In the name of Islam

[Tilly]

Shaheed stated he did it for his religion. Far be it for me to call him a liar.

Oh. But you'll call his mother a liar.

I said mothers will say things to protect their children, that includes lying in an attempt to influence what kind of sentence he gets and where he serves it. The brothers statement that Shaheed is not mentally ill MIGHT be indicative of this.

And brothers (or men in general) won't lie to protect their family from an unwanted stigma?

Depends what's at stake.

Insanity is a huge stigma, especially for religious conservative families and especially for men. I'll grant a mother can lie to protect her son, but I don't see why she would lie about that because there is still the stigma to deal with.

Stigma might be viewed as the lesser of two evils if incarceration for life or the death penalty are involved. I neither know nor care.
And now I think it's time to stop SPECULATING about why the mother and brother have opposing views on Shahheds mental status since we don't have the answers yet. The psyche evaluation will be interesting. He might be a mental Muslim, after all . Peace.

 

[bripat9643]

And yet you can't come up with another option. Please, by all means, provide your option so we can discuss it.

Actually there are two more options, at least. Get that brain working, witchy, I can wait

And STILL you won't provide any. Since there are so many, provide at least one. Dance, dance, dodge, dodge...but not options.

Not my fault your brain doesn't work, sea witch. Is Nigeria still 'a Christian country'? Lol

Yes. 4th. Christianity by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But changing the subject won't help you. You said there were more than two options, more even than three. Provide some and stop dodging.

1. 
   An 18 December 2012 report on religion and public life by the Pew Research Center stated that in 2010, 49.3 percent of Nigeria's population was Christian, 48.8 percent was Muslim, and 1.9 percent were followers of indigenous and other religions, or unaffiliated.

Any thoughts on the other options yet, sea witchy?

I think by now the Muslims have slaughtered at least half the Christians, so Coyote's figures may now be correct.

 

[bripat9643]

Masjid

Masjid Mujahideen.
Interesting name for a mosque:

mu·ja·hid
(mo͞o-jä′hĭd′)
n. pl. mu·ja·hi·deen or mu·ja·hi·din (mo͞o-jä′hĕ-dēn′)
One engaged in a jihad, especially as a guerrilla warrior.

.
Interesting name for a mosque:

mu·ja·hid
(mo͞o-jä′hĭd′)
n. pl. mu·ja·hi·deen or mu·ja·hi·din (mo͞o-jä′hĕ-dēn′)
One engaged in a jihad, especially as a guerrilla warrior.

masjid

Jihad (English pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ jihād[dʒiˈhæːd]) is an Islamic term referring to the religious duty of Muslims to maintain the religion. In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning the act of "striving, applying oneself, struggling, persevering".[1] A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural of which is mujahideen (مجاهدين).

Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muslims[6] and scholars do not all agree on its definition. Many observers—both Muslim[7] and non-Muslim[8]—as well as the Dictionary of Islam,[3] talk of jihad having two meanings: an inner spiritual struggle (the "greater jihad"), and an outer physical struggle against the enemies of Islam (the "lesser jihad")[3][9] which may take a violent or non-violent form.[1][10] Jihad is often translated as "Holy War",[11][12][13] although this term is controversial.[14][15] According to orientalist Bernard Lewis, "the overwhelming majority of classical theologians, jurists", and specialists in the hadith "understood the obligation of jihad in a military sense."[16] Javed Ahmad Ghamidi states that there is consensus among Islamic scholars that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against wrong doers.[17]

Jihad, routinely translated as "holy war," often makes headlines. For example, Yasir Arafat's May 1994 call in Johannesburg for a "jihad to liberate Jerusalem"1 was a turning point in the peace process; Israelis heard him speak about using violence to gain political ends and questioned his peaceable intentions. Both Arafat himself and his aides then clarified that he was speaking about a "peaceful jihad" for Jerusalem.

This incident points to the problem with the word jihad: what exactly does it mean? Two examples from leading American Muslim organizations, both fundamentalist, show the extent of disagreement this issue inspires. The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington-based group, flatly states that jihad "does not mean 'holy war.'" Rather, it refers to "a central and broad Islamic concept that includes the struggle to improve the quality of life in society, struggle in the battlefield for self-defense . . . or fighting against tyranny or oppression." CAIR even asserts that Islam knows no such concept as "holy war."4 In abrupt contrast, the Muslim Students Association recently distributed an item with a Kashmir dateline, "Diary of a Mujahid." in which jihad clearly means warfare.

What Does Jihad Mean?

CAIR is the lobbying arm of HAMAS and is notorious for its dishonesty. Muslims, in general, are dishonest in their dealings with infidels like us. You can't believe a word they say.

 

[Flopper]

Masjid

Masjid Mujahideen.
Interesting name for a mosque:

mu·ja·hid
(mo͞o-jä′hĭd′)
n. pl. mu·ja·hi·deen or mu·ja·hi·din (mo͞o-jä′hĕ-dēn′)
One engaged in a jihad, especially as a guerrilla warrior.

.
Interesting name for a mosque:

mu·ja·hid
(mo͞o-jä′hĭd′)
n. pl. mu·ja·hi·deen or mu·ja·hi·din (mo͞o-jä′hĕ-dēn′)
One engaged in a jihad, especially as a guerrilla warrior.

masjid

Jihad (English pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ jihād[dʒiˈhæːd]) is an Islamic term referring to the religious duty of Muslims to maintain the religion. In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning the act of "striving, applying oneself, struggling, persevering".[1] A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural of which is mujahideen (مجاهدين).

Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muslims[6] and scholars do not all agree on its definition. Many observers—both Muslim[7] and non-Muslim[8]—as well as the Dictionary of Islam,[3] talk of jihad having two meanings: an inner spiritual struggle (the "greater jihad"), and an outer physical struggle against the enemies of Islam (the "lesser jihad")[3][9] which may take a violent or non-violent form.[1][10] Jihad is often translated as "Holy War",[11][12][13] although this term is controversial.[14][15] According to orientalist Bernard Lewis, "the overwhelming majority of classical theologians, jurists", and specialists in the hadith "understood the obligation of jihad in a military sense."[16] Javed Ahmad Ghamidi states that there is consensus among Islamic scholars that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against wrong doers.[17]

Jihad, routinely translated as "holy war," often makes headlines. For example, Yasir Arafat's May 1994 call in Johannesburg for a "jihad to liberate Jerusalem"1 was a turning point in the peace process; Israelis heard him speak about using violence to gain political ends and questioned his peaceable intentions. Both Arafat himself and his aides then clarified that he was speaking about a "peaceful jihad" for Jerusalem.

This incident points to the problem with the word jihad: what exactly does it mean? Two examples from leading American Muslim organizations, both fundamentalist, show the extent of disagreement this issue inspires. The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington-based group, flatly states that jihad "does not mean 'holy war.'" Rather, it refers to "a central and broad Islamic concept that includes the struggle to improve the quality of life in society, struggle in the battlefield for self-defense . . . or fighting against tyranny or oppression." CAIR even asserts that Islam knows no such concept as "holy war."4 In abrupt contrast, the Muslim Students Association recently distributed an item with a Kashmir dateline, "Diary of a Mujahid." in which jihad clearly means warfare.

What Does Jihad Mean?

CAIR is the lobbying arm of HAMAS and is notorious for its dishonesty. Muslims, in general, are dishonest in their dealings with infidels like us. You can't believe a word they say.

And that is the point. Two fundamentalist groups have widely differing definitions of Jihad. The article is from the Middle East Quarterly whose purpose is to promotes American interests in the Middle East and protects Western values from Middle Eastern threats. It's forum emphasizes the danger of lawful Islamism; protects the freedoms of anti-Islamist authors, activists, and publishers; and works to improve Middle East studies. In other words, an anti-Islamic organization.

 

[Seawytch]

Sea witchy:
1. This individual is not representative of Islam or of Muslims
2. This individual is representative of Islam and all Muslims*

Ok, hard of thinking, here's number 3, now see if you can get that ole brain working, cos I'm not spoon feeding you here:

3. This individual is representative of Islam but not of all Muslims.

Hey, I like it. Using your "logic", the cop killers are representative of the Tea Party, but not all Tea Partiers. Fred Phelps and the Planned Parenthood terrorist are representative of Christianity, but not all Christians.

Awesome!

 

[Tilly]

Sea witchy:
1. This individual is not representative of Islam or of Muslims
2. This individual is representative of Islam and all Muslims*

Ok, hard of thinking, here's number 3, now see if you can get that ole brain working, cos I'm not spoon feeding you here:

3. This individual is representative of Islam but not of all Muslims.

Hey, I like it. Using your "logic", the cop killers are representative of the Tea Party, but not all Tea Partiers. Fred Phelps and the Planned Parenthood terrorist are representative of Christianity, but not all Christians.

Awesome!

Happy to oblige

 

[Seawytch]

Insufficient information in that article but enough information to make a reasonable conclusion.

So,you're concluding she's mentally ill in the absence of a diagnosis form a qualified psychiatrist?

Yup.

Just like you're concluding this guy did it for his religion - in absence of any authorative statements from a religious expert.

Shaheed stated he did it for his religion. Far be it for me to call him a liar.

Again, so what? Does that mean, by that individuals statement and actions, that he represents Islam, yes or no?

No one claimed he "represents" his religion. That's a straw man.

Seven posts up from yours, Tilly did just that. In the name of Islam | Page 38 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Tilly]

So,you're concluding she's mentally ill in the absence of a diagnosis form a qualified psychiatrist?

Yup.

Just like you're concluding this guy did it for his religion - in absence of any authorative statements from a religious expert.

Shaheed stated he did it for his religion. Far be it for me to call him a liar.

Again, so what? Does that mean, by that individuals statement and actions, that he represents Islam, yes or no?

No one claimed he "represents" his religion. That's a straw man.

Seven posts up from yours, Tilly did just that. In the name of Islam | Page 38 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Actually I just added an option to your incomplete list. I didn't say I agree with either of them. Not very bright, are you?

 

[Seawytch]

Yup.

Just like you're concluding this guy did it for his religion - in absence of any authorative statements from a religious expert.

Shaheed stated he did it for his religion. Far be it for me to call him a liar.

Again, so what? Does that mean, by that individuals statement and actions, that he represents Islam, yes or no?

No one claimed he "represents" his religion. That's a straw man.

Seven posts up from yours, Tilly did just that. In the name of Islam | Page 38 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Actually I just added an option to your incomplete list. I didn't say I agree with either of them. Not very bright, are you?

Either of which? You didn't agree with mine or you don't agree with your own addition that said he was representative of Islam but not of all Muslims?

 

[Tilly]

Shaheed stated he did it for his religion. Far be it for me to call him a liar.

Again, so what? Does that mean, by that individuals statement and actions, that he represents Islam, yes or no?

No one claimed he "represents" his religion. That's a straw man.

Seven posts up from yours, Tilly did just that. In the name of Islam | Page 38 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Actually I just added an option to your incomplete list. I didn't say I agree with either of them. Not very bright, are you?

Either of which? You didn't agree with mine or you don't agree with your own addition that said he was representative of Islam but not of all Muslims?

Is English not your first language?

 

[Seawytch]

Again, so what? Does that mean, by that individuals statement and actions, that he represents Islam, yes or no?

No one claimed he "represents" his religion. That's a straw man.

Seven posts up from yours, Tilly did just that. In the name of Islam | Page 38 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Actually I just added an option to your incomplete list. I didn't say I agree with either of them. Not very bright, are you?

Either of which? You didn't agree with mine or you don't agree with your own addition that said he was representative of Islam but not of all Muslims?

Is English not your first language?

Do you agree with our own addition to the list or not? Do we get to say that the cop killers are representative of the Tea Party and Fred Phelps is representative of Christianity or not? This is YOUR logic we are employing.

 

[Tilly]

No one claimed he "represents" his religion. That's a straw man.

Seven posts up from yours, Tilly did just that. In the name of Islam | Page 38 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Actually I just added an option to your incomplete list. I didn't say I agree with either of them. Not very bright, are you?

Either of which? You didn't agree with mine or you don't agree with your own addition that said he was representative of Islam but not of all Muslims?

Is English not your first language?

Do you agree with our own addition to the list or not? Do we get to say that the cop killers are representative of the Tea Party and Fred Phelps is representative of Christianity or not? This is YOUR logic we are employing.

If you are asking me for my opinion, you'll have to do so with a little more grace and a lot less pig

 

[Seawytch]

Seven posts up from yours, Tilly did just that. In the name of Islam | Page 38 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Actually I just added an option to your incomplete list. I didn't say I agree with either of them. Not very bright, are you?

Either of which? You didn't agree with mine or you don't agree with your own addition that said he was representative of Islam but not of all Muslims?

Is English not your first language?

Do you agree with our own addition to the list or not? Do we get to say that the cop killers are representative of the Tea Party and Fred Phelps is representative of Christianity or not? This is YOUR logic we are employing.

If you are asking me for my opinion, you'll have to do so with a little more grace and a lot less pig

I've been asking. Quite nicely I might add. You resorted to ad hominem attacks, not me.

Is THIS individual representative of Islam in YOUR opinion, yes or no?