Is Obama really a Christian?

[Ozmar]

"The police acted stupidly"
"waving their little tea bags"
"The GOP have no ideas"
"A pediatrician will cut open a kid with a sore throat for profit" (paraphrased)

I have plenty.

Sadly, you see nothing wrong with that type oif rhetoric.

as opposed to 'i don't know if he's a christian or not, i take the president at his word' (nudge, nudge wink, wink). of 'i love being in the pro-america parts of the country'... or
the president is trying to 'destroy this country'?

i think i'll take obama's statements.

You are comparing the statemnents of a fringe with the statements of the President.

When are we going to learn to never take a politician for his word?

The fringe also believe in UFO's and cosmic rays from the sun bringing about the events on the Mayan calendar.

 

[Jarhead]

JarHead...

Stop and be honest for a second.

Do you HONESTLY think if Obama did this all the talk of BC from the RW would stop?

In your heart of hearts do you believe that to a true assessment?

Yes, I do. And then the fringe right will attack something else.

One of the burdens of being President.

Here's an example of the psychology of conspiracy theories.
Why the stories about Obama's birth certificate will never die - Salon.com

Hence the reason that the theories are still going on, even though:

1. He released the only form of BC that Hawaii gives out.
2. The Secretary of State for Hawaii has repeatedly gone on record saying she's seen the birth records.
3. Every lawsuit brought on by Berg, Taitz, Corsi, etc have been laughed out of court.

Fair enough...but as I said, this was not a birther debate...it was a debate about why I believe he and his team do as they do.

But most responded to make fun of my points and did not want to try to understand what I was trying to say.

If they did, it would have been an interesting debate.

I hold myself responsible. I did not articulate my point well enough. I am a much more direct beater when face to face. Somethinjg is lost in text.

 

[Sinatra]

Religious Americans Losing Faith in Obama

Religious Americans Losing Faith in Obama | Newsflavor

 

[Jarhead]

"The police acted stupidly"

Put things into context, this was his personal friend, he KNEW the police were wrong. He defended his friend and rightly so. The police got the brunt of it...stuff happens, no one is perfect. You can choose to look at it objectively and realistically...or you can continue to take a partisan stance and use it as an opportunity to attack.

"waving their little tea bags"

At the time the Tea Bag people were really being ridiculous. I'll give you that one, although I agree with him.

Dude...get serious. The GOP have been regurgitating the same tired plans since Bush. Fail.

"A pediatrician will cut open a kid with a sore throat for profit" (paraphrased)

Who is being ridiculed here?

I have plenty.

Sadly, you see nothing wrong with that type oif rhetoric.

I'm sure you have plenty you OPT to see as ridicule...but if you step back and look objectively and not in a bubble...you would come to a more clear-minded conclusion.

I'm sure of it.

Pediatricians:
It questions the credibility and intentions of an entire practice.

GOP ideas:
He was referring to the healthcare debate and claimed on national TV that they had offered no ideas when, in fact, I sawe many presented during the debates on CSPAN

and you gave him a pass on the first two.

Look. Whatever. You like him, I dont. You seek the positives, I seek the negatives.

You are likely for his ideology, I can not even get a good grasp of his ideology.

Whatever, thats what makes America.

My point was lost in this debate....so I guess we now move on.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Yes, I do. And then the fringe right will attack something else.

One of the burdens of being President.

Here's an example of the psychology of conspiracy theories.
Why the stories about Obama's birth certificate will never die - Salon.com

Hence the reason that the theories are still going on, even though:

1. He released the only form of BC that Hawaii gives out.
2. The Secretary of State for Hawaii has repeatedly gone on record saying she's seen the birth records.
3. Every lawsuit brought on by Berg, Taitz, Corsi, etc have been laughed out of court.

Fair enough...but as I said, this was not a birther debate...it was a debate about why I believe he and his team do as they do.

But most responded to make fun of my points and did not want to try to understand what I was trying to say.

If they did, it would have been an interesting debate.

I hold myself responsible. I did not articulate my point well enough. I am a much more direct beater when face to face. Somethinjg is lost in text.

I can't speak for other posters in this thread, but I was responding to things you posted, like this:

LMAO....you made that up you loser.
Come back to me when you actually havce fact to offer.

Nope.
He did not release anything.
The state of hawaii, buy law, was forced to release it.

Which are simply NOT TRUE.

 

[MarcATL]

Jarhead, if you're the OP of this thread...you're off your rockers.

You are completely out of order for this one.

1. Religious test should NOT required

2. He says he is.

3. Presidents before weren't acting any more or less Christian than he is.

4. It doesn't MATTER.

Its a non-issue...and you know it.

Don't even try to play the sullen-role and say "aww gee shucks, I blame mahsulf fo' no 'ticulatin' muh argumunts betta."

Please.

 

[bodecea]

Really?
What was his GPA in college?

Asshole. You simply regurgitateds the stupid little talking points the dempocrats put out there.

What was Bush's?

Never cared. But if he were aked for it and he refsed to divulge it, I would care.

Dont know what my son did on Saturday night up at college, but if I asked him and he said he preferred not to tell me, I would absolutely want to know.

But if you are OK with an employee saying "I dont want to tell you"....go for it.

That's it, in a nutshell.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

"The police acted stupidly"

Put things into context, this was his personal friend, he KNEW the police were wrong. He defended his friend and rightly so. The police got the brunt of it...stuff happens, no one is perfect. You can choose to look at it objectively and realistically...or you can continue to take a partisan stance and use it as an opportunity to attack.

"waving their little tea bags"

At the time the Tea Bag people were really being ridiculous. I'll give you that one, although I agree with him.

Dude...get serious. The GOP have been regurgitating the same tired plans since Bush. Fail.

"A pediatrician will cut open a kid with a sore throat for profit" (paraphrased)

Who is being ridiculed here?

I have plenty.


Sadly, you see nothing wrong with that type oif rhetoric.

I'm sure you have plenty you OPT to see as ridicule...but if you step back and look objectively and not in a bubble...you would come to a more clear-minded conclusion.

I'm sure of it.

Explain away this one if you can...

"...my individual salvation is not going to come about without a collective salvation for the country..."

 

[theDoctorisIn]

"The police acted stupidly"

Put things into context, this was his personal friend, he KNEW the police were wrong. He defended his friend and rightly so. The police got the brunt of it...stuff happens, no one is perfect. You can choose to look at it objectively and realistically...or you can continue to take a partisan stance and use it as an opportunity to attack.

At the time the Tea Bag people were really being ridiculous. I'll give you that one, although I agree with him.

Dude...get serious. The GOP have been regurgitating the same tired plans since Bush. Fail.

Who is being ridiculed here?

I have plenty.


Sadly, you see nothing wrong with that type oif rhetoric.

I'm sure you have plenty you OPT to see as ridicule...but if you step back and look objectively and not in a bubble...you would come to a more clear-minded conclusion.

I'm sure of it.

Explain away this one if you can...

"...my individual salvation is not going to come about without a collective salvation for the country..."

It's good speech writing. Nothing more.

Or we could get into exactly what Hillary Clinton meant when she titled her book "It takes a village." Does she hate mothers? Does she think that a mother and father can't raise a child on their own?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Put things into context, this was his personal friend, he KNEW the police were wrong. He defended his friend and rightly so. The police got the brunt of it...stuff happens, no one is perfect. You can choose to look at it objectively and realistically...or you can continue to take a partisan stance and use it as an opportunity to attack.

At the time the Tea Bag people were really being ridiculous. I'll give you that one, although I agree with him.

Dude...get serious. The GOP have been regurgitating the same tired plans since Bush. Fail.

Who is being ridiculed here?

I'm sure you have plenty you OPT to see as ridicule...but if you step back and look objectively and not in a bubble...you would come to a more clear-minded conclusion.

I'm sure of it.

Explain away this one if you can...

"...my individual salvation is not going to come about without a collective salvation for the country..."

It's good speech writing. Nothing more.

Or we could get into exactly what Hillary Clinton meant when she titled her book "It takes a village." Does she hate mothers? Does she think that a mother and father can't raise a child on their own?

Nothing more than good speech writing? Bullshit.

They are both speaking of the borg...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Explain away this one if you can...

"...my individual salvation is not going to come about without a collective salvation for the country..."

It's good speech writing. Nothing more.

Or we could get into exactly what Hillary Clinton meant when she titled her book "It takes a village." Does she hate mothers? Does she think that a mother and father can't raise a child on their own?

Nothing more than good speech writing? Bullshit.

They are both speaking of the borg...

You're welcome to believe whatever nonsense you like. Just don't expect anyone else to.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

It's good speech writing. Nothing more.

Or we could get into exactly what Hillary Clinton meant when she titled her book "It takes a village." Does she hate mothers? Does she think that a mother and father can't raise a child on their own?

Nothing more than good speech writing? Bullshit.

They are both speaking of the borg...

You're welcome to believe whatever nonsense you like. Just don't expect anyone else to.

Obviously you don't understand what i mean when i say "borg"....

It means at the end of the day both Obama and Hillary are basically collectivists/progressives/statists/socialists/marxists/communists/fascists/totalitarians....

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Nothing more than good speech writing? Bullshit.

They are both speaking of the borg...

You're welcome to believe whatever nonsense you like. Just don't expect anyone else to.

Obviously you don't understand what i mean when i say "borg"....

It means at the end of the day both Obama and Hillary are basically collectivists/progressives/statists/socialists/communists/fascists/totalitarians....

No, I understood what you meant. It's telling, though, that you don't know the difference between collectivists, progressives, statists, socialists, communists, fascists, and totalitarians.

Here's a hint. They're NOT THE SAME THING. Your credibility is damaged every time you equate them.

 

[manifold]

How the Fuck did this thread get to be almost 200 posts deep without getting moved to the romper room, where even the most blatantly partisan mod would have to agree it belongs?

 

[kwc57]

In order to be a Christian, you have to accept Christ as your personal savior. That is not rocket science. His Church is a black liberation theology church... they believe in collective salvation.

Personal salvation is not collective salvation. That's a fact. Whether Obama is a Christian, I neither know nor care.

So a Catholic is not a Christian since salvation comes thru baptism which usually occurs as an infant?

Idiot. Baptism has nothing to do with it. It is about accepting Christ as your personal savior.

Idiot. As a Baptist, I know that. You might want to study up on Catholicism and what they believe. To them, salvation is a process beginning with baptism into "the Church" which is the Body of Christ. Totally different from what you and I call personal salvation.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

You're welcome to believe whatever nonsense you like. Just don't expect anyone else to.

Obviously you don't understand what i mean when i say "borg"....

It means at the end of the day both Obama and Hillary are basically collectivists/progressives/statists/socialists/communists/fascists/totalitarians....

No, I understood what you meant. It's telling, though, that you don't know the difference between collectivists, progressives, statists, socialists, communists, fascists, and totalitarians.

Here's a hint. They're NOT THE SAME THING. Your credibility is damaged every time you equate them.

You're right....they are not the same thing exactly.....however they are all similar enough to be part of the borg....

You will never find free Americans part of the borg...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Obviously you don't understand what i mean when i say "borg"....

It means at the end of the day both Obama and Hillary are basically collectivists/progressives/statists/socialists/communists/fascists/totalitarians....

No, I understood what you meant. It's telling, though, that you don't know the difference between collectivists, progressives, statists, socialists, communists, fascists, and totalitarians.

Here's a hint. They're NOT THE SAME THING. Your credibility is damaged every time you equate them.

You're right....they are not the same thing exactly.....however they are all similar enough to be part of the borg....

You will never find free Americans part of the borg...

You don't know the differences, do you?

You should really learn what words mean before you try to use them.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

No, I understood what you meant. It's telling, though, that you don't know the difference between collectivists, progressives, statists, socialists, communists, fascists, and totalitarians.

Here's a hint. They're NOT THE SAME THING. Your credibility is damaged every time you equate them.

You're right....they are not the same thing exactly.....however they are all similar enough to be part of the borg....

You will never find free Americans part of the borg...

You don't know the differences, do you?

You should really learn what words mean before you try to use them.

Yes i do know the differences....do you?

Do you know the difference between the borg (with all its variations) and America?

 

[xotoxi]

How the Fuck did this thread get to be almost 200 posts deep without getting moved to the romper room, where even the most blatantly partisan mod would have to agree it belongs?

You are making an assumption that Gunny would agree it belongs there.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You're right....they are not the same thing exactly.....however they are all similar enough to be part of the borg....

You will never find free Americans part of the borg...

You don't know the differences, do you?

You should really learn what words mean before you try to use them.

Yes i do know the differences....do you?

Do you know the difference between the borg (with all its variations) and America?

Why don't you tell me what Obama has done, since he's been President, that has taken away any of your "freedoms"?