Is it "racist" and bad to communicate facts on race?

[JustAnotherNut]

Only if you mention "per capita".

Per capita is inaccurate. You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame the those committing the act and if that incudes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act.

You do realize those statements works both ways, right?

You do realize I said that because whites commit the most crimes but per capita is used to deny that? Also the only reason why you make this claim is to use it to deny anything that shows whites continue committing acts of racism and that some of the crimes whites get away with is because of this belief based on per capita claims.

wtf are you talking about?

My comment was to address the fact that as you were claiming 'You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame those committing the act and if that includes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act' also meant blacks that claim all whites are racists, are white supremacists, whites are privileged and whites discriminate against blacks is just as unfair.

IOW, don't blame all your troubles on all whites, only blame the few whites that actually did something to you. and not to others...….just like you said and I responded, it works both ways

"White insistence on Individualism in regards to racism in particular prevents crossracial understanding, denies the salience of race and racism in our lives, and serves to reinforce and maintain racist relations."

8 dynamics of Individualism as it pertains to racism:

Dynamic One: Denies the Significance of Race and the Advantages of Being White
Dynamic Two: Hides the Accumulation of Wealth over Generations
Dynamic Three: Denies Social and Historical Context
Dynamic Four: Prevents a Macro Analysis of the Institutional and Structural Dimensions of Social Life
Dynamic Five: Denies Collective Socialization and the Power of Dominant Culture (Media, Education, Religion, etc.) to Shape our Perspectives and Ideology
Dynamic Six: Functions as Neo-Colorblindness and Reproduces the Myth of Meritocracy
Dynamic Seven: Individualism, as Well as Universalism, is Only Culturally Available to the Dominant Group
Dynamic Eight: Makes Collective Action Difficult

"Given the ideology of Individualism, we see ourselves as different from one another and expect others to see us as different too. Not having a group consciousness, whites often respond defensively when associated with other whites, feeling unfairly generalized and “accused” of benefiting from racism (Picower, 2009).

Individualism prevents us from seeing ourselves as responsible for or accountable to other whites as members of a shared racial group who collectively profit from racism. Individualism allows whites to distance themselves from the actions of their racial group and demand to be granted the benefit of the doubt, as individuals, in all cases (DiAngelo, 2006a).

As individuals, we are not each other’s problems and we leave people of color in the position to challenge other white people. Challenging white people is much more difficult for people of color to do, for when people of color challenge whites they are often dismissed with a variety of accusations including: playing the race card, having a chip on their shoulder, seeing race in everything, or being oversensitive or angry (Applebaum, 2003; Bonilla-Silva, 2006)."

DiAngelo, Robin J, 'Why Can’t We All Just Be Individuals?": Countering the Discourse of Individualism in Antiracist Education

So it's ok if people of color do this but not whites???

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Per capita is inaccurate. You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame the those committing the act and if that incudes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act.

You do realize those statements works both ways, right?

You do realize I said that because whites commit the most crimes but per capita is used to deny that? Also the only reason why you make this claim is to use it to deny anything that shows whites continue committing acts of racism and that some of the crimes whites get away with is because of this belief based on per capita claims.

wtf are you talking about?

My comment was to address the fact that as you were claiming 'You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame those committing the act and if that includes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act' also meant blacks that claim all whites are racists, are white supremacists, whites are privileged and whites discriminate against blacks is just as unfair.

IOW, don't blame all your troubles on all whites, only blame the few whites that actually did something to you. and not to others...….just like you said and I responded, it works both ways

"White insistence on Individualism in regards to racism in particular prevents crossracial understanding, denies the salience of race and racism in our lives, and serves to reinforce and maintain racist relations."

8 dynamics of Individualism as it pertains to racism:

Dynamic One: Denies the Significance of Race and the Advantages of Being White
Dynamic Two: Hides the Accumulation of Wealth over Generations
Dynamic Three: Denies Social and Historical Context
Dynamic Four: Prevents a Macro Analysis of the Institutional and Structural Dimensions of Social Life
Dynamic Five: Denies Collective Socialization and the Power of Dominant Culture (Media, Education, Religion, etc.) to Shape our Perspectives and Ideology
Dynamic Six: Functions as Neo-Colorblindness and Reproduces the Myth of Meritocracy
Dynamic Seven: Individualism, as Well as Universalism, is Only Culturally Available to the Dominant Group
Dynamic Eight: Makes Collective Action Difficult

"Given the ideology of Individualism, we see ourselves as different from one another and expect others to see us as different too. Not having a group consciousness, whites often respond defensively when associated with other whites, feeling unfairly generalized and “accused” of benefiting from racism (Picower, 2009).

Individualism prevents us from seeing ourselves as responsible for or accountable to other whites as members of a shared racial group who collectively profit from racism. Individualism allows whites to distance themselves from the actions of their racial group and demand to be granted the benefit of the doubt, as individuals, in all cases (DiAngelo, 2006a).

As individuals, we are not each other’s problems and we leave people of color in the position to challenge other white people. Challenging white people is much more difficult for people of color to do, for when people of color challenge whites they are often dismissed with a variety of accusations including: playing the race card, having a chip on their shoulder, seeing race in everything, or being oversensitive or angry (Applebaum, 2003; Bonilla-Silva, 2006)."

DiAngelo, Robin J, 'Why Can’t We All Just Be Individuals?": Countering the Discourse of Individualism in Antiracist Education

So it's ok if people of color do this but not whites???

and not be considered reverse racists?

 

[IM2]

Per capita is inaccurate. You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame the those committing the act and if that incudes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act.

You do realize those statements works both ways, right?

You do realize I said that because whites commit the most crimes but per capita is used to deny that? Also the only reason why you make this claim is to use it to deny anything that shows whites continue committing acts of racism and that some of the crimes whites get away with is because of this belief based on per capita claims.

wtf are you talking about?

My comment was to address the fact that as you were claiming 'You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame those committing the act and if that includes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act' also meant blacks that claim all whites are racists, are white supremacists, whites are privileged and whites discriminate against blacks is just as unfair.

IOW, don't blame all your troubles on all whites, only blame the few whites that actually did something to you. and not to others...….just like you said and I responded, it works both ways

"White insistence on Individualism in regards to racism in particular prevents crossracial understanding, denies the salience of race and racism in our lives, and serves to reinforce and maintain racist relations."

8 dynamics of Individualism as it pertains to racism:

Dynamic One: Denies the Significance of Race and the Advantages of Being White
Dynamic Two: Hides the Accumulation of Wealth over Generations
Dynamic Three: Denies Social and Historical Context
Dynamic Four: Prevents a Macro Analysis of the Institutional and Structural Dimensions of Social Life
Dynamic Five: Denies Collective Socialization and the Power of Dominant Culture (Media, Education, Religion, etc.) to Shape our Perspectives and Ideology
Dynamic Six: Functions as Neo-Colorblindness and Reproduces the Myth of Meritocracy
Dynamic Seven: Individualism, as Well as Universalism, is Only Culturally Available to the Dominant Group
Dynamic Eight: Makes Collective Action Difficult

"Given the ideology of Individualism, we see ourselves as different from one another and expect others to see us as different too. Not having a group consciousness, whites often respond defensively when associated with other whites, feeling unfairly generalized and “accused” of benefiting from racism (Picower, 2009).

Individualism prevents us from seeing ourselves as responsible for or accountable to other whites as members of a shared racial group who collectively profit from racism. Individualism allows whites to distance themselves from the actions of their racial group and demand to be granted the benefit of the doubt, as individuals, in all cases (DiAngelo, 2006a).

As individuals, we are not each other’s problems and we leave people of color in the position to challenge other white people. Challenging white people is much more difficult for people of color to do, for when people of color challenge whites they are often dismissed with a variety of accusations including: playing the race card, having a chip on their shoulder, seeing race in everything, or being oversensitive or angry (Applebaum, 2003; Bonilla-Silva, 2006)."

DiAngelo, Robin J, 'Why Can’t We All Just Be Individuals?": Countering the Discourse of Individualism in Antiracist Education

So it's ok if people of color do this but not whites???

How dumb can a person really be? We recognize racism exists. We are not using individualism to deny it.

 

[IM2]

You do realize those statements works both ways, right?

You do realize I said that because whites commit the most crimes but per capita is used to deny that? Also the only reason why you make this claim is to use it to deny anything that shows whites continue committing acts of racism and that some of the crimes whites get away with is because of this belief based on per capita claims.

wtf are you talking about?

My comment was to address the fact that as you were claiming 'You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame those committing the act and if that includes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act' also meant blacks that claim all whites are racists, are white supremacists, whites are privileged and whites discriminate against blacks is just as unfair.

IOW, don't blame all your troubles on all whites, only blame the few whites that actually did something to you. and not to others...….just like you said and I responded, it works both ways

"White insistence on Individualism in regards to racism in particular prevents crossracial understanding, denies the salience of race and racism in our lives, and serves to reinforce and maintain racist relations."

8 dynamics of Individualism as it pertains to racism:

Dynamic One: Denies the Significance of Race and the Advantages of Being White
Dynamic Two: Hides the Accumulation of Wealth over Generations
Dynamic Three: Denies Social and Historical Context
Dynamic Four: Prevents a Macro Analysis of the Institutional and Structural Dimensions of Social Life
Dynamic Five: Denies Collective Socialization and the Power of Dominant Culture (Media, Education, Religion, etc.) to Shape our Perspectives and Ideology
Dynamic Six: Functions as Neo-Colorblindness and Reproduces the Myth of Meritocracy
Dynamic Seven: Individualism, as Well as Universalism, is Only Culturally Available to the Dominant Group
Dynamic Eight: Makes Collective Action Difficult

"Given the ideology of Individualism, we see ourselves as different from one another and expect others to see us as different too. Not having a group consciousness, whites often respond defensively when associated with other whites, feeling unfairly generalized and “accused” of benefiting from racism (Picower, 2009).

Individualism prevents us from seeing ourselves as responsible for or accountable to other whites as members of a shared racial group who collectively profit from racism. Individualism allows whites to distance themselves from the actions of their racial group and demand to be granted the benefit of the doubt, as individuals, in all cases (DiAngelo, 2006a).

As individuals, we are not each other’s problems and we leave people of color in the position to challenge other white people. Challenging white people is much more difficult for people of color to do, for when people of color challenge whites they are often dismissed with a variety of accusations including: playing the race card, having a chip on their shoulder, seeing race in everything, or being oversensitive or angry (Applebaum, 2003; Bonilla-Silva, 2006)."

DiAngelo, Robin J, 'Why Can’t We All Just Be Individuals?": Countering the Discourse of Individualism in Antiracist Education

So it's ok if people of color do this but not whites???

and not be considered reverse racists?

The really is no such thing.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

You do realize those statements works both ways, right?

You do realize I said that because whites commit the most crimes but per capita is used to deny that? Also the only reason why you make this claim is to use it to deny anything that shows whites continue committing acts of racism and that some of the crimes whites get away with is because of this belief based on per capita claims.

wtf are you talking about?

My comment was to address the fact that as you were claiming 'You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame those committing the act and if that includes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act' also meant blacks that claim all whites are racists, are white supremacists, whites are privileged and whites discriminate against blacks is just as unfair.

IOW, don't blame all your troubles on all whites, only blame the few whites that actually did something to you. and not to others...….just like you said and I responded, it works both ways

"White insistence on Individualism in regards to racism in particular prevents crossracial understanding, denies the salience of race and racism in our lives, and serves to reinforce and maintain racist relations."

8 dynamics of Individualism as it pertains to racism:

Dynamic One: Denies the Significance of Race and the Advantages of Being White
Dynamic Two: Hides the Accumulation of Wealth over Generations
Dynamic Three: Denies Social and Historical Context
Dynamic Four: Prevents a Macro Analysis of the Institutional and Structural Dimensions of Social Life
Dynamic Five: Denies Collective Socialization and the Power of Dominant Culture (Media, Education, Religion, etc.) to Shape our Perspectives and Ideology
Dynamic Six: Functions as Neo-Colorblindness and Reproduces the Myth of Meritocracy
Dynamic Seven: Individualism, as Well as Universalism, is Only Culturally Available to the Dominant Group
Dynamic Eight: Makes Collective Action Difficult

"Given the ideology of Individualism, we see ourselves as different from one another and expect others to see us as different too. Not having a group consciousness, whites often respond defensively when associated with other whites, feeling unfairly generalized and “accused” of benefiting from racism (Picower, 2009).

Individualism prevents us from seeing ourselves as responsible for or accountable to other whites as members of a shared racial group who collectively profit from racism. Individualism allows whites to distance themselves from the actions of their racial group and demand to be granted the benefit of the doubt, as individuals, in all cases (DiAngelo, 2006a).

As individuals, we are not each other’s problems and we leave people of color in the position to challenge other white people. Challenging white people is much more difficult for people of color to do, for when people of color challenge whites they are often dismissed with a variety of accusations including: playing the race card, having a chip on their shoulder, seeing race in everything, or being oversensitive or angry (Applebaum, 2003; Bonilla-Silva, 2006)."

DiAngelo, Robin J, 'Why Can’t We All Just Be Individuals?": Countering the Discourse of Individualism in Antiracist Education

So it's ok if people of color do this but not whites???

How dumb can a person really be? We recognize racism exists. We are not using individualism to deny it.

Sure most everyone can agree racism does exists in some individuals or even groups...…..but not everyone and not even the majority.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

You do realize I said that because whites commit the most crimes but per capita is used to deny that? Also the only reason why you make this claim is to use it to deny anything that shows whites continue committing acts of racism and that some of the crimes whites get away with is because of this belief based on per capita claims.

wtf are you talking about?

My comment was to address the fact that as you were claiming 'You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame those committing the act and if that includes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act' also meant blacks that claim all whites are racists, are white supremacists, whites are privileged and whites discriminate against blacks is just as unfair.

IOW, don't blame all your troubles on all whites, only blame the few whites that actually did something to you. and not to others...….just like you said and I responded, it works both ways

"White insistence on Individualism in regards to racism in particular prevents crossracial understanding, denies the salience of race and racism in our lives, and serves to reinforce and maintain racist relations."

8 dynamics of Individualism as it pertains to racism:

Dynamic One: Denies the Significance of Race and the Advantages of Being White
Dynamic Two: Hides the Accumulation of Wealth over Generations
Dynamic Three: Denies Social and Historical Context
Dynamic Four: Prevents a Macro Analysis of the Institutional and Structural Dimensions of Social Life
Dynamic Five: Denies Collective Socialization and the Power of Dominant Culture (Media, Education, Religion, etc.) to Shape our Perspectives and Ideology
Dynamic Six: Functions as Neo-Colorblindness and Reproduces the Myth of Meritocracy
Dynamic Seven: Individualism, as Well as Universalism, is Only Culturally Available to the Dominant Group
Dynamic Eight: Makes Collective Action Difficult

"Given the ideology of Individualism, we see ourselves as different from one another and expect others to see us as different too. Not having a group consciousness, whites often respond defensively when associated with other whites, feeling unfairly generalized and “accused” of benefiting from racism (Picower, 2009).

Individualism prevents us from seeing ourselves as responsible for or accountable to other whites as members of a shared racial group who collectively profit from racism. Individualism allows whites to distance themselves from the actions of their racial group and demand to be granted the benefit of the doubt, as individuals, in all cases (DiAngelo, 2006a).

As individuals, we are not each other’s problems and we leave people of color in the position to challenge other white people. Challenging white people is much more difficult for people of color to do, for when people of color challenge whites they are often dismissed with a variety of accusations including: playing the race card, having a chip on their shoulder, seeing race in everything, or being oversensitive or angry (Applebaum, 2003; Bonilla-Silva, 2006)."

DiAngelo, Robin J, 'Why Can’t We All Just Be Individuals?": Countering the Discourse of Individualism in Antiracist Education

So it's ok if people of color do this but not whites???

and not be considered reverse racists?

The really is no such thing.

Are you saying that blacks or people of color are not racists against whites??

 

[Correll]

Thanks. So it IS racist to say that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men, correct?

That is not a derogatory statement, and is evident with physical measurements to support it. It is clearly not meant to demean a race, for a hurtful, mean, racist reason.

Is it racist to share FBI crime statistics?

It would depend on your purpose.... is it to demean, to ridicule, to be hateful, to try to make you feel better about yourself? Or is it to honestly and intelligently discuss the statistics and how the situation came about or what to do to improve those statistics?

So, it depends on your ability to read the mind of another person, whether or not what they say is racist.


Interesting.

That's not what she said. Whether or not someone's purpose is to promote a racist idea or agenda is not dependent on whether someone else realizes it.

The determination of what one's purpose it, will be made by liberals like her. And if they don't like what is being said, they will determine that the purpose is racism.


Because they just "know" it.

 

[Montrovant]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

Only if you mention "per capita".

Per capita is inaccurate. You cannot blame an entire population for a specific act done. You can only blame the those committing the act and if that incudes race, the number of people specifically by that race committing the act.

Wait, now you want to argue individualism?

I am not arguing individualism. I am arguing about recording accurate group participation in crime.

"White insistence on Individualism in regards to racism in particular prevents crossracial understanding, denies the salience of race and racism in our lives, and serves to reinforce and maintain racist relations."

8 dynamics of Individualism as it pertains to racism:

Dynamic One: Denies the Significance of Race and the Advantages of Being White
Dynamic Two: Hides the Accumulation of Wealth over Generations
Dynamic Three: Denies Social and Historical Context
Dynamic Four: Prevents a Macro Analysis of the Institutional and Structural Dimensions of Social Life
Dynamic Five: Denies Collective Socialization and the Power of Dominant Culture (Media, Education, Religion, etc.) to Shape our Perspectives and Ideology
Dynamic Six: Functions as Neo-Colorblindness and Reproduces the Myth of Meritocracy
Dynamic Seven: Individualism, as Well as Universalism, is Only Culturally Available to the Dominant Group
Dynamic Eight: Makes Collective Action Difficult

"Given the ideology of Individualism, we see ourselves as different from one another and expect others to see us as different too. Not having a group consciousness, whites often respond defensively when associated with other whites, feeling unfairly generalized and “accused” of benefiting from racism (Picower, 2009).

Individualism prevents us from seeing ourselves as responsible for or accountable to other whites as members of a shared racial group who collectively profit from racism. Individualism allows whites to distance themselves from the actions of their racial group and demand to be granted the benefit of the doubt, as individuals, in all cases (DiAngelo, 2006a).

As individuals, we are not each other’s problems and we leave people of color in the position to challenge other white people. Challenging white people is much more difficult for people of color to do, for when people of color challenge whites they are often dismissed with a variety of accusations including: playing the race card, having a chip on their shoulder, seeing race in everything, or being oversensitive or angry (Applebaum, 2003; Bonilla-Silva, 2006)."

DiAngelo, Robin J, 'Why Can’t We All Just Be Individuals?": Countering the Discourse of Individualism in Antiracist Education

Only blaming those individuals who commit illegal acts, rather than the group they are a part of, seems like a form of individualism to me.

I'd like to point out that per capita statistics are not inherently inaccurate. How they are used can be inaccurate, but that doesn't make the statistics themselves inaccurate.

 

[Correll]

Thanks. So it IS racist to say that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men, correct?

That is not a derogatory statement, and is evident with physical measurements to support it. It is clearly not meant to demean a race, for a hurtful, mean, racist reason.

Is it racist to share FBI crime statistics?

It would depend on your purpose.... is it to demean, to ridicule, to be hateful, to try to make you feel better about yourself? Or is it to honestly and intelligently discuss the statistics and how the situation came about or what to do to improve those statistics?

So, it depends on your ability to read the mind of another person, whether or not what they say is racist.


Interesting.

no reading minds to it, simply read what they said and posted...

easy as pie!

Words have meaning.... no guesswork is really needed!

You were responding to someone who asked if it was racist to share FBI crime statistics.


YOu said it depended on his purpose.


You can't read a post of FBI crime statistics and point at it and determine "purpose" by just what is written.

 

[TNHarley]

All references to, and comments about, race must first be cleared through the Regressive Left Thought & Word Control Center (RLTWCC), from which you will be given final notice within three (3) working days.

I thought everyone knew this.

Really? And when did this happen.

Hey, guy, the only people who've gotten in to trouble for saying racist things are the ones who slipped up and said openly racist things... Like Rosanne Barr.

Who only got fired after 30 years of this sort of crap, and everyone remembered she was crazy.

Saying an individual looks like an animal isnt racist, you idiot.
Do you even know what racism is?

 

[Montrovant]

That is not a derogatory statement, and is evident with physical measurements to support it. It is clearly not meant to demean a race, for a hurtful, mean, racist reason.

Is it racist to share FBI crime statistics?

It would depend on your purpose.... is it to demean, to ridicule, to be hateful, to try to make you feel better about yourself? Or is it to honestly and intelligently discuss the statistics and how the situation came about or what to do to improve those statistics?

So, it depends on your ability to read the mind of another person, whether or not what they say is racist.


Interesting.

That's not what she said. Whether or not someone's purpose is to promote a racist idea or agenda is not dependent on whether someone else realizes it.

The determination of what one's purpose it, will be made by liberals like her. And if they don't like what is being said, they will determine that the purpose is racism.


Because they just "know" it.

That also would not make the sharing of particular statistics racist. Just because one person believes another is pushing statistics for racist reasons does not make it so.

The important point, I think, is that sharing statistics can be done as part of a racist agenda or to promote racist ideas. So, while statistics themselves are not racist, and while sharing statistics is not an inherently racist thing to do, it is disingenuous at best to imply that one cannot be pushing racist ideas when sharing statistics.

 

[Godboy]

For example, would it be racist if one stated that black men are, on average, taller than Asian men?

Would it be racist to state that, statistically speaking, American Caucasians are more likely to be arrested for a crime than an Asian-American?

You didnt mention black people, so i guess its ok for you to say that stuff. You better not mention black people though, or ill call you a racist sooo hard.

 

[Correll]

Is it racist to share FBI crime statistics?

It would depend on your purpose.... is it to demean, to ridicule, to be hateful, to try to make you feel better about yourself? Or is it to honestly and intelligently discuss the statistics and how the situation came about or what to do to improve those statistics?

So, it depends on your ability to read the mind of another person, whether or not what they say is racist.


Interesting.

That's not what she said. Whether or not someone's purpose is to promote a racist idea or agenda is not dependent on whether someone else realizes it.

The determination of what one's purpose it, will be made by liberals like her. And if they don't like what is being said, they will determine that the purpose is racism.


Because they just "know" it.

That also would not make the sharing of particular statistics racist. Just because one person believes another is pushing statistics for racist reasons does not make it so.

True. But that does not change the fact that liberals will make that call, and then shut down any real discuss on the topic in question, with race baiting and personal attacks.

The important point, I think, is that sharing statistics can be done as part of a racist agenda or to promote racist ideas. So, while statistics themselves are not racist, and while sharing statistics is not an inherently racist thing to do, it is disingenuous at best to imply that one cannot be pushing racist ideas when sharing statistics.

No, the important point is, that knee jerk accusations of racism, often shut down real discussion on important issues.

Also, I have not claimed that sharing statistics cannot be used to push racist ideas, to be clear.


I've simply asked questions on how one can tell when that is being done, as opposed to using them for potentially productive discussion.

 

[Montrovant]

It would depend on your purpose.... is it to demean, to ridicule, to be hateful, to try to make you feel better about yourself? Or is it to honestly and intelligently discuss the statistics and how the situation came about or what to do to improve those statistics?

So, it depends on your ability to read the mind of another person, whether or not what they say is racist.


Interesting.

That's not what she said. Whether or not someone's purpose is to promote a racist idea or agenda is not dependent on whether someone else realizes it.

The determination of what one's purpose it, will be made by liberals like her. And if they don't like what is being said, they will determine that the purpose is racism.


Because they just "know" it.

That also would not make the sharing of particular statistics racist. Just because one person believes another is pushing statistics for racist reasons does not make it so.

True. But that does not change the fact that liberals will make that call, and then shut down any real discuss on the topic in question, with race baiting and personal attacks.

The important point, I think, is that sharing statistics can be done as part of a racist agenda or to promote racist ideas. So, while statistics themselves are not racist, and while sharing statistics is not an inherently racist thing to do, it is disingenuous at best to imply that one cannot be pushing racist ideas when sharing statistics.

No, the important point is, that knee jerk accusations of racism, often shut down real discussion on important issues.

Also, I have not claimed that sharing statistics cannot be used to push racist ideas, to be clear.


I've simply asked questions on how one can tell when that is being done, as opposed to using them for potentially productive discussion.

That's a question each individual has to determine in context, as with all questions about another person's intent.

 

[Correll]

So, it depends on your ability to read the mind of another person, whether or not what they say is racist.


Interesting.

That's not what she said. Whether or not someone's purpose is to promote a racist idea or agenda is not dependent on whether someone else realizes it.

The determination of what one's purpose it, will be made by liberals like her. And if they don't like what is being said, they will determine that the purpose is racism.


Because they just "know" it.

That also would not make the sharing of particular statistics racist. Just because one person believes another is pushing statistics for racist reasons does not make it so.

True. But that does not change the fact that liberals will make that call, and then shut down any real discuss on the topic in question, with race baiting and personal attacks.

The important point, I think, is that sharing statistics can be done as part of a racist agenda or to promote racist ideas. So, while statistics themselves are not racist, and while sharing statistics is not an inherently racist thing to do, it is disingenuous at best to imply that one cannot be pushing racist ideas when sharing statistics.

No, the important point is, that knee jerk accusations of racism, often shut down real discussion on important issues.

Also, I have not claimed that sharing statistics cannot be used to push racist ideas, to be clear.


I've simply asked questions on how one can tell when that is being done, as opposed to using them for potentially productive discussion.

That's a question each individual has to determine in context, as with all questions about another person's intent.

No, that is a problem that society as a whole needs to confront and solve, because the inability to seriously and honestly even DISCUSS many problems, is literally killing people and tearing this nation apart.

 

[K9Buck]

So everyone that voted for Trump is a racist?

Pretty much.

Some blacks voted for Trump. Are they racist?

 

[Montrovant]

So everyone that voted for Trump is a racist?

Pretty much.

Trump may be a narcissistic asshat, but that doesn't mean everyone who voted for him is a racist.

 

[JoeB131]

Saying an individual looks like an animal isnt racist, you idiot.
Do you even know what racism is?

"My Racism totally isn't racist!"

Whatever, dude.

 

[JoeB131]

Some blacks voted for Trump. Are they racist?

Naw, probably just self-loathing.

 

[JoeB131]

Trump may be a narcissistic asshat, but that doesn't mean everyone who voted for him is a racist.

Yeah, it kind of does. They had an opportunity to reject his racism, and they didn't.