Isn't it time that all kids be home schooled via Skype online classes?

[WillMunny]

I haven't read the whole thread and I don't have any strong opinion about the subject, by my reasonable concern about homeschooling is that kids aren't regularly interacting with lots of other kids on a constant basis; that can't be good for their social skills. Little kids need to play and have fun with other little kids for proper emotional development.

 

[Zander]

I don't care about teachers, schools, or teachers unions. I only care about our children getting educated. Home schooled children are getting a better education on the aggregate than public schooled and the data proves it. Why does it work so well? Because the parents are fully engaged and they are investing their own time into teaching their own children. Duh!!

Does that mean teachers suck? or the work is not valuable? Of course not. It simply means homeschooling works.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Due to all the problems facing kids today, I personally think it's clearly time children start learning from home. Let's face it, Skype classrooms are coming at some point. It only makes sense. So why not push to make it happen sooner? Before nay saying this idea, consider the following.

First of all the savings would be enormous. It would cut taxes because no brick and mortar schools would be needed or have to be maintained, it would save on energy costs, no trees would be used to print school books, far less teachers would be needed, no other staff would be needed as well such as administration, cafeteria, and cleaning staff. No nut jobs, terrorists, or pedophiles would be hanging around school yards. No teaching of Islam in the classrooms which liberals are desperately trying to implement nor would they be teaching their ridiculous liberal Marxist ideology of transgender this or that. And there would be no need to buy school buses, pay drivers, purchase fuel, or maintain the vehicles as well!

If parents can't be home to oversee this operation, possibly some of the savings from no longer operating schools and paying all those employees could instead be diverted to companies where parents work as an incentive to set up rooms or areas for employee's kids to take their classes online via Skype. And/or other arrangements could be made such as parents taking turns or day care and libraries could be used. Besides Skype, faxes would be used to transfer homework assignments and tests.

At any rate, I think the benefits of homeschooling would far outweigh that of attending school given the current rising costs of education, terrorism, pedophilia, bullying, bad peer pressure from kids trying to push drugs and sex, and progressive Marxism ideology taught by teachers which is what's being heavily reported these days.

What say you?

I say that is the dumbest think I have seen posted in a long time. Most parents make lousy teachers, and, in America, most are as dumb as posts when it comes to science. Just look at this board to see that confirmed.

But home schooled kids outperform their public school counter parts across the board so if you don't care if your kid gets a shit education then send him to public school.

My experience with home schooled kids is that they are more articulate, more polite, mare mature and even more socially at ease in everyday situations.

If you think socialization is merely interacting with people of your own age group or grade that would seem to me to be a pretty narrow definition

Keep repeating that baseless assertion. it just makes people dislike home schoolers. You aren't even smart enough to recognize your own false statements.

I wouldn't expect you to believe it after all you're a teacher but the the info is there and I have posted the source several times.

HOME-SCHOOLING: Outstanding results on national tests

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[Skull Pilot]

I haven't read the whole thread and I don't have any strong opinion about the subject, by my reasonable concern about homeschooling is that kids aren't regularly interacting with lots of other kids on a constant basis; that can't be good for their social skills. Little kids need to play and have fun with other little kids for proper emotional development.

no they interact with all kinds of people in real world situations

Home schooled kids in my experience are more articulate, more polite and more mature in their interactions that the average kid

 

[hadit]

We can all produce anecdotes of single instances illustrating any point we want.

OK. How about the numerous instances I had of parents disenrolling their kids to home school them after 10 years in public school and the child had been diagnosed with multiple learning disabilities? Who home schools a special needs kid when the parents never graduated from high school?

The government school classroom is tailored to one type of kid, the one that can sit still in a chair and focus for an hour at a time, then move to another chair and do it all over again. A large part of classroom time is consumed by the teacher maintaining order, and our standard response to kids unable to fit in that mold is to drug them into compliance. That is not a good thing.

Taking a child out of a government school who is either failing because of disabilities or incorrectly marginalized as learning disabled and teaching him/her at home can give that child a fighting chance at an education that they would otherwise be denied. I have personal experience with one of my children.

Even parents with little education can successfully home-school if they use an online curriculum, with teachers on the other end to collect and grade classwork. There is very little reason most parents cannot successfully home-school.

Your entire post is total ignorant bullshit and shows you have not been in a classroom for many years.

BTW, waht you described in the red text is called a virtual school and it has numerous disadvantages, which is why many students struggle with it.

The reason some parents cannot home school is that they themselves are ignorant and uneducated.

Virtual schools can work, but remember, no one solution fits all situations. The key is that parents can choose (isn't that the magic word?) a solution that works for them. A lot of kids can handle government schools if their parents want to go that route. They may not get the best education, but hey.

I have first hand knowledge that virtual schools can work.

My son took a virtual school class when he was in high school for an extra credit. The first thing he will tell you about the class is that if his father was not a math teacher, he never would have passed. There was little to no instruction or explanations offered because the class was supposed to have a teacher assigned to assist students. Guess who was never available when he needed help?

I am sure there are success stories, just like all of the home school students that win all of these spelling and geography bees, but most kids have a life outside their academics and they do not need that 24/7/365.

There are better virtual schools and there are not as good virtual schools, just like there are better government schools and not as good government schools. That should be obvious.

I'm pointing out that a parent who cares about their child getting a quality education can home-school them even if they themselves do not have a lot of education.

Home-schooled kids have access to a wide variety of experiences that their government school counterparts do not necessarily have. Since their school day is typically about half as long, they have more time to get together with other kids in their co-op, go on field trips, play sports, go with Mom or Dad to run errands, go with them to their work place if it's kid friendly, and go on family trips. In short, they can experience more of life than they would if they were locked in school, fighting boredom and dodging bullies in the hall.

Home-schooling can be very successful for students and it doesn't deserve the incessant drum beat of negativity from the usual suspects who don't care if it works for kids or not.

 

[hadit]

How many children are graduating without being able to read? Lots when you look at it. Public schools have been a failing money pit when it turns out children that can't read with diplomas just for they could get those fed-bucks. how many children graduate school with the inability to read - Google Search

What power does a public school have to make students learn? Tell us.

Used to be kids would be flunked out or have to repeat grades

but we can't have that anymore can we?

They still do...and it doesn't help...you end up with a 16 year old 8th grader. You like that?

Then you flunk him out and stop wasting the taxpayers' money on him

There is something to be said for that. If a kid is determined to not learn, sometimes it's best to get him/her out of the way of the ones who do want to.

 

[Zander]

I haven't read the whole thread and I don't have any strong opinion about the subject, by my reasonable concern about homeschooling is that kids aren't regularly interacting with lots of other kids on a constant basis; that can't be good for their social skills. Little kids need to play and have fun with other little kids for proper emotional development.

You don't need schools for that. Kids can join a baseball league, go to a karate class, join a running club etc.. There are literally thousands of ways to meet other kids and interact. It's a red herring.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Most students have no issues with all of the bullshit you just laid out there.

But what about the ones that do have a problem? Why cant their parents choose what form of education theyir kids receive and they take a voucher for their kids to the place that they think they will do better?

Why not let a little competition in the educational INDUSTRY ?

 

[hadit]

Most students have no issues with all of the bullshit you just laid out there.

But what about the ones that do have a problem? Why cant their parents choose what form of education theyir kids receive and they take a voucher for their kids to the place that they think they will do better?

Why not let a little competition in the educational INDUSTRY ?

At its root is control. There are those who have serious fear that somewhere, somehow, a child may be learning something other than the orthodoxy.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Due to all the problems facing kids today, I personally think it's clearly time children start learning from home. Let's face it, Skype classrooms are coming at some point. It only makes sense. So why not push to make it happen sooner? Before nay saying this idea, consider the following.

First of all the savings would be enormous. It would cut taxes because no brick and mortar schools would be needed or have to be maintained, it would save on energy costs, no trees would be used to print school books, far less teachers would be needed, no other staff would be needed as well such as administration, cafeteria, and cleaning staff. No nut jobs, terrorists, or pedophiles would be hanging around school yards. No teaching of Islam in the classrooms which liberals are desperately trying to implement nor would they be teaching their ridiculous liberal Marxist ideology of transgender this or that. And there would be no need to buy school buses, pay drivers, purchase fuel, or maintain the vehicles as well!

If parents can't be home to oversee this operation, possibly some of the savings from no longer operating schools and paying all those employees could instead be diverted to companies where parents work as an incentive to set up rooms or areas for employee's kids to take their classes online via Skype. And/or other arrangements could be made such as parents taking turns or day care and libraries could be used. Besides Skype, faxes would be used to transfer homework assignments and tests.

At any rate, I think the benefits of homeschooling would far outweigh that of attending school given the current rising costs of education, terrorism, pedophilia, bullying, bad peer pressure from kids trying to push drugs and sex, and progressive Marxism ideology taught by teachers which is what's being heavily reported these days.

What say you?

I say that is the dumbest think I have seen posted in a long time. Most parents make lousy teachers, and, in America, most are as dumb as posts when it comes to science. Just look at this board to see that confirmed.

But home schooled kids outperform their public school counter parts across the board so if you don't care if your kid gets a shit education then send him to public school.

My experience with home schooled kids is that they are more articulate, more polite, mare mature and even more socially at ease in everyday situations.

If you think socialization is merely interacting with people of your own age group or grade that would seem to me to be a pretty narrow definition

Keep repeating that baseless assertion. it just makes people dislike home schoolers. You aren't even smart enough to recognize your own false statements.

I wouldn't expect you to believe it after all you're a teacher but the the info is there and I have posted the source several times.

HOME-SCHOOLING: Outstanding results on national tests

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Your source uses statistical garbage for "proof". I have posted that many times also.

Self-selection bias is what makes your sources as useless as teats on a boar hog.

That's the same reason why internet polls are garbage.

 

[Zander]

Most students have no issues with all of the bullshit you just laid out there.

But what about the ones that do have a problem? Why cant their parents choose what form of education theyir kids receive and they take a voucher for their kids to the place that they think they will do better?

Why not let a little competition in the educational INDUSTRY ?

Because to do so would not protect vested interests.

 

[WillMunny]

I haven't read the whole thread and I don't have any strong opinion about the subject, by my reasonable concern about homeschooling is that kids aren't regularly interacting with lots of other kids on a constant basis; that can't be good for their social skills. Little kids need to play and have fun with other little kids for proper emotional development.

You don't need schools for that. Kids can join a baseball league, go to a karate class, join a running club etc.. There are literally thousands of ways to meet other kids and interact. It's a red herring.

While that's technically true (all depending on the parents and their push for the child to be in sociable settings), a school guarantees that kids will be interacting with each other. It's not a red herring, it's simply an honest concern. Also, I've had a few gifted, enthusiastic teachers in K-12 and I don't believe that home-schooling can replace a truly talented, visionary teacher that knows how to make the "learning experience" a fun, high-energy adventure for students. Even in my fucked-up state I've had a few teachers whom I've cherished all my life and taught me a lot of common-sense things..

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Most students have no issues with all of the bullshit you just laid out there.

But what about the ones that do have a problem? Why cant their parents choose what form of education theyir kids receive and they take a voucher for their kids to the place that they think they will do better?

Why not let a little competition in the educational INDUSTRY ?

Competition?

You don't know the definition of the word if you are trying to apply it to education.

Public schools have sets of law that they are required to follow that makes any competition laughable if the alternatives do not have to meet those requirements.

There are schools that do not educate students with physical handicaps, learning disabilities, behavioral problems, or any other hundreds of reasons they can be denied admission. Private schools do not have to provide transportation, and that often is provided by public schools at no cost to them. Many schools will throw students out for failing to perform academically. Public schools are stuck with the kids who show up.

Now, the ball is in your court. Tell me how this is any way a level playing field for "competition".

I am all ears!

 

[JimBowie1958]

Most students have no issues with all of the bullshit you just laid out there.

But what about the ones that do have a problem? Why cant their parents choose what form of education theyir kids receive and they take a voucher for their kids to the place that they think they will do better?

Why not let a little competition in the educational INDUSTRY ?

Competition?

You don't know the definition of the word if you are trying to apply it to education.

Public schools have sets of law that they are required to follow that makes any competition laughable if the alternatives do not have to meet those requirements.

There are schools that do not educate students with physical handicaps, learning disabilities, behavioral problems, or any other hundreds of reasons they can be denied admission. Private schools do not have to provide transportation, and that often is provided by public schools at no cost to them. Many schools will throw students out for failing to perform academically. Public schools are stuck with the kids who show up.

Now, the ball is in your court. Tell me how this is any way a level playing field for "competition".

I am all ears!

Obviously any regs and laws that apply to public schools regarding everything but secularization should also apply to private schools or they can not compete for the vouchers.

 

[hadit]

The consistent variable in all this is the parents. Concerned parents will make sure their child gets the best from whatever educational situation he/she is in. That applies to government schools and home-schooling. In fact, that is one big reason why home-schooled kids excel. Since it's a LOT of work to home-school, it takes committed parents to make it happen. Thus, a greater percentage of home-schooled kids have the advantage of committed parents.

Committed parents will make sure homework is done and good grades are maintained. Committed parents will make sure their child does not disrupt other children's learning experience. Committed parents will meet with the teachers and review everything.

Uncommitted parents, OTOH, will not, and it doesn't matter what environment you give the child, it will be up to him/her to succeed or fail.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Most students have no issues with all of the bullshit you just laid out there.

But what about the ones that do have a problem? Why cant their parents choose what form of education theyir kids receive and they take a voucher for their kids to the place that they think they will do better?

Why not let a little competition in the educational INDUSTRY ?

At its root is control. There are those who have serious fear that somewhere, somehow, a child may be learning something other than the orthodoxy.

What orthodoxy?

Apparently you like to throw words out there that you have heard but do not understand the meaning.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Most students have no issues with all of the bullshit you just laid out there.

But what about the ones that do have a problem? Why cant their parents choose what form of education theyir kids receive and they take a voucher for their kids to the place that they think they will do better?

Why not let a little competition in the educational INDUSTRY ?

Competition?

You don't know the definition of the word if you are trying to apply it to education.

Public schools have sets of law that they are required to follow that makes any competition laughable if the alternatives do not have to meet those requirements.

There are schools that do not educate students with physical handicaps, learning disabilities, behavioral problems, or any other hundreds of reasons they can be denied admission. Private schools do not have to provide transportation, and that often is provided by public schools at no cost to them. Many schools will throw students out for failing to perform academically. Public schools are stuck with the kids who show up.

Now, the ball is in your court. Tell me how this is any way a level playing field for "competition".

I am all ears!

Obviously any regs and laws that apply to public schools regarding everything but secularization should also apply to private schools or they can not compete for the vouchers.

Florida tried this years ago. They had few takers in the private school community.

 

[hadit]

Most students have no issues with all of the bullshit you just laid out there.

But what about the ones that do have a problem? Why cant their parents choose what form of education theyir kids receive and they take a voucher for their kids to the place that they think they will do better?

Why not let a little competition in the educational INDUSTRY ?

At its root is control. There are those who have serious fear that somewhere, somehow, a child may be learning something other than the orthodoxy.

What orthodoxy?

Apparently you like to throw words out there that you have heard but do not understand the meaning.

Perhaps, as a math teacher, you are less inclined to insist that your students adopt a particular world view. You have to know, though, teachers who are so inclined.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Most students have no issues with all of the bullshit you just laid out there.

But what about the ones that do have a problem? Why cant their parents choose what form of education theyir kids receive and they take a voucher for their kids to the place that they think they will do better?

Why not let a little competition in the educational INDUSTRY ?

At its root is control. There are those who have serious fear that somewhere, somehow, a child may be learning something other than the orthodoxy.

What orthodoxy?

Apparently you like to throw words out there that you have heard but do not understand the meaning.

Perhaps, as a math teacher, you are less inclined to insist that your students adopt a particular world view. You have to know, though, teachers who are so inclined.

I am dual certified and have also taught social studies.

I am always amazed at people who use "world view" constantly in situations where they attribute something they think happens in schools, but have never witnessed for themselves. The old "I heard..." is one of the hardest battles that educators fight because we are constantly be accused of doing things that never happen.

Do you have any specifics or are we just giving our fingers a workout?

 

[RodISHI]

I'm not following you here.

That was sarcasm. Don't get me wrong there are some wonderful teachers but there are many that are worthless that do not belong anywhere near children. Many teachers are indoctrinated with their college education which denotes what and how they teach their class. The majority have joined a union and therefore are even further restricted as to what and how they can teach. The basics of education are being regulated out of existence in favor of NWO agendas. One must be politically correct nowadays. If a bad teacher has tenure they are near impossible for a school district to rid themselves of them.

Become a teacher and be the change.

I have the person that you are replying to on ignore for idiocy above and beyond the call of duty. But I have a question that came from their post that I think people need to see.

In your career, has a union ever dictated to you anything, even microscopically, about what or how you teach?

If a teacher requires union support from a union they are a member of then that union supplies that teacher's legal representation in disputes with the school, the school district and the state. Another purpose of that union is in regard to wages and benefits. The fact of the matter is these unions have taken another role and that is political aspirations to dictate what policies others will live by. Teachers are not being rejected it's the curriculum they are being forced to teach. 'You' must be one of those that are being rejected by the general public. Whether you like it or not other peoples children are not yours to do with as you please.

I ignore bodey. I have several very good friends that are or were teachers. One quit because he was unwilling to put up with the crap from the liberal teachers union. His wife remained a teacher as she was willing to play their mind games. Apparently you merely desire to keep a teacher position going or union job of some sort, so basically you will be on my ignore list along with bodey.

Guess who picks the curriculum?

Newsflash! It isn't the union. School boards decide that. You aren't even familiar enough with the educational process to get that simple fact right.

Your post just proves every false belief that gets parroted down the line by people to lazy to learn for themselves how powerLESS unions are.

Wallow in your ignorance like a pig in a mud hole. I teach math. There is no PC way to do that. In fact, it is pretty well established as to what children should learn and how they should learn it.

Do you know what unions have done for me in 20 years of education? Not a damn thing!

The pay sucks, the benefits suck, student discipline sucks, and most people outside of the classroom are clueless as to what goes on in there.

Despite all that, it is a job I love.

Apparently you live in one area, from what you post it appears that you think you are really hot shit and you obviously have tunnel vision. I went to public schools, even a one room school house one starting out, I could read prior to entering school and so could my daughter. My children went to public schools and my daughter was the honor student. My son on the other hand had to have tutors and he had some real 'hot shit assholes' that would probably sound a lot like you. My grandchildren are generally A students but when they have a f'd up teacher they get f's like any other child. If you can do math you obviously should know that schools are failing many children and whose fault is that? The high school where the children went to school had an administrator that couldn't write or spell any better than a first grader. He got the job because of political connections. That administrator and a few bitches attempted to destroy my son completely because they were too ignorant to know how to teach a dyslexic child. Today son makes more than most with a college education and can do a hell of a lot more than "teach math" and try to fit other peoples children into some f'ing communist box. Feed your shit to someone else as I'm not interested in it.