Is An Assault Rifle Necessary

[protectionist]

Don't be silly. You don't have to have an M16 to legally buy all parts needed to conversion an AR15 full auto, except the Drop In Auto Seer. As you can see in this video, the DIAS is small and not very complicated. You could build one that works with a dremel. The only reason fully automatic conversions aren't everywhere is because of the penalty for being caught. Crooks DO care about the law in this case.

 

[protectionist]

Other than the trigger group and bolt,which are both legally available without any kind of permit, and the deck height, and an auto sear, what is different?

 

[BULLDOG]

Actually any M16 produced after 1986 is illegal for any civilian to own and to get any parts legally one must have a federal permit. So it's not as easy as you think to convert an AR 15 to full auto with M16 parts

Didn't you say crooks don't care about what is legal?

-------------------------------------- no body that know guns think its easy to do an ILLEGAL conversion . Also , you can buy a full operational 'm16' in any Class 3 State Bulldog .

Bullshit. It's a hour job to convert one if you've never done it before. Of course it's illegal, but you've already established that crooks don't care about the law.

--------------------------------------------------- as i said , illegal conversion isn't easy plus its illegal . And class 3 can be bought in class 3 states Bulldog .

Nice try, but you lose.

Why don't you show us how easy it is and then show us how reliably your basement mods will be.

If it was a easy as you say it is then we would be seeing thousands of of illegally modified AR rifles in the hands of criminals[/QUOTE]

See #278

 

[protectionist]

What's not to understand? They had a riot. The police left town. 54 people were killed. If anyone thinks the police will protect you, or your loved ones...Think again.

Thank you for posting an actual ON TOPIC post (in this sea of OFF TOPIC jibberish, which if the mods were on this, they would be deleting about 90% of this thread.)

 

[miketx]

So other than the slight modification to disable the select fire capability, what is the difference between the two?

What you call a "slight modification" is conversion of an ordinary semi-auto weapon into a machine-gun, which easily doubles its lethal potential in a mass-shooting event.

Your question regarding the difference between the two is best answered by the fact that all contemporary armed forces have seen fit to equip their soldiers with full-auto firearm capability. The simple answer is full-auto is substantially more lethal.

The military was presented with lots of guns with full auto options, so that particular feature isn't the reason they chose the M16. Why did they pick that particular weapon, that is essentially a clone of the AR 15?

It doesn't matter what the M16 looks like

There are specific differences in function that make them different rifles.

Other than the trigger group and bolt,which are both legally available without any kind of permit, and the deck height, and an auto sear, what is different?

The bump stock, don't forget that. When congress bans the BStocks, the military will still be able to have them for their M16's.

 

[protectionist]

See #278

How about if instead of that, YOU see Post # 281 and 282 ?

 

[protectionist]

The bump stock, don't forget that. When congress bans the BStocks, the military will still be able to have them for their M16's.

REPORTED To MODS. You were warned.

 

[miketx]

The bump stock, don't forget that. When congress bans the BStocks, the military will still be able to have them for their M16's.

REPORTED To MODS. You were warned.

I was just answering his question nazi. Besides, I already told you we don't have assault rifles, but you keep asking a BS question.

 

[BULLDOG]

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AR 15 Rifle – A Brief History & Historical Time Line

AR 15 Rifle – A Brief History & Historical Time Line

USA -(Ammoland.com)- According to the news media, an AR 15 Rifle is any gun that someone uses in the act of doing something bad.

What is an AR-15 really? Technically speaking, AR-15 is a brand name, like Kleenex or Xerox. And, just as with Kleenex and Xerox, the brand name has been hijacked by the general public to describe a whole class of things.

Who in corporate America asks their intern to “make a photocopy of that document using the Canon copier?” Or at home, few parents tell their kids to “grab a Cottonelle nose cloth before you sneeze!” Exactly. When a brand name is successful, we regular folks tend to commoditize it.

“Hey, will you Xerox the annual report for me?” or “Connor, I’m not telling you again! Don’t blow your nose on your sleeve! Grab a Kleenex!”
The AR in AR 15 Stands for ArmaLite
Before we dive into the history of the modern AR 15 Rifle, we need to look the “AR” part. AR does not stand for Assault Rifle. Or Automatic Rearming. Or even Apoplectic Ruin. It is a product naming convention from the company that invented it, ArmaLite. In fact, there were a number of rifles with “AR” names, like the AR-1, AR-5, AR-7, AR-10, AR-16 and AR-17.

Let’s do a quick review of AR15 Rifle history what got us from conception to where we are today.

1954

Eugene Stoner responsible for early development of the AR 15 rifle.

ArmaLite was founded as a division of Fairchild Engine and Aircraft Corporation. While most people equate the AR 15 Rifle with military variants, the company was actually founded with the goal of developing civilian market guns using modern materials and manufacturing technologies.

The initial business plan called for establishing some success with commercial products, then using that momentum to get into the government and military business.

Eugene Stoner, a former marine and independent weapons designer, becomes Chief Engineer of ArmaLite. Stone meets George Sullivan, Chief Patent Counsel for Lockheed Aircraft Corporation. Sullivan has a super-sized bee in his bonnet about the possibilities of using advanced (at that time) materials like plastics and aluminum alloys in radical new weapons designs. Hold that thought…

1954 – 1956
Plans don’t last long once the action starts… Upon request from the United States Air Force, ArmaLite develops the AR-5 survival rifle. The AR-5 was a modular rifle chambered in .22 Hornet with a four round magazine and bolt action. The receiver and barrel disassemble and can be stored inside of the over-sized stock. This design not only makes the AR-5 waterproof, but also allows it to float. That’s handy for over water ejection scenarios, as downed Air Force pilots were not keen about scuba diving to retrieve their gear. The modern day version of this rifle is the Henry U.S. Survival Rifle made by Henry Rifles.

1955

Armalite AR-5 .22 Hornet Survival Rifle : This “AR” doesn't look much like a mythical “Assault Weapon” does it?

The U.S. Army began a search for a rifle to replace the M1 Garand. While the Garand served admirable in World War II, all that combat use uncovered some areas for improvement. For example, soldiers wanted more magazine capacity than the eight rounds offered by the M1 Garand. Also, weight was an issue, with the M1 tipping the scale at ten and a half pounds. With World War II soldiers carrying their gear for (literally) years at a time, every pound counted.

Front runners in the contest were an updated design based on the M1, the Springfield Armory T-44 and the T-48, which was based on the FAL design.

ArmaLite submits plans for the AR-10 rifle with similar caliber and performance characteristics as the T-44 and T-48. Unlike the others, the AR-10 incorporated radical design changes that allowed use of lightweight aluminum receivers and plastic stocks and hand guards. The key to the design was using a steel barrel extension to lock up the bolt rather than the receiver itself. This allowed use of lighter and less strong materials for receiver construction. The AR-10 weighed less than seven pounds – in theory allowing a solider to carry three extra pounds of ammunition and/or gear.

ArmaLite entered the contest too late in the game to work out new design kinks and ultimately the T-44 was adopted as the M-14 Rifle in 1959. Armalite AR10 Rifle Click here for more AR images
1956
Seeing possibility in the AR-10 design, the Army asks ArmaLite to work on a smaller caliber version to be named the AR 15 Rifle. The project is exploratory, as the military doctrine of the time called for large caliber rifles to be used in engagements at longer distances.

1956 – 1959
ArmaLite sells the AR-10 internationally through a licensing agreement with Artillerie Inrichtingen, the Dutch Arsenal. Not even the Dutch adopt the AR-10 and international sales are light. At this time, ArmaLite is only really selling the AR-5 aquatic survival rifle, so revenue pressures mount.

1959
ArmaLite licenses both the AR-10 and AR 15 designs to Colt Firearms. Robert Fremont, a key player in the design team of the AR-10 and AR 15 Rifle models, leaves ArmaLite for Colt Firearms to help with continued AR rifle development. ArmaLite launches the AR-7 Survival Rifle. The AR-7 was a .22 long rifle caliber rifle targeted at the civilian market, although a number of military organizations around the world bought it.

Colt Firearms sells the first AR 15 rifles to the Federation of Malaya, later to become known as Malaysia.

1961
Eugene Stoner leaves ArmaLite to serve as a consultant to Colt Firearms. At this point, ArmaLite was out of the AR-15 business – for the time being. The United States Air Force tests the AR 15 Rifle and purchases 8,500 rifles.

1963
The Air Force standardizes the AR 15 and designates the rifle M-16. 85,000 rifles are purchased by the Air Force. Also this year, the US Army purchases 85,000 more M-16 rifles.

Colt M16 Semi Automatic Rifle

1965
By this time, the M-16 had become the military’s primary service rifle, with over 300,000 purchased from Colt, now known as Colt's Inc., Firearms Division.

1983
ArmaLite is sold to a Philippine company, Elisco Tool Manufacturing Company.

1987
ArmaLite operations in the US are ended by Elisco Too Manufacturing Company.

1988
Colt loses the government contract to supply M-16 rifles to the military.

1989
Jim Glazier and Karl Lewis of Lewis Machine and Tool Company (LMT), operating a new entity called Eagle Arms, begin producing complete AR-15 rifles for the consumer market. By this time, many of the earlier AR 15 Rifle related patents had expired, thereby opening up the market for complete AR-15 type rifles.

Eagle Arms EA 15 Rifle

1992
Colt, now known as Colt's Manufacturing Company, Inc., enters Chapter 11 Bankruptcy proceedings and a period of litigation.

1994
Mark Westrom purchases Eagle Arms. Colt wins a contract to supply 19,000 M-4 Carbine variants of the M-16 to the US Army and Special Forces Command.

1995
Westrom and Eagle Arms purchase rights to the ArmaLite brand. Within a year, ArmaLite is producing the AR-10B rifle, chambered in .308. During this period, Knight’s Manufacturing produced an AR-10 derivative rifle, the SR-25. Colt wins another contract for 16,000 M-4 Carbines.

Knight Manufacturing SR-25 Rifle

1998
Colt’s wins back the procurement contract for military M-16 rifles with an initial order for 32,000 M-16 rifles. An additional order follows to upgrade 88,000 M-16 A1 rifles to the A2 configuration.

2009 – 2011
With support from the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the term Modern Sporting Rifle gains popularity as a more descriptive name for AR-style rifles.

Racks of new Modern Sporting Rifles. The AR 15 Rifle is well on its way to be America's most popular rifle ever.

AR 15 Rifle Present Day
At last count, 16,973,489,012 companies are making AR-style rifles. Actually, I lost count at just over 12 million, so this number is really more of an estimate. Whatever the actual figure is, it's a lot.

View attachment 178554
The TOPIC is WHY we need assault rifles, not a lecture on rifle history.

My post was a response to a gun nut who said the AR15 had NEVER been used as a military weapon. I provided proof that he was wrong.

 

[miketx]

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AR 15 Rifle – A Brief History & Historical Time Line

AR 15 Rifle – A Brief History & Historical Time Line

USA -(Ammoland.com)- According to the news media, an AR 15 Rifle is any gun that someone uses in the act of doing something bad.

What is an AR-15 really? Technically speaking, AR-15 is a brand name, like Kleenex or Xerox. And, just as with Kleenex and Xerox, the brand name has been hijacked by the general public to describe a whole class of things.

Who in corporate America asks their intern to “make a photocopy of that document using the Canon copier?” Or at home, few parents tell their kids to “grab a Cottonelle nose cloth before you sneeze!” Exactly. When a brand name is successful, we regular folks tend to commoditize it.

“Hey, will you Xerox the annual report for me?” or “Connor, I’m not telling you again! Don’t blow your nose on your sleeve! Grab a Kleenex!”
The AR in AR 15 Stands for ArmaLite
Before we dive into the history of the modern AR 15 Rifle, we need to look the “AR” part. AR does not stand for Assault Rifle. Or Automatic Rearming. Or even Apoplectic Ruin. It is a product naming convention from the company that invented it, ArmaLite. In fact, there were a number of rifles with “AR” names, like the AR-1, AR-5, AR-7, AR-10, AR-16 and AR-17.

Let’s do a quick review of AR15 Rifle history what got us from conception to where we are today.

1954

Eugene Stoner responsible for early development of the AR 15 rifle.

ArmaLite was founded as a division of Fairchild Engine and Aircraft Corporation. While most people equate the AR 15 Rifle with military variants, the company was actually founded with the goal of developing civilian market guns using modern materials and manufacturing technologies.

The initial business plan called for establishing some success with commercial products, then using that momentum to get into the government and military business.

Eugene Stoner, a former marine and independent weapons designer, becomes Chief Engineer of ArmaLite. Stone meets George Sullivan, Chief Patent Counsel for Lockheed Aircraft Corporation. Sullivan has a super-sized bee in his bonnet about the possibilities of using advanced (at that time) materials like plastics and aluminum alloys in radical new weapons designs. Hold that thought…

1954 – 1956
Plans don’t last long once the action starts… Upon request from the United States Air Force, ArmaLite develops the AR-5 survival rifle. The AR-5 was a modular rifle chambered in .22 Hornet with a four round magazine and bolt action. The receiver and barrel disassemble and can be stored inside of the over-sized stock. This design not only makes the AR-5 waterproof, but also allows it to float. That’s handy for over water ejection scenarios, as downed Air Force pilots were not keen about scuba diving to retrieve their gear. The modern day version of this rifle is the Henry U.S. Survival Rifle made by Henry Rifles.

1955

Armalite AR-5 .22 Hornet Survival Rifle : This “AR” doesn't look much like a mythical “Assault Weapon” does it?

The U.S. Army began a search for a rifle to replace the M1 Garand. While the Garand served admirable in World War II, all that combat use uncovered some areas for improvement. For example, soldiers wanted more magazine capacity than the eight rounds offered by the M1 Garand. Also, weight was an issue, with the M1 tipping the scale at ten and a half pounds. With World War II soldiers carrying their gear for (literally) years at a time, every pound counted.

Front runners in the contest were an updated design based on the M1, the Springfield Armory T-44 and the T-48, which was based on the FAL design.

ArmaLite submits plans for the AR-10 rifle with similar caliber and performance characteristics as the T-44 and T-48. Unlike the others, the AR-10 incorporated radical design changes that allowed use of lightweight aluminum receivers and plastic stocks and hand guards. The key to the design was using a steel barrel extension to lock up the bolt rather than the receiver itself. This allowed use of lighter and less strong materials for receiver construction. The AR-10 weighed less than seven pounds – in theory allowing a solider to carry three extra pounds of ammunition and/or gear.

ArmaLite entered the contest too late in the game to work out new design kinks and ultimately the T-44 was adopted as the M-14 Rifle in 1959. Armalite AR10 Rifle Click here for more AR images
1956
Seeing possibility in the AR-10 design, the Army asks ArmaLite to work on a smaller caliber version to be named the AR 15 Rifle. The project is exploratory, as the military doctrine of the time called for large caliber rifles to be used in engagements at longer distances.

1956 – 1959
ArmaLite sells the AR-10 internationally through a licensing agreement with Artillerie Inrichtingen, the Dutch Arsenal. Not even the Dutch adopt the AR-10 and international sales are light. At this time, ArmaLite is only really selling the AR-5 aquatic survival rifle, so revenue pressures mount.

1959
ArmaLite licenses both the AR-10 and AR 15 designs to Colt Firearms. Robert Fremont, a key player in the design team of the AR-10 and AR 15 Rifle models, leaves ArmaLite for Colt Firearms to help with continued AR rifle development. ArmaLite launches the AR-7 Survival Rifle. The AR-7 was a .22 long rifle caliber rifle targeted at the civilian market, although a number of military organizations around the world bought it.

Colt Firearms sells the first AR 15 rifles to the Federation of Malaya, later to become known as Malaysia.

1961
Eugene Stoner leaves ArmaLite to serve as a consultant to Colt Firearms. At this point, ArmaLite was out of the AR-15 business – for the time being. The United States Air Force tests the AR 15 Rifle and purchases 8,500 rifles.

1963
The Air Force standardizes the AR 15 and designates the rifle M-16. 85,000 rifles are purchased by the Air Force. Also this year, the US Army purchases 85,000 more M-16 rifles.

Colt M16 Semi Automatic Rifle

1965
By this time, the M-16 had become the military’s primary service rifle, with over 300,000 purchased from Colt, now known as Colt's Inc., Firearms Division.

1983
ArmaLite is sold to a Philippine company, Elisco Tool Manufacturing Company.

1987
ArmaLite operations in the US are ended by Elisco Too Manufacturing Company.

1988
Colt loses the government contract to supply M-16 rifles to the military.

1989
Jim Glazier and Karl Lewis of Lewis Machine and Tool Company (LMT), operating a new entity called Eagle Arms, begin producing complete AR-15 rifles for the consumer market. By this time, many of the earlier AR 15 Rifle related patents had expired, thereby opening up the market for complete AR-15 type rifles.

Eagle Arms EA 15 Rifle

1992
Colt, now known as Colt's Manufacturing Company, Inc., enters Chapter 11 Bankruptcy proceedings and a period of litigation.

1994
Mark Westrom purchases Eagle Arms. Colt wins a contract to supply 19,000 M-4 Carbine variants of the M-16 to the US Army and Special Forces Command.

1995
Westrom and Eagle Arms purchase rights to the ArmaLite brand. Within a year, ArmaLite is producing the AR-10B rifle, chambered in .308. During this period, Knight’s Manufacturing produced an AR-10 derivative rifle, the SR-25. Colt wins another contract for 16,000 M-4 Carbines.

Knight Manufacturing SR-25 Rifle

1998
Colt’s wins back the procurement contract for military M-16 rifles with an initial order for 32,000 M-16 rifles. An additional order follows to upgrade 88,000 M-16 A1 rifles to the A2 configuration.

2009 – 2011
With support from the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the term Modern Sporting Rifle gains popularity as a more descriptive name for AR-style rifles.

Racks of new Modern Sporting Rifles. The AR 15 Rifle is well on its way to be America's most popular rifle ever.

AR 15 Rifle Present Day
At last count, 16,973,489,012 companies are making AR-style rifles. Actually, I lost count at just over 12 million, so this number is really more of an estimate. Whatever the actual figure is, it's a lot.

View attachment 178554
The TOPIC is WHY we need assault rifles, not a lecture on rifle history.

My post was a response to a gun nut who said the AR15 had NEVER been used as a military weapon. I provided proof that he was wrong.

You provided a media article. Whether or not it proves anything is yet to be seen,

 

[OldLady]

i'm surprised you guys come out from under your beds long enough to post

I find you fuckin retards so humorous. You dont want to be able to protect yourself and your family, you need a corrupt failure of a govt to do it. Thats how ridiculously desperate you are. You are THAT MUCH of a coward. Yet people that want to defend themselves and their family are the scared ones?
You are a complete dipshit.
Go jerk off to cuck porn, faggot

No one is asking to take away your right to protect your family. They just don't feel people need a gun that shoots 180 rounds per minute.

to be fair, the 180 number is "theoretical". you'd need a HUGE extra capacity magazine to hold 180 rounds and the weight alone would make it very difficult to continue firing a "semi-automatic" rifle to get all 180 rounds out.

you can also - in reality - have a revolver (6 shooter) fire 12 rounds in just a few seconds if you practice. the issue gets clouded because people talk about the specs of an AR as if they don't also apply to most guns available today.

i don't disagree on the "look" playing a huge role in their being the weapon of choice but functionally almost any gun can do the same thing if they prepare.

You've been skimming again, haven't you?
Why do civilians need bullets that tear up people's guts like a war weapon? Why do civilians with violent propensities and numerous calls for out of control behavior have the green light to buy guns? Why are mental health services cut over and over by this administration for the sake of "individual freedom?"
There are lots of solutions. Arguing simply about the guns won't solve it. Background checks that actually include the whole red flag background would be a great starting point. Did you know that not all states report criminal histories to NICS? That the military doesn't report DV convictions?
Look into ERPO, at least. Take guns from crazies, one crazy at a time.

You don't know anything about bullets....we had an accidental shooting in our gun community, the brother of a police officer was shot...the 9mm bullet entered under his arm, broke a rib and lodged on the opposite side of his body......all bullets do strange things when they move around a body...

And again......the AR-15 is not a war weapon....it has never been used by the military and has never been used in a war.....ever.

The 6 shot revolver is an actual weapon of war.

The lever action rifle is an actual weapon of war.

The bolt action rifle is a current weapon of war.

The pump action shot gun is a current weapon of war.......

As to preventing people from getting a gun......we already have laws on the books that would have stopped this guy from getting a gun......the cops, the FBI and the school failed to implement them.....how is that the fault of normal gun owners?

Did you know that it is the NRA pushing to get NICS fixes...do you realize that?

Did you know that it is the NRA pushing to get NICS fixes...do you realize that?
Good! Considering how powerful people seem to think they are, it should work, eh?

 

[protectionist]

My post was a response to a gun nut who said the AR15 had NEVER been used as a military weapon. I provided proof that he was wrong.

And in so doing, you were off topic. I've already reported one other poster. You'll be next if you don't get on topic and stay there. If you don't know what the topic is read the OP. It is WHY we need assault guns. Nothing else. Got it ?

 

[protectionist]

Did you know that it is the NRA pushing to get NICS fixes...do you realize that?
Good! Considering how powerful people seem to think they are, it should work, eh?

 

[OldLady]

Show me what in my posts was a lie. I'm open to learning.

Pretty much EVERYTHING you say about guns. Lol. You are completely ignorant on the subject, and it is painfully obvious. I am trying to be kind here.

You just accused me of being a liar. Don't be kind. Choose just one of the lies in my posts here and correct it.

I didn't. I said you were listening to what the lying media was feeding you, and you are and you do.

You aren't lying. You are just very ignorant about guns, and it shows to anyone who knows even a little bit about them. If you have a question about a gun, then you should ask and accept the answers given to you by those who know a lot more about it than you.

An AR-15 is not an assault rifle. It is a semi automatic rifle. It was designed for civilian use. An automatic weapon is a weapon that is automatic (which means it fires in a "burst" of bullets - more than one bullet). If you keep your finger on the trigger, it will keep firing. That is not how a semi automatic works at all. The semi automatic can only fire as fast as you pull the trigger. People don't use automatic weapons much for crimes because they are not very accurate. You cannot really pinpoint a specific target with an automatic weapon. It is more of a spray action weapon for hitting more than one target at a time and isn't as easy to use or control as other weapons.

An assault rifle is a military grade FULLY automatic weapon, intended for military use. Fully automatic weapons ARE banned from general public use for the most part.

Now, why is it that we only hear from you people when there is a lunatic who shoots up a school? Why do you say NOTHING about the people who are dying from being shot with ILLEGAL weapons in the ghettos of our big cities every day?

If you look in Race Relations you'll see I made the same argument yesterday about your last statement.
I'm fully aware of the difference between a full auto and a semi-auto. The term being used today for AR's and their ilk is "assault weapons," so if I used it myself, you know what I meant. With few exceptions, civilians in this country aren't allowed to own machine guns. Arguing over the term is helpful in drafting legislation. We need to know what we're talking about, I agree. However, in conversation, what would you propose I say instead?

It seems to me, for all I'm learning about how guns work, that even crusty old gun owners and military men see a distinction between AR's and a hunting rifle. They know more about it than I do. You trust a doctor to diagnose an illness. Why can't I trust experienced gun owners to know what's what?

My dad owned a .22 rifle and it wasn't an "assault" rifle and it operated in very much the same manner as an AR-15. Have you ever even held a gun before? Have you ever shot a gun before?

What did they teach you about your 2nd amendment rights in school?

You're just repeating general rightwing talking points about guns and not answering any of my actual questions.

 

[BULLDOG]

Don't be silly. You don't have to have an M16 to legally buy all parts needed to conversion an AR15 full auto, except the Drop In Auto Seer. As you can see in this video, the DIAS is small and not very complicated. You could build one that works with a dremel. The only reason fully automatic conversions aren't everywhere is because of the penalty for being caught. Crooks DO care about the law in this case.

View attachment 178569

I was responding to a gun nut's post. Perhaps you should mention staying on subject with him.

 

[protectionist]

You're just repeating general rightwing talking points about guns and not answering any of my actual questions.

You've been REPORTED to Mods. His talking points and your questions are both >>

 

[protectionist]

I was responding to a gun nut's post. Perhaps you should mention staying on subject with him.

I did and he's been reported. You too.

 

[OldLady]

Don't be silly. You don't have to have an M16 to legally buy all parts needed to conversion an AR15 full auto, except the Drop In Auto Seer. As you can see in this video, the DIAS is small and not very complicated. You could build one that works with a dremel. The only reason fully automatic conversions aren't everywhere is because of the penalty for being caught. Crooks DO care about the law in this case.

View attachment 178569

I was responding to a gun nut's post. Perhaps you should mention staying on subject with him.

He's not a liberal, though.

 

[BULLDOG]

See #278

How about if instead of that, YOU see Post # 281 and 282 ?

I read those posts. I respectfully disagree. To decide if we need assault rifles, we first need to define what that means. The AR15 is a military assault rifle.

 

[miketx]

See #278

How about if instead of that, YOU see Post # 281 and 282 ?

I read those posts. I respectfully disagree. To decide if we need assault rifles, we first need to define what that means. The AR15 is a military assault rifle.

It's a semi auto rifle that fires one bullet for each trigger pull. Again you lie.