Is the Quran Gods words?

[there4eyeM]

There is no generally acceptable proof that any work is the word of God.

 

[Dajjal]

There is no generally acceptable proof that any work is the word of God.

No, but it can be logically deduced that the quran cannot possibly be the words of God.

 

[Sunni Man]

Of course you do. How convenient. A good muslim believes what he's told.

In much the same way that a good Christian believes what he is told.

 

[Buford]

Of course you do. How convenient. A good muslim believes what he's told.

In much the same way that a good Christian believes what he is told.

I used the Scriptures. Try again, Mr. muslim nitwit.

 

[there4eyeM]

Of course you do. How convenient. A good muslim believes what he's told.

In much the same way that a good Christian believes what he is told.

A really 'good' Christian would only listen to Jesus.

 

[Dajjal]

Of course you do. How convenient. A good muslim believes what he's told.

In much the same way that a good Christian believes what he is told.

The problem we are having is that a good Christian is told to turn the other cheek.
BUt the quran teaches Muslims to cut off the heads and fingertips of unbelievers.

Not only that but the quran says the world is flat, and the sun orbits the earth.

 

[Buford]

Of course you do. How convenient. A good muslim believes what he's told.

In much the same way that a good Christian believes what he is told.

The problem we are having is that a good Christian is told to turn the other cheek.
BUt the quran teaches Muslims to cut off the heads and fingertips of unbelievers.

Not only that but the quran says the world is flat, and the sun orbits the earth.

Not only that, but the Quran in 86: 5-7 says that a man's semen comes from his backbone....

 

[Dajjal]

Buford, yea! I wrote a piece on so called, medical miracles in the quran, and here it is.



Quran sura 22.5 O Mankind! if ye have a doubt about the resurrection (consider) that we created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh partly formed and partly unformed, in order that we may manifest (our power) to you. And we cause whom we will to rest in the wombs for an appropriate term. Then do we bring you out as babes, then (foster you) That ye may reach your age of full strength; Translated By Yusuf Ali.

Anyone who believes this brief verse in the quran referring to the embryo is a revelation from God should study the writings of Galen. He was born in AD129 and his writings are a truly staggering insight into the workings of the human body for such a time. He discusses the function of the womb and the uterus, and the development of the embryo and foetus. Most of his knowledge came from observation and the dissection of animals, and most of his false assumptions doubtlessly come from the fact he did not dissect human bodies.
His works were originally written in Greek, but were translated into Latin and Arabic. Such knowledge was in the world 500 years before Muhammad's time, and Hippocrates made astounding medical observations one thousand years before Muhammad. Since sura 22 was reputedlty revealed in Madinah, or during the later Makkan period Muhammad had already spent ten years or more aquiring the spoils of War, and it is known that books were highly prised items, so knowledge of Galen's writings could have been acquired from looted manuscripts.

Here are some brief extracts from Galens, On the natural faculties, book3. These texts being rich in detailed factual observations.

"For, as we know it takes nine months in most women for the foetus to attain maturity in the womb, this organ having its neck quite closed, and entirely surrounding the embryo together with the chorion."

The following quote shows Galen fully understood the role of sex in the reproductive process.

"The women believe they have received the semen which comes from the male, and they are retaining it."

Finally Galen shows that Hippocrates(c 460-c370 BC) before him was aware of details of pregnancy 500 years earlier.

"Hippocrates, who was the first of all physicians and philosophers to declare that the os uteri closes during pregnancy and inflammation."

Predating this detailed Greek scientific knowledge formed from observation and dissection of near human animals, the bible itself shows knowledge of the womb and conception.

The word womb appears 71 times in the King James Bible. Here are some pertinent extracts.

OT Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

OT Hosea 9:14 Give them, O Lord; what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

NT Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

NT Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost.

Here is one of many verses that states man was formed from dust.
OT Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the Ground,
The bible also talks of the seed of copulation at Leviticus 15:16 and 15:17 and 15:18. So there is no revelation in using the word sperm, and in fact other English translations, such as Pickthall use the word seed, not sperm, so the exact translation of the Arabic word makes no difference to the implication that such knowledge was in the world.
In short there is no new information in the quran concerning the birth process, unless one claims that the mention of a leech like clot of blood is a revelation that describes a new embryo. But for a man who had eleven wives, and was fully aware of the links between menstrual blood, and the lack of it during pregnancy, it only took one miscarriage for him to see a tiny foetus for himself. Therefore verse 22.5 of the quran did not require any revelation from God, as Muhammad could have been well aware of most of what is involved in the natural process of gestation.

 

[there4eyeM]

Looks as if your opposition has abandoned the field in the face of Koranic awareness. Guess he is looking for a 'Sunni' day somewhere else.

 

[Dajjal]

There is an aspect of the quran which I have not yet discussed, which also shows it cannot be the words of God, and that is it is full of nonsense. Here is a verse which says an ant talked, and king Solomon heard her.

27:18 Until when they came to the valley of the Naml, a Namlite said: O Naml, enter your houses, (lest) Solomon and his hosts crush you, while they know not.
27:19 So he smiled, wondering at her word, and said: My Lord, grant me that I may be grateful for Thy favour which Thou hast bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may do good such as Thou art pleased with, and admit me, by Thy mercy, among Thy righteous servants.

 

[Sunni Man]

So a talking ant is just too far fetched.

But a talking donkey in the Bible is perfectly acceptable and normal?

Numbers 22:30 The donkey said to Balaam, "Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?" "No," he said.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

The Quran was written by none other than....

Answer to be posted later.

The great Satan himself.

What? You think God calls pedophiles to spread hateful nonsense? You have to be a real sucker and/or a hateful a-hole to be Muslim.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

LOL Sunni Man neg'd the above post. Your religion was created by an asshole pedophile dude. Wise the fuck up.

Or maybe you are wise. You just need your excuse to hate on Jews though.

 

[Dajjal]

So a talking ant is just too far fetched.

But a talking donkey in the Bible is perfectly acceptable and normal?

Numbers 22:30 The donkey said to Balaam, "Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?" "No," he said.

Neither is acceptable to reason, and neither is a message from God.

The quran is a mumbling, semi literate, poorly narrated imitation of the bible stories.

 

[Sunni Man]

Or maybe you are wise. You just need your excuse to hate on Jews though.

When have I ever hated on Jews??

Israel - Yes, I have.

Zionists - also Yes

Jews - Nope

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Or maybe you are wise. You just need your excuse to hate on Jews though.

When have I ever hated on Jews??

Israel - Yes, I have.

Zionists - also Yes

Jews - Nope

Ahh. Thank you for the clarification. We'll return to the point then. Islam is a load of crap and you know it.

 

[Sunni Man]

Actually, I am quite content with my decision to embrace Islam.

And haven't found any flaws in either it's teachings or doctrine..

 

[Liability]

Actually, I am quite content with my decision to embrace Islam.

And haven't found any flaws in either it's teachings or doctrine..

That's because you are blind, stupid, gullible and retarded.

 

[Sunni Man]

Actually, I am quite content with my decision to embrace Islam.

And haven't found any flaws in either it's teachings or doctrine..

That's because you are blind, stupid, gullible and retarded.

Thanks for not being too harsh on me.

You must be having a good day!!

 

[Jroc]

Or maybe you are wise. You just need your excuse to hate on Jews though.

When have I ever hated on Jews??
Israel - Yes, I have.

Zionists - also Yes

Jews - Nope

As long as they're locked up they're fine

My solution to the Jewish problem.

Would be to round them up world wide and find and island to quarantine them on.

There are several islands in the world that could easily contain the 13 million Jews that currently reside in various nations and Israel.

This way the Jews could build the ultimate Hebrew society they have always dreamed of.

Several gun boats would patrol the waters around the island to prevent any Jews from trying to escape.

This way the Jews could be protected from harm; and the world could finally have peace and security.

Thus a Win = Win for both Jews and Gentiles