Innocent Man Marcellus Williams Execution in Hands of Supreme Court

[BackAgain]

How? I said the death penalty is wrong, I oppose it!

You are attempting to use facts and logic on stuoidbadbreath.

Can’t possibly work.

 

[bendog]

No, innocent according to DNA.

The dna tests on the knife did not help him. His dna wasn't there, but only the prosecutor's and investigator's was there, and trace dna was not something people worried about in 1998.

DNA testing is not really the "silver bullet" shown on TV. In this guy's case, it appears to neither help nor hurt his case. IF it were up to me, the DP should not apply unless DNA testing cabable of being replicated shows guilt, or there's a clear pattern from testimony by people with no axe to grind.

 

[martybegan]

The dna tests on the knife did not help him. His dna wasn't there, but only the prosecutor's and investigator's was there, and trace dna was not something people worried about in 1998.

DNA testing is not really the "silver bullet" shown on TV. In this guy's case, it appears to neither help nor hurt his case. IF it were up to me, the DP should not apply unless DNA testing cabable of being replicated shows guilt, or there's a clear pattern from testimony by people with no axe to grind.

See my post above. He had items from the woman's house in his trunk, he sold her laptop to some other dude, and he confessed to two other people, confessions that included details the police didn't release to the public.

 

[bendog]

See my post above. He had items from the woman's house in his trunk, he sold her laptop to some other dude, and he confessed to two other people, confessions that included details the police didn't release to the public.

yeah well the girlfriend was not in a hurry to see the cops, and his tale was she sold the laptop. We should not kill people simply cause they're career criminals, but this guy was .... not someone I'd like to greet at my door unless I was armed

But look, factually it's impossible to redo this shit. My state had a rogue prosecutor whose cases are still winding around, and two of his "wins" have seen guys released when DNA really did point to somebody else. But we KNOW fingerprint evidence is NOT definitive, nor are eyewitnesses. So, when in doubt, I say just lock em up till they are too old or dead

 

[martybegan]

yeah well the girlfriend was not in a hurry to see the cops, and his tale was she sold the laptop. We should not kill people simply cause they're career criminals, but this guy was .... not someone I'd like to greet at my door unless I was armed

But look, factually it's impossible to redo this shit. My state had a rogue prosecutor whose cases are still winding around, and two of his "wins" have seen guys released when DNA really did point to somebody else. But we KNOW fingerprint evidence is NOT definitive, nor are eyewitnesses. So, when in doubt, I say just lock em up till they are too old or dead

And how did she get it? Was she the murderer?

Dead woman, her shit in his car and sold by him to another guy.

 

[BackAgain]

Malcolm ExLax declares the convicted murderer “innocent” in his usual propaganda driven racist thread headline.

 

[bendog]

And how did she get it? Was she the murderer?

Dead woman, her shit in his car and sold by him to another guy.

I agree there was no actual evidence he was innocent. Of course, how do I prove I'm innocent. Can't be done. Unless there's new scientific tests someday.

I don't see a valid state interest in killing this guy. He'd been waiting 30 years, so I doubt any current gang guys see a deterrent. The family didn't want it.

But there are women and kids getting raped beaten impregnated and murdered every, and this guy had something like 15 previous crimes.

 

[martybegan]

I agree there was no actual evidence he was innocent. Of course, how do I prove I'm innocent. Can't be done. Unless there's new scientific tests someday.

I don't see a valid state interest in killing this guy. He'd been waiting 30 years, so I doubt any current gang guys see a deterrent. The family didn't want it.

But there are women and kids getting raped beaten impregnated and murdered every, and this guy had something like 15 previous crimes.

Sorry, but stabbing a woman over 43 times seems a perfectly valid reason.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No DNA ever connected Williams to the crime scene. In recent months, a prosecutor in the case said the execution should have been called off,

Marcellus Williams executed in Missouri amid strong innocence claims: 'It is murder'

The execution came despite one of the prosecutors in the case saying that Williams' life should be spared because DNA did not connect him to the case.

www.usatoday.com

I know racist like you know more than the prosecutor.

ONE of the prosecutors said that. I'd bet the rest of the prosecution team didn't feel that way or they would have gone to the press in a united front.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Well of course a boot licker is going to defend an innocent black man being murdered.

There is no evidence that he was innocent and a lot that he was guilty. DNA isn't everything. Lack of proof doesn't mean innocence. I believe that you have stated that because OJ was found not guilty he was innocent of the two murders, so why are you being a hypocrite now saying that the convicted man was innocent? You either believe in a jury verdict system or you don't. You can't pick and choose what verdicts as it suits your political beliefs.

 

[Robert W]

They feel he is innocent because he played th “I’m crazy” game

One convict was executed this morning and now the next to die should be gassed by nitrogen by this time. The first guy was not the killer he used as his defense. The last one killed 3 adult men.

I want all of you devoted to Government to recall who killed both men.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

I wonder if that’s possibly because they commit less crime weeping fool?

No, it's not because Whites commit less crime. It's because:
1) Whites don't get stopped by the police as often.
2) The criminal justice system is biased against Black people from the police on the street all the way to the judges.
3) Many times Blacks will be given tougher sentences than Whites for the same crimes.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

I'm in favor of the death penalty, but it should be fast and sure. Once convicted the criminal should get one appeal to the state supreme court and if that fails be executed immediately. Execution to be completed within sixty days of conviction. No more thirty years on death row at taxpayer's expense while frivolous appeals are made and denied.

If that were to become the law, I'd add ONE rule. If the person who died from the death penalty was later found to be innocent, his family would receive $50 million.
And there have been cases where a death penalty victim was later found to be innocent. This would be a fair compensation.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

This is a case of state sponsored murder.

That is exactly what it was.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

Please display the number of Africans bought to North America during the TransAtlantic slave trade, one of the greatest crimes in human history. Thank you.

 

[airplanemechanic]

If Trump is guilty this man is guilty. Put a needle in his black ass.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Lack of proof doesn't mean innocence.

Well, it does in our Amerika.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No, it's not because Whites commit less crime. It's because:
1) Whites don't get stopped by the police as often.
2) The criminal justice system is biased against Black people from the police on the street all the way to the judges.
3) Many times Blacks will be given tougher sentences than Whites for the same crimes.

1) Crap. When you drive around playing loud music and acting out, anyone will get stopped. Black neighborhoods tend to have a stronger police presence because that's where the majority of the violent crime happens. When I was a teenager in high school, the black leadership of Watts requested the police reduce their presence there. Within six months they wanted all the cops returned plus more.
2)wrong
3) Blacks usually get tougher sentences than whites because they have long criminal records. From what I learned in college taking Law Enforcement classes, first time offenders get identical sentences. When a judge looks at the record of a defendant and sees a constant pattern of criminal behavior, or when the defendant is disrespectful or disdainful towards the proceedings, he awards more severe sentences.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Please display the number of Africans bought to North America during the TransAtlantic slave trade, one of the greatest crimes in human history. Thank you.

The trans-Atlantic slave trade isn't even in the top one hundred crimes of human history. Probably not even in the top one thousand. Just in the twentieth century, you had the Armenian genocide; one million two hundred thousand Armenian men, women and children were sent on death marches across the Syrian desert without food or water subject to unlimited rape and murder by the Ottoman troops "escorting" them. Stalin executed more than ten million Soviet citizens in his death camps, the Japanese killed over six million Chinese CIVILIANS during their invasion of China starting in 1936. In 1975 Pol Pot murdered between 1,500,000 and 2,000,000 Cambodian civilians, that was about twenty five percent of the total population. That's just off the top of my head. You are appallingly ignorant about the inhumanity of man towards his fellows and American slavery centric. The trans-Atlantic slave trade was horrible, but the contemporary trans-Saharan slave trade was far worse and operated on a far larger scale.

 

[g5000]

Do you believe he's innocent, or guilty and deserving the punishment of death by the powerful state?

The current prosecutor wanted Williams' sentence commuted to life.

It's outrageous the old prosecutor's and an investigator's DNA were found on the murder weapon. They should be kicked in the nuts. Hard.

However, that does not exonerate Williams.

The evidence against him was compelling. He had blood on his shirt which he covered up with a jacket belonging to the victim, and the victim's laptop and purse were in the trunk of his car.

He stabbed the woman 43 times.

All that aside, I think our justice system is in serious need of reform. Too many mistakes have been made. Innocent men have been freed from death row, thanks to modern science catching up with DNA analysis.

Because so many men on death row have been found to be completely innocent, I strongly believe there should be a moratorium on executions.

Williams was guilty, but he should have been commuted, not executed.