Is it possible for atheism to ever be anything more than critical theory?

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Agreed. But anyone who attempts to subordinate religion are furthering the goals of Marxist subversives.

Unadulterated, paranoid nonsense.

Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB colonel, says otherwise.

 

[Karl Rand]

Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB colonel, says otherwise?
Obviously a man you can trust.

 

[ding]

Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB colonel, says otherwise?
Obviously a man you can trust.

A man with inside knowledge who describes exactly what we observe. Which is why you try to discredit him.

Yuri Bezmenov (ex-KJB) on Demoralization

 

[WinterBorn]

Atheism isn't a political ideology. It isn't a religion. Burn your strawmen.

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

Socialism as a special religion

Bulgakov, among others, formulated this thought in the following way: "For socialism nowadays emerges not only as a natural area of social policy but usually also as a religion, one based on atheism and the deification of man and man's labor and on recognition of the elemental forces of Nature and social life and as the only meaningful principle of history." (115: p. 36)

115. S. Bulgakov. Pervokhristianstvo i noveishii sotsializm (Early Christianity and Modern Socialism, in Russian). Moscow, 1911.

None of that shows that atheism is a political ideology. And none shows it to be a religion.

I do not believe in any deity. That is not a critical theory. It is my sincere belief. I do not feel the need to prove it to you or to anyone else. I have seen nothing to prove otherwise to me.

You'd have to read the rest.

I have no doubt that it states that atheism is a part of socialism or communism. I am not arguing that.

But that does not mean atheism is exclusively socialist or communist. The sky is blue. But not everything blue is the sky.

Agreed. But anyone who attempts to subordinate religion are furthering the goals of Marxist subversives.

Totally irrelevant to the topic.

 

[ding]

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

Socialism as a special religion

Bulgakov, among others, formulated this thought in the following way: "For socialism nowadays emerges not only as a natural area of social policy but usually also as a religion, one based on atheism and the deification of man and man's labor and on recognition of the elemental forces of Nature and social life and as the only meaningful principle of history." (115: p. 36)

115. S. Bulgakov. Pervokhristianstvo i noveishii sotsializm (Early Christianity and Modern Socialism, in Russian). Moscow, 1911.

None of that shows that atheism is a political ideology. And none shows it to be a religion.

I do not believe in any deity. That is not a critical theory. It is my sincere belief. I do not feel the need to prove it to you or to anyone else. I have seen nothing to prove otherwise to me.

You'd have to read the rest.

I have no doubt that it states that atheism is a part of socialism or communism. I am not arguing that.

But that does not mean atheism is exclusively socialist or communist. The sky is blue. But not everything blue is the sky.

Agreed. But anyone who attempts to subordinate religion are furthering the goals of Marxist subversives.

Totally irrelevant to the topic.

No. Critical theory is the vehicle used by cultural Marxists in the demoralization process.

It is totally relevant to the topic. It is a subversive practice intended to alter the culture. It was developed by behavioral scientists who married the work of Freud to Marx for the express purpose of bringing about a cultural revolution.

They even have a set agenda to achieve their goals.

1. Demoralization
2. Destabilization
3. Crisis
4. Normalization

 

[WinterBorn]

None of that shows that atheism is a political ideology. And none shows it to be a religion.

I do not believe in any deity. That is not a critical theory. It is my sincere belief. I do not feel the need to prove it to you or to anyone else. I have seen nothing to prove otherwise to me.

You'd have to read the rest.

I have no doubt that it states that atheism is a part of socialism or communism. I am not arguing that.

But that does not mean atheism is exclusively socialist or communist. The sky is blue. But not everything blue is the sky.

Agreed. But anyone who attempts to subordinate religion are furthering the goals of Marxist subversives.

Totally irrelevant to the topic.

No. Critical theory is the vehicle used by cultural Marxists in the demoralization process.

It is totally relevant to the topic. It is a subversive practice intended to alter the culture. It was developed by behavioral scientists who married the work of Freud to Marx for the express purpose of bringing about a cultural revolution.

They even have a set agenda to achieve their goals.

1. Demoralization
2. Destabilization
3. Crisis
4. Normalization

If you want to make a thread about how critical theory is used my Marxists, go right ahead.

The fact that Marxists use it is irrelevant to the stated topic.

The stated topic is about atheism, not Marxism. But you have insisted on trying to draw a correlation between atheism and Marxism. They are not, repeat NOT, the same thing. And any attempt to paint them as the same thing is being dishonest and deviating from the stated topic.

 

[WinterBorn]

None of that shows that atheism is a political ideology. And none shows it to be a religion.

I do not believe in any deity. That is not a critical theory. It is my sincere belief. I do not feel the need to prove it to you or to anyone else. I have seen nothing to prove otherwise to me.

You'd have to read the rest.

I have no doubt that it states that atheism is a part of socialism or communism. I am not arguing that.

But that does not mean atheism is exclusively socialist or communist. The sky is blue. But not everything blue is the sky.

Agreed. But anyone who attempts to subordinate religion are furthering the goals of Marxist subversives.

Totally irrelevant to the topic.

No. Critical theory is the vehicle used by cultural Marxists in the demoralization process.

It is totally relevant to the topic. It is a subversive practice intended to alter the culture. It was developed by behavioral scientists who married the work of Freud to Marx for the express purpose of bringing about a cultural revolution.

They even have a set agenda to achieve their goals.

1. Demoralization
2. Destabilization
3. Crisis
4. Normalization

Do the majority of atheists, as a rule, engage in demoralization or destabilization?

 

[WinterBorn]

The link is to cultural marxism and critical theory. The atheists here don't even know they have been indoctrinated in it. Or do you need for me to explain that link too?

I thought we'd already dispensed with the claim that atheism was a critical theory. You do have a fondness for making bare assertions and not supporting them, so I think it would be useful for you to try to elaborate on your claim. However, you should try to avoid mischaracterizing either atheism or critical theory while doing so. Also, you should realize that posting links which describe Marxists as atheists does not actually support the claim that atheists here have been indoctrinated into Marxist beliefs or that they are dupes of subversives.

So you agree that Marxists are atheists and that their agenda requires atheism but you don’t believe that militant atheists aren’t Marxists or dupes of Marxists when they carry out the anti-religion agenda of Marxists? Is that correct?

Because I am willing to concede that atheists who do not carry out the anti-religion of Marxists are not Marxists or dupes of Marxists.

And yet, you write an OP title about atheism, and then spend post after post crying about Marxism like they are the same thing.

If you want to address atheism, then do so. If you want to address Marxism, then do so. This attempt to denigrate all atheists because of Marxism is dishonest, at best.

 

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You'd have to read the rest.

I have no doubt that it states that atheism is a part of socialism or communism. I am not arguing that.

But that does not mean atheism is exclusively socialist or communist. The sky is blue. But not everything blue is the sky.

Agreed. But anyone who attempts to subordinate religion are furthering the goals of Marxist subversives.

Totally irrelevant to the topic.

No. Critical theory is the vehicle used by cultural Marxists in the demoralization process.

It is totally relevant to the topic. It is a subversive practice intended to alter the culture. It was developed by behavioral scientists who married the work of Freud to Marx for the express purpose of bringing about a cultural revolution.

They even have a set agenda to achieve their goals.

1. Demoralization
2. Destabilization
3. Crisis
4. Normalization

If you want to make a thread about how critical theory is used my Marxists, go right ahead.

The fact that Marxists use it is irrelevant to the stated topic.

The stated topic is about atheism, not Marxism. But you have insisted on trying to draw a correlation between atheism and Marxism. They are not, repeat NOT, the same thing. And any attempt to paint them as the same thing is being dishonest and deviating from the stated topic.

It is related as atheism is a requirement of altering the culture.

 

[ding]

You'd have to read the rest.

I have no doubt that it states that atheism is a part of socialism or communism. I am not arguing that.

But that does not mean atheism is exclusively socialist or communist. The sky is blue. But not everything blue is the sky.

Agreed. But anyone who attempts to subordinate religion are furthering the goals of Marxist subversives.

Totally irrelevant to the topic.

No. Critical theory is the vehicle used by cultural Marxists in the demoralization process.

It is totally relevant to the topic. It is a subversive practice intended to alter the culture. It was developed by behavioral scientists who married the work of Freud to Marx for the express purpose of bringing about a cultural revolution.

They even have a set agenda to achieve their goals.

1. Demoralization
2. Destabilization
3. Crisis
4. Normalization

Do the majority of atheists, as a rule, engage in demoralization or destabilization?

Probably to some degree. Yes.

Not all are actively engaged or aggressive in n it.

 

[well named]

But anyone who attempts to subordinate religion are furthering the goals of Marxist subversives.

Seems like we're just stuck here:

I don't know exactly where you would set the bounds of "militant atheism" but it's clearly the case that many people we might classify as such are not Marxists. None of the most famous "new atheists" (e.g. Dennett, Harris, Hitchens, etc.) are Marxists, as far as I know. It seems like the mistake you are making is in thinking that if two groups of people share a common goal then they must either entirely share the same beliefs or that one group must be a dupe of the other. But that doesn't follow at all. To make an analogy, there are libertarian posters on this board with whom I share some views, for example opposition to excessive state power, or the war on drugs, or trends towards elements of a police state. But in other areas my views diverge sharply from theirs, e.g. progressive taxation and social policy. That fact that we have some overlapping aims and views does not make either of us dupes of the other.

Similarly, Marxists and "militant atheists" share an antipathy towards religion and some common goals about reducing the power of religious institutions. Some also share a belief in materialism, although the dialectical materialism of Marxism is sometimes a bit idiosyncratic. But otherwise members of these two groups often have very few other political views in common. Someone like Dennett is not attempting to foment a proletarian revolution.

 

[dblack]

Listen, it's obvious that if you don't believe in God, you're a Marxist tool and contributing to the downfall of America. Get with the program.

 

[WinterBorn]

I have no doubt that it states that atheism is a part of socialism or communism. I am not arguing that.

But that does not mean atheism is exclusively socialist or communist. The sky is blue. But not everything blue is the sky.

Agreed. But anyone who attempts to subordinate religion are furthering the goals of Marxist subversives.

Totally irrelevant to the topic.

No. Critical theory is the vehicle used by cultural Marxists in the demoralization process.

It is totally relevant to the topic. It is a subversive practice intended to alter the culture. It was developed by behavioral scientists who married the work of Freud to Marx for the express purpose of bringing about a cultural revolution.

They even have a set agenda to achieve their goals.

1. Demoralization
2. Destabilization
3. Crisis
4. Normalization

If you want to make a thread about how critical theory is used my Marxists, go right ahead.

The fact that Marxists use it is irrelevant to the stated topic.

The stated topic is about atheism, not Marxism. But you have insisted on trying to draw a correlation between atheism and Marxism. They are not, repeat NOT, the same thing. And any attempt to paint them as the same thing is being dishonest and deviating from the stated topic.

It is related as atheism is a requirement of altering the culture.

But it is Marxism that is altering the culture, not atheism. If the topic is atheism, make it about atheism.

 

[WinterBorn]

I have no doubt that it states that atheism is a part of socialism or communism. I am not arguing that.

But that does not mean atheism is exclusively socialist or communist. The sky is blue. But not everything blue is the sky.

Agreed. But anyone who attempts to subordinate religion are furthering the goals of Marxist subversives.

Totally irrelevant to the topic.

No. Critical theory is the vehicle used by cultural Marxists in the demoralization process.

It is totally relevant to the topic. It is a subversive practice intended to alter the culture. It was developed by behavioral scientists who married the work of Freud to Marx for the express purpose of bringing about a cultural revolution.

They even have a set agenda to achieve their goals.

1. Demoralization
2. Destabilization
3. Crisis
4. Normalization

Do the majority of atheists, as a rule, engage in demoralization or destabilization?

Probably to some degree. Yes.

Not all are actively engaged or aggressive in n it.

WTF? How does my not believing in any deity equate to me engaging in demoralization or destabilization?

Answer? It doesn't. Your claim is either based in ignorance or an outright lie.

Most atheists do neither. They simply live their lives without the belief in some spirit in the sky.

 

[OnePercenter]

Plus the other problem with atheism is that it is a purely political stunt. Mostly used by Marxist political strategists. In contrast, religions offer personal enrichment.

The problem with atheism is that god can't be fully proven nor fully disproven.

 

[Karl Rand]

Plus the other problem with atheism is that it is a purely political stunt. Mostly used by Marxist political strategists. In contrast, religions offer personal enrichment.

The problem with atheism is that god can't be fully proven nor fully disproven.

Its always going to be a problem for anyone to prove or disprove an idea that’s essentially meaningless.

 

[Karl Rand]

Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB colonel, says otherwise?
Obviously a man you can trust.

A man with inside knowledge who describes exactly what we observe. Which is why you try to discredit him.

Yuri Bezmenov (ex-KJB) on Demoralization

Your constant pretence you have insight into the internal reason others make posts is either a form of astonishing ignorance/arrogance or both. Simply there is no point in entering into dialogue with a true believer who imagines they either have the skills of a psychoanalyst or psychic powers.

 

[Karl Rand]

The stated topic is about atheism, not Marxism. But you have insisted on trying to draw a correlation between atheism and Marxism. They are not, repeat NOT, the same thing. And any attempt to paint them as the same thing is being dishonest and deviating from the stated topic.

There are times when we have to admit there’s no point in entering into dialogue with some people.

 

[ding]

Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB colonel, says otherwise?
Obviously a man you can trust.

A man with inside knowledge who describes exactly what we observe. Which is why you try to discredit him.

Yuri Bezmenov (ex-KJB) on Demoralization

Your constant pretence you have insight into the internal reason others make posts is either a form of astonishing ignorance/arrogance or both. Simply there is no point in entering into dialogue with a true believer who imagines they either have the skills of a psychoanalyst or psychic powers.

If you could dispute what he said you would. But you can’t.

Do you dispute that they have a set formula that begins with demoralization? No. You don’t.

 

[ding]

Agreed. But anyone who attempts to subordinate religion are furthering the goals of Marxist subversives.

Totally irrelevant to the topic.

No. Critical theory is the vehicle used by cultural Marxists in the demoralization process.

It is totally relevant to the topic. It is a subversive practice intended to alter the culture. It was developed by behavioral scientists who married the work of Freud to Marx for the express purpose of bringing about a cultural revolution.

They even have a set agenda to achieve their goals.

1. Demoralization
2. Destabilization
3. Crisis
4. Normalization

Do the majority of atheists, as a rule, engage in demoralization or destabilization?

Probably to some degree. Yes.

Not all are actively engaged or aggressive in n it.

WTF? How does my not believing in any deity equate to me engaging in demoralization or destabilization?

Answer? It doesn't. Your claim is either based in ignorance or an outright lie.

Most atheists do neither. They simply live their lives without the belief in some spirit in the sky.

Is that why you are posting in a religious forum? You are just living your life? Give me a break. You are here to subordinate religion.