Zone1 Is the perpetual virginity of Mary biblical?

[ninja007]

Is the perpetual virginity of Mary biblical?​

It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Jesus’ mother Mary remained a virgin for her entire life. Is this concept biblical? Before we look at specific Scriptures, it is important to understand why the Roman Catholic Church believes in the perpetual virginity of Mary. The Roman Catholic Church views Mary as "the Mother of God" and "Queen of Heaven." Catholics believe Mary to have an exalted place in Heaven, with the closest access to Jesus and God the Father. Such a concept is nowhere taught in Scripture. Further, even if Mary did occupy such an exalted position, her having sexual intercourse would not have prevented her from gaining such a position. Sex in marriage is not sinful. Mary would have in no way defiled herself by having sexual relations with Joseph her husband. The entire concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary is based on an unbiblical teaching, Mary as Queen of Heaven, and on an unbiblical understanding of sex.

So, what does the Bible say about the perpetual virginity of Mary? Using the New American Bible, which is a Catholic translation, we can see that the perpetual virginity of Mary is not taught in the Bible. Matthew 1:25 NAB tells us, "He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus." He, Joseph, did not have sexual relations with her, Mary, UNTIL after she bore a son, Jesus." The meaning of this Scripture is abundantly clear. Joseph and Mary did not have sexual relations until after Jesus was born. Matthew 13:55-56 NAB declares, "Is He not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? Are not His sisters all with us?" Catholics claim, correctly, that the Greek terms for "brothers" and "sisters" in these verses could also refer to male and female relatives, not necessarily literal brothers and sisters. However, the intended meaning is clear, they thought Jesus to be Joseph’s son, the son of Mary, and the brother of James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas, and the brother of the unnamed and unnumbered sisters. Father, mother, brother, sister. It is straining the meaning of the text to interpret “brothers” and “sisters” as "cousins" or "relatives" with the mentioning of Jesus’ mother and father.

Matthew 12:46 NAB tells us, "While He was still speaking to the crowds, His mother and His brothers appeared outside, wishing to speak with Him." See also Mark 3:31-34; Luke 8:19-21; John 2:12; and Acts 1:14. All mention Jesus’ mother with His brothers. If they were His cousins, or the sons of Joseph from a previous marriage, why were they mentioned with Mary so often? The idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary cannot be drawn from Scripture. It must be forced on Scripture, in contradiction to what the Scriptures clearly state.

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[theHawk]

Is the perpetual virginity of Mary biblical?​

It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Jesus’ mother Mary remained a virgin for her entire life. Is this concept biblical? Before we look at specific Scriptures, it is important to understand why the Roman Catholic Church believes in the perpetual virginity of Mary. The Roman Catholic Church views Mary as "the Mother of God" and "Queen of Heaven." Catholics believe Mary to have an exalted place in Heaven, with the closest access to Jesus and God the Father. Such a concept is nowhere taught in Scripture. Further, even if Mary did occupy such an exalted position, her having sexual intercourse would not have prevented her from gaining such a position. Sex in marriage is not sinful. Mary would have in no way defiled herself by having sexual relations with Joseph her husband. The entire concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary is based on an unbiblical teaching, Mary as Queen of Heaven, and on an unbiblical understanding of sex.

So, what does the Bible say about the perpetual virginity of Mary? Using the New American Bible, which is a Catholic translation, we can see that the perpetual virginity of Mary is not taught in the Bible. Matthew 1:25 NAB tells us, "He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus." He, Joseph, did not have sexual relations with her, Mary, UNTIL after she bore a son, Jesus." The meaning of this Scripture is abundantly clear. Joseph and Mary did not have sexual relations until after Jesus was born. Matthew 13:55-56 NAB declares, "Is He not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? Are not His sisters all with us?" Catholics claim, correctly, that the Greek terms for "brothers" and "sisters" in these verses could also refer to male and female relatives, not necessarily literal brothers and sisters. However, the intended meaning is clear, they thought Jesus to be Joseph’s son, the son of Mary, and the brother of James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas, and the brother of the unnamed and unnumbered sisters. Father, mother, brother, sister. It is straining the meaning of the text to interpret “brothers” and “sisters” as "cousins" or "relatives" with the mentioning of Jesus’ mother and father.

Matthew 12:46 NAB tells us, "While He was still speaking to the crowds, His mother and His brothers appeared outside, wishing to speak with Him." See also Mark 3:31-34; Luke 8:19-21; John 2:12; and Acts 1:14. All mention Jesus’ mother with His brothers. If they were His cousins, or the sons of Joseph from a previous marriage, why were they mentioned with Mary so often? The idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary cannot be drawn from Scripture. It must be forced on Scripture, in contradiction to what the Scriptures clearly state.

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Did the Bible ever once name James or Joseph the son of Mary and Joseph?

Nope.

 

[The Duke]

Did the Bible ever once name James or Joseph the son of Mary and Joseph?

Nope.

The Bible does mention a brother of Jesus, I think. Yes, it does.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 12 - King James Version

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. But he said unto them...

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Common sense says Jesus was the eldest.

 

[Zebra]

Is the perpetual virginity of Mary biblical?​

It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Jesus’ mother Mary remained a virgin for her entire life. Is this concept biblical? Before we look at specific Scriptures, it is important to understand why the Roman Catholic Church believes in the perpetual virginity of Mary. The Roman Catholic Church views Mary as "the Mother of God" and "Queen of Heaven." Catholics believe Mary to have an exalted place in Heaven, with the closest access to Jesus and God the Father. Such a concept is nowhere taught in Scripture. Further, even if Mary did occupy such an exalted position, her having sexual intercourse would not have prevented her from gaining such a position. Sex in marriage is not sinful. Mary would have in no way defiled herself by having sexual relations with Joseph her husband. The entire concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary is based on an unbiblical teaching, Mary as Queen of Heaven, and on an unbiblical understanding of sex.

So, what does the Bible say about the perpetual virginity of Mary? Using the New American Bible, which is a Catholic translation, we can see that the perpetual virginity of Mary is not taught in the Bible. Matthew 1:25 NAB tells us, "He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus." He, Joseph, did not have sexual relations with her, Mary, UNTIL after she bore a son, Jesus." The meaning of this Scripture is abundantly clear. Joseph and Mary did not have sexual relations until after Jesus was born. Matthew 13:55-56 NAB declares, "Is He not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? Are not His sisters all with us?" Catholics claim, correctly, that the Greek terms for "brothers" and "sisters" in these verses could also refer to male and female relatives, not necessarily literal brothers and sisters. However, the intended meaning is clear, they thought Jesus to be Joseph’s son, the son of Mary, and the brother of James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas, and the brother of the unnamed and unnumbered sisters. Father, mother, brother, sister. It is straining the meaning of the text to interpret “brothers” and “sisters” as "cousins" or "relatives" with the mentioning of Jesus’ mother and father.

Matthew 12:46 NAB tells us, "While He was still speaking to the crowds, His mother and His brothers appeared outside, wishing to speak with Him." See also Mark 3:31-34; Luke 8:19-21; John 2:12; and Acts 1:14. All mention Jesus’ mother with His brothers. If they were His cousins, or the sons of Joseph from a previous marriage, why were they mentioned with Mary so often? The idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary cannot be drawn from Scripture. It must be forced on Scripture, in contradiction to what the Scriptures clearly state.

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no

 

[Blues Man]

Is the perpetual virginity of Mary biblical?​

It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Jesus’ mother Mary remained a virgin for her entire life. Is this concept biblical? Before we look at specific Scriptures, it is important to understand why the Roman Catholic Church believes in the perpetual virginity of Mary. The Roman Catholic Church views Mary as "the Mother of God" and "Queen of Heaven." Catholics believe Mary to have an exalted place in Heaven, with the closest access to Jesus and God the Father. Such a concept is nowhere taught in Scripture. Further, even if Mary did occupy such an exalted position, her having sexual intercourse would not have prevented her from gaining such a position. Sex in marriage is not sinful. Mary would have in no way defiled herself by having sexual relations with Joseph her husband. The entire concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary is based on an unbiblical teaching, Mary as Queen of Heaven, and on an unbiblical understanding of sex.

So, what does the Bible say about the perpetual virginity of Mary? Using the New American Bible, which is a Catholic translation, we can see that the perpetual virginity of Mary is not taught in the Bible. Matthew 1:25 NAB tells us, "He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus." He, Joseph, did not have sexual relations with her, Mary, UNTIL after she bore a son, Jesus." The meaning of this Scripture is abundantly clear. Joseph and Mary did not have sexual relations until after Jesus was born. Matthew 13:55-56 NAB declares, "Is He not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? Are not His sisters all with us?" Catholics claim, correctly, that the Greek terms for "brothers" and "sisters" in these verses could also refer to male and female relatives, not necessarily literal brothers and sisters. However, the intended meaning is clear, they thought Jesus to be Joseph’s son, the son of Mary, and the brother of James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas, and the brother of the unnamed and unnumbered sisters. Father, mother, brother, sister. It is straining the meaning of the text to interpret “brothers” and “sisters” as "cousins" or "relatives" with the mentioning of Jesus’ mother and father.

Matthew 12:46 NAB tells us, "While He was still speaking to the crowds, His mother and His brothers appeared outside, wishing to speak with Him." See also Mark 3:31-34; Luke 8:19-21; John 2:12; and Acts 1:14. All mention Jesus’ mother with His brothers. If they were His cousins, or the sons of Joseph from a previous marriage, why were they mentioned with Mary so often? The idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary cannot be drawn from Scripture. It must be forced on Scripture, in contradiction to what the Scriptures clearly state.

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Jesus supposedly had a brother so are you saying there were actually two virgin births?

 

[luiza]

Consider the Cult Christian archangels as Elohim Enforcers ( nearest best translation ).
Now the problem is why was she selected .
Joseph of Arimathea was the big noise businessman and international trader and he employed Joseph as a Master Builder -- not as a Carpenter which is a complete wrong translation .
Mary possibly seemed the most "senior, important or relevant" female in the community .

But if you have not yet got around to the Elohim, just live with the Cult Christian yarn .

BTW Jesus had four brothers --- James , Joseph , Judas and Simon . Also two sisters , Rachel and Lea , though some suggest the sisters had other names

 

[Arlette]

Don't y'all feel stupid thinking about stuff like that?

 

[theHawk]

The Bible does mention a brother of Jesus, I think. Yes, it does.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 12 - King James Version

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. But he said unto them...

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Common sense says Jesus was the eldest.

Which is his cousin. The language at the time did not distinguish.

 

[Meriweather]

Which is his cousin. The language at the time did not distinguish.

Cousin? Perhaps. The word would be more correctly translated as 'kin' or kinfolk.

St. Jerome, who was carefully translating the Bible used the word 'brethren' which also means extended family. Someone came to him and said that another person was using 'brethren' to mean brother, and saying that Mary gave birth to half-brothers and sisters to Jesus. This made Jerome laugh. "No one is going to believe that..."

 

[luiza]

Which is his cousin. The language at the time did not distinguish.

John the No Head for Heights Baptist .
Essene ( High) Priest until Jesus took over after his death .

 

[Clyde 154]

Did the Bible ever once name James or Joseph the son of Mary and Joseph?

Nope.

Not only "Brothers".......but sisters. "Is this not the Carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joes, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?" (Mark 6:3) These questions prove they were siblings, not cousins, not brothers as in all men are brothers. How? The original Koine Greek.....the actual text that was used in the majority of the N.T. epistles, uses the word "adelphe" meaning SISTER as in sibling .......a word not used to indicate a cousin or a brothers of men which is (anepsios). How do we know this? "For whoever does the will of My Father in Heaven is My brother and sister." (Matthew 12:50)

There is no scriptural record of Joseph ever being married previously.....thus, these half siblings cannot be children from a previous marriage. If its not written.........you can't assume something as truth........To assume something that is not recorded in scripture is the only way of suggesting that Mary did not have any children other than Jesus.

The scriptures warn us, NOT TO THINK OR REASON BEYOND THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN (1 Cor. 4:6) You are using a Logical Fallacy in order to make the scriptures fit your doctrine.....when your doctrine should fit into the scriptures. A logical fallacy is a negative argument.........you can't prove or disprove something that is never stated, thus.....truth can't be established. The text that actually exists stating that Jesus had brothers and sister is Prima Facie in nature..........meaning that until someone can produce the objective, testable and repeatable evidence to prove different, that which is stated must stand as truth based upon logic and reason. Prima Facie: as it seems/appears. This type of evidence stands in every courtroom in the nation in both civil and criminal trials. Prima facie - Wikipedia

 

[onefour1]

Jesus Christ, Family of​

• his mother and his brethren stood without, Matt. 12:46 (Mark 3:31; Luke 8:19).
• is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas, Matt. 13:55 (Mark 6:3).
• went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, John 2:12.
• saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother, John 19:27.
• continued with one accord … with … Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren, Acts 1:14.
• saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother, Gal. 1:19.

Mary was a virgin at the birth of Jesus but afterwards had children through Joseph.

Mark 6:3
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

 

[theHawk]

Not only "Brothers".......but sisters. "Is this not the Carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joes, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?" (Mark 6:3) These questions prove they were siblings, not cousins, not brothers as in all men are brothers

You are literally quoting Mark 6:1-3, which is the words of the crowd slandering Jesus.

Nice try.

 

[Clyde 154]

You are literally quoting Mark 6:1-3, which is the words of the crowd slandering Jesus.

Nice try.

"ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED OF GOD..........." 2 Tim. 3:16-17 Regardless of how you interpret the crowd........the history is there that supports the fact that Jesus had brothers and sisters. Simply present the evidence that proves that Joseph was married before with children before he married Mary.

There is more than ONE PASSAGE that demonstrates that Jesus had half siblings, both brothers and sisters. (Matthew 12:46-48, which parallels the verse in Mark 3:31-32) "While Jesus was addressing the crowd, His mother and brothers stood outside...." These words are narrative words recorded by Matthew and Mark, not the crowd.

(Matthew 13:55-56) Are the recorded words of the crowd. You can't even lie straight.

(John 2:12), John narrates the following, "After this He (Jesus) went down to Capernaum, WITH HIS MOTHER AND HIS BROTHERS........"

(Acts 1:14), "With one accord they all continued in prayer, along with the women, Mary the mother of Jesus and HIS BROTHERS........"

(Gal. 1:19), "But other of the apostles saw I none, SAVE JAMES THE LORDS BROTHER......"

Fact: The Koine Greek translation of the N.T. uses a different term for brother as in sibling and brother as in cousin. The Koine Greek translates sibling as (adelphos) while translating other than sibling...such as cousin, etc., as (anepsioi).....with an example of its use found in (Col. 4:10), When the author makes reference to a SISTERS SON.

 

[Vastator]

Well when Mary birthed Jesus, that hymen got smoked. You know those things don't just grow back...

 

[hadit]

Don't y'all feel stupid thinking about stuff like that?

Don't you ever feel very out of place horning in on conversations you clearly do not understand?

 

[Libby von H]

Is the perpetual virginity of Mary biblical?​

It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Jesus’ mother Mary remained a virgin for her entire life. Is this concept biblical? Before we look at specific Scriptures, it is important to understand why the Roman Catholic Church believes in the perpetual virginity of Mary. The Roman Catholic Church views Mary as "the Mother of God" and "Queen of Heaven." Catholics believe Mary to have an exalted place in Heaven, with the closest access to Jesus and God the Father. Such a concept is nowhere taught in Scripture. Further, even if Mary did occupy such an exalted position, her having sexual intercourse would not have prevented her from gaining such a position. Sex in marriage is not sinful. Mary would have in no way defiled herself by having sexual relations with Joseph her husband. The entire concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary is based on an unbiblical teaching, Mary as Queen of Heaven, and on an unbiblical understanding of sex.

So, what does the Bible say about the perpetual virginity of Mary? Using the New American Bible, which is a Catholic translation, we can see that the perpetual virginity of Mary is not taught in the Bible. Matthew 1:25 NAB tells us, "He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus." He, Joseph, did not have sexual relations with her, Mary, UNTIL after she bore a son, Jesus." The meaning of this Scripture is abundantly clear. Joseph and Mary did not have sexual relations until after Jesus was born. Matthew 13:55-56 NAB declares, "Is He not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? Are not His sisters all with us?" Catholics claim, correctly, that the Greek terms for "brothers" and "sisters" in these verses could also refer to male and female relatives, not necessarily literal brothers and sisters. However, the intended meaning is clear, they thought Jesus to be Joseph’s son, the son of Mary, and the brother of James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas, and the brother of the unnamed and unnumbered sisters. Father, mother, brother, sister. It is straining the meaning of the text to interpret “brothers” and “sisters” as "cousins" or "relatives" with the mentioning of Jesus’ mother and father.

Matthew 12:46 NAB tells us, "While He was still speaking to the crowds, His mother and His brothers appeared outside, wishing to speak with Him." See also Mark 3:31-34; Luke 8:19-21; John 2:12; and Acts 1:14. All mention Jesus’ mother with His brothers. If they were His cousins, or the sons of Joseph from a previous marriage, why were they mentioned with Mary so often? The idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary cannot be drawn from Scripture. It must be forced on Scripture, in contradiction to what the Scriptures clearly state.

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Is the perpetual virginity of Mary biblical? If Mary was perpetually a virgin, how did Jesus have brothers and sisters?

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If you had a mind you would know the patristic settling of this

St. Jerome—Against Helvidius: On the Perpetual Virginity of Mary​

SAINT JEROME the greatest Bible scholar in history

St. Jerome—Against Helvidius: On the Perpetual Virginity of Mary

“The axe of the Gospel must now be laid at the roots of the barren tree and the tree must be delivered to the flames with its unfruitful leaves, so that he who has never learned to speak might learn at length to hold his tongue.”

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May God reward you for vioating the great warning of the NT
James 3 New International Version (NIV) Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

 

[hadit]

Cousin? Perhaps. The word would be more correctly translated as 'kin' or kinfolk.

St. Jerome, who was carefully translating the Bible used the word 'brethren' which also means extended family. Someone came to him and said that another person was using 'brethren' to mean brother, and saying that Mary gave birth to half-brothers and sisters to Jesus. This made Jerome laugh. "No one is going to believe that..."

There is no account in Scripture of Joseph being commanded by God to live a celibate life.

 

[Libby von H]

There is no account in Scripture of Joseph being commanded by God to live a celibate life.

And why would there ????????
Nobody commanded Mary , did they ???????

What is it with you, a logic deficit, poor reading material, intense desire to seem open-minded ?
Really , you say such weird as sht things.

Even by your own 'reasoning' what would have to be explained is where the idea came from if what you think is supposed to be so definitive

 

[hadit]

And why would there ????????
Nobody commanded Mary , did they ???????

What is it with you, a logic deficit, poor reading material, intense desire to seem open-minded ?
Really , you say such weird as sht things.

Even by your own 'reasoning' what would have to be explained is where the idea came from if what you think is supposed to be so definitive

There is no Scriptural support for the idea of Mary remaining a virgin after Yeshua's birth.

"I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children".