Soggy in NOLA
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Fucking dumbasses.. nobody's going to secede from the U.S.
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NO there was no "rescue' the first time. It was a land grab by the US. Texas gained independence when Mexico was far more powerful than Mexico is today and retained that independence until a vote was usurped by land hungry Americans who, abusing the Texas Voting laws of the time, rushed across the border to "vote" Texas into the Union while the long term residents, actual Texicans, voted nearly unanimously to remain independent.And it's also right next to Mexico. There's a whole lot of Central and South Americans that would love to gut and loot Texas. Let's see how well ya'll do without the rest of the country. Hmm, maybe you'll become a colony of Venezuela, or Columbia.
And maybe, after a few years of occupation, we'll "Come to your rescue" again, like we did the first time.
And frankly, I'd rather be around Mexicans than Yankees.
Actually it is the abuse of power at the federal level which makes secession so attractive.
What 'abuse of power' specifically? What rights have you, personally, specifically been denied?
As there is nothing in the constitution to BAR secession, it is constitutionally legal despite what the federal government would like to claim; despite the attempt by the Supreme court to modify the Constitution by their ruling in White vs Texas.
The legality of an issue is the purview of the supreme court, barring specific legislation on said issue.
The Supreme Court in no way attempted to "Modify the Constitution", they interpreted the Constitution, which is their job.
On order to make secession "legal" one would have to overturn the prior decision, or make specific legislation to define legal secession.
Since neither of these instances has occurred, secession is illegal, as defined by the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution.
No, they could not, after all that would be illegal immigration. We'd send 'em right back to you.
Unless of course one of several countries decided that the seceded state would be a nice fat target. And the US would have no reason to step in.
And of course they would not have any Federal Debt.
Unless their state currently is in debt at the state level.
Of course they would. The US would just send them a bill for all the funding they received over the past few decades that contributed to the debt.
Good thing Texas has a balanced budget and a surplus.
We even had that during the oil glut of the mid 80's.
Texas conservatism must be doing something right.
And it's also right next to Mexico. There's a whole lot of Central and South Americans that would love to gut and loot Texas. Let's see how well ya'll do without the rest of the country. Hmm, maybe you'll become a colony of Venezuela, or Columbia.
And maybe, after a few years of occupation, we'll "Come to your rescue" again, like we did the first time.
Yeah those Yankees only appreciate their government welfare checks.And frankly, I'd rather be around Mexicans than Yankees.
The feeling is mutual. At least Mexicans appreciate the United States
But with that said... it isn't illegal. It does, however, become a problem when you unilaterally secede and then attack another state. Hence that whole Civil War thang.
Not very good at this are you. I would have expected a better performance with such a slam-dunk topic. You baited someone into responding to this BS and then you let him off the hook completely.
One weak and useless argument after another. Better luck next time though.
NO there was no "rescue' the first time. It was a land grab by the US. Texas gained independence when Mexico was far more powerful than Mexico is today and retained that independence until a vote was usurped by land hungry Americans who, abusing the Texas Voting laws of the time, rushed across the border to "vote" Texas into the Union while the long term residents, actual Texicans, voted nearly unanimously to remain independent.
And frankly, I'd rather be around Mexicans than Yankees.
Yeah those Yankees only appreciate their government welfare checks.And frankly, I'd rather be around Mexicans than Yankees.
The feeling is mutual. At least Mexicans appreciate the United States
Yeah those Yankees only appreciate their government welfare checks.And frankly, I'd rather be around Mexicans than Yankees.
The feeling is mutual. At least Mexicans appreciate the United States
We are talking Texans here. Not patriotic Texans, but secessionist who would willingly withdraw from the greatest country on earth.
We are talking Texans here. Not patriotic Texans, but secessionist who would willingly withdraw from the greatest country on earth.
If the US were still the greatest country on Earth you might not sound so ignorant. As it is the Patriotic Texans are the ones who would like to see a return to the Constitutional balance between the states and the federal government. It is just treasonous scum Yankees who want to keep big government going.
Sure, wanting a return to the CONSTITUTION makes one a traitor. Wait no, the scum who overthrew the constitution are traitors. Like the members of Vast Left Wing Conspiracies. Those are the traitors.Wow, check it out, we have an honest to goodness Traitor right here on USMB.
Not just one of those rhetorical traitors, which people on each end of the political spectrum are constantly calling each other, but the real McCoy.
We are talking Texans here. Not patriotic Texans, but secessionist who would willingly withdraw from the greatest country on earth.
If the US were still the greatest country on Earth you might not sound so ignorant. As it is the Patriotic Texans are the ones who would like to see a return to the Constitutional balance between the states and the federal government. It is just treasonous scum Yankees who want to keep big government going.
Sure, wanting a return to the CONSTITUTION makes one a traitor. Wait no, the scum who overthrew the constitution are traitors. Like the members of Vast Left Wing Conspiracies. Those are the traitors.Wow, check it out, we have an honest to goodness Traitor right here on USMB.
Not just one of those rhetorical traitors, which people on each end of the political spectrum are constantly calling each other, but the real McCoy.
Sure, wanting a return to the CONSTITUTION makes one a traitor. Wait no, the scum who overthrew the constitution are traitors. Like the members of Vast Left Wing Conspiracies. Those are the traitors.Wow, check it out, we have an honest to goodness Traitor right here on USMB.
Not just one of those rhetorical traitors, which people on each end of the political spectrum are constantly calling each other, but the real McCoy.
You're advocating the secession of your state from the Union.
That is the very definition of treason.
There's really nothing that would be more treasonous that I could think of, with the possible exception of a violent coup d'tat.
Sure, wanting a return to the CONSTITUTION makes one a traitor. Wait no, the scum who overthrew the constitution are traitors. Like the members of Vast Left Wing Conspiracies. Those are the traitors.
You're advocating the secession of your state from the Union.
That is the very definition of treason.
There's really nothing that would be more treasonous that I could think of, with the possible exception of a violent coup d'tat.
Right because the TRAITOROUS WOULD BE TYRANTS like you and Rightwinger want the federal government to have all the power, ignoring constitutional limits.
Voting to be free of such tyranny is exactly what the revolutionary war was about, or was George Washington a Traitor?
How about the signers of the Declaration of Independence - you know the one that starts "When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds"
You talk about treason and traitors, but the real traitors are the people turning their backs on the actual traditions of this nation; liberty being a prime one.
Whether it is legal or not, Secession in this day and age is not technically possible. Too many functions are performed at the federal level to allow states to pull away and still function idependently. It would be the equivalent of cutting off your head