Is Obama Really this Stupid?

[G.T.]

Who should have a big say in that choice? The life that cannot defend itself and loses everything, or the life that uses it as a form of birth control?

The life that's in control of the decision. When you have to carry around an unwanted fetus around for 9 months, forced into painful childbirth and take care of it for 18 years. You can have a say... until then? STFU.

I know, I know... personal responsibility. Making that choice whether to keep or abort a fetus IS personal responsibility. Taking that choice away is Legislating morality. God gave us free will so that we can make our own choices, you do know this right?

Like I said...If anyone came to me for advice on this subject, I would urge them not to have an abortion. But this is a free country with real choices(and consequences). You want to skip through all of that and make that choice for other people that you have no idea who they are or what their life is like. That makes YOU an oppressor...no better than Stalin, Mao, or Hitler...at least on this particular subject.

The life that's in control of the decision. When you have to carry around an unwanted fetus around for 9 months, forced into painful childbirth and take care of it for 18 years. You can have a say... until then? STFU.

I want shut up maybe obama's mother should have had an abortion America would be better off.

^ you're just a sick psycho, dude. You prove it over and over.

With statements like this, do you REALLY think you look at the Birther issue with an even-minded logical approach? You're out of your gord.

 

[Steelplate]

Who should have a big say in that choice? The life that cannot defend itself and loses everything, or the life that uses it as a form of birth control?

The life that's in control of the decision. When you have to carry around an unwanted fetus around for 9 months, forced into painful childbirth and take care of it for 18 years. You can have a say... until then? STFU.

I know, I know... personal responsibility. Making that choice whether to keep or abort a fetus IS personal responsibility. Taking that choice away is Legislating morality. God gave us free will so that we can make our own choices, you do know this right?

Like I said...If anyone came to me for advice on this subject, I would urge them not to have an abortion. But this is a free country with real choices(and consequences). You want to skip through all of that and make that choice for other people that you have no idea who they are or what their life is like. That makes YOU an oppressor...no better than Stalin, Mao, or Hitler...at least on this particular subject.

The life that's in control of the decision. When you have to carry around an unwanted fetus around for 9 months, forced into painful childbirth and take care of it for 18 years. You can have a say... until then? STFU.

I want shut up maybe obama's mother should have had an abortion America would be better off.

wow... get beaten in a debate and go straight to slamming Obama... how typically and tellingly Conservative.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The life that's in control of the decision. When you have to carry around an unwanted fetus around for 9 months, forced into painful childbirth and take care of it for 18 years. You can have a say... until then? STFU.

I know, I know... personal responsibility. Making that choice whether to keep or abort a fetus IS personal responsibility. Taking that choice away is Legislating morality. God gave us free will so that we can make our own choices, you do know this right?

Like I said...If anyone came to me for advice on this subject, I would urge them not to have an abortion. But this is a free country with real choices(and consequences). You want to skip through all of that and make that choice for other people that you have no idea who they are or what their life is like. That makes YOU an oppressor...no better than Stalin, Mao, or Hitler...at least on this particular subject.

The life that's in control of the decision. When you have to carry around an unwanted fetus around for 9 months, forced into painful childbirth and take care of it for 18 years. You can have a say... until then? STFU.

I want shut up maybe obama's mother should have had an abortion America would be better off.

wow... get beaten in a debate and go straight to slamming Obama... how typically and tellingly Conservative.

It's not an attack just think if obama's mother had an abortion. your obama would not be here. So are you still as supportive of abortion with the taught of the next obama minutes away from being aborted?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The life that's in control of the decision. When you have to carry around an unwanted fetus around for 9 months, forced into painful childbirth and take care of it for 18 years. You can have a say... until then? STFU.

I know, I know... personal responsibility. Making that choice whether to keep or abort a fetus IS personal responsibility. Taking that choice away is Legislating morality. God gave us free will so that we can make our own choices, you do know this right?

Like I said...If anyone came to me for advice on this subject, I would urge them not to have an abortion. But this is a free country with real choices(and consequences). You want to skip through all of that and make that choice for other people that you have no idea who they are or what their life is like. That makes YOU an oppressor...no better than Stalin, Mao, or Hitler...at least on this particular subject.

The life that's in control of the decision. When you have to carry around an unwanted fetus around for 9 months, forced into painful childbirth and take care of it for 18 years. You can have a say... until then? STFU.

I want shut up maybe obama's mother should have had an abortion America would be better off.

^ you're just a sick psycho, dude. You prove it over and over.

With statements like this, do you REALLY think you look at the Birther issue with an even-minded logical approach? You're out of your gord.

If defending unborn children makes me a psycho I guess I would whether be that than a brain dead drone that has to be motivated to breath so they can vote for obama again.

 

[G.T.]

I want shut up maybe obama's mother should have had an abortion America would be better off.

^ you're just a sick psycho, dude. You prove it over and over.

With statements like this, do you REALLY think you look at the Birther issue with an even-minded logical approach? You're out of your gord.

If defending unborn children makes me a psycho I guess I would whether be that than a brain dead drone that has to be motivated to breath so they can vote for obama again.

you didnt defend unborn children, you wished an abortion on the President.

 

[California Girl]

i wonder how many Catholic women and men support their Church's stance on not using any birth control, not planning their children to be? no BC pills, no rubbers being used? There isn't a Catholic that I know, that supports the church's stance of ''no BC pills/no iud's, no diaphrams, no rubbers, no vasectomies, no tubes tied, no invitro fertilization etc''....just pregnancy, over and over and over and over and over and over again, no matter what.....

btw....it's my understanding that the health insurance policies offered by the insurance companies does not have a higher price with the birth control pill being covered vs not covered...... IS this true? Does anybody know?

The Church takes a much less rigid stance on some forms of birth control... those that stop conception. It is once conception has taken place that it is rigid.

The problem with the AHA is that it forces employers to cover things such as the morning after pill and abortion - both of which are absolutely against the beliefs of the Church.

 

[California Girl]

i wonder how many Catholic women and men support their Church's stance on not using any birth control, not planning their children to be? no BC pills, no rubbers being used? There isn't a Catholic that I know, that supports the church's stance of ''no BC pills/no iud's, no diaphrams, no rubbers, no vasectomies, no tubes tied, no invitro fertilization etc''....just pregnancy, over and over and over and over and over and over again, no matter what.....

btw....it's my understanding that the health insurance policies offered by the insurance companies does not have a higher price with the birth control pill being covered vs not covered...... IS this true? Does anybody know?

I read recently that 98% of Catholic women use or have used birth control.

The issue to me is that a secular institution can't dictate that their employees have sex only in the pursuit of reproduction. And these Catholic organizations are more secular than religious simply because they serve the general population. The churches themselves are exempt.

As I mentioned previously, the Church has a less rigid view on certain forms of birth control, that prevent conception. The line in the sand, for the Church, is post conception. Abortion and the Morning After pill are the other side of that line.

The Church cannot fund or provide coverage that includes those.

The sad thing, to me, is that Obama has waivered shedloads of companies but refuses to do likewise for the Church. That's hypocritical - particularly given what the Church does for this country.

 

[Ravi]

i wonder how many Catholic women and men support their Church's stance on not using any birth control, not planning their children to be? no BC pills, no rubbers being used? There isn't a Catholic that I know, that supports the church's stance of ''no BC pills/no iud's, no diaphrams, no rubbers, no vasectomies, no tubes tied, no invitro fertilization etc''....just pregnancy, over and over and over and over and over and over again, no matter what.....

btw....it's my understanding that the health insurance policies offered by the insurance companies does not have a higher price with the birth control pill being covered vs not covered...... IS this true? Does anybody know?

I read recently that 98% of Catholic women use or have used birth control.

The issue to me is that a secular institution can't dictate that their employees have sex only in the pursuit of reproduction. And these Catholic organizations are more secular than religious simply because they serve the general population. The churches themselves are exempt.

As I mentioned previously, the Church has a less rigid view on certain forms of birth control, that prevent conception. The line in the sand, for the Church, is post conception. Abortion and the Morning After pill are the other side of that line.

The Church cannot fund or provide coverage that includes those.

The sad thing, to me, is that Obama has waivered shedloads of companies but refuses to do likewise for the Church. That's hypocritical - particularly given what the Church does for this country.

Not sure what church you've been to lately but the Catholic church only approves of "natural" birth control, i.e. the rhythm method or chastity.

The Church received a waiver. Their institutions that serve a secular society did not.

The morning after pill works pre-conception, not post.

Do a little research.

 

[G.T.]

i wonder how many Catholic women and men support their Church's stance on not using any birth control, not planning their children to be? no BC pills, no rubbers being used? There isn't a Catholic that I know, that supports the church's stance of ''no BC pills/no iud's, no diaphrams, no rubbers, no vasectomies, no tubes tied, no invitro fertilization etc''....just pregnancy, over and over and over and over and over and over again, no matter what.....

btw....it's my understanding that the health insurance policies offered by the insurance companies does not have a higher price with the birth control pill being covered vs not covered...... IS this true? Does anybody know?

I read recently that 98% of Catholic women use or have used birth control.

The issue to me is that a secular institution can't dictate that their employees have sex only in the pursuit of reproduction. And these Catholic organizations are more secular than religious simply because they serve the general population. The churches themselves are exempt.

As I mentioned previously, the Church has a less rigid view on certain forms of birth control, that prevent conception. The line in the sand, for the Church, is post conception. Abortion and the Morning After pill are the other side of that line.

The Church cannot fund or provide coverage that includes those.

The sad thing, to me, is that Obama has waivered shedloads of companies but refuses to do likewise for the Church. That's hypocritical - particularly given what the Church does for this country.

I get why abortion is across their line, but the morning after pill? It doesn't necessarily end anything, there's not necessarily anything there to end.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

^ you're just a sick psycho, dude. You prove it over and over.

With statements like this, do you REALLY think you look at the Birther issue with an even-minded logical approach? You're out of your gord.

If defending unborn children makes me a psycho I guess I would whether be that than a brain dead drone that has to be motivated to breath so they can vote for obama again.

you didnt defend unborn children, you wished an abortion on the President.

Talk about not being the sharpest tool in the shed. When did I do that?
"obama was just an example used about an abortion," but you're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed to know wtf I'm actually talking abo0t, so g'day wreckless."

 

[Steelplate]

I want shut up maybe obama's mother should have had an abortion America would be better off.

wow... get beaten in a debate and go straight to slamming Obama... how typically and tellingly Conservative.

It's not an attack just think if obama's mother had an abortion. your obama would not be here. So are you still as supportive of abortion with the taught of the next obama minutes away from being aborted?

Or the next Jeffery Dahmer, or the next Adolph Hitler, or the next.....?

Makes you wonder how many monsters were aborted. I would think that the odds of someone turning out like a Dahmer is much more likely in an environment where they are unwanted and unloved, than it would having an Obama. I mean, you never know. But statistically... criminality and Sociopathic behavior is generally cultivated inside the childhood home.

 

[G.T.]

I read recently that 98% of Catholic women use or have used birth control.

The issue to me is that a secular institution can't dictate that their employees have sex only in the pursuit of reproduction. And these Catholic organizations are more secular than religious simply because they serve the general population. The churches themselves are exempt.

As I mentioned previously, the Church has a less rigid view on certain forms of birth control, that prevent conception. The line in the sand, for the Church, is post conception. Abortion and the Morning After pill are the other side of that line.

The Church cannot fund or provide coverage that includes those.

The sad thing, to me, is that Obama has waivered shedloads of companies but refuses to do likewise for the Church. That's hypocritical - particularly given what the Church does for this country.

Not sure what church you've been to lately but the Catholic church only approves of "natural" birth control, i.e. the rhythm method or chastity.

The Church received a waiver. Their institutions that serve a secular society did not.

The morning after pill works pre-conception, not post.

Do a little research.

lol the "rhythm method?"

holy shit, you must be a bit old? not an insult.

 

[California Girl]

Yes. Yes he is.

And this backlash hasnt even begun. This isnt just Catholics against this move, people of all faiths see this as governmental intrusion into the free exercise of religion. And this has united people from both sides of the isle.

I don't know whether it will effect the election this november. but it may have just started a grass roots movement like we haven't seen in nearly 50 years.

Yep, my understanding is that your Church has waded in - on our side. And the Jews. And Muslims. And many of the Protestant Churches. We are touched and grateful for their support.

 

[G.T.]

If defending unborn children makes me a psycho I guess I would whether be that than a brain dead drone that has to be motivated to breath so they can vote for obama again.

you didnt defend unborn children, you wished an abortion on the President.

Talk about not being the sharpest tool in the shed. When did I do that?
"obama was just an example used about an abortion," but you're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed to know wtf I'm actually talking abo0t, so g'day wreckless."

"I want shut up maybe obama's mother should have had an abortion America would be better off." -bigrebnc1775

 

[jillian]

Yes. Yes he is.

And this backlash hasnt even begun. This isnt just Catholics against this move, people of all faiths see this as governmental intrusion into the free exercise of religion. And this has united people from both sides of the isle.

I don't know whether it will effect the election this november. but it may have just started a grass roots movement like we haven't seen in nearly 50 years.

Yep, my understanding is that your Church has waded in - on our side. And the Jews. And Muslims. And many of the Protestant Churches. We are touched and grateful for their support.

there's not going to be a 'backlash'. no matter how much people who would never have voted for this president want there to be. there will ultimately be a compromise on the issue.

could be worse. he could be trying to force some guy to keep his brain dead wife alilve.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

you didnt defend unborn children, you wished an abortion on the President.

Talk about not being the sharpest tool in the shed. When did I do that?
"obama was just an example used about an abortion," but you're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed to know wtf I'm actually talking abo0t, so g'day wreckless."

"I want shut up maybe obama's mother should have had an abortion America would be better off." -bigrebnc1775

Hummm dully you need to hit the grinding wheel.

 

[G.T.]

Talk about not being the sharpest tool in the shed. When did I do that?
"obama was just an example used about an abortion," but you're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed to know wtf I'm actually talking abo0t, so g'day wreckless."

"I want shut up maybe obama's mother should have had an abortion America would be better off." -bigrebnc1775

Hummm dully you need to hit the grinding wheel.

Why maybe? Are you afraid to say one way or the other?

 

[Intense]

I read recently that 98% of Catholic women use or have used birth control.

The issue to me is that a secular institution can't dictate that their employees have sex only in the pursuit of reproduction. And these Catholic organizations are more secular than religious simply because they serve the general population. The churches themselves are exempt.

As I mentioned previously, the Church has a less rigid view on certain forms of birth control, that prevent conception. The line in the sand, for the Church, is post conception. Abortion and the Morning After pill are the other side of that line.

The Church cannot fund or provide coverage that includes those.

The sad thing, to me, is that Obama has waivered shedloads of companies but refuses to do likewise for the Church. That's hypocritical - particularly given what the Church does for this country.

Not sure what church you've been to lately but the Catholic church only approves of "natural" birth control, i.e. the rhythm method or chastity.

The Church received a waiver. Their institutions that serve a secular society did not.

The morning after pill works pre-conception, not post.

Do a little research.

Not sure what church you've been to lately but the Catholic church only approves of "natural" birth control, i.e. the rhythm method or chastity.

La-La La-La-La...... I can't hear you.

Hint. ..... It's called Confession Ravi. Every Catholic Girls Escape Clause.

 

[California Girl]

I read recently that 98% of Catholic women use or have used birth control.

The issue to me is that a secular institution can't dictate that their employees have sex only in the pursuit of reproduction. And these Catholic organizations are more secular than religious simply because they serve the general population. The churches themselves are exempt.

As I mentioned previously, the Church has a less rigid view on certain forms of birth control, that prevent conception. The line in the sand, for the Church, is post conception. Abortion and the Morning After pill are the other side of that line.

The Church cannot fund or provide coverage that includes those.

The sad thing, to me, is that Obama has waivered shedloads of companies but refuses to do likewise for the Church. That's hypocritical - particularly given what the Church does for this country.

Not sure what church you've been to lately but the Catholic church only approves of "natural" birth control, i.e. the rhythm method or chastity.

The Church received a waiver. Their institutions that serve a secular society did not.

The morning after pill works pre-conception, not post.

Do a little research.

I've been to the Catholic Church, as always. I didn't say the Church 'approves', I said they take a less rigid view of certain forms. But, hey, thanks for misreading my post to make some pointless point.

I find it sad that some people are so blinkered that they don't care about our secular work. The billions of dollars that the Catholic Church provides to support the poor - the ones that the left claim to care so much about.... There is no other organization in the country that does as much as we do... using our own financial resources (ie, my money) so that you are not burdened.

I suggest you also do some research.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"I want shut up maybe obama's mother should have had an abortion America would be better off." -bigrebnc1775

Hummm dully you need to hit the grinding wheel.

Why maybe? Are you afraid to say one way or the other?

oh now it's why maybe? but saying maybe is not saying I wished obama's mother would have had an abortion. "but you're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed to know wtf I'm actually talking abo0t, so g'day wreckless."