Is Free Market Capitalism the answer to all our economic woes?

What we have no isn't free trade. "American free trade" today is when you can regulate an economy to death, then outsource to third world shitholes who dump nuclear waste in the community lake and use slaves.
AMERICA
You say that, like there was a time in our economic history when we saw an economic explosion, due to unregulated - or minimally regulated - free market capitalism. When would that have been?
No I didn't. I support protectionism and free markets. I believe there is a time for both.
I have OFTEN brought up the 18-18th century protectionism as a reason for protectionism.
Oh. I misunderstood. I agree. Although I think part of the problem is adapting that protectionist mindset to a 21st century global economy. How do you suggest that could be done?
It cant be. Most people producing info (economists, MSM) are globalists. They don't want America to be great again. They want the world to be great at our expense.
Look at our trade deals. We got less rich while third world shitholes got less poor.
 
I would submit that it is not. When one looks at our economic history, the United States enjoyed its greatest period of growth, not because of unregulated free market capitalism. As Cambridge economist Professor Ha Joon Chang notes, America was the most protectionist country in the world from 1830 up until World War Two. In fact, as Chang outlines in his book 'Bad Samaritans' every industrialized economy on the planet grew astronomically by strictly regulating markets, government investment and the protectionism of key industries through nascent stages of development.

It might also be pointed out that, in modern times, every nation of the EU that adopted free market reforms under IMF 'structural adjustment' policies all failed miserably and poverty actually increased.

Now, don't misunderstand me. That is not to say that I am a supporter of communism, or socialism. Rather, that it seems that a blended version of capitalism, mixed with a healthy dose of governmental oversight is the most effective way to build a thriving economy. Now, for those who submit that they agree, then where do they suggest that the "line" should be drawn? What is "reasonable' government oversight?
From what I've seen of the 'capitalists' on this board, they're not very adept at handling nuance. Mixed in their minds means communism.
 
Oh, so since laissez-faire capitalism isn't perfect, it's not the best.

And for al you "third way" people, this is what has led to the current crony capitalist state of affairs. In a self regulated marketplace, there is no political payola to be had and no regulating competitors out of business.
Again, at what point in our history, can you point to a largely "self-regulated" market, that allowed us to flourish?
 
Freedom, in general, isn't a solution to a problem. It won't necessarily produce better outcomes.
I disagree with that. Freedom = happiness

Sometimes. It's certainly my preference. But I think that libertarians and free-market advocates are making a mistake when they insist that everything will work out better with free markets. Free markets won't necessarily make us safer, smarter or even wealthier. They'll just make us freer. We used to care about that.
Again, I would ask when that was? When did we "used to care about" unregulated (or minimally regulated) economic freedom, and it actually worked out well for us?
See....
 
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It cant be. Most people producing info (economists, MSM) are globalists. They don't want America to be great again. They want the world to be great at our expense.
Look at our trade deals. We got less rich while third world shitholes got less poor.

Not bad for a dumbass....your brain does show some glimmer of hope at times.
lol.gif
 
What we have no isn't free trade. "American free trade" today is when you can regulate an economy to death, then outsource to third world shitholes who dump nuclear waste in the community lake and use slaves.
AMERICA
You say that, like there was a time in our economic history when we saw an economic explosion, due to unregulated - or minimally regulated - free market capitalism. When would that have been?
No I didn't. I support protectionism and free markets. I believe there is a time for both.
I have OFTEN brought up the 18-18th century protectionism as a reason for protectionism.
Oh. I misunderstood. I agree. Although I think part of the problem is adapting that protectionist mindset to a 21st century global economy. How do you suggest that could be done?
It cant be. Most people producing info (economists, MSM) are globalists. They don't want America to be great again. They want the world to be great at our expense.
Look at our trade deals. We got less rich while third world shitholes got less poor.
Okay. Let's back this train up a second, and see if we can agree on a few points.

First, would you, or would you not agree that between shipping technology, and the advent of the internet, we do, in fact, exist in a global economy?
 
Freedom, in general, isn't a solution to a problem. It won't necessarily produce better outcomes.
I disagree with that. Freedom = happiness

Sometimes. It's certainly my preference. But I think that libertarians and free-market advocates are making a mistake when they insist that everything will work out better with free markets. Free markets won't necessarily make us safer, smarter or even wealthier. They'll just make us freer. We used to care about that.
Again, I would ask when that was? When did we "used to care about" unregulated (or minimally regulated) economic freedom, and it actually worked out well for us?
See....
Since you are incapable of anything but snarky shots from the sideline, feel free to fuck off. Off to the ignored trash bin with you.
 
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It cant be. Most people producing info (economists, MSM) are globalists. They don't want America to be great again. They want the world to be great at our expense.
Look at our trade deals. We got less rich while third world shitholes got less poor.

Not bad for a dumbass....your brain does show some glimmer of hope at times.
lol.gif
English? I don't understand welsh :lmao:
 
Freedom, in general, isn't a solution to a problem. It won't necessarily produce better outcomes.
I disagree with that. Freedom = happiness

Sometimes. It's certainly my preference. But I think that libertarians and free-market advocates are making a mistake when they insist that everything will work out better with free markets. Free markets won't necessarily make us safer, smarter or even wealthier. They'll just make us freer. We used to care about that.
Again, I would ask when that was? When did we "used to care about" unregulated (or minimally regulated) economic freedom, and it actually worked out well for us?
See....
Since you are incapable of anything but snarky shots from the sideline, feel free to fuck off. Off to the ignored trash bin with you.
Your surrender is duly noted, and appreciated....
 
What we have no isn't free trade. "American free trade" today is when you can regulate an economy to death, then outsource to third world shitholes who dump nuclear waste in the community lake and use slaves.
AMERICA
You say that, like there was a time in our economic history when we saw an economic explosion, due to unregulated - or minimally regulated - free market capitalism. When would that have been?
No I didn't. I support protectionism and free markets. I believe there is a time for both.
I have OFTEN brought up the 18-18th century protectionism as a reason for protectionism.
Oh. I misunderstood. I agree. Although I think part of the problem is adapting that protectionist mindset to a 21st century global economy. How do you suggest that could be done?
It cant be. Most people producing info (economists, MSM) are globalists. They don't want America to be great again. They want the world to be great at our expense.
Look at our trade deals. We got less rich while third world shitholes got less poor.
Okay. Let's back this train up a second, and see if we can agree on a few points.

First, would you, or would you not agree that between shipping technology, and the advent of the internet, we do, in fact, exist in a global economy?
I think exporting is a MAJOR factor in our economy, yes.
 
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It cant be. Most people producing info (economists, MSM) are globalists. They don't want America to be great again. They want the world to be great at our expense.
Look at our trade deals. We got less rich while third world shitholes got less poor.

Not bad for a dumbass....your brain does show some glimmer of hope at times.
lol.gif
English? I don't understand welsh :lmao:
Oi! I'm WELSH, ya wank!
 
You say that, like there was a time in our economic history when we saw an economic explosion, due to unregulated - or minimally regulated - free market capitalism. When would that have been?
No I didn't. I support protectionism and free markets. I believe there is a time for both.
I have OFTEN brought up the 18-18th century protectionism as a reason for protectionism.
Oh. I misunderstood. I agree. Although I think part of the problem is adapting that protectionist mindset to a 21st century global economy. How do you suggest that could be done?
It cant be. Most people producing info (economists, MSM) are globalists. They don't want America to be great again. They want the world to be great at our expense.
Look at our trade deals. We got less rich while third world shitholes got less poor.
Okay. Let's back this train up a second, and see if we can agree on a few points.

First, would you, or would you not agree that between shipping technology, and the advent of the internet, we do, in fact, exist in a global economy?
I think exporting is a MAJOR factor in our economy, yes.
LOL! That's a rater p;olitically adept wy of agreeing with me, without committing to agree with me. Nicely done. So, I'll take that as agreement.

So. Point 2: You would agree that our primary goal in economic policy - both domestic, and foreign - should be to protect the interests of American industry, the environment, consumers, and labour force, yes?
 
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It cant be. Most people producing info (economists, MSM) are globalists. They don't want America to be great again. They want the world to be great at our expense.
Look at our trade deals. We got less rich while third world shitholes got less poor.

Not bad for a dumbass....your brain does show some glimmer of hope at times.
lol.gif
English? I don't understand welsh :lmao:
Oi! I'm WELSH, ya wank!
wrong welsh lol
 
No I didn't. I support protectionism and free markets. I believe there is a time for both.
I have OFTEN brought up the 18-18th century protectionism as a reason for protectionism.
Oh. I misunderstood. I agree. Although I think part of the problem is adapting that protectionist mindset to a 21st century global economy. How do you suggest that could be done?
It cant be. Most people producing info (economists, MSM) are globalists. They don't want America to be great again. They want the world to be great at our expense.
Look at our trade deals. We got less rich while third world shitholes got less poor.
Okay. Let's back this train up a second, and see if we can agree on a few points.

First, would you, or would you not agree that between shipping technology, and the advent of the internet, we do, in fact, exist in a global economy?
I think exporting is a MAJOR factor in our economy, yes.
LOL! That's a rater p;olitically adept wy of agreeing with me, without committing to agree with me. Nicely done. So, I'll take that as agreement.

So. Point 2: You would agree that our primary goal in economic policy - both domestic, and foreign - should be to protect the interests of American industry, the environment, consumers, and labour force, yes?
No....just the free market....
 
What we have no isn't free trade. "American free trade" today is when you can regulate an economy to death, then outsource to third world shitholes who dump nuclear waste in the community lake and use slaves.
AMERICA
You say that, like there was a time in our economic history when we saw an economic explosion, due to unregulated - or minimally regulated - free market capitalism. When would that have been?
No I didn't. I support protectionism and free markets. I believe there is a time for both.
I have OFTEN brought up the 18-18th century protectionism as a reason for protectionism.
Oh. I misunderstood. I agree. Although I think part of the problem is adapting that protectionist mindset to a 21st century global economy. How do you suggest that could be done?
It cant be. Most people producing info (economists, MSM) are globalists. They don't want America to be great again. They want the world to be great at our expense.
Look at our trade deals. We got less rich while third world shitholes got less poor.
Okay. Let's back this train up a second, and see if we can agree on a few points.

First, would you, or would you not agree that between shipping technology, and the advent of the internet, we do, in fact, exist in a global economy?
Goods have been shipping in and out since day one. Your question seems to be about tariffs but you've framed it as a debate on capitalism.

What part of capitalism dictates that tariffs cannot be part of the economic system? Shouldn't that be your focus?
 
No I didn't. I support protectionism and free markets. I believe there is a time for both.
I have OFTEN brought up the 18-18th century protectionism as a reason for protectionism.
Oh. I misunderstood. I agree. Although I think part of the problem is adapting that protectionist mindset to a 21st century global economy. How do you suggest that could be done?
It cant be. Most people producing info (economists, MSM) are globalists. They don't want America to be great again. They want the world to be great at our expense.
Look at our trade deals. We got less rich while third world shitholes got less poor.
Okay. Let's back this train up a second, and see if we can agree on a few points.

First, would you, or would you not agree that between shipping technology, and the advent of the internet, we do, in fact, exist in a global economy?
I think exporting is a MAJOR factor in our economy, yes.
LOL! That's a rater p;olitically adept wy of agreeing with me, without committing to agree with me. Nicely done. So, I'll take that as agreement.

So. Point 2: You would agree that our primary goal in economic policy - both domestic, and foreign - should be to protect the interests of American industry, the environment, consumers, and labour force, yes?
generally, yes
 

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