Is There a Serious Discussion about Impeachment?

[nodoginnafight]

If anyone can engage in a serious discussion about impeachment, I'm certainly willing to listen. What are the charges?

 

[Oldguy]

What's the likelihood that a Democrat-controlled Senate would vote to convict?

 

[nodoginnafight]

What's the likelihood that a Democrat-controlled Senate would vote to convict?

On what charge?
Are you asking for a conviction without a criminal charge?
If so, I would hope NO ONE would vote to convict.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Treason

 

[Katzndogz]

It depends on how the democrats feel about obama putting bugs around and tapping THEM.

Congressman: Justice Dept. Wiretapped the House of Representative's Cloak Room | The Weekly Standard

California congressman David Nunes made the claim yesterday that the Justice Department wiretapped telephones in the House of Representative's Cloak Room, an exclusive part of the Capitol where members are able to privately interact with one another.

 

[Oldguy]

What's the likelihood that a Democrat-controlled Senate would vote to convict?

On what charge?

That's right. On what charge and based upon what evidence. Therein lies the challenge for the nutty right. They must either come up with a legitimate charge and enough evidence to substantiate the charge that even the most ardent Democrat won't have any option but to convict, or be guilty of another pointless media circus with no other purpose than to enflame their idiotic base.

That latter thing is probably exactly what they'll do.

 

[Katzndogz]

What's the likelihood that a Democrat-controlled Senate would vote to convict?

On what charge?
Are you asking for a conviction without a criminal charge?
If so, I would hope NO ONE would vote to convict.

The same charge that was against Richard Nixon. Abuse of Power.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

I don't think you can impeach based on extremely poor leadership and lying to the public. It's just Carter on steroids. The LOLberals will pay for the blunders next election cycle is probably a lot more realistic than impeachment.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

What's the likelihood that a Democrat-controlled Senate would vote to convict?

On what charge?
Are you asking for a conviction without a criminal charge?
If so, I would hope NO ONE would vote to convict.

The same charge that was against Richard Nixon. Abuse of Power.

Good point.

 

[WillowTree]

Articles of Impeachment

 

[DiamondDave]

Technically there is none.. though I wish the guy were out of office immediately...

Do I think that this guy would or could do something beyond the law?? Because of his ego and his want of his extremist changes, I would not put it past him

 

[nodoginnafight]

What's the likelihood that a Democrat-controlled Senate would vote to convict?

On what charge?
Are you asking for a conviction without a criminal charge?
If so, I would hope NO ONE would vote to convict.

The same charge that was against Richard Nixon. Abuse of Power.

Nixon was charged with obstruction of justice for failing to turn over White House tape recordings that were subpoenaed

 

[Katzndogz]

The three Articles of Impeachment in the Nixon case was obstruction of justice, abuse of power and contempt of congress.

The same charges present here.

If you read the Nixon Articles of Impeachment, they could be word for word the same ones applicable to obama.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Articles of Impeachment

if anything was going to come of the high/war crime of Libya, it would have happened already. It would also be the first time that a president was held accountable for conducting war without congressional consent or a declaration.

 

[Katzndogz]

On what charge?
Are you asking for a conviction without a criminal charge?
If so, I would hope NO ONE would vote to convict.

The same charge that was against Richard Nixon. Abuse of Power.

Nixon was charged with obstruction of justice for failing to turn over White House tape recordings that were subpoenaed

It was more than just failing to turn over the white house tapes.

In his conduct of the office of the President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that: On June 17, 1972, and prior thereto, agents of the Committee for the Re-Election of the President committed unlawful entry of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, District of Columbia, for the purpose of securing political intelligence. Subsequent thereto, Richard M. Nixon, using the powers of his high office, engaged personally and through his subordinates and agents in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede and obstruct investigations of such unlawful entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities. The means used to implement this course of conduct or plan have included one or more of the following:

(1) Making or causing to be made false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States.

(2) Withholding relevant and material evidence or information from lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States.

(3) Approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counseling witnesses with respect to the giving of false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States and false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings.

(4) Interfering or endeavoring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Department of Justice of the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force and congressional committees.

(5) Approving, condoning, and acquiescing in, the surreptitious payments of substantial sums of money for the purpose of obtaining the silence or influencing the testimony of witnesses, potential witnesses or individuals who participated in such unlawful entry and other illegal activities.

(6) Endeavoring to misuse the Central Intelligence Agency, an agency of the United States.

(7) Disseminating information received from officers of the Department of Justice of the United States to subjects of investigations conducted by lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States for the purpose of aiding and assisting such subjects in their attempts to avoid criminal liability.

(8) Making false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation has been conducted with respect to allegation of misconduct on the part of personnel of the Executive Branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-Election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct; or

(9) Endeavoring to cause prospective defendants, and individuals duly tried and convicted, to expect favored treatment and consideration in return for their silence or false testimony, or rewarding individuals for their silence or false testimony.

 

[Lovebears65]

I like Boehners idea. Who is going to JAIL . Is a better question!!!

 

[nodoginnafight]

Technically there is none.. though I wish the guy were out of office immediately...

Do I think that this guy would or could do something beyond the law?? Because of his ego and his want of his extremist changes, I would not put it past him

Fair enough. And if enough people felt that way, they wouldn't have elected him. So you had your shot at kicking him out by the ballot box. An impeachment isn't a remedy for a mistake at the ballot box. You gotta have a crime.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Treason

Ok, make your case. What evidence do you have that the standard for treason has been met.

 

[PratchettFan]

Treason

Sigh. Please make an attempt to read the Constitution.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The same charge that was against Richard Nixon. Abuse of Power.

Nixon was charged with obstruction of justice for failing to turn over White House tape recordings that were subpoenaed

It was more than just failing to turn over the white house tapes.

In his conduct of the office of the President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that: On June 17, 1972, and prior thereto, agents of the Committee for the Re-Election of the President committed unlawful entry of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, District of Columbia, for the purpose of securing political intelligence. Subsequent thereto, Richard M. Nixon, using the powers of his high office, engaged personally and through his subordinates and agents in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede and obstruct investigations of such unlawful entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities. The means used to implement this course of conduct or plan have included one or more of the following:

(1) Making or causing to be made false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States.

(2) Withholding relevant and material evidence or information from lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States.

(3) Approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counseling witnesses with respect to the giving of false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States and false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings.

(4) Interfering or endeavoring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Department of Justice of the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force and congressional committees.

(5) Approving, condoning, and acquiescing in, the surreptitious payments of substantial sums of money for the purpose of obtaining the silence or influencing the testimony of witnesses, potential witnesses or individuals who participated in such unlawful entry and other illegal activities.

(6) Endeavoring to misuse the Central Intelligence Agency, an agency of the United States.

(7) Disseminating information received from officers of the Department of Justice of the United States to subjects of investigations conducted by lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States for the purpose of aiding and assisting such subjects in their attempts to avoid criminal liability.

(8) Making false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation has been conducted with respect to allegation of misconduct on the part of personnel of the Executive Branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-Election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct; or

(9) Endeavoring to cause prospective defendants, and individuals duly tried and convicted, to expect favored treatment and consideration in return for their silence or false testimony, or rewarding individuals for their silence or false testimony.

We have a winner. Give that man a chicken dinner.