In the name of Islam

[Coyote]

Mental illness has nothing to do with it until they have been diagnosed as mentally ill. Get it yet?

Reasonable assumptions can be made on mental illness based on behavior and statements. Is it definitive? No. But it's reasonable. (unless it's a Muslim right?)

Let me guess: He's obviously mentally ill because he shot a cop. Is that your theory?

Nope. Read the thread.

I've already read every post. What is the basis of your belief that he's mentally ill?

Cos his mommy said so.
However, his brother said he is not mentally ill.
There is no diagnosis.
He attends mosque, but coyote was implying he is not a Muslim by stating as a fact that he does not attend the mosque. Here's her 'FACTS' based upon the above.

Coyote: 'The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque.'

At least you quit pretending that you take both the mother's and brother's statements equally. And no, I never said he was not a Muslim, it was what the early news accounts said about him. But feel free to make shit up.

 

[Tilly]

Coyote: "The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque."

This is your statement. You present your musings as undeniable facts. And you did so over and over. You are either dishonest or stupid.

According to his mother he heard voices. That is a source backing up my "musings" if you require a statement by a qualified psychiatrist that is your perogative but this is just a messageboard where people (like you and I) post our opinions. People that hear voices are generally mentally ill. The third part, about the mosque - I said twice and admitted error when another accounting was posted where the Imam recognized him under his muslim name.

So...I'm not sure what you mean by "over and over" but you seem to think (like with a mosque) mentioning something twice is "over and over".

Hyperbole much or just general dishonesty?

You didn't say his mother claims he is mentally ill, you stated categorically as fact:
'The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque.'
You need to learn how to post honestly instead of posting to deceive. You're supposed to be an admin and you operate under such low standards. Sort yourself out instead of trying to defend the indefensible ad nauseum.

 

[Seawytch]

Ah, you can't actually provide a number three so you decide to go with ad hominem attacks. That takes some real brilliance.

You've got a small minded outlook and can only identify 2 options. What do you expect me to think of you? Lol

And yet you can't come up with another option. Please, by all means, provide your option so we can discuss it.

Actually there are two more options, at least. Get that brain working, witchy, I can wait

And STILL you won't provide any. Since there are so many, provide at least one. Dance, dance, dodge, dodge...but not options.

Not my fault your brain doesn't work, sea witch. Is Nigeria still 'a Christian country'? Lol

Yes. 4th. Christianity by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But changing the subject won't help you. You said there were more than two options, more even than three. Provide some and stop dodging.

 

[Tilly]

Reasonable assumptions can be made on mental illness based on behavior and statements. Is it definitive? No. But it's reasonable. (unless it's a Muslim right?)

Let me guess: He's obviously mentally ill because he shot a cop. Is that your theory?

Nope. Read the thread.

I've already read every post. What is the basis of your belief that he's mentally ill?

Cos his mommy said so.
However, his brother said he is not mentally ill.
There is no diagnosis.
He attends mosque, but coyote was implying he is not a Muslim by stating as a fact that he does not attend the mosque. Here's her 'FACTS' based upon the above.

Coyote: 'The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque.'

At least you quit pretending that you take both the mother's and brother's statements equally. And no, I never said he was not a Muslim, it was what the early news accounts said about him. But feel free to make shit up.

The mother and brothers statements cancel each other out, and are thus useless at this time. Get it yet? Gee, you are dumb as a box of rocks. You implied he was not a Muslim by saying he did not attend a mosque.
You stated all the above as though they are established facts. Your bad. Try to post with some integrity in the future.

 

[Coyote]

Coyote: "The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque."

This is your statement. You present your musings as undeniable facts. And you did so over and over. You are either dishonest or stupid.

According to his mother he heard voices. That is a source backing up my "musings" if you require a statement by a qualified psychiatrist that is your perogative but this is just a messageboard where people (like you and I) post our opinions. People that hear voices are generally mentally ill. The third part, about the mosque - I said twice and admitted error when another accounting was posted where the Imam recognized him under his muslim name.

So...I'm not sure what you mean by "over and over" but you seem to think (like with a mosque) mentioning something twice is "over and over".

Hyperbole much or just general dishonesty?

You didn't say his mother claims he is mentally ill, you stated categorically as fact:
'The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque.'
You need to learn how to post honestly instead of posting to deceive. You're supposed to be an admin and you operate under such low standards. Sort yourself out instead of trying to defend the indefensible ad nauseum.

I post as a member Tilly, and if you want to start telling people how to post more "honestly" I suggest you set an example. I post opinions - like you. If I post facts, I try to back them up with sources. (unlike you).

You say he is probably not mentally ill and did it for religion.
I say he is probably mentally ill and did it for religion.
Religion attracts mental illness - and that claim, I supported with an article.

 

[Seawytch]

"Jesus told me to drown my kid"....so she did.

Personally, I think she was mentally ill. But if you want to insist it was religion, that's your choice.

Was she diagnosed with a mental illness?

Insufficient information in that article but enough information to make a reasonable conclusion.

So,you're concluding she's mentally ill in the absence of a diagnosis form a qualified psychiatrist?

Yup.

Just like you're concluding this guy did it for his religion - in absence of any authorative statements from a religious expert.

Shaheed stated he did it for his religion. Far be it for me to call him a liar.

Again, so what? Does that mean, by that individuals statement and actions, that he represents Islam, yes or no?

 

[Tilly]

You've got a small minded outlook and can only identify 2 options. What do you expect me to think of you? Lol

And yet you can't come up with another option. Please, by all means, provide your option so we can discuss it.

Actually there are two more options, at least. Get that brain working, witchy, I can wait

And STILL you won't provide any. Since there are so many, provide at least one. Dance, dance, dodge, dodge...but not options.

Not my fault your brain doesn't work, sea witch. Is Nigeria still 'a Christian country'? Lol

Yes. 4th. Christianity by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But changing the subject won't help you. You said there were more than two options, more even than three. Provide some and stop dodging.

1. 
   An 18 December 2012 report on religion and public life by the Pew Research Center stated that in 2010, 49.3 percent of Nigeria's population was Christian, 48.8 percent was Muslim, and 1.9 percent were followers of indigenous and other religions, or unaffiliated.

Any thoughts on the other options yet, sea witchy?

 

[Coyote]

"Jesus told me to drown my kid"....so she did.

Personally, I think she was mentally ill. But if you want to insist it was religion, that's your choice.

Was she diagnosed with a mental illness?

Insufficient information in that article but enough information to make a reasonable conclusion.

So,you're concluding she's mentally ill in the absence of a diagnosis form a qualified psychiatrist?

Yup.

Just like you're concluding this guy did it for his religion - in absence of any authorative statements from a religious expert.

Shaheed stated he did it for his religion. Far be it for me to call him a liar.

Oh. But you'll call his mother a liar.

 

[Tilly]

Coyote: "The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque."

This is your statement. You present your musings as undeniable facts. And you did so over and over. You are either dishonest or stupid.

According to his mother he heard voices. That is a source backing up my "musings" if you require a statement by a qualified psychiatrist that is your perogative but this is just a messageboard where people (like you and I) post our opinions. People that hear voices are generally mentally ill. The third part, about the mosque - I said twice and admitted error when another accounting was posted where the Imam recognized him under his muslim name.

So...I'm not sure what you mean by "over and over" but you seem to think (like with a mosque) mentioning something twice is "over and over".

Hyperbole much or just general dishonesty?

You didn't say his mother claims he is mentally ill, you stated categorically as fact:
'The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque.'
You need to learn how to post honestly instead of posting to deceive. You're supposed to be an admin and you operate under such low standards. Sort yourself out instead of trying to defend the indefensible ad nauseum.

I post as a member Tilly, and if you want to start telling people how to post more "honestly" I suggest you set an example. I post opinions - like you. If I post facts, I try to back them up with sources. (unlike you).

You say he is probably not mentally ill and did it for religion.
I say he is probably mentally ill and did it for religion.
Religion attracts mental illness - and that claim, I supported with an article.

I have never said he's not mentally ill, I've said we don't know that and won't know that until he has been evaluated, not by you, not by his mommy and not by his brother, but by a qualified psychiatrist. YOU STATED that he is mentally ill. HE supplied his motivation for his actions - ISLAM - and I see no reason to doubt him nor call him a liar. How many posts will it take until you stop lying and misrepresenting what I am posting? Get a grip of yourself gal <<<<< coyote

 

[Tilly]

Was she diagnosed with a mental illness?

Insufficient information in that article but enough information to make a reasonable conclusion.

So,you're concluding she's mentally ill in the absence of a diagnosis form a qualified psychiatrist?

Yup.

Just like you're concluding this guy did it for his religion - in absence of any authorative statements from a religious expert.

Shaheed stated he did it for his religion. Far be it for me to call him a liar.

Oh. But you'll call his mother a liar.

I said mothers will say things to protect their children, that includes lying in an attempt to influence what kind of sentence he gets and where he serves it. The brothers statement that Shaheed is not mentally ill MIGHT be indicative of this.

 

[Seawytch]

And yet you can't come up with another option. Please, by all means, provide your option so we can discuss it.

Actually there are two more options, at least. Get that brain working, witchy, I can wait

And STILL you won't provide any. Since there are so many, provide at least one. Dance, dance, dodge, dodge...but not options.

Not my fault your brain doesn't work, sea witch. Is Nigeria still 'a Christian country'? Lol

Yes. 4th. Christianity by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But changing the subject won't help you. You said there were more than two options, more even than three. Provide some and stop dodging.

1. 
   An 18 December 2012 report on religion and public life by the Pew Research Center stated that in 2010, 49.3 percent of Nigeria's population was Christian, 48.8 percent was Muslim, and 1.9 percent were followers of indigenous and other religions, or unaffiliated.

Any thoughts on the other options yet, sea witchy?

Your need to deflect from your failure to provide any options is getting pathetic.

Religion in Nigeria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nigeria, the largest African country by population (over 182 million in 2015),[2] is nearly equally divided between Christianity and Islam though the exact ratio is uncertain. The majority of Nigerian Muslims are Sunni and are concentrated in the northern area of the country, while Christians dominate in the Middle Belt and south. The Pew Forum in a 2010 report compared reports from several sources.[3] The 1963 Nigerian census found that 36% of the population was Christian, 48% Muslim, and 16% other; the 2008 MEASURE Demographic and Health Survey (DHS) found 53% Christian, 45% Muslim, and 2% other; the 2008 Afrobarometer poll found 56% Christian, 43% Muslim, and 1% other; Pew's own survey found 46% Christian, 52% Muslim, and 1% other.[3][4][5]

What other options? None? Come on Tilly, you said there were more than two options. You even said more than three...so give me a third option and stop obfuscating.

 

[Coyote]

Insufficient information in that article but enough information to make a reasonable conclusion.

So,you're concluding she's mentally ill in the absence of a diagnosis form a qualified psychiatrist?

Yup.

Just like you're concluding this guy did it for his religion - in absence of any authorative statements from a religious expert.

Shaheed stated he did it for his religion. Far be it for me to call him a liar.

Oh. But you'll call his mother a liar.

I said mothers will say things to protect their children, that includes lying in an attempt to influence what kind of sentence he gets and where he serves it. The brothers statement that Shaheed is not mentally ill MIGHT be indicative of this.

And brothers (or men in general) won't lie to protect their family from an unwanted stigma?

 

[Tilly]

Sea witchy:
1. This individual is not representative of Islam or of Muslims
2. This individual is representative of Islam and all Muslims*

Ok, hard of thinking, here's number 3, now see if you can get that ole brain working, cos I'm not spoon feeding you here:

3. This individual is representative of Islam but not of all Muslims.

 

[Coyote]

Coyote: "The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque."

This is your statement. You present your musings as undeniable facts. And you did so over and over. You are either dishonest or stupid.

According to his mother he heard voices. That is a source backing up my "musings" if you require a statement by a qualified psychiatrist that is your perogative but this is just a messageboard where people (like you and I) post our opinions. People that hear voices are generally mentally ill. The third part, about the mosque - I said twice and admitted error when another accounting was posted where the Imam recognized him under his muslim name.

So...I'm not sure what you mean by "over and over" but you seem to think (like with a mosque) mentioning something twice is "over and over".

Hyperbole much or just general dishonesty?

You didn't say his mother claims he is mentally ill, you stated categorically as fact:
'The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque.'
You need to learn how to post honestly instead of posting to deceive. You're supposed to be an admin and you operate under such low standards. Sort yourself out instead of trying to defend the indefensible ad nauseum.

I post as a member Tilly, and if you want to start telling people how to post more "honestly" I suggest you set an example. I post opinions - like you. If I post facts, I try to back them up with sources. (unlike you).

You say he is probably not mentally ill and did it for religion.
I say he is probably mentally ill and did it for religion.
Religion attracts mental illness - and that claim, I supported with an article.

I have never said he's not mentally ill, I've said we don't know that and won't know that until he has been evaluated, not by you, not by his mommy and not by his brother, but by a qualified psychiatrist. YOU STATED that he is mentally ill. HE supplied his motivation for his actions - ISLAM - and I see no reason to doubt him nor call him a liar. How many posts will it take until you stop lying and misrepresenting what I am posting? Get a grip of yourself gal <<<<< coyote

- misrepresenting? Isn't that exactly what you are doing?

 

[Flopper]

Masjid

Masjid Mujahideen.
Interesting name for a mosque:

mu·ja·hid
(mo͞o-jä′hĭd′)
n. pl. mu·ja·hi·deen or mu·ja·hi·din (mo͞o-jä′hĕ-dēn′)
One engaged in a jihad, especially as a guerrilla warrior.

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Interesting name for a mosque:

mu·ja·hid
(mo͞o-jä′hĭd′)
n. pl. mu·ja·hi·deen or mu·ja·hi·din (mo͞o-jä′hĕ-dēn′)
One engaged in a jihad, especially as a guerrilla warrior.

masjid

Jihad (English pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ jihād[dʒiˈhæːd]) is an Islamic term referring to the religious duty of Muslims to maintain the religion. In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning the act of "striving, applying oneself, struggling, persevering".[1] A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural of which is mujahideen (مجاهدين).

Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muslims[6] and scholars do not all agree on its definition. Many observers—both Muslim[7] and non-Muslim[8]—as well as the Dictionary of Islam,[3] talk of jihad having two meanings: an inner spiritual struggle (the "greater jihad"), and an outer physical struggle against the enemies of Islam (the "lesser jihad")[3][9] which may take a violent or non-violent form.[1][10] Jihad is often translated as "Holy War",[11][12][13] although this term is controversial.[14][15] According to orientalist Bernard Lewis, "the overwhelming majority of classical theologians, jurists", and specialists in the hadith "understood the obligation of jihad in a military sense."[16] Javed Ahmad Ghamidi states that there is consensus among Islamic scholars that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against wrong doers.[17]

Jihad, routinely translated as "holy war," often makes headlines. For example, Yasir Arafat's May 1994 call in Johannesburg for a "jihad to liberate Jerusalem"1 was a turning point in the peace process; Israelis heard him speak about using violence to gain political ends and questioned his peaceable intentions. Both Arafat himself and his aides then clarified that he was speaking about a "peaceful jihad" for Jerusalem.

This incident points to the problem with the word jihad: what exactly does it mean? Two examples from leading American Muslim organizations, both fundamentalist, show the extent of disagreement this issue inspires. The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington-based group, flatly states that jihad "does not mean 'holy war.'" Rather, it refers to "a central and broad Islamic concept that includes the struggle to improve the quality of life in society, struggle in the battlefield for self-defense . . . or fighting against tyranny or oppression." CAIR even asserts that Islam knows no such concept as "holy war."4 In abrupt contrast, the Muslim Students Association recently distributed an item with a Kashmir dateline, "Diary of a Mujahid." in which jihad clearly means warfare.

What Does Jihad Mean?

 

[Tilly]

So,you're concluding she's mentally ill in the absence of a diagnosis form a qualified psychiatrist?

Yup.

Just like you're concluding this guy did it for his religion - in absence of any authorative statements from a religious expert.

Shaheed stated he did it for his religion. Far be it for me to call him a liar.

Oh. But you'll call his mother a liar.

I said mothers will say things to protect their children, that includes lying in an attempt to influence what kind of sentence he gets and where he serves it. The brothers statement that Shaheed is not mentally ill MIGHT be indicative of this.

And brothers (or men in general) won't lie to protect their family from an unwanted stigma?

Depends what's at stake.

 

[Tilly]

Coyote: "The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque."

This is your statement. You present your musings as undeniable facts. And you did so over and over. You are either dishonest or stupid.

According to his mother he heard voices. That is a source backing up my "musings" if you require a statement by a qualified psychiatrist that is your perogative but this is just a messageboard where people (like you and I) post our opinions. People that hear voices are generally mentally ill. The third part, about the mosque - I said twice and admitted error when another accounting was posted where the Imam recognized him under his muslim name.

So...I'm not sure what you mean by "over and over" but you seem to think (like with a mosque) mentioning something twice is "over and over".

Hyperbole much or just general dishonesty?

You didn't say his mother claims he is mentally ill, you stated categorically as fact:
'The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque.'
You need to learn how to post honestly instead of posting to deceive. You're supposed to be an admin and you operate under such low standards. Sort yourself out instead of trying to defend the indefensible ad nauseum.

I post as a member Tilly, and if you want to start telling people how to post more "honestly" I suggest you set an example. I post opinions - like you. If I post facts, I try to back them up with sources. (unlike you).

You say he is probably not mentally ill and did it for religion.
I say he is probably mentally ill and did it for religion.
Religion attracts mental illness - and that claim, I supported with an article.

I have never said he's not mentally ill, I've said we don't know that and won't know that until he has been evaluated, not by you, not by his mommy and not by his brother, but by a qualified psychiatrist. YOU STATED that he is mentally ill. HE supplied his motivation for his actions - ISLAM - and I see no reason to doubt him nor call him a liar. How many posts will it take until you stop lying and misrepresenting what I am posting? Get a grip of yourself gal <<<<< coyote

- misrepresenting? Isn't that exactly what you are doing?

No, I quote YOUR words, dreary.
Hard to misrepresent this:

Coyote: "The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque."

 

[Coyote]

Yup.

Just like you're concluding this guy did it for his religion - in absence of any authorative statements from a religious expert.

Shaheed stated he did it for his religion. Far be it for me to call him a liar.

Oh. But you'll call his mother a liar.

I said mothers will say things to protect their children, that includes lying in an attempt to influence what kind of sentence he gets and where he serves it. The brothers statement that Shaheed is not mentally ill MIGHT be indicative of this.

And brothers (or men in general) won't lie to protect their family from an unwanted stigma?

Depends what's at stake.

Insanity is a huge stigma, especially for religious conservative families and especially for men. I'll grant a mother can lie to protect her son, but I don't see why she would lie about that because there is still the stigma to deal with.

 

[Coyote]

According to his mother he heard voices. That is a source backing up my "musings" if you require a statement by a qualified psychiatrist that is your perogative but this is just a messageboard where people (like you and I) post our opinions. People that hear voices are generally mentally ill. The third part, about the mosque - I said twice and admitted error when another accounting was posted where the Imam recognized him under his muslim name.

So...I'm not sure what you mean by "over and over" but you seem to think (like with a mosque) mentioning something twice is "over and over".

Hyperbole much or just general dishonesty?

You didn't say his mother claims he is mentally ill, you stated categorically as fact:
'The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque.'
You need to learn how to post honestly instead of posting to deceive. You're supposed to be an admin and you operate under such low standards. Sort yourself out instead of trying to defend the indefensible ad nauseum.

I post as a member Tilly, and if you want to start telling people how to post more "honestly" I suggest you set an example. I post opinions - like you. If I post facts, I try to back them up with sources. (unlike you).

You say he is probably not mentally ill and did it for religion.
I say he is probably mentally ill and did it for religion.
Religion attracts mental illness - and that claim, I supported with an article.

I have never said he's not mentally ill, I've said we don't know that and won't know that until he has been evaluated, not by you, not by his mommy and not by his brother, but by a qualified psychiatrist. YOU STATED that he is mentally ill. HE supplied his motivation for his actions - ISLAM - and I see no reason to doubt him nor call him a liar. How many posts will it take until you stop lying and misrepresenting what I am posting? Get a grip of yourself gal <<<<< coyote

- misrepresenting? Isn't that exactly what you are doing?

No, I quote YOUR words, dreary.
Hard to misrepresent this:

Coyote: "The man heard voices. He was mentally ill. He never attended a mosque."

Yes. And each was supported by a news article (at the time) - his mother said he heard voices, I concluded - my opinion - he was mentally ill, and his Imam stated initially he hadn't attended the mosque.

 

[bripat9643]

Was she diagnosed with a mental illness?

Insufficient information in that article but enough information to make a reasonable conclusion.

So,you're concluding she's mentally ill in the absence of a diagnosis form a qualified psychiatrist?

Yup.

Just like you're concluding this guy did it for his religion - in absence of any authorative statements from a religious expert.

Shaheed stated he did it for his religion. Far be it for me to call him a liar.

Again, so what? Does that mean, by that individuals statement and actions, that he represents Islam, yes or no?

No one claimed he "represents" his religion. That's a straw man.