Israeli Apartheid

[RoccoR]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: Gazians that were Displaced
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

What did the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto contribute to the world?

You are making a false argument.

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What utter nonsense. How dare you rest your defense on this.

The Warsaw Ghetto existed for less than 3 months (April to May).

There is no comparison to be made between the Warsaw Ghetto and the Gaza Strip. The Holocaust was in full swing in 1943. Millions had already died as a result of various extermination processes.

There are no extermination centers run by the Israelis. There are no clouds of ashes from human remains in the atmosphere over any location in the Middle East or the adjacent Arab populations to Israel. Israel is not rounding up any segment of the Arab Population anywhere, either internal or external to the Sovereignty of the Jewish National Home, earmarked for eradication.

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There are approximately (≈) 2 million people in the Gaza Strip.

As you can see from the pyramid below, there are less than 52,000 out of the 2 million (≈ male 27K • ≈ female 25K) (according to the 2020 est.) that could even be of the age that they could have been displaced [Age 75 • 2023 ∆ 1948].

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I have NOT seen a group of 50 thousand 75 year old Arab Palestinians making a claim of displacement. While I’m very sure that there must be some Arab Palestinians that are of the appropriate age, as long as the conflict continues, it is unlikely that any such claims could be vetted and any possibility of restitution be discussed. And the further along the conflict remains in play, the few and few possible survivors of those displaced will be among the living.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israeli Apartheid
SUBTOPIC: Gazians that were Displaced
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


(COMMENT)

What utter nonsense. How dare you rest your defense on this.

The Warsaw Ghetto existed for less than 3 months (April to May).

There is no comparison to be made between the Warsaw Ghetto and the Gaza Strip. The Holocaust was in full swing in 1943. Millions had already died as a result of various extermination processes.

There are no extermination centers run by the Israelis. There are no clouds of ashes from human remains in the atmosphere over any location in the Middle East or the adjacent Arab populations to Israel. Israel is not rounding up any segment of the Arab Population anywhere, either internal or external to the Sovereignty of the Jewish National Home, earmarked for eradication.



(COMMENT)

There are approximately (≈) 2 million people in the Gaza Strip.

As you can see from the pyramid below, there are less than 52,000 out of the 2 million (≈ male 27K • ≈ female 25K) (according to the 2020 est.) that could even be of the age that they could have been displaced [Age 75 • 2023 ∆ 1948].

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I have NOT seen a group of 50 thousand 75 year old Arab Palestinians making a claim of displacement. While I’m very sure that there must be some Arab Palestinians that are of the appropriate age, as long as the conflict continues, it is unlikely that any such claims could be vetted and any possibility of restitution be discussed. And the further along the conflict remains in play, the few and few possible survivors of those displaced will be among the living.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nice deflection.

 

[MartyNYC]

More Israeli lies.

The Arab armies did not attack Israel. They entered Palestine to defend the Palestinians.

The Arab armies did not lose the 1948 war. The fighting ended when a UN Security Council Resolution called for an armistice.

Renowned Arab scholar Fouad Ajami: “The UN vote in 1947 was Israel’s title to statehood. Palestinians and Arab powers chose the path of war. Their choice was calamitous. Palestine became a great Arab shame. Few Arabs were willing to tell the story truthfully, to face its harsh verdict”

The U.N. Can't Deliver a Palestinian State

 

[MartyNYC]

Another Israeli lie. The 1948 war was not the cause of the refugees. The Palestinians were expelled by the Nakba that started months before the 1948 war.

The Nakba and the 1948 war were two separate events. Almost half of the Palestinian refugees were expelled before the start of the 1948 war.

As renowned Arab scholar Fouad Ajami has written, the ‘48 War, initiated by Arabs, was the cause of the refugees. The U.N. Can't Deliver a Palestinian State

 

[MartyNYC]

Arab Muslim human rights activist, former Miss Iraq Sarah Idan: “There is no apartheid in Israel. I am an Arab myself who has been to Israel and it was nothing like apartheid which was imposed by one set of people on another in the same country. The Palestinians are self-governing, they’re not ruled by the Israelis.”

There’s no apartheid in Israel, says Arab beauty queen

 

[MartyNYC]

Do you mean those fighting against the people who kicked them out of their country and stole all of their stuff?

Whose country?

 

[MartyNYC]

Dismantling the Apartheid of Our Time: the Palestinian Liberation Movement as an antiracist struggle​

Arab Israeli Yoseph Haddad: For Arabs and Muslims, Israel is an oasis of democracy

 

[MartyNYC]

Steny Hoyer, Majority Leader, US House of Representatives: Amnesty International has grossly mischaracterized Israel, its democratic values, and its historical connection to the Jewish people

 

[MartyNYC]

Do you mean those fighting against the people who kicked them out of their country and stole all of their stuff?

As the Prime Minister of Syria during the ‘48 War has written in his memoir, Arabs were responsible for kicking out Arabs…

 

[MartyNYC]

Amnesty Intl. Report finds Israel guilty of enforcing 'apartheid' on Palestinians: Saleh Hijazi​

 

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Saudi investor is the largest shareholder in an Israeli mobility intelligence company. “We like the innovation and technology culture of Israel,” said Muhammad Asif Seemab…

Saudi Family Office Builds Largest Stake in Israel’s Otonomo

 

[MartyNYC]

Dismantling the Apartheid of Our Time: the Palestinian Liberation Movement as an antiracist struggle​

Khaled Abu Toameh: Arabs defunding Palestinians, “fed up“ with the “bloodlust for Jews” and rejection of peace with Israel

https://gatestoneinstitute.org/18694/arabs-fed-up-with-palestinians…

 

[P F Tinmore]

Khaled Abu Toameh: Arabs defunding Palestinians, “fed up“ with the “bloodlust for Jews” and rejection of peace with Israel

https://gatestoneinstitute.org/18694/arabs-fed-up-with-palestinians…

Debate. Noura Erakat (Doctor, lawyer, professor, public intellectual) Vs. Khaled Abu Toameh (paid shill for Israel)

Now that would be funny.

 

[P F Tinmore]

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Two state solution?

 

[MartyNYC]

Debate. Noura Erakat (Doctor, lawyer, professor, public intellectual) Vs. Khaled Abu Toameh (paid shill for Israel)

Now that would be funny.

Maajid Nawaz: Israel, only democracy in the Middle East...

 

[MartyNYC]

Two state solution?

Ahmad Al-Sarraf, “Israel is committed to democracy while we refuse to even speak of it. Israel has given minorities rights that citizens in Arab countries do not even dream of. Freedom of worship exceeds any Arab or Islamic country.” The day we failed to learn from it - Kuwait Times

 

[MartyNYC]

Debate. Noura Erakat (Doctor, lawyer, professor, public intellectual) Vs. Khaled Abu Toameh (paid shill for Israel)

Now that would be funny.

Khaled Abu Toameh: “Among many of South Africa's Apartheid laws, the Bantu Homelands Citizenship Act effectively stripped all Blacks of their South African citizenship and of the right to vote.

Israeli Arabs, however, have full citizenship, including the right to vote and to public demonstration. They are represented in all levels of government, including positions as members of Knesset (parliament), in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and as Supreme Court justices. Israeli Arabs hold positions as high-ranking officers in the Israel Defense Forces, including that of major-general in the Central Command.
Israeli Arabs are deans, department heads, scientists, and professors at prestigious universities and hospitals. They are news anchors, journalists, actors, athletes, and are represented in every aspect of Israeli society.”

“The false allegations also come from incorrectly confusing the nearly two million Israeli Arabs -- who make up about 21% of Israel's population and are full citizens of Israel -- with thousands of Arabs whose families left Israel when five Arab counties attacked Israel in 1948. After the Arab armies lost the war they had started, they were surprised to find that they were not welcomed back. They have since settled in other countries – such as Lebanon, Jordan, and the West -- as "Palestinians," but arenot citizens of Israel and therefore, of course, not subject to Israeli laws... If all the Arabs in the area are called "Palestinians," however, it makes it easier to claim grievances, merited or not.”

“Terrorist groups such as Hamas and PIJ are undoubtedly happy to see non-Arabs and non-Muslims -- and even ostensible human rights organizations -- join their effort to falsely depict Israel as an apartheid state.”

The Apartheid Libel to Destroy Israel

 

[MartyNYC]

Debate. Noura Erakat (Doctor, lawyer, professor, public intellectual) Vs. Khaled Abu Toameh (paid shill for Israel)

Now that would be funny.

World-renowned Arab scholar Fouad Ajami, National Endowment For The Humanities Medalist: “Considered one of the most influential Arab-American intellectuals of his generation”…

“The Palestinian ruin was a long time in coming. No other movement has had the indulgence granted Palestinians over the last half-century, and the results can be seen in the bravado and senseless violence...” “The Palestinians tipped power to Hamas whose very charter is pledged to the destruction of the Jewish state and the imposition of Islamist rule.”

 

[P F Tinmore]

with thousands of Arabs whose families left Israel when five Arab counties attacked Israel in 1948. After the Arab armies lost the war they had started, they were surprised to find that they were not welcomed back.

Several Israeli lies here.

Palestinians were expelled by the Nakba not by the 1948 war. The Nakba started months before the 1948 war. About 300,000 Palestinians were kicked out of their homes before the start of the 1948 war.

The Arab armies never attacked Israel. They fought Israeli troops in Palestine.

The Arab armies did not lose the 1948 war. The fighting stopped when the UN Security Council called for an armistice. An armistice halts the fighting without calling winners or losers. None of the Arab states lost anything due to that war.

 

[MartyNYC]

Several Israeli lies here.

Palestinians were expelled by the Nakba not by the 1948 war. The Nakba started months before the 1948 war. About 300,000 Palestinians were kicked out of their homes before the start of the 1948 war.

The Arab armies never attacked Israel. They fought Israeli troops in Palestine.

The Arab armies did not lose the 1948 war. The fighting stopped when the UN Security Council called for an armistice. An armistice halts the fighting without calling winners or losers. None of the Arab states lost anything due to that war.

Fouad Ajami: Self-inflicted Arab plight…

“The UN vote in 1947 was viewed as Israel's basic title to independence and statehood. The Palestinians and the Arab powers had rejected partition and chosen the path of war. Their choice was to prove calamitous.

By the time the guns had fallen silent, the Yishuv, the Jewish community in Palestine, had held its ground against the combined armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq. Its forces stood on the shores of the Red Sea in the south, and at the foot of the Golan Heights in the north. Palestinian society had collapsed under the pressure of war. The elites had made their way to neighboring lands. Rural communities had been left atomized and leaderless. The cities had fought, and fallen, alone.

Palestine had become a great Arab shame. Few Arabs were willing to tell the story truthfully, to face its harsh verdict. Henceforth the Palestinians would live on a vague idea of restoration and return. No leader had the courage to tell the refugees who had left Acre and Jaffa and Haifa that they could not recover the homes and orchards of their imagination.

Some had taken the keys to their houses with them to Syria and Lebanon and across the river to Jordan. They were no more likely to find political satisfaction than the Jews who had been banished from Baghdad and Beirut and Cairo, and Casablanca and Fez, but the idea of return, enshrined into a "right of return," would persist. (Wadi Abu Jamil, the Jewish quarter of the Beirut of my boyhood, is now a Hezbollah stronghold, and no narrative exalts or recalls that old presence.)”

The U.N. Can't Deliver a Palestinian State