Is Politicizing Tragedy Wrong?

[iceberg]

So what is your point? (One sentence should be sufficient.)

"i hate guns so you should too and don't give me counter arguments cause those are stupid".

that sums up what he blithered.

 

[iceberg]

So what is your point? (One sentence should be sufficient.)

His point is that he chooses to politicize gun tragedies to suit his agenda, hence the links in the OP, but doesn't want others to do it, duh.

Definition of hypocrite

1. 1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
   
   
2. 2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

And an example of how some on this forum deflect and use a variety of tactics to avoid talking about reality.

the reality is that the manner in which he set this up *is* hypocritical.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS BUT ONLY IF YOU AGREE WITH ME....

 

[frigidweirdo]

So what is your point? (One sentence should be sufficient.)

His point is that he chooses to politicize gun tragedies to suit his agenda, hence the links in the OP, but doesn't want others to do it, duh.

Definition of hypocrite

1. 1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
   
   
2. 2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

And an example of how some on this forum deflect and use a variety of tactics to avoid talking about reality.

the reality is that the manner in which he set this up *is* hypocritical.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS BUT ONLY IF YOU AGREE WITH ME....

No, I disagree. He stated his point of view, and you have the ability to write your opposing view.

If you see ghosts where there aren't any, that doesn't make the OP hypocritical.

 

[iceberg]

So what is your point? (One sentence should be sufficient.)

His point is that he chooses to politicize gun tragedies to suit his agenda, hence the links in the OP, but doesn't want others to do it, duh.

Definition of hypocrite

1. 1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
   
   
2. 2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

And an example of how some on this forum deflect and use a variety of tactics to avoid talking about reality.

the reality is that the manner in which he set this up *is* hypocritical.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS BUT ONLY IF YOU AGREE WITH ME....

No, I disagree. He stated his point of view, and you have the ability to write your opposing view.

If you see ghosts where there aren't any, that doesn't make the OP hypocritical.

unless he's the one seeing the ghosts.

 

[Crixus]

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Before replying to just the title, read the OP, it's not what you think.

People of reason look upon gun deaths as tragic. But as we have often observed, that is not always the case with conservatives. They, more often than not, use the news report as an opportunity to push their agenda to deregulate gun sales, open carry, and their opposition to background checks.

However, in the past, I have been “reprimanded” by Second Amendment fanatics (the majority of which are conservatives) for “politicizing a tragedy” with OPs that have advocated sensible gun regulations.

But, after decades of the NRA pumping millions-of-dollars into political candidates’ campaigns who oppose common sense gun laws, how can gun deaths and the need for common sense gun regulations be anything but political?

For example, just a few days ago, an eighteen-year-old received a gun from his girlfriend’s father as a graduation present. The youth was considered experienced in handling fire arms. Unfortunately, within a short period of hours, while he treated the weapon like a toy, he shot and killed his girlfriend. An innocent victim of carelessness killed by a “responsible” gun owner.

As so often happens, we have another tragic gun death caused by an individual who was considered, by himself and those around him, responsible with guns. And Second Amendment fanatics still want guns in the hands of as many people as possible.

It is alarming the frequency of reports of responsible gun owners leaving their “toys” out in the open, fully loaded, for small children to find, and results in a death or serious injury. Like the news articles concerning women who have been shot with their own guns by their own small children. The innocent victims of carelessness here are the children. They will always remember they either killed or wounded their own mothers.

Incidents like those above happen with alarming regularity. Much, much more often that a good-guy-with-a-gun saves a life.

However, when it come to politicizing a tragedy, conservatives are selective in their criticism. They will defend the Big Orange Head’s politicizing of the London terror attack yesterday. Rather than show some class and humility and offer comfort and support, Big Orange used this attack to tout his travel ban, push the courts to reinstate it, and use a lie to condemn London’s mayor, once again embarrassing the American people.

The comments in this OP are based on the articles at the links below.

It is expected the conservatives' responses will be their typical BS, because they will ignore the facts at these links, choosing, as they always do, to selectively apply their double-standards.

Tenn. teen accidentally kills girlfriend with graduation present

Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off, killing mom

Pro-gun Jamie Gilt is shot by her four-year-old son in Putnam County, Florida | Daily Mail Online

Incidents of toddlers shooting others or themselves increasing, data shows

US embassy in London directly contradicts Trump's Twitter attack on London's mayor

And the following link contradicts every reason and excuse offered up by Second Amendment fanatics and the NRA:

What Trump Doesn't Understand About Gun Control in Great Britain

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Hmm. Well this post is all over the place. Comes off like some kind of hate trump/Fudd coming out of the closet type thing. I'll go directly to your professional gun handling 18 year old. You were sloppy with this one. More 18 year old kids are killed because they were given car keys. Kids kill more people with cars then anything else. Your comments on this are indefensible, worn out and old.

 

[Crixus]

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Before replying to just the title, read the OP, it's not what you think.

People of reason look upon gun deaths as tragic. But as we have often observed, that is not always the case with conservatives. They, more often than not, use the news report as an opportunity to push their agenda to deregulate gun sales, open carry, and their opposition to background checks.

However, in the past, I have been “reprimanded” by Second Amendment fanatics (the majority of which are conservatives) for “politicizing a tragedy” with OPs that have advocated sensible gun regulations.

But, after decades of the NRA pumping millions-of-dollars into political candidates’ campaigns who oppose common sense gun laws, how can gun deaths and the need for common sense gun regulations be anything but political?

For example, just a few days ago, an eighteen-year-old received a gun from his girlfriend’s father as a graduation present. The youth was considered experienced in handling fire arms. Unfortunately, within a short period of hours, while he treated the weapon like a toy, he shot and killed his girlfriend. An innocent victim of carelessness killed by a “responsible” gun owner.

As so often happens, we have another tragic gun death caused by an individual who was considered, by himself and those around him, responsible with guns. And Second Amendment fanatics still want guns in the hands of as many people as possible.

It is alarming the frequency of reports of responsible gun owners leaving their “toys” out in the open, fully loaded, for small children to find, and results in a death or serious injury. Like the news articles concerning women who have been shot with their own guns by their own small children. The innocent victims of carelessness here are the children. They will always remember they either killed or wounded their own mothers.

Incidents like those above happen with alarming regularity. Much, much more often that a good-guy-with-a-gun saves a life.

However, when it come to politicizing a tragedy, conservatives are selective in their criticism. They will defend the Big Orange Head’s politicizing of the London terror attack yesterday. Rather than show some class and humility and offer comfort and support, Big Orange used this attack to tout his travel ban, push the courts to reinstate it, and use a lie to condemn London’s mayor, once again embarrassing the American people.

The comments in this OP are based on the articles at the links below.

It is expected the conservatives' responses will be their typical BS, because they will ignore the facts at these links, choosing, as they always do, to selectively apply their double-standards.

Tenn. teen accidentally kills girlfriend with graduation present

Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off, killing mom

Pro-gun Jamie Gilt is shot by her four-year-old son in Putnam County, Florida | Daily Mail Online

Incidents of toddlers shooting others or themselves increasing, data shows

US embassy in London directly contradicts Trump's Twitter attack on London's mayor

And the following link contradicts every reason and excuse offered up by Second Amendment fanatics and the NRA:

What Trump Doesn't Understand About Gun Control in Great Britain

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


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When you start a sentence .. What Trump doesn't understand _________ the list is endless.
This was never the case with President Obama.

President Obama is a major reason that we now have president Trump.

The only reason.

 

[Iceweasel]

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Before replying to just the title, read the OP, it's not what you think.

People of reason look upon gun deaths as tragic. But as we have often observed, that is not always the case with conservatives. They, more often than not, use the news report as an opportunity to push their agenda to deregulate gun sales, open carry, and their opposition to background checks.

I didn't read your garbage past that. It's the left that consistently politicizes tragic events. When someone murders somebody the left cries out against the gun. When we respond we are politicizing? That's sheer stupidity but it's consistent with the left. They attack and cry out in horror if we dare respond.

 

[Iceweasel]

While painfully tragic, each of those incidences were not responsible gun ownership IMO

Completely right, but the right fought for each of them to have as many guns as they wanted right up until they killed someone. The term responsible gun owner wasn't accurately applied to all of those listed, was it?

Liar. We support gun rights for all law abiding citizens.

 

[Correll]

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Before replying to just the title, read the OP, it's not what you think.

People of reason look upon gun deaths as tragic. But as we have often observed, that is not always the case with conservatives. They, more often than not, use the news report as an opportunity to push their agenda to deregulate gun sales, open carry, and their opposition to background checks.

However, in the past, I have been “reprimanded” by Second Amendment fanatics (the majority of which are conservatives) for “politicizing a tragedy” with OPs that have advocated sensible gun regulations.

But, after decades of the NRA pumping millions-of-dollars into political candidates’ campaigns who oppose common sense gun laws, how can gun deaths and the need for common sense gun regulations be anything but political?

For example, just a few days ago, an eighteen-year-old received a gun from his girlfriend’s father as a graduation present. The youth was considered experienced in handling fire arms. Unfortunately, within a short period of hours, while he treated the weapon like a toy, he shot and killed his girlfriend. An innocent victim of carelessness killed by a “responsible” gun owner.

As so often happens, we have another tragic gun death caused by an individual who was considered, by himself and those around him, responsible with guns. And Second Amendment fanatics still want guns in the hands of as many people as possible.

It is alarming the frequency of reports of responsible gun owners leaving their “toys” out in the open, fully loaded, for small children to find, and results in a death or serious injury. Like the news articles concerning women who have been shot with their own guns by their own small children. The innocent victims of carelessness here are the children. They will always remember they either killed or wounded their own mothers.

Incidents like those above happen with alarming regularity. Much, much more often that a good-guy-with-a-gun saves a life.....


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Ok I stopped reading here, the shit got too deep.


My answer.

Both sides "politicize" tragedy all the time. And it is often in poor taste.

ON THE OTHER hand, quite often the tragedies are CAUSED by POLICIES, and there is no better time to discuss the results of those policies then right after we see some major results.


FOR example the recent spate of mass murders in England, caused by importing large numbers of hostile aliens, into their homeland.

Seems that it is WAY PAST time for a serious discussion on that policy.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So what is your point? (One sentence should be sufficient.)

His point is that he chooses to politicize gun tragedies to suit his agenda, hence the links in the OP, but doesn't want others to do it, duh.

Definition of hypocrite

1. 1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
   
   
2. 2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

And an example of how some on this forum deflect and use a variety of tactics to avoid talking about reality.

the reality is that the manner in which he set this up *is* hypocritical.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS BUT ONLY IF YOU AGREE WITH ME....

No, I disagree. He stated his point of view, and you have the ability to write your opposing view.

If you see ghosts where there aren't any, that doesn't make the OP hypocritical.

unless he's the one seeing the ghosts.

Well, it would appear to me that you're the one seeing the ghosts. He wrote his opinion in an OP, you can do with that what you will. But you're complaining that somehow you're being forced into something... which I don't see at all.

 

[oreo]

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Before replying to just the title, read the OP, it's not what you think.

People of reason look upon gun deaths as tragic. But as we have often observed, that is not always the case with conservatives. They, more often than not, use the news report as an opportunity to push their agenda to deregulate gun sales, open carry, and their opposition to background checks.

However, in the past, I have been “reprimanded” by Second Amendment fanatics (the majority of which are conservatives) for “politicizing a tragedy” with OPs that have advocated sensible gun regulations.

But, after decades of the NRA pumping millions-of-dollars into political candidates’ campaigns who oppose common sense gun laws, how can gun deaths and the need for common sense gun regulations be anything but political?

For example, just a few days ago, an eighteen-year-old received a gun from his girlfriend’s father as a graduation present. The youth was considered experienced in handling fire arms. Unfortunately, within a short period of hours, while he treated the weapon like a toy, he shot and killed his girlfriend. An innocent victim of carelessness killed by a “responsible” gun owner.

As so often happens, we have another tragic gun death caused by an individual who was considered, by himself and those around him, responsible with guns. And Second Amendment fanatics still want guns in the hands of as many people as possible.

It is alarming the frequency of reports of responsible gun owners leaving their “toys” out in the open, fully loaded, for small children to find, and results in a death or serious injury. Like the news articles concerning women who have been shot with their own guns by their own small children. The innocent victims of carelessness here are the children. They will always remember they either killed or wounded their own mothers.

Incidents like those above happen with alarming regularity. Much, much more often that a good-guy-with-a-gun saves a life.

However, when it come to politicizing a tragedy, conservatives are selective in their criticism. They will defend the Big Orange Head’s politicizing of the London terror attack yesterday. Rather than show some class and humility and offer comfort and support, Big Orange used this attack to tout his travel ban, push the courts to reinstate it, and use a lie to condemn London’s mayor, once again embarrassing the American people.

The comments in this OP are based on the articles at the links below.

It is expected the conservatives' responses will be their typical BS, because they will ignore the facts at these links, choosing, as they always do, to selectively apply their double-standards.

Tenn. teen accidentally kills girlfriend with graduation present

Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off, killing mom

Pro-gun Jamie Gilt is shot by her four-year-old son in Putnam County, Florida | Daily Mail Online

Incidents of toddlers shooting others or themselves increasing, data shows

US embassy in London directly contradicts Trump's Twitter attack on London's mayor

And the following link contradicts every reason and excuse offered up by Second Amendment fanatics and the NRA:

What Trump Doesn't Understand About Gun Control in Great Britain

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You're not alone by any means by your thinking. A lot of the right wing are motivated by fear. The 2nd amendment is constantly used. Someone proposes background checks--to them--that means someone is going to confiscate their guns. Politicians and gun lobbyists play into this fear mongering.

In fact- that's how Trump got elected--a lot of fear mongering. Here is a great article regarding this.

1. Hypersensitivity to Threat

Science has unequivocally shown that the conservative brain has an exaggerated fear response when faced with stimuli that may be perceived as threatening. A classic study in the journal Science found that conservatives have a stronger physiological reaction to startling noises and graphic images compared to liberals. A brain-imaging study published in Current Biology revealed that those who lean right politically tend to have a larger amygdala — a structure that is electrically active during states of fear and anxiety. And a 2014 fMRI study found that it is possible to predict whether someone is a liberal or conservative simply by looking at their brain activity while they view threatening or disgusting images, such as mutilated bodies. Specifically, the brains of self-identified conservatives generated more activity overall in response to the disturbing images.

So how does this help explain the unbridled loyalty of Trump supporters? These brain responses are automatic, and not influenced by logic or reason. As long as Trump continues his fear mongering by constantly portraying Muslims and Mexican immigrants as imminent dangers, many conservative brains will involuntarily light up like light bulbs being controlled by a switch. Fear keeps his followers energized and focused on safety. And when you think you’ve found your protector, you become less concerned with remarks that would normally be seen as highly offensive.
A neuroscientist explains what may be wrong with Trump supporters’ brains

There is much more in the linked article regarding this.

But the good news is 9 out of 10 gun owners want background checks, including extended checks for mental health issues. The bad news is Republican politicians will still fight background checks, especially extended background checks for mental health to satiate their supporters and gun lobbyists.
9 in 10 back universal gun background checks

So as we see London or anywhere else has a terrorist attack--Trump will use it to promote his Muslim ban--that he refers to as a Travel ban--& a reason that the US Supreme court should pass it immediately.

I thought it funny that the author of Harry Potter books, JR Rowlings replied in a tweet regarding Trump's comments.

"It's called 'leadership', Donald. The terrorists were dead 8 minutes after police got the call. If we need an alarmist blowhard, we'll call."
JK Rowling takes down President Trump over his London attack tweets

 

[iceberg]

His point is that he chooses to politicize gun tragedies to suit his agenda, hence the links in the OP, but doesn't want others to do it, duh.

Definition of hypocrite

1. 1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
   
   
2. 2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

And an example of how some on this forum deflect and use a variety of tactics to avoid talking about reality.

the reality is that the manner in which he set this up *is* hypocritical.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS BUT ONLY IF YOU AGREE WITH ME....

No, I disagree. He stated his point of view, and you have the ability to write your opposing view.

If you see ghosts where there aren't any, that doesn't make the OP hypocritical.

unless he's the one seeing the ghosts.

Well, it would appear to me that you're the one seeing the ghosts. He wrote his opinion in an OP, you can do with that what you will. But you're complaining that somehow you're being forced into something... which I don't see at all.

not seeing anything at all. from the tone of his post he didn't want a debate or to discuss this - he wanted people to agree with him.

title of thread - is politicizing a tragedy wrong?

from his post:
People of reason look upon gun deaths as tragic. But as we have often observed, that is not always the case with conservatives. They, more often than not, use the news report as an opportunity to push their agenda to deregulate gun sales, open carry, and their opposition to background checks.

my reply:
why bother? "people of reason agree with me" is what he said. he said the "other side" will use these as an opportunity to rile up the pro-gun crowd while completely dismissing obama getting on TV after every shooting BEGGING for more gun laws.

we have enough laws, they're simply not enforced. opposition to background checks? who? WHO opposes them? the "gun show law" is minor in comparison and meant for the 1-off sale of a gun more easily that's it. if anyone is using it as a loophole - arrest them with laws we already have.

to say *one side* uses a tragedy to push their agenda is bullshit.

his post:
For example, just a few days ago, an eighteen-year-old received a gun from his girlfriend’s father as a graduation present. The youth was considered experienced in handling fire arms. Unfortunately, within a short period of hours, while he treated the weapon like a toy, he shot and killed his girlfriend. An innocent victim of carelessness killed by a “responsible” gun owner.

As so often happens, we have another tragic gun death caused by an individual who was considered, by himself and those around him, responsible with guns. And Second Amendment fanatics still want guns in the hands of as many people as possible.

my reply:
how in the holy hell do you put these 2 together? who used this incident to push for MORE guns? NO ONE but his own mindset it would seem.

his post:
It is alarming the frequency of reports of responsible gun owners leaving their “toys” out in the open, fully loaded, for small children to find, and results in a death or serious injury. Like the news articles concerning women who have been shot with their own guns by their own small children. The innocent victims of carelessness here are the children. They will always remember they either killed or wounded their own mothers.

Incidents like those above happen with alarming regularity. Much, much more often that a good-guy-with-a-gun saves a life.

my reply:
emo-driven bullshit. no links to back up his emo's, no facts to support his views, just well placed words like "innocent" "mothers" "children" and the like to prop up something void of facts.

and finally - one more of his posts:
It is expected the conservatives' responses will be their typical BS, because they will ignore the facts at these links, choosing, as they always do, to selectively apply their double-standards.

my reply:
then why bother opening up a discussion if you already know what will happen? he didn't provide a single fact or analysis of his own links, just put THIS SUCKS out there for all to..."debate".

its an emo-play by an emotionally bound person on this topic. nothing more.

 

[BluesLegend]

European socialism can never work over here... because it can't work anywhere

We fought 2 wars and killed a bunch of UK socialist scum to secure our freedom from it.

 

[iceberg]

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Before replying to just the title, read the OP, it's not what you think.

People of reason look upon gun deaths as tragic. But as we have often observed, that is not always the case with conservatives. They, more often than not, use the news report as an opportunity to push their agenda to deregulate gun sales, open carry, and their opposition to background checks.

However, in the past, I have been “reprimanded” by Second Amendment fanatics (the majority of which are conservatives) for “politicizing a tragedy” with OPs that have advocated sensible gun regulations.

But, after decades of the NRA pumping millions-of-dollars into political candidates’ campaigns who oppose common sense gun laws, how can gun deaths and the need for common sense gun regulations be anything but political?

For example, just a few days ago, an eighteen-year-old received a gun from his girlfriend’s father as a graduation present. The youth was considered experienced in handling fire arms. Unfortunately, within a short period of hours, while he treated the weapon like a toy, he shot and killed his girlfriend. An innocent victim of carelessness killed by a “responsible” gun owner.

As so often happens, we have another tragic gun death caused by an individual who was considered, by himself and those around him, responsible with guns. And Second Amendment fanatics still want guns in the hands of as many people as possible.

It is alarming the frequency of reports of responsible gun owners leaving their “toys” out in the open, fully loaded, for small children to find, and results in a death or serious injury. Like the news articles concerning women who have been shot with their own guns by their own small children. The innocent victims of carelessness here are the children. They will always remember they either killed or wounded their own mothers.

Incidents like those above happen with alarming regularity. Much, much more often that a good-guy-with-a-gun saves a life.

However, when it come to politicizing a tragedy, conservatives are selective in their criticism. They will defend the Big Orange Head’s politicizing of the London terror attack yesterday. Rather than show some class and humility and offer comfort and support, Big Orange used this attack to tout his travel ban, push the courts to reinstate it, and use a lie to condemn London’s mayor, once again embarrassing the American people.

The comments in this OP are based on the articles at the links below.

It is expected the conservatives' responses will be their typical BS, because they will ignore the facts at these links, choosing, as they always do, to selectively apply their double-standards.

Tenn. teen accidentally kills girlfriend with graduation present

Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off, killing mom

Pro-gun Jamie Gilt is shot by her four-year-old son in Putnam County, Florida | Daily Mail Online

Incidents of toddlers shooting others or themselves increasing, data shows

US embassy in London directly contradicts Trump's Twitter attack on London's mayor

And the following link contradicts every reason and excuse offered up by Second Amendment fanatics and the NRA:

What Trump Doesn't Understand About Gun Control in Great Britain

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


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You're not alone by any means by your thinking. A lot of the right wing are motivated by fear. The 2nd amendment is constantly used. Someone proposes background checks--to them--that means someone is going to confiscate their guns. Politicians and gun lobbyists play into this fear mongering.

In fact- that's how Trump got elected--a lot of fear mongering. Here is a great article regarding this.

1. Hypersensitivity to Threat

Science has unequivocally shown that the conservative brain has an exaggerated fear response when faced with stimuli that may be perceived as threatening. A classic study in the journal Science found that conservatives have a stronger physiological reaction to startling noises and graphic images compared to liberals. A brain-imaging study published in Current Biology revealed that those who lean right politically tend to have a larger amygdala — a structure that is electrically active during states of fear and anxiety. And a 2014 fMRI study found that it is possible to predict whether someone is a liberal or conservative simply by looking at their brain activity while they view threatening or disgusting images, such as mutilated bodies. Specifically, the brains of self-identified conservatives generated more activity overall in response to the disturbing images.

So how does this help explain the unbridled loyalty of Trump supporters? These brain responses are automatic, and not influenced by logic or reason. As long as Trump continues his fear mongering by constantly portraying Muslims and Mexican immigrants as imminent dangers, many conservative brains will involuntarily light up like light bulbs being controlled by a switch. Fear keeps his followers energized and focused on safety. And when you think you’ve found your protector, you become less concerned with remarks that would normally be seen as highly offensive.
A neuroscientist explains what may be wrong with Trump supporters’ brains

There is much more in the linked article regarding this.

But the good news is 9 out of 10 gun owners want background checks, including extended checks for mental health issues. The bad news is Republican politicians will still fight background checks, especially extended background checks for mental health to satiate their supporters and gun lobbyists.
9 in 10 back universal gun background checks

and now you see 90% of the gun owners *support* background checks. what they DO NOT support is the loss of "due process" by using the no-fly lists and other "bogus" lists to remove rights from people w/o the process of law.

the NRA said "put due process into these and we're fine with background checks" - so why does the left NOT want due process in this?
The Problems With Using The Terrorist Watch List To Ban Gun Sales

they flat out say DUE PROCESS IS KILLING US
Manchin: Due process is 'killing us right now' in gun debate

so you tell me - why is the left so unreasonable in this?

it ain't just the right who doesn't want to dance in the middle.

 

[jasonnfree]

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Before replying to just the title, read the OP, it's not what you think.

People of reason look upon gun deaths as tragic. But as we have often observed, that is not always the case with conservatives. They, more often than not, use the news report as an opportunity to push their agenda to deregulate gun sales, open carry, and their opposition to background checks.

However, in the past, I have been “reprimanded” by Second Amendment fanatics (the majority of which are conservatives) for “politicizing a tragedy” with OPs that have advocated sensible gun regulations.

But, after decades of the NRA pumping millions-of-dollars into political candidates’ campaigns who oppose common sense gun laws, how can gun deaths and the need for common sense gun regulations be anything but political?

For example, just a few days ago, an eighteen-year-old received a gun from his girlfriend’s father as a graduation present. The youth was considered experienced in handling fire arms. Unfortunately, within a short period of hours, while he treated the weapon like a toy, he shot and killed his girlfriend. An innocent victim of carelessness killed by a “responsible” gun owner.

As so often happens, we have another tragic gun death caused by an individual who was considered, by himself and those around him, responsible with guns. And Second Amendment fanatics still want guns in the hands of as many people as possible.

It is alarming the frequency of reports of responsible gun owners leaving their “toys” out in the open, fully loaded, for small children to find, and results in a death or serious injury. Like the news articles concerning women who have been shot with their own guns by their own small children. The innocent victims of carelessness here are the children. They will always remember they either killed or wounded their own mothers.

Incidents like those above happen with alarming regularity. Much, much more often that a good-guy-with-a-gun saves a life.

However, when it come to politicizing a tragedy, conservatives are selective in their criticism. They will defend the Big Orange Head’s politicizing of the London terror attack yesterday. Rather than show some class and humility and offer comfort and support, Big Orange used this attack to tout his travel ban, push the courts to reinstate it, and use a lie to condemn London’s mayor, once again embarrassing the American people.

The comments in this OP are based on the articles at the links below.

It is expected the conservatives' responses will be their typical BS, because they will ignore the facts at these links, choosing, as they always do, to selectively apply their double-standards.

Tenn. teen accidentally kills girlfriend with graduation present

Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off, killing mom

Pro-gun Jamie Gilt is shot by her four-year-old son in Putnam County, Florida | Daily Mail Online

Incidents of toddlers shooting others or themselves increasing, data shows

US embassy in London directly contradicts Trump's Twitter attack on London's mayor

And the following link contradicts every reason and excuse offered up by Second Amendment fanatics and the NRA:

What Trump Doesn't Understand About Gun Control in Great Britain

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The Brits already capitulated on guns, but then they never had the right to gun ownership like Americans do. With hundreds of millions of people in this country there will be a certain amount of gun tragedies. This is the law of averages. What most of us worry about, and one of the reason we voted for Trump, is the mass importation of muslims into this country which will greatly increase terrorism and violence as sure as night follows day. It may be too late for the British subjects (not citizens), since they allowed themselves to be disarmed and to have their country taken over by 7th century muslim retrogrades. It's not too late for millions of Americans who love their country and put their trust in the 2nd Amendment and President Trump.

 

[JoeMoma]

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Before replying to just the title, read the OP, it's not what you think.

People of reason look upon gun deaths as tragic. But as we have often observed, that is not always the case with conservatives. They, more often than not, use the news report as an opportunity to push their agenda to deregulate gun sales, open carry, and their opposition to background checks.

However, in the past, I have been “reprimanded” by Second Amendment fanatics (the majority of which are conservatives) for “politicizing a tragedy” with OPs that have advocated sensible gun regulations.

But, after decades of the NRA pumping millions-of-dollars into political candidates’ campaigns who oppose common sense gun laws, how can gun deaths and the need for common sense gun regulations be anything but political?

For example, just a few days ago, an eighteen-year-old received a gun from his girlfriend’s father as a graduation present. The youth was considered experienced in handling fire arms. Unfortunately, within a short period of hours, while he treated the weapon like a toy, he shot and killed his girlfriend. An innocent victim of carelessness killed by a “responsible” gun owner.

As so often happens, we have another tragic gun death caused by an individual who was considered, by himself and those around him, responsible with guns. And Second Amendment fanatics still want guns in the hands of as many people as possible.

It is alarming the frequency of reports of responsible gun owners leaving their “toys” out in the open, fully loaded, for small children to find, and results in a death or serious injury. Like the news articles concerning women who have been shot with their own guns by their own small children. The innocent victims of carelessness here are the children. They will always remember they either killed or wounded their own mothers.

Incidents like those above happen with alarming regularity. Much, much more often that a good-guy-with-a-gun saves a life.

However, when it come to politicizing a tragedy, conservatives are selective in their criticism. They will defend the Big Orange Head’s politicizing of the London terror attack yesterday. Rather than show some class and humility and offer comfort and support, Big Orange used this attack to tout his travel ban, push the courts to reinstate it, and use a lie to condemn London’s mayor, once again embarrassing the American people.

The comments in this OP are based on the articles at the links below.

It is expected the conservatives' responses will be their typical BS, because they will ignore the facts at these links, choosing, as they always do, to selectively apply their double-standards.

Tenn. teen accidentally kills girlfriend with graduation present

Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off, killing mom

Pro-gun Jamie Gilt is shot by her four-year-old son in Putnam County, Florida | Daily Mail Online

Incidents of toddlers shooting others or themselves increasing, data shows

US embassy in London directly contradicts Trump's Twitter attack on London's mayor

And the following link contradicts every reason and excuse offered up by Second Amendment fanatics and the NRA:

What Trump Doesn't Understand About Gun Control in Great Britain

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When you start a sentence .. What Trump doesn't understand _________ the list is endless.
This was never the case with President Obama.

President Obama is a major reason that we now have president Trump.

The only reason.

Not quite, Hillary Clinton is another reason.

 

[oreo]

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Before replying to just the title, read the OP, it's not what you think.

People of reason look upon gun deaths as tragic. But as we have often observed, that is not always the case with conservatives. They, more often than not, use the news report as an opportunity to push their agenda to deregulate gun sales, open carry, and their opposition to background checks.

However, in the past, I have been “reprimanded” by Second Amendment fanatics (the majority of which are conservatives) for “politicizing a tragedy” with OPs that have advocated sensible gun regulations.

But, after decades of the NRA pumping millions-of-dollars into political candidates’ campaigns who oppose common sense gun laws, how can gun deaths and the need for common sense gun regulations be anything but political?

For example, just a few days ago, an eighteen-year-old received a gun from his girlfriend’s father as a graduation present. The youth was considered experienced in handling fire arms. Unfortunately, within a short period of hours, while he treated the weapon like a toy, he shot and killed his girlfriend. An innocent victim of carelessness killed by a “responsible” gun owner.

As so often happens, we have another tragic gun death caused by an individual who was considered, by himself and those around him, responsible with guns. And Second Amendment fanatics still want guns in the hands of as many people as possible.

It is alarming the frequency of reports of responsible gun owners leaving their “toys” out in the open, fully loaded, for small children to find, and results in a death or serious injury. Like the news articles concerning women who have been shot with their own guns by their own small children. The innocent victims of carelessness here are the children. They will always remember they either killed or wounded their own mothers.

Incidents like those above happen with alarming regularity. Much, much more often that a good-guy-with-a-gun saves a life.

However, when it come to politicizing a tragedy, conservatives are selective in their criticism. They will defend the Big Orange Head’s politicizing of the London terror attack yesterday. Rather than show some class and humility and offer comfort and support, Big Orange used this attack to tout his travel ban, push the courts to reinstate it, and use a lie to condemn London’s mayor, once again embarrassing the American people.

The comments in this OP are based on the articles at the links below.

It is expected the conservatives' responses will be their typical BS, because they will ignore the facts at these links, choosing, as they always do, to selectively apply their double-standards.

Tenn. teen accidentally kills girlfriend with graduation present

Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off, killing mom

Pro-gun Jamie Gilt is shot by her four-year-old son in Putnam County, Florida | Daily Mail Online

Incidents of toddlers shooting others or themselves increasing, data shows

US embassy in London directly contradicts Trump's Twitter attack on London's mayor

And the following link contradicts every reason and excuse offered up by Second Amendment fanatics and the NRA:

What Trump Doesn't Understand About Gun Control in Great Britain

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You're not alone by any means by your thinking. A lot of the right wing are motivated by fear. The 2nd amendment is constantly used. Someone proposes background checks--to them--that means someone is going to confiscate their guns. Politicians and gun lobbyists play into this fear mongering.

In fact- that's how Trump got elected--a lot of fear mongering. Here is a great article regarding this.

1. Hypersensitivity to Threat

Science has unequivocally shown that the conservative brain has an exaggerated fear response when faced with stimuli that may be perceived as threatening. A classic study in the journal Science found that conservatives have a stronger physiological reaction to startling noises and graphic images compared to liberals. A brain-imaging study published in Current Biology revealed that those who lean right politically tend to have a larger amygdala — a structure that is electrically active during states of fear and anxiety. And a 2014 fMRI study found that it is possible to predict whether someone is a liberal or conservative simply by looking at their brain activity while they view threatening or disgusting images, such as mutilated bodies. Specifically, the brains of self-identified conservatives generated more activity overall in response to the disturbing images.

So how does this help explain the unbridled loyalty of Trump supporters? These brain responses are automatic, and not influenced by logic or reason. As long as Trump continues his fear mongering by constantly portraying Muslims and Mexican immigrants as imminent dangers, many conservative brains will involuntarily light up like light bulbs being controlled by a switch. Fear keeps his followers energized and focused on safety. And when you think you’ve found your protector, you become less concerned with remarks that would normally be seen as highly offensive.
A neuroscientist explains what may be wrong with Trump supporters’ brains

There is much more in the linked article regarding this.

But the good news is 9 out of 10 gun owners want background checks, including extended checks for mental health issues. The bad news is Republican politicians will still fight background checks, especially extended background checks for mental health to satiate their supporters and gun lobbyists.
9 in 10 back universal gun background checks

and now you see 90% of the gun owners *support* background checks. what they DO NOT support is the loss of "due process" by using the no-fly lists and other "bogus" lists to remove rights from people w/o the process of law.

the NRA said "put due process into these and we're fine with background checks" - so why does the left NOT want due process in this?
The Problems With Using The Terrorist Watch List To Ban Gun Sales

they flat out say DUE PROCESS IS KILLING US
Manchin: Due process is 'killing us right now' in gun debate

so you tell me - why is the left so unreasonable in this?

it ain't just the right who doesn't want to dance in the middle.

Anyone on a terrorist watch list--shouldn't be able to walk into a gun store to purchase weapons, nor should they be allowed to board a plane. That's just common horse sense.

In fact the only people who wouldn't want background checks are people that couldn't pass them.

 

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Anyone on a terrorist watch list--shouldn't be able to walk into a gun store to purchase weapons, nor should they be allowed to board a plane. That's irrational.

In fact the only people who wouldn't want a background check are people that couldn't pass them.

on the surface i would agree. but i now ask you -

1) how do you get on this list?
2) how do you get off of it?
3) when put on it, are you told or are you just "on it"?
4) is it you or just a name like you and ergo, subject to confusion

since the terrorist watch list isn't anything official nor does it have a mechanism in it to get off of it if you're there improperly - you have lost your right to "due process" - so for you to just say "use the terrorist watch list - it's common sense!" is to also say "fuck due process".

are you ok with bypassing due process?

and the terrorist watch list doesn't have much of anything to do with background checks.

 

[BULLDOG]

While painfully tragic, each of those incidences were not responsible gun ownership IMO

Completely right, but the right fought for each of them to have as many guns as they wanted right up until they killed someone. The term responsible gun owner wasn't accurately applied to all of those listed, was it?

Liar. We support gun rights for all law abiding citizens.

You just draw the line at expecting them to be responsible, right? You like to explain away the deaths in that list and all like them as caused by irresponsible people, yet, in your judgement, they were all completely responsible right up until the second they caused someone to die. Suddenly, your opinion of them drastically changes.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

So what is your point? (One sentence should be sufficient.)

His point is that he chooses to politicize gun tragedies to suit his agenda, hence the links in the OP, but doesn't want others to do it, duh.

Definition of hypocrite

1. 1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
   
   
2. 2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

And an example of how some on this forum deflect and use a variety of tactics to avoid talking about reality.

the reality is that the manner in which he set this up *is* hypocritical.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS BUT ONLY IF YOU AGREE WITH ME....

No, I disagree. He stated his point of view, and you have the ability to write your opposing view.

If you see ghosts where there aren't any, that doesn't make the OP hypocritical.

Frigid Weirdo- read this slowly several times, you may eventually understand it. He is bitching and moaning about the right politicizing gun tragedies, and how he thinks it's wrong to do so to advance their position. Then he turns around and post links to gun tragedies to advance his opposite position. That is the epitome of hypocrisy!