Isn't it funny how liberals defend socialism?

[LeftofLeft]

Socialism saved western civilization.

Capitalism is what made this Country great. People seek to come to America for Economic Opportunity (Capitalism). If Socialism exceeds Capitalism, how come people are not seeking to go to more Socialistic Countries by comparison? Name one Country with more diversity or demand among diverse Immigrants to live in that Country? Limited Socialism in the US has some benefits that I believe insofar that Socialism gets people back onto the path of Capitalism. Socialism should never exceed or compromise Capitalism or else we simply become another socialist country....there are plenty of them and they look up to US economically.

No. Capitalism is just a function of greed. Greed makes nothing great. What made this country great was the power of the People to rein in capitalism.

Capitalism is fine, on a short leash.

Socialism is all about greed......the greed of the elite locking in a true 1% concentrated wealth with no upward mobility. The masses believe everything is fair. Communism, Fascism, Socialism, and Capitalism.....none are absent of Greed. Among the four, most people in the US will choose Capitalism. Finally, absent of Capitalism, Socialism's costs cannot be covered.

Socialism is about patriotism. Capitalism has no interest in patriotism.

That statement makes no sense. All forms of government and economies

Socialism saved western civilization.

Capitalism is what made this Country great. People seek to come to America for Economic Opportunity (Capitalism). If Socialism exceeds Capitalism, how come people are not seeking to go to more Socialistic Countries by comparison? Name one Country with more diversity or demand among diverse Immigrants to live in that Country? Limited Socialism in the US has some benefits that I believe insofar that Socialism gets people back onto the path of Capitalism. Socialism should never exceed or compromise Capitalism or else we simply become another socialist country....there are plenty of them and they look up to US economically.

No. Capitalism is just a function of greed. Greed makes nothing great. What made this country great was the power of the People to rein in capitalism.

Capitalism is fine, on a short leash.

Socialism is all about greed......the greed of the elite locking in a true 1% concentrated wealth with no upward mobility. The masses believe everything is fair. Communism, Fascism, Socialism, and Capitalism.....none are absent of Greed. Among the four, most people in the US will choose Capitalism. Finally, absent of Capitalism, Socialism's costs cannot be covered.

Socialism is about patriotism. Capitalism has no interest in patriotism.

Look up the definition of patriotism.

 

[initforme]

Do I owe my employer loyalty? No I do not.
I owe my employer an honest days work no more. He owes me no more than a days pay.
We are at odds and that is what capitalism is founded upon. The conflict, the war between worker and owner. Its basic capitalism. If workers work for the betterment of the employer they are dumb.

 

[Rustic]

A socialist utopia...


Pine Ridge Reservation
Humanitarian Rescue

STATISTICAL DATA

Despite nearly-insurmountable conditions, few resources, and against unbelievable odds, Indigenous people are struggling hard to overcome decades of neglect, discrimination and forced destruction of their traditional cultures to promote a life of self-respect and self-sufficiency.

BRIEF STATISTICS

* 97% of of the population at Pine Ridge Reservation live below federal poverty line.

* The unemployment rate vacillates from 85% to 95% on the Reservation.

* Death due to Heart Disease: Twice the national average.

* The infant mortality rate is the highest on this continent and is about 300% higher than the U.S. national average.

* Elderly die each winter from hypothermia (freezing).

* Recent reports point out that the median income on the Pine Ridge Reservation is approximately $2,600 to $3,500 per year.

* At least 60% of the homes are severely substandard, without water, electricity, adequate insulation, and sewage systems.

* Recent reports state the average life expectancy is 45 years old while others state that it is 48 years old for men and 52 years old for women. With either set of figures, that's the shortest life expectancy for any community in the Western Hemisphere outside Haiti, according to The Wall Street Journal.

INTRODUCTORY

Hidden away, dotted throughout the landscape of America, are the Reservations of the Indigenous People of our land. Mostly unknown or forgotten by the mainstream culture of the dominant U.S. society, the average United States resident knows little or nothing about these people other than what romanticized versions they see in movies and television or else in their nearest Reservation casino. Most assume that whatever poverty exists on a reservation is most certainly comparable to that which they might experience themselves.

And definitely, mainstream Americans are accustomed to being exposed to poverty. It has become nearly invisible due to its overwhelming presence everywhere. We drive through our cities now with a blind eye, numb to the suffering around us. Even more, we watch the televised reports of Third World countries, shake our heads and turn away, rightfully assuming that our government and our charities will help those in need all over the globe.

But the question begs: What about the foreign nations on America's own soil, within this country, a part and yet apart from mainstream society? What about the Native American Nations on America's reservations? Few mainstream Americans know anything about the people that live on these reservations and fewer still know or comprehend the unconscionable conditions present on many of them.

What many do not know is that a staggering number of residents on Native American reservations live in abject conditions rivaling, or even surpassing, that of many Third World countries.

This report chronicles just one Nation, the Oglala Lakota (Sioux) Nation of the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. Yet the name and only a few details could easily be changed to describe a host of others; Dineh (Navajo), Ute Mountain Ute, Tohono O'odham, Pima, Yaqui, Ojibwa, Chippewa, the list is long.

But despite nearly-insurmountable conditions, few resources, and against unbelievable odds, Nation after Nation of Indigenous leaders and their people are working hard to counteract decades of oppression and forced destruction of their cultures to bring their citizens back to a life of self-respect and self-sufficiency in today's world.



Below are further in depth statistics of Pine Ridge

IN DEPTH STATISTICS

* The Pine Ridge Oglala Lakota (Sioux) Indian Reservation sits in Bennett, Jackson, and Shannon Counties and is located in the southwest corner of South Dakota, fifty miles east of the Wyoming border.

* The 11,000-square mile (over 2 million acres) Oglala Lakota Pine Ridge Reservation is the second-largest Native American Reservation within the United States. It is roughly the size of the State of Connecticut.

* The Reservation is divided into eight districts: Eagle Nest, Pass Creek, Wakpamni, LaCreek, Pine Ridge, White Clay, Medicine Root, Porcupine, and Wounded Knee.

* The topography of the Pine Ridge Reservation includes badlands, rolling grassland hills, dryland prairie, and areas dotted with pine trees.

* According to the 1998 Bureau of Indian Affairs Census, the Pine Ridge Reservation is home to approximately 40,000 persons, 35% of which are under the age of 16. Approximately half the residents of the Reservation are registered tribal members of the Oglala Lakota Nation.

* The population is steadily rising, despite the severe conditions on the Reservation, as more and more Oglala Lakota return home from far-away cities in order to live within their societal values, be with their families, and assist with the revitalization of their culture and their Nation.

* Recent reports point out that the median income on the Pine Ridge Reservation is approximately $2,600 per year.

* The unemployment rate vacillates from 85% to 95% on the Reservation.

* There is no industry, technology, or commercial infrastructure on the Reservation to provide employment.

* The nearest town of size (which provides some jobs for those few persons able to travel the distance) is Rapid City, South Dakota with approximately 57,000 residents. It is located approximately 120 miles from the Reservation. The nearest large city to Pine Ridge is Denver, Colorado located about 350 miles away.

* Some figures state that the life expectancy on the Reservation is 48 years old for men and 52 for women. Other reports state that the average life expectancy on the Reservation is 45 years old. With either set of figures, that's the shortest life expectancy for a community anywhere in the Western Hemisphere outside Haiti, according to The Wall Street Journal.

* Teenage suicide rate on the Pine Ridge Reservation is 150% higher than the U.S. national average for this age group.

* The infant mortality rate is the highest on this continent and is about 300% higher than the U.S. national average.

* More than half the Reservation's adults battle addiction and disease. Alcoholism, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and malnutrition are rampant.


* The rate of diabetes on the Reservation is reported to be 800% higher than the U.S. national average.

* Recent reports indicate that almost 50% of the adults on the Reservation over the age of 40 have diabetes. Over 37% of population is diabetic.

* As a result of the high rate of diabetes on the Reservation, diabetic-related blindness, amputations, and kidney failure are common.

* The tuberculosis rate on the Pine Ridge Reservation is approximately 800% higher than the U.S. national average.

* Cervical cancer is 500% higher than the U.S. national average.

* Each winter, Reservation Elders are found dead from hypothermia (freezing).

* It is reported that at least 60% of the homes on the Pine Ridge Reservation are infested with Black Mold, Stachybotrys. This infestation causes an often-fatal condition with infants, children, elderly, those with damaged immune systems, and those with lung and pulmonary conditions at the highest risk. Exposure to this mold can cause hemorrhaging of the lungs and brain as well as cancer.

* Many Reservation residents live without health care due to vast travel distances involved in accessing that care. Additional factors include under-funded, under-staffed medical facilities and outdated or non-existent medical equipment. There is little hope for increased funding for Indian health care.

* Preventive healthcare programs are rare.

* In most of the treaties between the U.S. Government and Indian Nations, the U.S. government agreed to provide adequate medical care for Indians in return for vast quantities of land. The Indian Health Services (IHS) was set up to administer the health care for Indians under these treaties and receives an appropriation each year to fund Indian health care. Unfortunately, the appropriation is very small compared to the need. The IHS is understaffed and ill-equipped and can't possibly address the needs of Indian communities. Nowhere is this more apparent than on the Pine Ridge Reservation.

* School drop-out rate is over 70%.

* According to a Bureau of Indian Affairs report, the Pine Ridge Reservation schools are in the bottom 10% of school funding by U.S. Department of Education and the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

* Teacher turnover is 800% that of the U.S. national average

* The small Tribal Housing Authority homes on the Pine Ridge Reservation are so overcrowded and scarce that many homeless families often use tents or cars for shelter. Many families live in shacks, old trailers, or dilapidated mobile homes.

* There is a large homeless population on the Reservation, but most families never turn away a relative no matter how distant the blood relation. Consequently, many homes have large numbers of people living in them.

* There is an estimated average of 17 people living in each family home (a home which may only have two to three rooms). Some homes, built for 6 to 8 people, have up to 30 people living in them.

* 60% of Reservation families have no telephone.

* Over 33% of the Reservation homes lack basic water and sewage systems as well as electricity.

* Many residents must carry (often contaminated) water from the local rivers daily for their personal needs.

* 39% of the homes on the Pine Ridge Reservation have no electricity.

* 59% of the Reservation homes are substandard.

* It is reported that at least 60% of the homes on the Pine Ridge Reservation need to be burned to the ground and replaced with new housing due to infestation of the potentially-fatal Black Mold, Stachybotrys. There is no insurance or government program to assist families in replacing their homes.

* Some Reservation families are forced to sleep on dirt floors.

* Many Reservation homes lack adequate insulation. Even more homes lack central heating.

* Without basic insulation or central heating in their homes, many residents on the Pine Ridge Reservation use their ovens to heat their homes.

* Many Reservation homes lack stoves, refrigerators, beds, and/or basic furniture.

* Most Reservation families live in rural and often isolated areas.

* The largest town on the Reservation is the town of Pine Ridge which has a population of approximately 5,720 people and is the administrative center for the Reservation.

* There are few improved roads on the Reservation and many of the homes are inaccessible during times of heavy snow or rain.

* Weather is extreme on the Reservation. Severe winds are always a factor. Traditionally, summer temperatures reach well over 110*F and winters bring bitter cold with temperatures that can reach -50*F below zero or worse. Flooding, tornados, or wildfires are always a risk.

* Many of the wells and much of the water and land on the Reservation is contaminated with pesticides and other poisons from farming, mining, open dumps, and commercial and governmental mining operations outside the Reservation. A further source of contamination is buried ordnance and hazardous materials from closed U.S. military bombing ranges on the Reservation.

* The Pine Ridge Reservation still has no banks, motels, discount stores, or movie theaters. It has only one grocery store of any moderate size and it is located in the town of Pine Ridge on the Reservation.

* Several of the banks and lending institutions nearest to the Reservation were recently targeted for investigation of fraudulent or predatory lending practices, with the citizens of the Pine Ridge Reservation as their victims.

* There are no public libraries except one at the Oglala Lakota College of the reservation.

* There is no public transportation available on the Reservation.

* Ownership of operable automobiles by residents of the Reservation is highly limited.

* Predominate form of travel for all ages on the Reservation is walking or hitchhiking.

* There is one very small airport on the Reservation servicing both the Pine Ridge Reservation and Shannon County. It's longest, paved runway extends 4,969 feet. There are no commercial flights available.

* There is one radio station on the Pine Ridge Reservation. KILI 90.1FM is located near the town of Porcupine on the Reservation.

* Alcoholism affects eight out of ten families on the Reservation.

* The death rate from alcohol-related problems on the Reservation is 300% higher than the remaining US population.

* The Oglala Lakota Nation has prohibited the sale and possession of alcohol on the Pine Ridge Reservation since the early 1970's. However, the town of Whiteclay, Nebraska (which sits 400 yards off the Reservation border in a contested "buffer" zone) has approximately 14 residents and four liquor stores which sell over 4.1 million cans of beer each year resulting in a $3million annual trade. Unlike other Nebraska communities, Whiteclay exists only to sell liquor and make money. It has no schools, no churches, no civic organizations, no parks, no benches, no public bathrooms, no fire service and no law enforcement. Tribal officials have repeatedly pleaded with the State of Nebraska to close these liquor stores or enforce the State laws regulating liquor stores but have been consistently refused.

* Scientific studies show that the High Plains/Oglala Aquifer which begins underneath the Pine Ridge Reservation is predicted to run dry within the next thirty years, possibly as early as the year 2005, due to commercial interest use and dryland farming in numerous states south of the Reservation. This critical North American underground water resource is not renewable at anything near the present consumption rate. The recent years of drought have simply accelerated the problem.

* Scientific studies show that much of the High Plains/Oglala Aquifer has been contaminated with farming pesticides and commercial, factory, mining, and industrial contaminants in the States of South Dakota, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas.

* The Tribal nations are considered to have sovereign governmental status and have a government to government relationship with the United States. The Oglala Lakota Sioux Tribal government operates under a constitution consistent with the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934 and approved by the Tribal membership and Tribal Council of the Oglala Lakota Sioux Tribe. The Tribe is governed by an elected body consisting of a 5 member Executive Committee and an 18 member Tribal Council, all of whom serve a four year term.

Maybe all that Indian land should be taken back from the government and given to "the people".

Have you ever been there??
It's shit land...it's worthless. Anyway if you knew anything whatsoever about Indian culture, you would know owning land is not in the culture...

 

[Rustic]

Isn't it funny how conservatives attack socialism?

And the reason for this is...

..."conservatives are nothing more than corporate bitches,
doing what they're told, like good little whores!"​

 

[Rustic]

They are so pathetic. Really. They then claim they are not socialists.

Actually, this country is already pretty much a socialist country. Every pathetic socialist program an utter failure.

Do you know the left in this country are so stupid that they actually want communism? Do you know the left are so stupid that they think Bernie is not a communist? Do you know they are so stupid that they don't know or care that he is a bonafied loser who did not have his first job until he was 40?

What am I talking about. The left are so stupid that they voted for Obama twice and still brag about it, they still think the man made global warming shit is NOT a scam, they still think Billary has never lied, they still think GW lied about WMDs even though we have proven hundreds of times that dems propagated WMDs long before he took office, they still think Booooosh is solely responsible for the economic crash of 2008 even though democrats took over the purse strings and power in 2007.

Was that one long sentence with a lot of commas? I sure hope it pissed off the grammar PC morons on the left.

They sure are stupid.

Why not? They are socialists, whether in or out of the closet.

Have you noticed that half the Democratic party denies in public what they pursue in private?

Look at the gay marriage issue, and how Obama and Hillary were supportive of it so quickly after many long years of 'opposing' it.

IT was not a simultaneous change of heart, it was a simultaneous realization that to remain influential in the Democratic party they would have to come out publicly with their previously private support for it.

A thinking person, sorry libs to leave you out, would have to wonder WHAT ELSE ARE THEY PRIVATELY SUPPORTING BUT PUBLICLY OPPOSED TO?

They're a lot more willing to admit what they're after now, particularly since Obama took office. Capitalism is evil, the Constitution was written by rich white slave owners, America is racist, on and on and on now. They hate this country's history and traditions and are emboldened now.

Just remember that this is still just the end of the spectrum. There are plenty of honest, decent Americans who just happen to lean left. These people are the crazed zealots. I admit the number is growing, but it still isn't a majority of the Left.
.

Forcing socialism on those who nothing to do with it, that's crazed...

 

[Rustic]

Socialism saved western civilization.

Wrong as always. Capitalism is what made western culture great, socialism feeds off of it. Only a fool thinks wealth is created by redistribution.

Capitalism prior to the socialist movement was a brutal heartless immoral institution that was systematically exploiting the working class in any and every manner that could increase profit.

NO one really forced you to participate in being exploited. However, I do think I am being exploited by the health care industry by being forced to buy an expensive product. I'm sure you will not respond because you have nothing to say to that.

Leftists think showing up to work and getting paid whether their company makes money is being "exploited." It doesn't have to make sense, they're just stupid, lazy and greedy. They are owed a living. They think doing any work along the way is going above and beyond

This from the guy who said he couldn't make money without paying shit wages.

No one starts a business just to hire. Dumbass
Profit is the only reason to start a business...

 

[Rustic]

Do I owe my employer loyalty? No I do not.
I owe my employer an honest days work no more. He owes me no more than a days pay.
We are at odds and that is what capitalism is founded upon. The conflict, the war between worker and owner. Its basic capitalism. If workers work for the betterment of the employer they are dumb.

Just as no one owes the federal government shit, and certainly no loyalty...

 

[Rustic]

You are a complete idiot. Corporations don't tell me what to do, nor anyone else I know, unless you work for one. Socialism relies on dumb fucks like you to spread the lies.

If I'm a complete idiot, then you are a useful one.

You argue for the company line. And that is, you want no government at all, so the citizens of this country, will be at the mercy of the most fascist entity on the planet..............the corporation.

Na, the federal government... Dumbass

 

[Rustic]

Isn't it funny that anything the government does to help the people is called socialism by conservatives?

Socialism's "helping hand" means there is always an alternative motive...

 

[Rustic]

Man, people have such varied definitions of socialism .

 

[Rustic]

Do you know the left in this country are so stupid that they actually want communism?

Do you know communism is Natural Selection?

Stop being afraid of what you're too stupid to understand.
Marx's theory of history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Rustic]

Isn't it funny that anything the government does to help the people is called socialism by conservatives?

No, getting people to RELY ON GOVERNMENT and turning them into ROBOTIC VOTES is.

The fact that you think it is anything other than that is what makes morons like you unbearably naive.

Yes, just like businesses and farmers turn into robots when the government helps them

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Socialism saved western civilization.

Wrong as always. Capitalism is what made western culture great, socialism feeds off of it. Only a fool thinks wealth is created by redistribution.

Capitalism prior to the socialist movement was a brutal heartless immoral institution that was systematically exploiting the working class in any and every manner that could increase profit.

I'd have to agree with you.

Nothing has changed. Except now we've added the middleman skimming off the top.

 

[IsaacNewton]

 

[georgephillip]

Do you know the left in this country are so stupid that they actually want communism?

Do you know communism is Natural Selection?

Stop being afraid of what you're too stupid to understand.
Marx's theory of history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Echoes from the...

"Slave[edit]

"The Second Stage: may be called slave society, considered to be the beginning of 'class society' where private property appears.

• Class: here the idea of class appears. There is always a slave-owning ruling class and the slaves themselves.
• Statism: the state develops during this stage as a tool for the slave-owners to use and control the slaves.
• Agriculture: people learn to cultivate plants and animals on a large enough scale to support large populations.
• Democracy and authoritarianism: these opposites develop at the same stage. Democracy arises first with the development of the republican city-state, followed by the totalitarian empire.
• Private property: citizens now own more than personal property. Land ownership is especially important during a time of agricultural development.

"The slave-owning class 'own' the land and slaves, which are the main means of producing wealth, whilst the vast majority have very little or nothing. The property less included the slave class, slaves who work for no money, and in most cases women, who were also dispossessed during this period.

"From a Marxist perspective, slave society collapsed when it exhausted itself.

"The need to keep conquering more slaves created huge problems, such as maintaining the vast empire that resulted (i.e. The Roman Empire). It is ultimately the aristocracy born in this epoch that demolishes it and forces society to step onto the next stage."
Is that where you live?
Marx's theory of history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Isn't it funny how liberals defend socialism?"

Isn't it funny how easily most conservatives lie – it's gotten to the point where they don't even know what the truth is anymore.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

"Isn't it funny how liberals defend socialism?"

Isn't it funny how easily most conservatives lie – it's gotten to the point where they don't even know what the truth is anymore.

Just tell yourself that "I am not a commie...I' am not a commie..." After a while you will start believing it.

 

[bripat9643]

They are so pathetic. Really. They then claim they are not socialists.

Actually, this country is already pretty much a socialist country. Every pathetic socialist program an utter failure.

Do you know the left in this country are so stupid that they actually want communism? Do you know the left are so stupid that they think Bernie is not a communist? Do you know they are so stupid that they don't know or care that he is a bonafied loser who did not have his first job until he was 40?

What am I talking about. The left are so stupid that they voted for Obama twice and still brag about it, they still think the man made global warming shit is NOT a scam, they still think Billary has never lied, they still think GW lied about WMDs even though we have proven hundreds of times that dems propagated WMDs long before he took office, they still think Booooosh is solely responsible for the economic crash of 2008 even though democrats took over the purse strings and power in 2007.

Was that one long sentence with a lot of commas? I sure hope it pissed off the grammar PC morons on the left.

They sure are stupid.

 

[bripat9643]

"Isn't it funny how liberals defend socialism?"

Isn't it funny how easily most conservatives lie – it's gotten to the point where they don't even know what the truth is anymore.

It's not a lie, hose head. I've seen almost every leftwing member of this forum defend socialism. There was even a thread recently where all the forum leftwingers defended Venezuelan socialism.

 

[bripat9643]

"Isn't it funny how liberals defend socialism?"

Isn't it funny how easily most conservatives lie – it's gotten to the point where they don't even know what the truth is anymore.

Just tell yourself that "I am not a commie...I' am not a commie..." After a while you will start believing it.