion, and YOU KNOW it , Mohammed.

You are obviously a Muslim extremist, an ISIS operative. Who else would spread the message of Jihad the way you do, huh Achmed?

That's exactly what YOU ARE. An ISIS operative. YOU. You are spreading the message of Jihad, and trying to silence the critics of it. YOU, Mohammed, YOU.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Indonesia is a secular Muslim country.

not in reality. the mullahs have more power than the "secular" government.

Prove it.

prove what? what everyone already knows?

Okay, prove 2 things.

1. The mullahs in Indonesia have more power than the government

2. That everyone already knows that.

the mullahs have more power than the government in all islamic countries. Islam is the government, the mullahs, imams, and ayatollahs run the church and thereby the government. presidents are figureheads and implementers of the dictates of the religious leaders.

I am sorry if you education failed you in that regard.

Indonesian Constitution:

Article 28E

(1) Every person shall be free to choose and to practice the religion of his/her choice, to choose one's education, to choose one's employment, to choose one's citizenship, and to choose one's place of residence within the state territory, to leave it and to subsequently return to it.
(2) Every person shall have the right to the freedom to believe his/her faith (kepercayaan), and to express his/her views and thoughts, in accordance with his/her conscience.
(3) Every person shall have the right to the freedom to associate, to assemble and to express opinions.

 

[protectionist]

Tell me professor, how do you silence people on a public forum?

Can't be done.

But that doesn't stop such folk from attempting to silence opinion, through ad hominem attacks and insults and denigration and ridicule, or overwhelming them in a gang-pile of counter-posting, etc.

All that is required to counter that, however, is to simply push back - not to provoke, but to stand one's ground once attacked - and to give back better than one receives.

That's not hard to do against these Islamapologist phonies, who have no substance to say, and pretend that the obvious (Supremacy Clause outlawing supremacism) doesn't exist. There are no limits of absurdity to which these zealots (some of who are Muslim jihadists) will go, to push their jihad, and try to silence their critics.

yes, but you are wrong when you claim that islam is not a religion.

I am right. Italy is right. Most people around the world are right. You are wrong.

no, you are an idiot. but I am not going to waste time proving it since you prove your idiocy with each new post.

You not going to waste time trying to prove it, because you CAN'T.

I am right. Italy is right. Most people around the world are right. You are wrong

 

[protectionist]

not in reality. the mullahs have more power than the "secular" government.

Prove it.

prove what? what everyone already knows?

Okay, prove 2 things.

1. The mullahs in Indonesia have more power than the government

2. That everyone already knows that.

the mullahs have more power than the government in all islamic countries. Islam is the government, the mullahs, imams, and ayatollahs run the church and thereby the government. presidents are figureheads and implementers of the dictates of the religious leaders.

I am sorry if you education failed you in that regard.

Indonesian Constitution:

Article 28E

(1) Every person shall be free to choose and to practice the religion of his/her choice, to choose one's education, to choose one's employment, to choose one's citizenship, and to choose one's place of residence within the state territory, to leave it and to subsequently return to it.
(2) Every person shall have the right to the freedom to believe his/her faith (kepercayaan), and to express his/her views and thoughts, in accordance with his/her conscience.
(3) Every person shall have the right to the freedom to associate, to assemble and to express opinions.

That is tantamount to a ban on Islam.