Is MEMORY in one's BLOOD?

[Taz]

Humans have a great aversion to the site of a spider. All humans. There does appear to be something coded to account for this. The thing we call 'instict' in animals is real and it is encoded. A fawn or young rabbit know instinctively to remain absolutely still and silent in the grass when a predator is nearby looking for them rather than run. Only at the last second do they try to run away. Something IS passed by DNA to account for this. The genes and mechanisms are still being studied.

I was along the same lines.

If the purpose of the op is to discuss the possibility of memories passed genetically, then it’s in the wrong forum. This forum’s primarily purpose is racial bickering.

The OP is saying that memory is in our blood, so if I'm in a hospital and I get a pint of blood that happens to come from a black person, I'm going to remember the horrors of slavery!!!!

The title does suggest that, but .....

1. Mr. Foner writes that Ms. "Bailey seems to believe that the impact of traumatic experiences, such as the Holocaust and slavery, can be transmitted genetically, that descendants can 'unconsciously' inherit 'environmental stresses akin to historical trauma'. Studies of rats, she reports, reveal the reality of 'trans-generational stress' ". [Mr. Foner himself feels that Ms. Bailey's "account of the transmission of memory borders on the metaphysical."]

The op author does mention genetics, see above. Blood is sometimes used as a metaphor for genetics.

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Is MEMORY in one's BLOOD?"

It's what it says. If the OP doesn't want to get laughed at, they shouldn't post funny shit.

 

[Moonglow]

Racist, walnut ignorant People like IM2 make white people who fought for the freedom of slaves and walk side by side with minorities even today, sorry they did.

Some folks is just myopic...

My eye sight sucks.

The closer I get to sexy so do mine, er sixty that is...

 

[katsteve2012]

The truth is not an excuse.

You don't need the truth to find an excuse, we all know that.

Why can't whites get into their minds that 100 years went by after slavery whereby blacks had no rights?

Why can't you folks get it through YOUR head that that was a long, long time ago and no whites alive today had anything to do with that.

There are many whites as well as blacks still living who were here prior to the ending of Jim Crow, which lasted 100 years after slavery was abolished.

To vilify all whites today for that when they had nothing to do with it just makes you looks bad, and nullifies any real attempt to deal with racism today. Most whites todays are your allies, try to remember that.

You are apparantley not reading thoroughly.

It's a fact that Jim Crow stayed in effect for 100 years after slavery ended.

And, it is also a fact that many living people, myself included, were lhere during that era and witnessed it personally.

Stating the truth is not the equivalent of vilification of ALL white people.

 

[Taz]

You don't need the truth to find an excuse, we all know that.

Why can't whites get into their minds that 100 years went by after slavery whereby blacks had no rights?

Why can't you folks get it through YOUR head that that was a long, long time ago and no whites alive today had anything to do with that.

There are many whites as well as blacks still living who were here prior to the ending of Jim Crow, which lasted 100 years after slavery was abolished.

To vilify all whites today for that when they had nothing to do with it just makes you looks bad, and nullifies any real attempt to deal with racism today. Most whites todays are your allies, try to remember that.

You are apparantley not reading thoroughly.

It's a fact that Jim Crow stayed in effect for 100 years after slavery ended.

And, it is also a fact that many living people, myself included, were lhere during that era and witnessed it personally.

Stating the truth is not the equivalent of vilification of ALL white people.

Gimme a break, aside from a few really old people drooling on themselves, nobody today had anything to do with that. But keep repeating that strawman excuse, it's all you've got, apparently.

 

[Disir]

Epigenetics is very controversial but we know that dna changes due to environmental factors.I think it is quite a leap to say it's genetically programmed.

Does it need to be passed down genetically?

We know that domestic violence and child abuse is generational. What you could do to your spouse or children in the 1920s or 1970s you can't do today. At least not without consequences. However, those past violent interactions impact perception and current interactions with their children and others. THAT lack of trust, withholding of emotion or affection can be passed down.

With some cultures that history is handed down through the stories and events that were known by their great grandparents or other elders. It impacts how one perceives and interacts with the world around them. I'm not saying it's wrong or right. It just is.

One of the US astronauts came back from space and they had done a DNA test before and after on him and his twin...His DNA did change after a year in space...

I saw that. Environmental impact.

Too, there is evidence that when children don't bond during early childhood it changes their brain to such an extent that it functions in a completely different way. So, there is a lot to take into consideration with all of the information that we currently have.

I agree that deep psychological trauma or physical stress can change dna. What I have a hard time buying into is the ability to separate nature versus nurture in responding to the world.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The Romans oppressed and enslaved other Europeans for centuries.
But my blood isn't telling me to loath the Italians.
What went wrong with your left wing wacko "Memory Blood" theory?

 

[Moonglow]

Epigenetics is very controversial but we know that dna changes due to environmental factors.I think it is quite a leap to say it's genetically programmed.

Does it need to be passed down genetically?

We know that domestic violence and child abuse is generational. What you could do to your spouse or children in the 1920s or 1970s you can't do today. At least not without consequences. However, those past violent interactions impact perception and current interactions with their children and others. THAT lack of trust, withholding of emotion or affection can be passed down.

With some cultures that history is handed down through the stories and events that were known by their great grandparents or other elders. It impacts how one perceives and interacts with the world around them. I'm not saying it's wrong or right. It just is.

One of the US astronauts came back from space and they had done a DNA test before and after on him and his twin...His DNA did change after a year in space...

I saw that. Environmental impact.

Too, there is evidence that when children don't bond during early childhood it changes their brain to such an extent that it functions in a completely different way. So, there is a lot to take into consideration with all of the information that we currently have.

I agree that deep psychological trauma or physical stress can change dna. What I have a hard time buying into is the ability to separate nature versus nurture in responding to the world.

All humans are not made the same. I do believe that there is some instinctual behavior along with conditioning by learned behavior. But until that one moment arrives it is hard to prognosticate what a person's response will be to stimuli..

 

[Disir]

Epigenetics is very controversial but we know that dna changes due to environmental factors.I think it is quite a leap to say it's genetically programmed.

Does it need to be passed down genetically?

We know that domestic violence and child abuse is generational. What you could do to your spouse or children in the 1920s or 1970s you can't do today. At least not without consequences. However, those past violent interactions impact perception and current interactions with their children and others. THAT lack of trust, withholding of emotion or affection can be passed down.

With some cultures that history is handed down through the stories and events that were known by their great grandparents or other elders. It impacts how one perceives and interacts with the world around them. I'm not saying it's wrong or right. It just is.

One of the US astronauts came back from space and they had done a DNA test before and after on him and his twin...His DNA did change after a year in space...

I saw that. Environmental impact.

Too, there is evidence that when children don't bond during early childhood it changes their brain to such an extent that it functions in a completely different way. So, there is a lot to take into consideration with all of the information that we currently have.

I agree that deep psychological trauma or physical stress can change dna. What I have a hard time buying into is the ability to separate nature versus nurture in responding to the world.

All humans are not made the same. I do believe that there is some instinctual behavior along with conditioning by learned behavior. But until that one moment arrives it is hard to prognosticate what a person's response will be to stimuli..

Yep. Crazy question and I understand if you don't want to answer it. You're Cherokee. How does that history impact you and how you relate to the world, as well as, your interpersonal relationships?

ok. I have to take off.

 

[TheParser]

For those interested members who are not able to read the article, here's something more. (I'm a computer illiterate senior citizen who can't link. Sorry.)

*****

Mr. Foner mentions the sociologist Alondra Nelson, who raises questions about the scientific credibility of DNA findings.

Mr. Foner says that Ms. Nelson "wonders whether the reliance on DNA is reviving the long discredited biological understanding of race as something inborn and immutable that determines a person's capabilities."

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

How come everyone doesn't have the "Memory Blood"?
Barbary slave trade - Wikipedia
White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500–1800. Davis estimates that 1 million to 1.25 million white Christian Europeans were enslaved in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th, by slave traders from Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli.

Left Wingers are knuttjobs.

 

[katsteve2012]

Why can't whites get into their minds that 100 years went by after slavery whereby blacks had no rights?

Why can't you folks get it through YOUR head that that was a long, long time ago and no whites alive today had anything to do with that.

There are many whites as well as blacks still living who were here prior to the ending of Jim Crow, which lasted 100 years after slavery was abolished.

To vilify all whites today for that when they had nothing to do with it just makes you looks bad, and nullifies any real attempt to deal with racism today. Most whites todays are your allies, try to remember that.

You are apparantley not reading thoroughly.

It's a fact that Jim Crow stayed in effect for 100 years after slavery ended.

And, it is also a fact that many living people, myself included, were lhere during that era and witnessed it personally.

Stating the truth is not the equivalent of vilification of ALL white people.

Gimme a break, aside from a few really old people drooling on themselves, nobody today had anything to do with that. But keep repeating that strawman excuse, it's all you've got, apparently.

Are you capable of reading a calendar? Jim Crow ended in 1965. Therefore, people who were born be4ween 1940 and 1950 in most cases would still be living, and be in their 60"s or 70"s.


And if they happened to be black and ever took a trip south of the Mason Dixon Line, or even to certain areas all over the U.S., they likely could have personally experienced the restrictions of that system.

 

[Moonglow]

Epigenetics is very controversial but we know that dna changes due to environmental factors.I think it is quite a leap to say it's genetically programmed.

Does it need to be passed down genetically?

We know that domestic violence and child abuse is generational. What you could do to your spouse or children in the 1920s or 1970s you can't do today. At least not without consequences. However, those past violent interactions impact perception and current interactions with their children and others. THAT lack of trust, withholding of emotion or affection can be passed down.

With some cultures that history is handed down through the stories and events that were known by their great grandparents or other elders. It impacts how one perceives and interacts with the world around them. I'm not saying it's wrong or right. It just is.

One of the US astronauts came back from space and they had done a DNA test before and after on him and his twin...His DNA did change after a year in space...

I saw that. Environmental impact.

Too, there is evidence that when children don't bond during early childhood it changes their brain to such an extent that it functions in a completely different way. So, there is a lot to take into consideration with all of the information that we currently have.

I agree that deep psychological trauma or physical stress can change dna. What I have a hard time buying into is the ability to separate nature versus nurture in responding to the world.

All humans are not made the same. I do believe that there is some instinctual behavior along with conditioning by learned behavior. But until that one moment arrives it is hard to prognosticate what a person's response will be to stimuli..

Yep. Crazy question and I understand if you don't want to answer it. You're Cherokee. How does that history impact you and how you relate to the world, as well as, your interpersonal relationships?

ok. I have to take off.

Always check flaps and struts, but my grandmother seldom ever mentioned the injun background since her step dad didn't like injuns so it was forbidden, plus society shunned injuns and she had a light complexion. For me it was no big deal since injuns were not so severely disadvantaged during my period of life...
...

 

[Taz]

Why can't you folks get it through YOUR head that that was a long, long time ago and no whites alive today had anything to do with that.

There are many whites as well as blacks still living who were here prior to the ending of Jim Crow, which lasted 100 years after slavery was abolished.

To vilify all whites today for that when they had nothing to do with it just makes you looks bad, and nullifies any real attempt to deal with racism today. Most whites todays are your allies, try to remember that.

You are apparantley not reading thoroughly.

It's a fact that Jim Crow stayed in effect for 100 years after slavery ended.

And, it is also a fact that many living people, myself included, were lhere during that era and witnessed it personally.

Stating the truth is not the equivalent of vilification of ALL white people.

Gimme a break, aside from a few really old people drooling on themselves, nobody today had anything to do with that. But keep repeating that strawman excuse, it's all you've got, apparently.

Are you capable of reading a calendar? Jim Crow ended in 1965. Therefore, people who were born be4ween 1940 and 1950 in most cases would still be living, and be in their 60"s or 70"s.


And if they happened to be black and ever took a trip south of the Mason Dixon Line, or even to certain areas all over the U.S., they likely could have personally experienced the restrictions of that system.

They might be still alive but they had nothing to do with that, or can't you count? Actually, more people alive had a hand in ENDING Jim Crow.

 

[Valerie]

First slaves in America were white British children. Do I get to be traumatized now?

clearly, you are...

 

[Valerie]

How Trauma Is Carried Across Generations
Holding the secret history of our ancestors.

How Trauma Is Carried Across Generations

 

[katsteve2012]

There are many whites as well as blacks still living who were here prior to the ending of Jim Crow, which lasted 100 years after slavery was abolished.

To vilify all whites today for that when they had nothing to do with it just makes you looks bad, and nullifies any real attempt to deal with racism today. Most whites todays are your allies, try to remember that.

You are apparantley not reading thoroughly.

It's a fact that Jim Crow stayed in effect for 100 years after slavery ended.

And, it is also a fact that many living people, myself included, were lhere during that era and witnessed it personally.

Stating the truth is not the equivalent of vilification of ALL white people.

Gimme a break, aside from a few really old people drooling on themselves, nobody today had anything to do with that. But keep repeating that strawman excuse, it's all you've got, apparently.

Are you capable of reading a calendar? Jim Crow ended in 1965. Therefore, people who were born be4ween 1940 and 1950 in most cases would still be living, and be in their 60"s or 70"s.


And if they happened to be black and ever took a trip south of the Mason Dixon Line, or even to certain areas all over the U.S., they likely could have personally experienced the restrictions of that system.

They might be still alive but they had nothing to do with that, or can't you count? Actually, more people alive had a hand in ENDING Jim Crow.

There are many whites as well as blacks still living who were here prior to the ending of Jim Crow, which lasted 100 years after slavery was abolished.

To vilify all whites today for that when they had nothing to do with it just makes you looks bad, and nullifies any real attempt to deal with racism today. Most whites todays are your allies, try to remember that.

You are apparantley not reading thoroughly.

It's a fact that Jim Crow stayed in effect for 100 years after slavery ended.

And, it is also a fact that many living people, myself included, were lhere during that era and witnessed it personally.

Stating the truth is not the equivalent of vilification of ALL white people.

Gimme a break, aside from a few really old people drooling on themselves, nobody today had anything to do with that. But keep repeating that strawman excuse, it's all you've got, apparently.

Are you capable of reading a calendar? Jim Crow ended in 1965. Therefore, people who were born be4ween 1940 and 1950 in most cases would still be living, and be in their 60"s or 70"s.


And if they happened to be black and ever took a trip south of the Mason Dixon Line, or even to certain areas all over the U.S., they likely could have personally experienced the restrictions of that system.

They might be still alive but they had nothing to do with that, or can't you count? Actually, more people alive had a hand in ENDING Jim Crow.

And how would you know that those who "had a hand" in ending Jim Crow outnumber those who did not? And that those who are alive "had nothing to do with it"?

That doesn't even make sense.

I can count perfectly. Some of the people in my own family, are still living and were adults during that era

 

[IM2]

Except whites today do have something to do with it. Don't try, learn that.

Another dumb ass STUPID statement.

People like you are so fucking racist that you don't even realize that had it not been for WHITES, blacks would still be slaves today.
Not all "whites" are as racist as you apparently are.

LOL! I don't think so.You actually say that and think it's not proof of how racism still exists in whites today just as much as it ever has.

 

[IM2]

Racist, walnut ignorant People like IM2 make white people who fought for the freedom of slaves and walk side by side with minorities even today, sorry they did.

Yeah whites fought for our freedom then decided to enact Aparthied.. Shut your dumb ass up.

 

[IM2]

Why can't whites get into their minds that 100 years went by after slavery whereby blacks had no rights?

Why can't you folks get it through YOUR head that that was a long, long time ago and no whites alive today had anything to do with that.

Because whites today lived during Jim Crow, they had kids during Jim Crow. For example our president and AG were alive during jim crow. So whites today do have a lot to do with these matters. And then we have the retards like you. People who post up volumes of racism and declare that racism is a thing of he past.

Your reasoning is bullshit, and your hatred for all whites is again exposed for all to see.

So you cannot offer a rebuttal.

And you didn't disagree with me.

Yes I did. But you are dumb and this is the best you can do.

 

[IM2]

Why can't whites get into their minds that 100 years went by after slavery whereby blacks had no rights?

Why can't you folks get it through YOUR head that that was a long, long time ago and no whites alive today had anything to do with that.

There are many whites as well as blacks still living who were here prior to the ending of Jim Crow, which lasted 100 years after slavery was abolished.

To vilify all whites today for that when they had nothing to do with it just makes you looks bad, and nullifies any real attempt to deal with racism today. Most whites todays are your allies, try to remember that.

Except whites today do have something to do with it. Don't try, learn that.

Your hatred of all white people is showing again.

No it's not. But you are dumb and this is the best you can do.