In Jerusalem, Israel now.

[Mindful]

A rabbi and a priest in Jerusalem.

- Rabbi Tomer And the pries-Singing Hallelujah - YouTube

 

[Art__Allm]

The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program

The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.

There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.

The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:

These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29

http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf

The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books

A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
...
Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf

 

[Art__Allm]

He told me that Wikipedia wasn't trustworthy as a source.

Well, only if a Wiki-Article is not edited by Zionists yet, then it is not "trustworthy" yet.



The Wiki-Article about the Khazars was already edited by Zionists, all "non-kosher" information was removed, you can see this if you look at the older versions of the history of Khazaria and Ashkenazi.

 

[toastman]

He told me that Wikipedia wasn't trustworthy as a source.

Well, only if a Wiki-Article is not edited by Zionists yet, then it is not "trustworthy" yet.



The Wiki-Article about the Khazars was already edited by Zionists, all "non-kosher" information was removed, you can see this if you look at the older versions of the history of Khazaria and Ashkenazi.

What's the name of the user who did this?

 

[toastman]

The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program

The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.

There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.

The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:

These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29

http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf

The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books

A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
...
Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf

The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program

The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.

There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.

The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:

These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29

http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf

The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books

A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
...
Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf

Sorry, but genetics are definitely not on your side:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/s...tion=keypress&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article

Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives.

That is the conclusion of two new genetic surveys, the first to use genome-wide scanning devices to compare many Jewish communities around the world.

A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands.

The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times.


This article explains how the Khazar theoy is false, in a simple manner:

Debunking the Fake Jew AKA The Khazarian Jew Myth. page 1

One of the biggest problems with the Khazar theory is that there is absolutely no proof of the alleged 'mass conversion'.

 

[haissem123]

Yes, we know you are a Nazi supporter. And for that reason, you have zero credibility on the subject of Jews/Israel

Why does any discussion about the crimes of Zionist and the suffering of Palestininas always end with the Nazis and the suffering of Jews?
What has the violation of the international laws by the Zionists that happens TODAY to do with something that happened many, many years ago?

because the jews cry foul as they commit terrorism and kill women and children in the name of their God.

 

[haissem123]

they always win the battles but lose the war against God for he sees their evil and always punishes them for it. especially when done in his name for some holy land b.s.

 

[toastman]

they always win the battles but lose the war against God for he sees their evil and always punishes them for it. especially when done in his name for some holy land b.s.

Typical Muslim comment. If God sees any evil, it is that of the Muslims who commit endless atrocities on a daily basis.

 

[haissem123]

they always win the battles but lose the war against God for he sees their evil and always punishes them for it. especially when done in his name for some holy land b.s.

Typical Muslim comment. If God sees any evil, it is that of the Muslims who commit endless atrocities on a daily basis.

tell us all again how israel was formed first and again on the backs of terrorism and then explain why you shouldn't have it done unto you in allah's name? go on. lie to us some more so your nose grows even longer if it can

 

[Hossfly]

The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program

The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.

There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.

The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:

These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29

http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf

The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books

A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
...
Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf

I still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?

Palestinians The Invented People

The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.

New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog

Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.

Articles Who are the Jews

 

[teddyearp]

No Teddy he was Murdered by David(you are reading the Sanitized Songsheet

OK, if you insist on this, give me a link. Prove it. Mine is not the sanitized song sheet, it is here:

1Samuel 34:4 . . . . So Saul took his own sword and fell on it.

And I just got reminded that I visited the town where they put up his body on the walls in 2011. Thanks for that.

 

[teddyearp]

this is the murder I was referring to

14 In the morning David wrote a to Joab and sent it with Uriah. 15 In it he wrote, “Put Uriah out in front where the fighting is fiercest. Then withdraw from him so he will be struck

However, you have no dog in that fight, and your point is moot since you do not believe he existed. If you do not believe he is real, then you cannot argue any thing good or bad about the man, nor accuse him of anything either.

 

[teddyearp]

I'll tell you one thing I am already sure I didn't miss about home. The slow ass po-dunk internet speed I have out here in the sticks. I swear, 1.5 meg is the new dial up. It took almost 48 hours to upload my 600 some odd pics to photobucket. I uploaded my 150 or so cell phone picks while in Portland on LTE and it took literally maybe a half hour.

 

[Hossfly]

they always win the battles but lose the war against God for he sees their evil and always punishes them for it. especially when done in his name for some holy land b.s.

Typical Muslim comment. If God sees any evil, it is that of the Muslims who commit endless atrocities on a daily basis.

tell us all again how israel was formed first and again on the backs of terrorism and then explain why you shouldn't have it done unto you in allah's name? go on. lie to us some more so your nose grows even longer if it can

Tell us how Islam managed to spread when the Muslims left the Peninsula and murdered millions of innocent people, such as: History of Jihad against the Egyptian Coptic Christians 640 Did Allah see their evil? Your taqiyyah has you by the nose.

 

[Phoenall]

The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program

The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.

There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.

The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:

These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29

http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf

The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books

A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
...
Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf

What don't you understand about the Khazars being an invention of the 20C in a work of Fiction. Just as Harry Potter is an invention in a work of fiction. The person who invented them came out and said so after the islamomorons claimed his book was based on facts.

 

[Phoenall]

He told me that Wikipedia wasn't trustworthy as a source.

Well, only if a Wiki-Article is not edited by Zionists yet, then it is not "trustworthy" yet.



The Wiki-Article about the Khazars was already edited by Zionists, all "non-kosher" information was removed, you can see this if you look at the older versions of the history of Khazaria and Ashkenazi.

A monte sock puppet

 

[Phoenall]

The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program

The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.

There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.

The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:

These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29

http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf

The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books

A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
...
Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf

The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program

The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.

There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.

The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:

These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29

http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf

The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books

A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
...
Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf

Sorry, but genetics are definitely not on your side:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/s...tion=keypress&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article

Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives.

That is the conclusion of two new genetic surveys, the first to use genome-wide scanning devices to compare many Jewish communities around the world.

A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands.

The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times.


This article explains how the Khazar theoy is false, in a simple manner:

Debunking the Fake Jew AKA The Khazarian Jew Myth. page 1

One of the biggest problems with the Khazar theory is that there is absolutely no proof of the alleged 'mass conversion'.

There is no absolute proof of the Khazars ever having existed outside of the realms of fiction. Just as there is no proof that the Protocols where written by Jews

 

[Phoenall]

Yes, we know you are a Nazi supporter. And for that reason, you have zero credibility on the subject of Jews/Israel

Why does any discussion about the crimes of Zionist and the suffering of Palestininas always end with the Nazis and the suffering of Jews?
What has the violation of the international laws by the Zionists that happens TODAY to do with something that happened many, many years ago?

because the jews cry foul as they commit terrorism and kill women and children in the name of their God.

So you an produce a video of this actually happening can you, there are plenty of them showing muslims screeching allahu ahkbar as they mass murder women and children aren't there.
How about you produce a link to the violation of International Laws then, a court case at the ICC or ICJ would do it.

 

[Phoenall]

they always win the battles but lose the war against God for he sees their evil and always punishes them for it. especially when done in his name for some holy land b.s.

Like when he drops an Earthquake on the muslims, or a tidal wave. How about a volcano, a deluge, a pandemic etc.
Seems he has more problems with muslims as he kills a hell of a lot of them in various ways, but does not kill very many Jews or Christians.

I wonder will the muslims ever realise that they are even losing the support of their gods

 

[theliq]

No Teddy he was Murdered by David(you are reading the Sanitized Songsheet

OK, if you insist on this, give me a link. Prove it. Mine is not the sanitized song sheet, it is here:

1Samuel 34:4 . . . . So Saul took his own sword and fell on it.

And I just got reminded that I visited the town where they put up his body on the walls in 2011. Thanks for that.

I will find it for you Teddy.....whilst I'm looking,something for you to peruse ....HOW ISLAM SAVED THE JEWS -David Wasserstein The Book of Doctrines and Opinions

I'd be interested by your comments and thoughts Teddy..Regards steve