If you live in the US, Are Hamas and Hizballah Terrorist Organizations?

[irosie91]

Thanks tinnie----for the shitty propaganda By coincidence,
I was talking to my husband this morning about HIS GRAND-
FATHER who was also a freedom fighter. His fight began
some time around 1930 after the rape and murder of his
wife and two babies. He was left with one teenaged son
and began his flight from the islamo nazi oppression that you
support something like the mid 1930s. A detail I did not know
was the ELDER SISTER of that man who had escaped islamic
oppression much earlier Estimated times would be that the
elder sister was born some time around 1860 and at a young
age was married to a man with the provision that HE rescue
her from islamic oppression by taking her to palestine.
At that time getting to palestine from the shariah shit hole
in question---involved traveling thru Egypt. The husband
died in egypt leaving hubbys father's aunt a widow when
she got to palestine ----that elderly great aunt of my hubby
lived with hubby's family until she died in palestine pre 1948.

the hero of my story---the freedom fighter is hubbys grand-
father who died in the shariah shit hole in which he was born---
WHILST rescuing his own son----and daughter in law---and
hubby and sibs. The daughter in law (hubby's mother)
was escaping the DHMMI ORPHAN law----another detail
that you and sherri support ---(in short--enslavement of
non muslim orphans---the same law that makes LEGAL
the enslavment of christians in sudan)

The most ardent FREEDOM FIGHTERS in 'palestine/israel'
are ---in fact----the jews who escaped the filth of islamic
oppression long before 1948---today new REAL freedom
fighters are also gathered in israel----the christians who escaped
the filth you and sherri support-----IN SUDAN.

arabs in palestine in 1948 took a short walk down the road
into the arms of their own bretheren----OF THE HUNDREDS
OF MILLIONS OF REFUGEES OF THE 20th century---THEIR
TRAVAILS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LIGHTEST OF ALL---
THE PEOPLE WHO CREATED PROBLEMS FOR THEM
WERE THEIR OWN BRETHEREN---a situation which
continues today in the name of allah,isa and the rapist
pig------FOR THE SAKE OF ISLAMIC IMPERIALISM

 

[High_Gravity]

Foreign Terrorist Organizations

BUREAU OF COUNTERTERRORISM

Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) are foreign organizations that are designated by the Secretary of State in accordance with section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), as amended. FTO designations play a critical role in our fight against terrorism and are an effective means of curtailing support for terrorist activities and pressuring groups to get out of the terrorism business.

Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations

Date Designated:
10/8/1997
Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)

10/8/1997
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)

10/8/1997
Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group) (IG)

10/8/1997
HAMAS

10/8/1997
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)

10/8/1997
Hizballah

etc.

Identification

The Bureau of Counterterrorism in the State Department (S/CT) continually monitors the activities of terrorist groups active around the world to identify potential targets for designation. When reviewing potential targets, S/CT looks not only at the actual terrorist attacks that a group has carried out, but also at whether the group has engaged in planning and preparations for possible future acts of terrorism or retains the capability and intent to carry out such acts.

Legal Ramifications of Designation

It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide "material support or resources" to a designated FTO. (The term "material support or resources" is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) as " any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who maybe or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2) provides that for these purposes “the term ‘training’ means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill, as opposed to general knowledge.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3) further provides that for these purposes the term ‘expert advice or assistance’ means advice or assistance derived from scientific, technical or other specialized knowledge.’’
Representatives and members of a designated FTO, if they are aliens, are inadmissible to and, in certain circumstances, removable from the United States (see 8 U.S.C. §§ 1182 (a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)-(V), 1227 (a)(1)(A)).
Any U.S. financial institution that becomes aware that it has possession of or control over funds in which a designated FTO or its agent has an interest must retain possession of or control over the funds and report the funds to the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

Absolutely yes.

 

[irosie91]

for the sake of our dear starving Samer-----
I object to your overt and audacious uhm...
'certitude' <<< is that a word??

 

[sealadaigh]

Yo sound more like a lawyer than Sherri and me together, avoiding a simple "yes or no question".

Do you mind for the sake lf honesty to just answer it? shouldn't be that complicated.

Terrorism is a propaganda campaign.

That's a hog stupid remark.

it is an extraordinarily intelligent and accurate remark.

 

[Roudy]

Foreign Terrorist Organizations

BUREAU OF COUNTERTERRORISM

Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) are foreign organizations that are designated by the Secretary of State in accordance with section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), as amended. FTO designations play a critical role in our fight against terrorism and are an effective means of curtailing support for terrorist activities and pressuring groups to get out of the terrorism business.

Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations

Date Designated:
10/8/1997
Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)

10/8/1997
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)

10/8/1997
Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group) (IG)

10/8/1997
HAMAS

10/8/1997
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)

10/8/1997
Hizballah

etc.

Identification

The Bureau of Counterterrorism in the State Department (S/CT) continually monitors the activities of terrorist groups active around the world to identify potential targets for designation. When reviewing potential targets, S/CT looks not only at the actual terrorist attacks that a group has carried out, but also at whether the group has engaged in planning and preparations for possible future acts of terrorism or retains the capability and intent to carry out such acts.

Legal Ramifications of Designation

It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide "material support or resources" to a designated FTO. (The term "material support or resources" is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) as " any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who maybe or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2) provides that for these purposes “the term ‘training’ means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill, as opposed to general knowledge.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3) further provides that for these purposes the term ‘expert advice or assistance’ means advice or assistance derived from scientific, technical or other specialized knowledge.’’
Representatives and members of a designated FTO, if they are aliens, are inadmissible to and, in certain circumstances, removable from the United States (see 8 U.S.C. §§ 1182 (a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)-(V), 1227 (a)(1)(A)).
Any U.S. financial institution that becomes aware that it has possession of or control over funds in which a designated FTO or its agent has an interest must retain possession of or control over the funds and report the funds to the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

are they terrorists ??was Jack The Ripper a murderer ??

Do bears crap in the woods?

 

[Roudy]

I'll leave that terrorist thing to the third grade name callers.

Yo sound more like a lawyer than Sherri and me together, avoiding a simple "yes or no question".

Do you mind for the sake lf honesty to just answer it? shouldn't be that complicated.

Terrorism is a propaganda campaign.

Ya okay, that's what terrorist supporters usually say. Tell that to the judge. LOL

 

[Roudy]

Thanks tinnie----for the shitty propaganda By coincidence,
I was talking to my husband this morning about HIS GRAND-
FATHER who was also a freedom fighter. His fight began
some time around 1930 after the rape and murder of his
wife and two babies. He was left with one teenaged son
and began his flight from the islamo nazi oppression that you
support something like the mid 1930s. A detail I did not know
was the ELDER SISTER of that man who had escaped islamic
oppression much earlier Estimated times would be that the
elder sister was born some time around 1860 and at a young
age was married to a man with the provision that HE rescue
her from islamic oppression by taking her to palestine.
At that time getting to palestine from the shariah shit hole
in question---involved traveling thru Egypt. The husband
died in egypt leaving hubbys father's aunt a widow when
she got to palestine ----that elderly great aunt of my hubby
lived with hubby's family until she died in palestine pre 1948.

the hero of my story---the freedom fighter is hubbys grand-
father who died in the shariah shit hole in which he was born---
WHILST rescuing his own son----and daughter in law---and
hubby and sibs. The daughter in law (hubby's mother)
was escaping the DHMMI ORPHAN law----another detail
that you and sherri support ---(in short--enslavement of
non muslim orphans---the same law that makes LEGAL
the enslavment of christians in sudan)

The most ardent FREEDOM FIGHTERS in 'palestine/israel'
are ---in fact----the jews who escaped the filth of islamic
oppression long before 1948---today new REAL freedom
fighters are also gathered in israel----the christians who escaped
the filth you and sherri support-----IN SUDAN.

arabs in palestine in 1948 took a short walk down the road
into the arms of their own bretheren----OF THE HUNDREDS
OF MILLIONS OF REFUGEES OF THE 20th century---THEIR
TRAVAILS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LIGHTEST OF ALL---
THE PEOPLE WHO CREATED PROBLEMS FOR THEM
WERE THEIR OWN BRETHEREN---a situation which
continues today in the name of allah,isa and the rapist
pig------FOR THE SAKE OF ISLAMIC IMPERIALISM

A majority of Israelis today are Jews who have fled Muslim savages, or descendants of. I have many such relatives in Israel.

 

[Sunni Man]

In the U.S. and Europe they are classified as terrorists organizations.

But to the rest of the world they are viewed as freedom fighters.........

 

[Roudy]

The word "terrorism" is politically and emotionally charged,[5] and this greatly compounds the difficulty of providing a precise definition. Studies have found over 100 definitions of “terrorism”.[6][7] The concept of terrorism may be controversial as it is often used by state authorities (and individuals with access to state support) to delegitimize political or other opponents,[8] and potentially legitimize the state's own use of armed force against opponents (such use of force may be described as "terror" by opponents of the state).[8][9]

The definition of terrorism has proved controversial. Various legal systems and government agencies use different definitions of terrorism in their national legislation. Moreover, the international community has been slow to formulate a universally agreed, legally binding definition of this crime. These difficulties arise from the fact that the term "terrorism" is politically and emotionally charged.[21] In this regard, Angus Martyn, briefing the Australian Parliament, stated that

"The international community has never succeeded in developing an accepted comprehensive definition of terrorism. During the 1970s and 1980s, the United Nations attempts to define the term floundered mainly due to differences of opinion between various members about the use of violence in the context of conflicts over national liberation and self-determination."[1]

The terms "terrorism" and "terrorist" (someone who engages in terrorism) carry strong negative connotations.[43] These terms are often used as political labels, to condemn violence or the threat of violence by certain actors as immoral, indiscriminate, unjustified or to condemn an entire segment of a population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

Do you believe that people have the right to defend their country?

Tinmore is now back to his word games. All signs of desperation. US govt, Western Europe, and many other nations have classified Hamas as terrorist because they qualify the criteria.

Wikipedia will not save you from a jail sentence should you appear in front of a judge. Pack a lot of Vaseline.

 

[Roudy]

In the U.S. and Europe they are classified as terrorists organizations.

But to the rest of the world they are viewed as freedom fighters.........

Ha ha ha. Now that was organically funny. Bang your head a little too hard on the rug this morning, eh?

 

[Hossfly]

In the U.S. and Europe they are classified as terrorists organizations.

But to the rest of the world they are viewed as freedom fighters.........

Maybe so but I prefer Irosie's version of 'Freedom Fighters.' She's more descriptive. Know what I mean?

 

[Hossfly]

The word "terrorism" is politically and emotionally charged,[5] and this greatly compounds the difficulty of providing a precise definition. Studies have found over 100 definitions of “terrorism”.[6][7] The concept of terrorism may be controversial as it is often used by state authorities (and individuals with access to state support) to delegitimize political or other opponents,[8] and potentially legitimize the state's own use of armed force against opponents (such use of force may be described as "terror" by opponents of the state).[8][9]

The definition of terrorism has proved controversial. Various legal systems and government agencies use different definitions of terrorism in their national legislation. Moreover, the international community has been slow to formulate a universally agreed, legally binding definition of this crime. These difficulties arise from the fact that the term "terrorism" is politically and emotionally charged.[21] In this regard, Angus Martyn, briefing the Australian Parliament, stated that

"The international community has never succeeded in developing an accepted comprehensive definition of terrorism. During the 1970s and 1980s, the United Nations attempts to define the term floundered mainly due to differences of opinion between various members about the use of violence in the context of conflicts over national liberation and self-determination."[1]

The terms "terrorism" and "terrorist" (someone who engages in terrorism) carry strong negative connotations.[43] These terms are often used as political labels, to condemn violence or the threat of violence by certain actors as immoral, indiscriminate, unjustified or to condemn an entire segment of a population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

Do you believe that people have the right to defend their country?

Tinmore is now back to his word games. All signs of desperation. US govt, Western Europe, and many other nations have classified Hamas as terrorist because they qualify the criteria.

Wikipedia will not save you from a jail sentence should you appear in front of a judge. Pack a lot of Vaseline.

Yep. Leroy is waiting. Impatiently.

 

[irosie91]

In the U.S. and Europe they are classified as terrorists organizations.

But to the rest of the world they are viewed as freedom fighters.........

rest of WHAT WORLD? I can think of lots of people in and from
india who do not see them as anything other than the shit they are.
In fact----I can think of pakistanis I know who would not be at all
upset if a SHIITE HEZBOLLAH PIG got a bullet between his eyes.
There was a time when I was horrified when pakistani sunnis---
giggled over drive by shootings of shiites-----but I am beginning
to see their "logic" What ya think the saudi sunnis are going
to do if HEZBOLLAH decides to RESCUE THE LAND OF THE TWO
MOSQUES? (that fatimah chick should be awarded a nobel
peace prize posthumously for her contribution to sectarian strife
in the 'ummah' )

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

In the U.S. and Europe they are classified as terrorists organizations.

But to the rest of the world they are viewed as freedom fighters.........

One side's terrorist is the other side's freedom fighter!

 

[MJB12741]

Sherri, how can those Zionists claim the Palestinains don't want peace when the Palestinian people themselves elected Hamas to govern them & carry out their wishes?

In the U.S. and Europe they are classified as terrorists organizations.

But to the rest of the world they are viewed as freedom fighters.........

One side's terrorist is the other side's freedom fighter!

 

[sealadaigh]

Roudy, et al,

Yes! They both unlawfully use or threatened use of force or violence against people and property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Most Respectfully,
R

that pretty well defines most of the militaries in the world, and particularly the IDF...except perhaps for the unlawful part.

how about the nazis? were they terrorists? was castro a terrorist when he was supported by the U.S., or only when he fell out of favour with us? the girondins? i believe the term "terrorism" originated due to their lawful activities. viet cong? viet minh? NVA?
ARVN? 23rd?

who exactly is HAMAS and hezbollah trying to intimidate or coerce for ideological or political purposes, as opposed to simply ridding their land or the region of a colonial power or the remnants of that power.

 

[Roudy]

Amen!

18 USC § 2339B - Providing material support or resources to designated foreign terrorist organizations | Title 18 - Crimes and Criminal Procedure | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute

(a) Prohibited Activities.—
(1) Unlawful conduct.— Whoever knowingly provides material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization, or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both, and, if the death of any person results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life

 

[Roudy]

Roudy, et al,

Yes! They both unlawfully use or threatened use of force or violence against people and property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Most Respectfully,
R

that pretty well defines most of the militaries in the world, and particularly the IDF...except perhaps for the unlawful part.

how about the nazis? were they terrorists? was castro a terrorist when he was supported by the U.S., or only when he fell out of favour with us? the girondins? i believe the term "terrorism" originated due to their lawful activities. viet cong? viet minh? NVA?
ARVN? 23rd?

who exactly is HAMAS and hezbollah trying to intimidate or coerce for ideological or political purposes, as opposed to simply ridding their land or the region of a colonial power or the remnants of that power.

Sowee. Hamas are bloodthirsty animals that kill women, children, and civilians intentionally and gloat about it.

 

[MHunterB]

Terrorism is a propaganda campaign.

That's a hog stupid remark.

it is an extraordinarily intelligent and accurate remark.

That is your opinion of it. For whatever your opinion is worth to anyone else.......

 

[Roudy]

In the U.S. and Europe they are classified as terrorists organizations.

But to the rest of the world they are viewed as freedom fighters.........

One side's terrorist is the other side's freedom fighter!

America's side says they are terrorists.

IslamoNazi animals think they aren't.

Who's side are you are on...obviously not America.