Is low self esteem the real problem socialists have?

[EverCurious]

You sound offended... Do you not have family to care for you when you get old? Tending to ones parents when their bodies or minds fail them is part of ones obligations in life, but that obligation is to ones /own/ family, not the entire world.

yes, I'm offended by people who support shit that has already proven to NOT WORK.

We have Medicare and Social Security for a reason, that reason being that we don't want to make families choose between their children and their parents.

Not work for whom? Things work out splendidly for me, for my entire family, for nearly everyone I know. My grandparents died millionaires, my parents will die millionaires, I will die a millionaire, and my kids as well. This is the progress of natural selection. Yes, I know, you fools like to argue the "silver spoon" because it's easier to dismiss and continue your bleating cries of envy. But it's not just inheritance, were that so, then the money would eventually run out, it's time within a family would be finite, each generation sapping off another bundle of cash and burning it - this is what the government does btw. Rather it is the lessons taught growing up that ensures the continuance of wealth. I have influenced and taught my children as my parents taught me, as they were taught by their parents back in histories pages. It is a grit and determination to succeed, a desire to be better than others, to excel, a fire that drives all of us to keep working, keep earning, and never sit on our laurels when there is so much to be done, and so few to do it. There is no help if you stumble or make a mistake, the lion of competition has no mercy for the weak, she will tear you to shreds if you are not smarter and faster than her. There is no option, there is no whining about it, there is only staying sharp, bounding higher and stretching headlong into the flight when you must. These traits breed success, these lessons, this way of living, is passed down as a self-insurance for a successful... lineage, I suppose, though the name doesn't matter so much as the happiness of our family members, that our children are successful, our grandchildren are successful, and far into the future. The way we raise our kids and grandkids before we leave this earth propels them onto the path to success, it lights that fire in them before setting them free.

[Edit and for the record, I have received no inheritance to get where I am, my folks decided to put it all in the bank because of my younger brother. He blew an inheritance he got from his mother on drugs and destroyed his life. My elder brother and I are both well off so we didn't want nor need anything from our grandfather's inheritance. We'll end up with it when my folks die, maybe my younger brother will sit on his ass and ruin his life again, but my elder brother and I will simply throw it on the market or w/e.]

Meh, Medicare and Social Security were a crappy idea borne of a long past era. Just another stumble in the flight. Based on the premise of pensions, also a bad idea. Sustainability was sacrificed by the middle class and the poor. Bluntly, not my problem, if you failed to plan for your retirement properly because you were leaning on the teat of the government, that's on you, and if your kids can't help you out because they're failures as well... Your line is certainly not a benefit to the country "herd" so why should I care?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Is low self esteem the real problem socialists have?"

All three of them.

No, the real problem most conservatives have is their ignorance, stupidity, and propensity to lie.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I am not bragging about my success. The fact is, I've had very limited success up until recently, and I recently figured out why. Now that I've fixed the problem, I am bringing in more clients and making more money. I believe that in one year, I will be very successful. The thing is, I never gave up trying.

But you do need to give up lying.

 

[JoeB131]

So... you think socialism is the answer?

Please post a link to a successful socialist nation...

Germany, Japan, France, the United Kingdom... Canada...

Oh, wait, you rednecks like to pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist.

 

[JoeB131]

Not work for whom? Things work out splendidly for me, for my entire family, for nearly everyone I know. My grandparents died millionaires, my parents will die millionaires, I will die a millionaire, and my kids as well.

yup, it's another "eccentric millionaire" who posts on the internet.

No, really. He's a millionaire. Trust him.

 

[EverCurious]

Her. It's alright, I'm sure that envy and resentment of yours will treat you well at the end.

 

[Boss]

I have a friend who is constantly posting Marxist posts on Facebook. In his mind, the world is divided between capitalists who unfairly profit off the work of workers, and workers who are oppressed "wage slaves" and have no choice but to work or starve.

He is a cook at a restaurant, and based on previous posts he made, I have learned that his job is physically exhausting, mentally draining, and without much respect in the community. At least, that is the way he has presented it.

So I asked him if he considers himself a "wage slave" and he said yes.

So I told him I used to be a "wage slave" too, but now I'm an independent contractor and I now I run my business as an attorney.

And I suggested he start his own company too, so he could be a capitalist and not a "wage slave."

And all he has come back with is excuses for why it is impossible for him to start his own business.

At first I suggested he start his own restaurant, and he said he didn't have enough money, so then I said he could buy a catering truck, and then I suggested he start a catering service.

And a catering service would require only enough money to buy food for the first job, but still he insists he cannot do this. He thinks that government regulations or something else like that will make it impossible to start his own catering business.

And I told him about immigrants who started businesses with no money at all and made it big, and my friend who started a business in my garage, but still he insists that he does not have enough money to start a business.

So what is it with this guy? Is it lack of self esteem? Or is there something else at work here?

It's a form of brainwashing and it has been happening for well over a century. The Socialist movement started essentially with Karl Marx... yes, I am aware there were others before him, but he brought it to the forefront and defined it for the masses. In his works, he expresses most of the ramblings we hear from modern progressives. It is rooted in class envy... the bourgeois capitalists and proletariat. At that time, across most of Europe and Asia, countries were controlled by a ruling class of some kind, a king or dictator, a royal family or oligarchy... there was no freedom of the people or liberty, you simply existed in the class you were born into from cradle to grave. So the frustration of not being able to break out and exhibit freedom from this is what gave rise to popular socialism.

This is precisely why today we see the modern progressives constantly and consistently trying to invoke an image of class... the rich, the middle class... the poor... and my favorite, the workers! These groupings are referred to as if they never change and can't change. This is important to their vision because it is how socialism is promoted. In fact, it's the only way the argument for socialism makes any rational sense. The problem is, our founding fathers established a better idea... self-governing, individual liberty and property rights, free enterprise and free markets. It completely eliminates the need for socialism. All justification for socialism is destroyed by this... but the socialists can't have that, so they construct the idea that class exists in spite of our freedom.

Once your mind has become conditioned to think in these terms, of classes that can't be escaped, you can then find solace in "standing up" for the "working class" or "the poor" and you can make the enemy "the rich" or the "greedy capitalist" ...and did you ever notice how "the capitalist" is ALWAYS greedy? Of course, in a true free market system, there is no such thing as a "greedy capitalist" because there is always a less greedy capitalist willing to take their business away. It's precisely how free market systems work. The smartest free market capitalist is less greedy because that makes him more competitive.

We don't have classes in America, we're all endowed with the same inalienable rights as individuals. If you don't like your economic conditions, you are free to change them. And people do this every single day in America. Very few people go through their entire lives in the same economic class. If you do, you're simply lazy and don't care to improve your class. But that's your choice, it's no one else's fault.

 

[Boss]

I also have to share this... I recently opened a restaurant. Now... I have never been in the restaurant business before in my life. I've never worked in one, never managed one... nothing... zero experience with it. Here is what happened....

I ran across a really good deal on a couple of old abandoned storefronts along the railroad in a sleepy little one horse town in north Alabama. It used to be a thriving community but now it's essentially a ghost town.... nothing there. The interstate exit is about a mile up the road and there is plenty of commerce around the exit... but this is "downtown" in the old historic part. So I bought what amounts to about 850 square feet for around $20k. Actually, I bartered for it using some timber property I wasn't using... so really, no money out of pocket there. I also had some restaurant equipment I had acquired in another barter exchange for some old cars.

My original purpose of buying these buildings was to use them for storage. I was going to keep some of my nicer antique cars in there to protect from the elements but when I started measuring, they weren't going to be big enough to suit my needs. So I was up there doing this measuring and stuff and I got hungry and wanted something to eat... I looked around and realized, there really wasn't any place to get a bite to eat other than the typical fast food joints up by the interstate. I started thinking, you know... this would make a good place for a little coffee shop where you could grab a bite to eat... I had the equipment and so I started planning it out.

I can't tell you how many people told me I was crazy. There's no way you're going to make that fly in THAT location! There were some pitfalls, I had to basically redo the antiquated plumbing and wiring. I had to install handicap ramps and lighting... it took me about 6 months to pull it all together. I decided to make it a bistro because a bistro is informal, you can serve anything. I chose to specialize in European style cuisine and feature items you couldn't normally find... like lamb chops and schnitzel. The critics kept screaming... NO WAY! You'll NEVER make THAT work! To top it off, in the adjoining building, I decided to put in a stage and feature live music. Keep in mind, this is a little one-horse town in the middle of nowhere... it's in a DRY county, no booze! And AGAIN... the critics railed... how the hell are you going to get people in to watch live music and you can't even serve alcohol?

Well... turns out, in a dry county, the people are used to not having alcohol. They don't seem to mind it. We pack the place out on Friday and Saturday nights. Our first month, we did over $20k in business. No rent to pay... everything is paid for... we're looking good financially. People in three surrounding counties are talking about us and we have guests coming from 60 miles away to check it out. I'm tickled with the results, I never thought it would be so successful but if it closed today, people would still be talking about it for years to come.



Success is 95% attitude.

 

[numan]

Not work for whom? Things work out splendidly for me, for my entire family, for nearly everyone I know. My grandparents died millionaires, my parents will die millionaires, I will die a millionaire, and my kids as well.

yup, it's another "eccentric millionaire" who posts on the internet.

No, really. He's a millionaire. Trust him.

In the unlikely event that he really is a millionaire, he is living proof of the saying:

NO RULING CLASS HAS EVER BEEN OVERTHROWN; THEY HAVE ALL COMMITTED SUICIDE.

Besides, with the devaluation of the American currency, it's no big deal to be a millionaire these days. I myself am almost a millionaire, due to property appreciation.

However, unlike NeverCurious, I am not so arrogant and beastly as to think I am superior to my fellow hominids.

After all, "There but for the grace of the Quantum Vacuum, go I."

"NO MAN IS AN ISLAND," though fools often like to think they are -- it's a quick and dirty proof that they are fools.
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[EverCurious]

She. Its not like I have slaves lol

 

[JoeB131]

In the unlikely event that he really is a millionaire, he is living proof of the saying:

NO RULING CLASS HAS EVER BEEN OVERTHROWN; THEY HAVE ALL COMMITTED SUICIDE.

Besides, with the devaluation of the American currency, it's no big deal to be a millionaire these days. I myself am almost a millionaire, due to property appreciation.

However, unlike NeverCurious, I am not so arrogant and beastly as to think I am superior to my fellow hominids.

After all, "There but for the grace of the Quantum Vacuum, go I."

"NO MAN IS AN ISLAND," though fools often like to think they are -- it's a quick and dirty proof that they are fools.

Very well said.

 

[JoeB131]

I also have to share this... I recently opened a restaurant. Now... I have never been in the restaurant business before in my life. I've never worked in one, never managed one... nothing... zero experience with it. Here is what happened....

YOu claimed to be one on the INternet, and then it became true.

Yup. USMB is full of eccentric conservative millionaires. NO, really.

Except real millionaires are busy going out there and cheating the people who do the actual work. They aren't on USMB trying to defend it.

 

[JoeB131]

Her. It's alright, I'm sure that envy and resentment of yours will treat you well at the end.

yup, a supposed millionaire who can't use simple grammar.

 

[numan]

She. Its not like I have slaves lol

Sorry. You were so irrational, I assumed you were a man.
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[2aguy]

I have a friend who is constantly posting Marxist posts on Facebook. In his mind, the world is divided between capitalists who unfairly profit off the work of workers, and workers who are oppressed "wage slaves" and have no choice but to work or starve.

He is a cook at a restaurant, and based on previous posts he made, I have learned that his job is physically exhausting, mentally draining, and without much respect in the community. At least, that is the way he has presented it.

So I asked him if he considers himself a "wage slave" and he said yes.

So I told him I used to be a "wage slave" too, but now I'm an independent contractor and I now I run my business as an attorney.

And I suggested he start his own company too, so he could be a capitalist and not a "wage slave."

And all he has come back with is excuses for why it is impossible for him to start his own business.

At first I suggested he start his own restaurant, and he said he didn't have enough money, so then I said he could buy a catering truck, and then I suggested he start a catering service.

And a catering service would require only enough money to buy food for the first job, but still he insists he cannot do this. He thinks that government regulations or something else like that will make it impossible to start his own catering business.

And I told him about immigrants who started businesses with no money at all and made it big, and my friend who started a business in my garage, but still he insists that he does not have enough money to start a business.

So what is it with this guy? Is it lack of self esteem? Or is there something else at work here?

He doesn't have the skills to achieve anything beyond what he has........and his anger at this keeps him from doing other things that might give him a better shot....he could go to any business, McDonalds, Walmart, Target....and work at the lowest job...and with hard work alone he could advance and improve his position in life.....but his anger and his left wing education makes him see that as becoming a slave......

Soooooo....instead of improving his life, he spews hate.....just like the founder of Marxism.......karl marx was a sad, angry man who lived off the generosity of the other guy...the rich one.......

It is a mental problem that they have...

 

[JoeB131]

Soooooo....instead of improving his life, he spews hate.....just like the founder of Marxism.......karl marx was a sad, angry man who lived off the generosity of the other guy...the rich one.......

It is a mental problem that they have...

Naw, guy, the mental problem is from the working class folks who keep defending the 1% and the way they abuse working people.

It's kind of like Battered Wife Syndrome or maybe Stockholm Syndrome.

Now we used to have strong unions in this country and a vibrant middle class. At least if you were white. But then the one percent figure out if they talked to the Angry White Males about the gays and the guns and the abortions, they wouldn't notice when they dismantled those unions and the middle class.

"Hey, why is my good factory job going to China?"

"Look, there's some guy in a dress trying to use the ladies room!!!"

 

[Boss]

Except real millionaires are busy going out there and cheating the people who do the actual work.

You are right... I am seriously cheating my dedicated staff who work their fucking asses off every day to make me look good. I don't pay them nearly enough for the tremendous job they do and effort they put in to my business. From my servers to my managers, dedicated and loyal young people who are motivated and eager to make it happen.

I hired a bang up 'rock star' of a chef who totally gets the vision of what we're doing and he's knocking it out of the park every week. He's working for about 1/3 of what he could make in a bigger city. I have no idea how I got so lucky landing such a gem.. he literally just, off the street, walked in the door the week of our opening, after our original chef fell through and I fearing we were going to have to fake it.

Our hostess is Class A... a smart and sophisticated little red head with glasses and 4.0 gpa who knows what she is doing and takes care of every customer who walks through the door. I have a breakfast manager who gets there at 5:30 a.m. in order to prepare for 7:00 opening but she only claims her salary from 7-12. She was down there every day while we were preparing to open, working for free to get {our} restaurant ready.

So you nailed it... absolutely! I am cheating my employees like you wouldn't believe.

 

[Dutch]

mmm Define "abuse" JoeB, I am curious.


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I am an individual in control of her own destiny. If I should fail to work and acquire the money I need to survive, then I would have failed myself, no one would have caused it on me, it would have been my fault. If one cannot pull through for themselves, then they most certainly cannot pull through for anyone else. And while I am okay, perhaps even keen, to provide a helping hand, I am adverse to having a chain put around my leg, forced drag along those who will not help themselves.

Ultimately, while they have my sympathy, it is a similar sympathy I would have for the gazelle who didn't out run the lioness. To me, the person who will not even help themselves, is the sickly, slow gazelle who failed to outrun the rest of the herd. While it can be sad, in the end it is better for everyone that the strong healthy gazelle be the ones to carry on the success of the herd as a whole. And so too with our society; we are becoming weak, in the mind, emotionally, economically, the entire herd is faltering because we keep slowing down so the weak can keep up, but the weak do not want to run. The pride does not slow down for our weak though, in fact, the more we slow, the stronger they will get. If the individual gazelle does not have the will to survive and succeed, then let them choose that path, and offer them a call of warning, but ignore their bleating when they do not run... and the lioness pounces.

But sometimes you don't control your own destiny. I am a 40 year old man and, through no fault of mine, have End Stage Renal Disease. Nothing I have done has caused this. The dialysis treatments to keep me alive costs around 87,000 dollars a year, an amount event a "millionaire" would need help with. I am thankful to live in a time when Kidney failure isn't a death sentence. Through private insurance and Medicare I am able to pay for my treatments. I fear the day social darwinist like you ever get control of the government.

 

[Boss]

But sometimes you don't control your own destiny. I am a 40 year old man and, through no fault of mine, have End Stage Renal Disease. Nothing I have done has caused this. The dialysis treatments to keep me alive costs around 87,000 dollars a year, an amount event a "millionaire" would need help with. I am thankful to live in a time when Kidney failure isn't a death sentence. Through private insurance and Medicare I am able to pay for my treatments. I fear the day social darwinist like you ever get control of the government.

The only time and place in all of human history a society was able to provide a reasonable level of health care for persons facing your particular situation is on our country, in our time, through a free market, free enterprise capitalist system. We can generate enough capitalist free market prosperity that we can afford to absorb the costs of your treatment where other systems would allow you to die waiting for health care. In some socialist countries, you wouldn't even get health care. And in the REAL shitholes, you'd just be euthanized, it's more humane that way.

So while you may want to attack "social darwinists" what you should actually do is thank a capitalist. Your costs are covered, you get treatment, if there are extra costs we have a robust charity system and various government funded programs for additional assistance if needed. You really can't ask for more than you have.

Free markets. Free enterprise. Capitalism.

 

[JoeB131]

You are right... I am seriously cheating my dedicated staff who work their fucking asses off every day to make me look good.

No, guy, i don't think you actually have a staff... that's my point. i think you are too mentally deranged to organize your sock drawer.