iceberg
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Come on. You admit there is a gun show loophole, but try to say people not capable of buying a gun otherwise don't take advantage of it? You have done nothing more than repeat all the goofy NRA talking points. We both know those are mostly crap
by definition you *can't* take advantage of it. the loophole is meant for the one-time sale of a gun. not to sell a lot of guns and not to go into business and avoid the law. you try to do that, you are breaking the law. arrest them.
and if you think i'm parakeeting then you are not listening.
we can do away with the gun show loophole by giving free background checks at the gun show. should be easy enough. miss that part of my statement, didja?
i said not many are used in crimes and invited you to google it up and *not* parakeet the anti-gun crowd 40% bullshit figure.
i also said we need to revamp the entire background check system and allow for other "lists" and ensure due process is included. you hear the NRA say that one much, doya's?
next time read what i say before responding. it makes this much smoother.
You're intentionally ignoring so much. If there was just one seller, your silly remarks about taking advantage might make sense. There are as many sellers as there are buyers. No way to keep track on how many each of them sell, especially since there is no paperwork or requirement for any record keeping.
Free background checks would be great, but unless they are required, who would bother, and why should they bother?
I tried googling it, but since the NRA owned congressmen made it illegal for records to be kept on that type thing, there are no credible reports that are much less than 20 years old.
Yes you are parroting their crap.
again - you're not listening to me. you're hearing what you want out of what i am saying then instead of trying to understand, *i'm* the one ignoring a bunch.
how many people sell guns via the gun show loophole? you need to tell me this at this point cause to date, you have not that i have seen. please do not run to the 40% bullshit either. that would be you parroting their crap. also - if no way to keep track where did their 40% come from?
and i said free background checks SO THEY DO GET DONE - not as an option. i am saying just do away with the damn gun show loophole because if you're at a gun show, someone can do it for you. if $25 is an issue, have a voucher program to let them get it done for free.
THIRD FUCKING TIME I SAID THIS - you going to mis-read me again?
i also said people who are writing the laws need to be tested and certified to do so to AVOID it becoming a political issue. together the NRA and the gov needs to come up with a new system that will satisfy as many as possible but no - not all will be happy. never gonna happen but we do need to do more than we are doing today.
but the background checks we have are pointless as it stands. those need to have some meat into them AND they need to follow due process. period.
now if someone is selling guns FOR A LIVING via this loophole - that is already illegal - prosecute. i've said this before as well but you fly by it to keep saying i'm not listening *to you*. what good do more laws do if you're not utilizing the ones in place for this already?
i've pointed out various ideas i've had about getting a licenses/class first that would piss off many gun owners - but hey - i'm a party-liner dude!
i've pointed out you can easily do away with the gun show loophole cause you're at a gun show - hit any dealer there and they can and will do one for you for $25.
i've pointed out an educational system for both law makers and the average user that needs to be in place
but you've bypassed all of that and said google stumped you.
great. when you want to listen let me know cause i've FAR FROM parkeeted jack nor shit about the NRA party lines.
The 40% you keep mentioning certainly didn't come from me, and I've never used it in this subject. You are right about there being no way to know unless background checks are universally required. The way it is now, a person could make a very good living selling used guns because there is no record to tell how many guns he already sold. Of course, the cops could keep him under surveillance, and eventually build a case against him, but that won't happen with every individual seller, now will it? It's not unreasonable to expect background checks for EVERY gun that is sold by ANYONE.
trying to head off a common fallacy on the 40%. that's just utter bullshit and one of the reasons that "common sense" laws are so hard to come by. you can't inflate shit like that then turn around and ask the other side to "be honest".
they can keep an eye on people and people selling guns illegally happen all the time - but find them and put them in prison. trouble is, prison time is hard to come by for these crimes so it makes it more worth the risk.
background checks alone are simply not the answer. the background checks themselves must be improved and inclusive - however they must also follow due process. things like nofly and terror watch list remove due process completely and then go "but it's for a good cause".
never is it for a good cause to remove our rights. you'd think bush's homeland security would drive that point home.
so you do away with the loophole - fine. i'll go with that cause it's pretty easy to get the wasted background check done anyway. now tell me - will illegal gun sales slow down much? stop? from what i've researched, not really.
if in that "40%" number they are including guns from felons and the like, that will continue regardless of a loophole or not. so blocking this - what affect does it really have overall?
nothing. it honestly doesn't change the way a criminal will acquire a gun. so if the left gets what they ask for and this is done away with - will they call their job done or move onto the next law they must have their way?
#2. every time. which makes the NRA and gun supporters fight them tooth and nail cause if they don't you wind up with stupid california laws that says you need a license to buy bullets now. or shotguns can't carry more than 3 rounds. or mags can be thrown away, just don't make them more than 8 capacity...
we need so much more than doing away with a law that in the end doesn't affect this much at all but look at the attention it actually gets.