It just dawned on me? God didnt create sin

[barn sour]

''sinning'' is ''natural....everyone ''''sins'''..we can't help it = natural

Actually, we can help it. We just choose not to.

Anything you can't help isn't a sin.

so, as I've asked numerous times and just asked Skull, how come males commit 85% of murders? how come females choose so ''wisely''?
--also--to add even more numbers to the overall equation/etc--how come blacks commit murder at four times the rate of whites?

Those statistics have nothing to do with having free will. You should probably look at the differences between the sexes and their rolls in society if you want an explanation of those rates.

hahahhahaha--sure--forget the facts-----hahahahahahahahahahah
..you--also- DON'T want to answer it because it verifies what I said

You're trying to get an answer to why oranges don't rot in the sun as quickly as bananas do. So laugh away and don't give a thought to how dumb your question is.

o--and another thing .....please answer this [ if you are not afraid--like with the other question ]
..how come YOU sin, if it's so easy to choose not to?

When, pray tell, did I ever say it was easy to choose not to sin? Especially considering the fact that to even look at someone with lust in our heart is a sin? We have free will. That we are able to choose doesn't mean we will always choose wisely. Free will simply means we are not just robots.

you said we have FREE will....free meaning it's easy ....also you said '''''Actually, we can help it. We just choose not to.''''!! we can help it--but we choose not to!!!!!???? that's very interesting
...WHY do we choose not to??....it should be '''easy'''....I won't lust/be jealous/etc..so we would rather sin, than not sin....!!????
AND you're not answering the question--again!! how come you sin?..you know it's wrong, but you still do it!!!! why?

....you people are afraid that we are more like animals than you want to believe

...if it's not easy = no free will !!!!

Tell me. Can you chose to sit in the chair or stand on the chair and jump off? It's an easy choice, right? You see it's raining. You can choose to stay in the house or go outside and play in the rain. We can choose not to go out in the rain, right?

We have many choices in life.

Animals vs. Man - Animals have a free will only within their instinctual boundaries. They have no conscience, only instinct. Surely you see the difference?

The question? How come I sin? Well, I am no longer under the law, so "sin" is not accounted to me nor does it have power over me. Which, of course, is not the answer you're looking for.

Why do people sin? Because they are weak human beings. We were created to be one with God. We sin because we are outside of God. Once we are saved, we have the Spirit dwelling in us and sin no longer has dominion over us. It is that power within that gives us the strength to resist the temptations to sin. Sin no longer has the power over us that we thought it did.

........your analogies are not analogies at all = playing in the rain and jumping off a chair --AND those are not natural like eating/sex/anger
....you made the Freudian Slip, by saying it's not easy = something is hindering the choice
....also, you mention god---as I've stated many times on USMB, there is no god, so your answer is without credibility or fact....I give facts [ murder rates/etc ]

Human nature is hindering our choice as to whether to obey our conscience or not. The LUSTS of the eyes, the Lusts of the FLESH, and the PRIDE of life. That has nothing....zero....zilch....nada to do with your statistics, because all those statistics are referring to human beings. Are they not?

Whether you've stated many times "there is no god" means nothing to me.

Scripture tells me the FOOL has said in his heart there is no god. That does tell me something, though.

hahahahhahaah = you have nothing to dispute my facts
...sure, you don't want to deal with facts, you want to deal with fairytales..
..scriptures = opinions and standard man made fairytales
...so you claim god says this/etc --but you can't prove there is a god = you have nothing

Your "facts" cannot be disputed when explained by free will as you claim, and as I have tried to explain to you. Your facts, instead, are explained by the differences between men and women, their ingrained make up, and their standing in society. If you want to have a discussion on those facts, you'd best drop the "free will" stipulation.

 

[barn sour]

You know, I wrote about why the 10 Commandments are here, as well as explained that it's pretty easy to keep them once you know why they are there.

Anyone who says they can't keep the 10 Commandments because it's too hard isn't really trying, or they keep falling back on that old Christian excuse of "it's okay, I'm forgiven".

Actually, the 10 Commandments which do contain the word "covet" makes them very hard to keep. It's the fact that God judges us by the contents of our heart. Jesus explains this in Matt. 5. And Paul explains it in Romans 7.

 

[harmonica]

''sinning'' is ''natural....everyone ''''sins'''..we can't help it = natural

Actually, we can help it. We just choose not to.

Anything you can't help isn't a sin.

so, as I've asked numerous times and just asked Skull, how come males commit 85% of murders? how come females choose so ''wisely''?
--also--to add even more numbers to the overall equation/etc--how come blacks commit murder at four times the rate of whites?

Those statistics have nothing to do with having free will. You should probably look at the differences between the sexes and their rolls in society if you want an explanation of those rates.

hahahhahaha--sure--forget the facts-----hahahahahahahahahahah
..you--also- DON'T want to answer it because it verifies what I said

You're trying to get an answer to why oranges don't rot in the sun as quickly as bananas do. So laugh away and don't give a thought to how dumb your question is.

o--and another thing .....please answer this [ if you are not afraid--like with the other question ]
..how come YOU sin, if it's so easy to choose not to?

When, pray tell, did I ever say it was easy to choose not to sin? Especially considering the fact that to even look at someone with lust in our heart is a sin? We have free will. That we are able to choose doesn't mean we will always choose wisely. Free will simply means we are not just robots.

you said we have FREE will....free meaning it's easy ....also you said '''''Actually, we can help it. We just choose not to.''''!! we can help it--but we choose not to!!!!!???? that's very interesting
...WHY do we choose not to??....it should be '''easy'''....I won't lust/be jealous/etc..so we would rather sin, than not sin....!!????
AND you're not answering the question--again!! how come you sin?..you know it's wrong, but you still do it!!!! why?

....you people are afraid that we are more like animals than you want to believe

...if it's not easy = no free will !!!!

Tell me. Can you chose to sit in the chair or stand on the chair and jump off? It's an easy choice, right? You see it's raining. You can choose to stay in the house or go outside and play in the rain. We can choose not to go out in the rain, right?

We have many choices in life.

Animals vs. Man - Animals have a free will only within their instinctual boundaries. They have no conscience, only instinct. Surely you see the difference?

The question? How come I sin? Well, I am no longer under the law, so "sin" is not accounted to me nor does it have power over me. Which, of course, is not the answer you're looking for.

Why do people sin? Because they are weak human beings. We were created to be one with God. We sin because we are outside of God. Once we are saved, we have the Spirit dwelling in us and sin no longer has dominion over us. It is that power within that gives us the strength to resist the temptations to sin. Sin no longer has the power over us that we thought it did.

........your analogies are not analogies at all = playing in the rain and jumping off a chair --AND those are not natural like eating/sex/anger
....you made the Freudian Slip, by saying it's not easy = something is hindering the choice
....also, you mention god---as I've stated many times on USMB, there is no god, so your answer is without credibility or fact....I give facts [ murder rates/etc ]

Human nature is hindering our choice as to whether to obey our conscience or not. The LUSTS of the eyes, the Lusts of the FLESH, and the PRIDE of life. That has nothing....zero....zilch....nada to do with your statistics, because all those statistics are referring to human beings. Are they not?

Whether you've stated many times "there is no god" means nothing to me.

Scripture tells me the FOOL has said in his heart there is no god. That does tell me something, though.

hahahahhahaah = you have nothing to dispute my facts
...sure, you don't want to deal with facts, you want to deal with fairytales..
..scriptures = opinions and standard man made fairytales
...so you claim god says this/etc --but you can't prove there is a god = you have nothing

Your "facts" cannot be disputed when explained by free will as you claim, and as I have tried to explain to you. Your facts, instead, are explained by the differences between men and women, their ingrained make up, and their standing in society. If you want to have a discussion on those facts, you'd best drop the "free will" stipulation.

so what are you saying? ..the difference in murderers in male and female is because their ingrained make up?

 

[barn sour]

Yep, that's what I'm saying. There are some societal factors involved, as well.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, I wrote about why the 10 Commandments are here, as well as explained that it's pretty easy to keep them once you know why they are there.

Anyone who says they can't keep the 10 Commandments because it's too hard isn't really trying, or they keep falling back on that old Christian excuse of "it's okay, I'm forgiven".

Actually, the 10 Commandments which do contain the word "covet" makes them very hard to keep. It's the fact that God judges us by the contents of our heart. Jesus explains this in Matt. 5. And Paul explains it in Romans 7.

You have a problem with coveting something? Sucks to be you. I learned a long time ago that happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you get. And, I've been pretty happy with what I've gotten over my life, so I have no need to covet anyone else's stuff. But, if I see something that someone has that I might like, I ask them where they got it and go check it out for myself. If I don't have the money at the time to buy it, I save for it. Matter of fact, that is how I ended up with the various bicycles I have had over the years. Started out at the 300 dollar level, and ended up at the end of it with a 4,000 dollar machine.

 

[barn sour]

You know, I wrote about why the 10 Commandments are here, as well as explained that it's pretty easy to keep them once you know why they are there.

Anyone who says they can't keep the 10 Commandments because it's too hard isn't really trying, or they keep falling back on that old Christian excuse of "it's okay, I'm forgiven".

Actually, the 10 Commandments which do contain the word "covet" makes them very hard to keep. It's the fact that God judges us by the contents of our heart. Jesus explains this in Matt. 5. And Paul explains it in Romans 7.

You have a problem with coveting something? Sucks to be you. I learned a long time ago that happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you get. And, I've been pretty happy with what I've gotten over my life, so I have no need to covet anyone else's stuff. But, if I see something that someone has that I might like, I ask them where they got it and go check it out for myself. If I don't have the money at the time to buy it, I save for it. Matter of fact, that is how I ended up with the various bicycles I have had over the years. Started out at the 300 dollar level, and ended up at the end of it with a 4,000 dollar machine.

Aren't you special? Have you ever been crippled and yearned to walk like the other guy? Have you ever longed for enough money to give to your daughter who is trying to feed her hungry kids? Have you ever looked at porn and gotten a bit of a twinge? If you have ever looked at a woman with lust you have committed adultery with her in your heart. Have you ever gotten angry? You're guilty of murder. That's the problem with the 10 commandments. It was those religious Jews who claimed they were keeping the LAW because they followed the letter, but were sinning in their heart. Read Matt. 5 and then tell me how easy it is to follow the 10 commandments.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You know, a lot of people have funny ideas about original sin and what it was.

Sorry, but in the Hebrew (the original language of the OT), it says that God had tasked Lucifer with tempting Adam and Eve. Lucifer did his job, only he did it a little too well, because Eve took the apple, gave it to Adam, and both had a bite. God shows back up and notices they are different. He then asks them about the apple, and why they did it, and Adam blames Eve, Eve blames the serpent, and neither of them take responsibility for their actions.

The original sin was not taking responsibility for ones own actions and trying to blame someone else. If Adam had said he was curious and that is why he took a bite, then apologized and took responsibility for his actions, as well as Eve, I'm pretty sure the world would have turned out a whole lot different.

As far as the 10 Commandments? Those are there to ensure the survival of the human race.

I read Hebrews, where?

 

[Wyatt earp]

I

You know, I wrote about why the 10 Commandments are here, as well as explained that it's pretty easy to keep them once you know why they are there.

Anyone who says they can't keep the 10 Commandments because it's too hard isn't really trying, or they keep falling back on that old Christian excuse of "it's okay, I'm forgiven".

Actually, the 10 Commandments which do contain the word "covet" makes them very hard to keep. It's the fact that God judges us by the contents of our heart. Jesus explains this in Matt. 5. And Paul explains it in Romans 7.

You have a problem with coveting something? Sucks to be you. I learned a long time ago that happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you get. And, I've been pretty happy with what I've gotten over my life, so I have no need to covet anyone else's stuff. But, if I see something that someone has that I might like, I ask them where they got it and go check it out for myself. If I don't have the money at the time to buy it, I save for it. Matter of fact, that is how I ended up with the various bicycles I have had over the years. Started out at the 300 dollar level, and ended up at the end of it with a 4,000 dollar machine.

I despise people like that

 

[Wyatt earp]

You know, I wrote about why the 10 Commandments are here, as well as explained that it's pretty easy to keep them once you know why they are there.

Anyone who says they can't keep the 10 Commandments because it's too hard isn't really trying, or they keep falling back on that old Christian excuse of "it's okay, I'm forgiven".

Actually, the 10 Commandments which do contain the word "covet" makes them very hard to keep. It's the fact that God judges us by the contents of our heart. Jesus explains this in Matt. 5. And Paul explains it in Romans 7.

You have a problem with coveting something? Sucks to be you. I learned a long time ago that happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you get. And, I've been pretty happy with what I've gotten over my life, so I have no need to covet anyone else's stuff. But, if I see something that someone has that I might like, I ask them where they got it and go check it out for myself. If I don't have the money at the time to buy it, I save for it. Matter of fact, that is how I ended up with the various bicycles I have had over the years. Started out at the 300 dollar level, and ended up at the end of it with a 4,000 dollar machine.

Aren't you special? Have you ever been crippled and yearned to walk like the other guy? Have you ever longed for enough money to give to your daughter who is trying to feed her hungry kids? Have you ever looked at porn and gotten a bit of a twinge? If you have ever looked at a woman with lust you have committed adultery with her in your heart. Have you ever gotten angry? You're guilty of murder. That's the problem with the 10 commandments. It was those religious Jews who claimed they were keeping the LAW because they followed the letter, but were sinning in their heart. Read Matt. 5 and then tell me how easy it is to follow the 10 commandments.

Does the other guy have the holy spirit in him?


A simple question, I sure do.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, a lot of people have funny ideas about original sin and what it was.

Sorry, but in the Hebrew (the original language of the OT), it says that God had tasked Lucifer with tempting Adam and Eve. Lucifer did his job, only he did it a little too well, because Eve took the apple, gave it to Adam, and both had a bite. God shows back up and notices they are different. He then asks them about the apple, and why they did it, and Adam blames Eve, Eve blames the serpent, and neither of them take responsibility for their actions.

The original sin was not taking responsibility for ones own actions and trying to blame someone else. If Adam had said he was curious and that is why he took a bite, then apologized and took responsibility for his actions, as well as Eve, I'm pretty sure the world would have turned out a whole lot different.

As far as the 10 Commandments? Those are there to ensure the survival of the human race.

I read Hebrews, where?

It's in the book of Genesis, in the Hebrew Torah. You have to read the creation story and Adam and Eve getting kicked out in the original Hebrew language, and it helps if you have a Torah scholar to teach you through it. Learned that on "Hidden in the Hebrew" with Uri Harel on God's Learning Channel. He was a Torah scholar that taught what was in the OT, as well as some of the subtle understandings of their book.

Incidentally, did you know that the first verse of Genesis in the Torah doesn't say "in the beginning", it says "in A beginning", hinting that this might not be the first time God has created the world. Hebrews believe it has happened several times before.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I

You know, I wrote about why the 10 Commandments are here, as well as explained that it's pretty easy to keep them once you know why they are there.

Anyone who says they can't keep the 10 Commandments because it's too hard isn't really trying, or they keep falling back on that old Christian excuse of "it's okay, I'm forgiven".

Actually, the 10 Commandments which do contain the word "covet" makes them very hard to keep. It's the fact that God judges us by the contents of our heart. Jesus explains this in Matt. 5. And Paul explains it in Romans 7.

You have a problem with coveting something? Sucks to be you. I learned a long time ago that happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you get. And, I've been pretty happy with what I've gotten over my life, so I have no need to covet anyone else's stuff. But, if I see something that someone has that I might like, I ask them where they got it and go check it out for myself. If I don't have the money at the time to buy it, I save for it. Matter of fact, that is how I ended up with the various bicycles I have had over the years. Started out at the 300 dollar level, and ended up at the end of it with a 4,000 dollar machine.

I despise people like that

You despise people like me? Why? Because I'm content with my life, but if I want more, I know how to work for it and get it?

 

[Wyatt earp]

You know, a lot of people have funny ideas about original sin and what it was.

Sorry, but in the Hebrew (the original language of the OT), it says that God had tasked Lucifer with tempting Adam and Eve. Lucifer did his job, only he did it a little too well, because Eve took the apple, gave it to Adam, and both had a bite. God shows back up and notices they are different. He then asks them about the apple, and why they did it, and Adam blames Eve, Eve blames the serpent, and neither of them take responsibility for their actions.

The original sin was not taking responsibility for ones own actions and trying to blame someone else. If Adam had said he was curious and that is why he took a bite, then apologized and took responsibility for his actions, as well as Eve, I'm pretty sure the world would have turned out a whole lot different.

As far as the 10 Commandments? Those are there to ensure the survival of the human race.

I read Hebrews, where?

It's in the book of Genesis, in the Hebrew Torah. You have to read the creation story and Adam and Eve getting kicked out in the original Hebrew language, and it helps if you have a Torah scholar to teach you through it. Learned that on "Hidden in the Hebrew" with Uri Harel on God's Learning Channel. He was a Torah scholar that taught what was in the OT, as well as some of the subtle understandings of their book.

Incidentally, did you know that the first verse of Genesis in the Torah doesn't say "in the beginning", it says "in A beginning", hinting that this might not be the first time God has created the world. Hebrews believe it has happened several times before.

Which Torah? In English????


Yeah and also in the Torah, English it says lilyth not even was the first woman

 

[Wyatt earp]

I

You know, I wrote about why the 10 Commandments are here, as well as explained that it's pretty easy to keep them once you know why they are there.

Anyone who says they can't keep the 10 Commandments because it's too hard isn't really trying, or they keep falling back on that old Christian excuse of "it's okay, I'm forgiven".

Actually, the 10 Commandments which do contain the word "covet" makes them very hard to keep. It's the fact that God judges us by the contents of our heart. Jesus explains this in Matt. 5. And Paul explains it in Romans 7.

You have a problem with coveting something? Sucks to be you. I learned a long time ago that happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you get. And, I've been pretty happy with what I've gotten over my life, so I have no need to covet anyone else's stuff. But, if I see something that someone has that I might like, I ask them where they got it and go check it out for myself. If I don't have the money at the time to buy it, I save for it. Matter of fact, that is how I ended up with the various bicycles I have had over the years. Started out at the 300 dollar level, and ended up at the end of it with a 4,000 dollar machine.

I despise people like that

You despise people like me? Why? Because I'm content with my life, but if I want more, I know how to work for it and get it?

Read it again, no not you

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, a lot of people have funny ideas about original sin and what it was.

Sorry, but in the Hebrew (the original language of the OT), it says that God had tasked Lucifer with tempting Adam and Eve. Lucifer did his job, only he did it a little too well, because Eve took the apple, gave it to Adam, and both had a bite. God shows back up and notices they are different. He then asks them about the apple, and why they did it, and Adam blames Eve, Eve blames the serpent, and neither of them take responsibility for their actions.

The original sin was not taking responsibility for ones own actions and trying to blame someone else. If Adam had said he was curious and that is why he took a bite, then apologized and took responsibility for his actions, as well as Eve, I'm pretty sure the world would have turned out a whole lot different.

As far as the 10 Commandments? Those are there to ensure the survival of the human race.

I read Hebrews, where?

It's in the book of Genesis, in the Hebrew Torah. You have to read the creation story and Adam and Eve getting kicked out in the original Hebrew language, and it helps if you have a Torah scholar to teach you through it. Learned that on "Hidden in the Hebrew" with Uri Harel on God's Learning Channel. He was a Torah scholar that taught what was in the OT, as well as some of the subtle understandings of their book.

Incidentally, did you know that the first verse of Genesis in the Torah doesn't say "in the beginning", it says "in A beginning", hinting that this might not be the first time God has created the world. Hebrews believe it has happened several times before.

Which Torah? In English????


Yeah and also in the Torah, English it says lilyth not even was the first woman

Actually, it says in there that Adam and Eve were created together, at the same time, but then, another verse later says that God saw Adam was alone and decided to make a helpmate for him by using his rib. If Adam and Eve were created together, why did God need to create another one? The KJV is kinda twisted up on this.

However....................in the Torah it says that Adam and Eve were created together, but they had a disagreement about equality, as Eve thought that because she was created at the same time, she was his equal. Adam didn't think so, so Eve uttered the secret name of God and disappeared. For that, God punished her and made her Lillith, the mother of demons. Then, later, when he saw how lonely Adam was without her, he created another Eve, this time using his rib.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You know, a lot of people have funny ideas about original sin and what it was.

Sorry, but in the Hebrew (the original language of the OT), it says that God had tasked Lucifer with tempting Adam and Eve. Lucifer did his job, only he did it a little too well, because Eve took the apple, gave it to Adam, and both had a bite. God shows back up and notices they are different. He then asks them about the apple, and why they did it, and Adam blames Eve, Eve blames the serpent, and neither of them take responsibility for their actions.

The original sin was not taking responsibility for ones own actions and trying to blame someone else. If Adam had said he was curious and that is why he took a bite, then apologized and took responsibility for his actions, as well as Eve, I'm pretty sure the world would have turned out a whole lot different.

As far as the 10 Commandments? Those are there to ensure the survival of the human race.

I read Hebrews, where?

It's in the book of Genesis, in the Hebrew Torah. You have to read the creation story and Adam and Eve getting kicked out in the original Hebrew language, and it helps if you have a Torah scholar to teach you through it. Learned that on "Hidden in the Hebrew" with Uri Harel on God's Learning Channel. He was a Torah scholar that taught what was in the OT, as well as some of the subtle understandings of their book.

Incidentally, did you know that the first verse of Genesis in the Torah doesn't say "in the beginning", it says "in A beginning", hinting that this might not be the first time God has created the world. Hebrews believe it has happened several times before.

Which Torah? In English????


Yeah and also in the Torah, English it says lilyth not even was the first woman

Actually, it says in there that Adam and Eve were created together, at the same time, but then, another verse later says that God saw Adam was alone and decided to make a helpmate for him by using his rib. If Adam and Eve were created together, why did God need to create another one? The KJV is kinda twisted up on this.

However....................in the Torah it says that Adam and Eve were created together, but they had a disagreement about equality, as Eve thought that because she was created at the same time, she was his equal. Adam didn't think so, so Eve uttered the secret name of God and disappeared. For that, God punished her and made her Lillith, the mother of demons. Then, later, when he saw how lonely Adam was without her, he created another Eve, this time using his rib.

No it doesn't Genesis 1:17 it was another woman I just used the name lilyth from Jewish folklore

 

[Wyatt earp]

This reminds me why was the lost gospel written in eygptian Copic?

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, a lot of people have funny ideas about original sin and what it was.

Sorry, but in the Hebrew (the original language of the OT), it says that God had tasked Lucifer with tempting Adam and Eve. Lucifer did his job, only he did it a little too well, because Eve took the apple, gave it to Adam, and both had a bite. God shows back up and notices they are different. He then asks them about the apple, and why they did it, and Adam blames Eve, Eve blames the serpent, and neither of them take responsibility for their actions.

The original sin was not taking responsibility for ones own actions and trying to blame someone else. If Adam had said he was curious and that is why he took a bite, then apologized and took responsibility for his actions, as well as Eve, I'm pretty sure the world would have turned out a whole lot different.

As far as the 10 Commandments? Those are there to ensure the survival of the human race.

I read Hebrews, where?

It's in the book of Genesis, in the Hebrew Torah. You have to read the creation story and Adam and Eve getting kicked out in the original Hebrew language, and it helps if you have a Torah scholar to teach you through it. Learned that on "Hidden in the Hebrew" with Uri Harel on God's Learning Channel. He was a Torah scholar that taught what was in the OT, as well as some of the subtle understandings of their book.

Incidentally, did you know that the first verse of Genesis in the Torah doesn't say "in the beginning", it says "in A beginning", hinting that this might not be the first time God has created the world. Hebrews believe it has happened several times before.

Which Torah? In English????


Yeah and also in the Torah, English it says lilyth not even was the first woman

Actually, it says in there that Adam and Eve were created together, at the same time, but then, another verse later says that God saw Adam was alone and decided to make a helpmate for him by using his rib. If Adam and Eve were created together, why did God need to create another one? The KJV is kinda twisted up on this.

However....................in the Torah it says that Adam and Eve were created together, but they had a disagreement about equality, as Eve thought that because she was created at the same time, she was his equal. Adam didn't think so, so Eve uttered the secret name of God and disappeared. For that, God punished her and made her Lillith, the mother of demons. Then, later, when he saw how lonely Adam was without her, he created another Eve, this time using his rib.

No it doesn't Genesis 1:17 it was another woman I just used the name lilyth from Jewish folklore

Hey, don't blame me for the story, blame the dude I learned it from. Uri Harel, a Torah scholar who has a show on God's Learning Channel called "Hidden in the Hebrew".

 

[Wyatt earp]

Judas written in 300 AD right when they cannonized the 27 NT

 

[Wyatt earp]

You know, a lot of people have funny ideas about original sin and what it was.

Sorry, but in the Hebrew (the original language of the OT), it says that God had tasked Lucifer with tempting Adam and Eve. Lucifer did his job, only he did it a little too well, because Eve took the apple, gave it to Adam, and both had a bite. God shows back up and notices they are different. He then asks them about the apple, and why they did it, and Adam blames Eve, Eve blames the serpent, and neither of them take responsibility for their actions.

The original sin was not taking responsibility for ones own actions and trying to blame someone else. If Adam had said he was curious and that is why he took a bite, then apologized and took responsibility for his actions, as well as Eve, I'm pretty sure the world would have turned out a whole lot different.

As far as the 10 Commandments? Those are there to ensure the survival of the human race.

I read Hebrews, where?

It's in the book of Genesis, in the Hebrew Torah. You have to read the creation story and Adam and Eve getting kicked out in the original Hebrew language, and it helps if you have a Torah scholar to teach you through it. Learned that on "Hidden in the Hebrew" with Uri Harel on God's Learning Channel. He was a Torah scholar that taught what was in the OT, as well as some of the subtle understandings of their book.

Incidentally, did you know that the first verse of Genesis in the Torah doesn't say "in the beginning", it says "in A beginning", hinting that this might not be the first time God has created the world. Hebrews believe it has happened several times before.

Which Torah? In English????


Yeah and also in the Torah, English it says lilyth not even was the first woman

Actually, it says in there that Adam and Eve were created together, at the same time, but then, another verse later says that God saw Adam was alone and decided to make a helpmate for him by using his rib. If Adam and Eve were created together, why did God need to create another one? The KJV is kinda twisted up on this.

However....................in the Torah it says that Adam and Eve were created together, but they had a disagreement about equality, as Eve thought that because she was created at the same time, she was his equal. Adam didn't think so, so Eve uttered the secret name of God and disappeared. For that, God punished her and made her Lillith, the mother of demons. Then, later, when he saw how lonely Adam was without her, he created another Eve, this time using his rib.

No it doesn't Genesis 1:17 it was another woman I just used the name lilyth from Jewish folklore

Hey, don't blame me for the story, blame the dude I learned it from. Uri Harel, a Torah scholar who has a show on God's Learning Channel called "Hidden in the Hebrew".

That's what I was after, was it in Hebrew or English..

I read all the English version s

 

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''sinning'' is ''natural....everyone ''''sins'''..we can't help it = natural

Actually, we can help it. We just choose not to.

Anything you can't help isn't a sin.

so, as I've asked numerous times and just asked Skull, how come males commit 85% of murders? how come females choose so ''wisely''?
--also--to add even more numbers to the overall equation/etc--how come blacks commit murder at four times the rate of whites?

Those statistics have nothing to do with having free will. You should probably look at the differences between the sexes and their rolls in society if you want an explanation of those rates.

hahahhahaha--sure--forget the facts-----hahahahahahahahahahah
..you--also- DON'T want to answer it because it verifies what I said

You're trying to get an answer to why oranges don't rot in the sun as quickly as bananas do. So laugh away and don't give a thought to how dumb your question is.

o--and another thing .....please answer this [ if you are not afraid--like with the other question ]
..how come YOU sin, if it's so easy to choose not to?

When, pray tell, did I ever say it was easy to choose not to sin? Especially considering the fact that to even look at someone with lust in our heart is a sin? We have free will. That we are able to choose doesn't mean we will always choose wisely. Free will simply means we are not just robots.

you said we have FREE will....free meaning it's easy ....also you said '''''Actually, we can help it. We just choose not to.''''!! we can help it--but we choose not to!!!!!???? that's very interesting
...WHY do we choose not to??....it should be '''easy'''....I won't lust/be jealous/etc..so we would rather sin, than not sin....!!????
AND you're not answering the question--again!! how come you sin?..you know it's wrong, but you still do it!!!! why?

....you people are afraid that we are more like animals than you want to believe

...if it's not easy = no free will !!!!

Tell me. Can you chose to sit in the chair or stand on the chair and jump off? It's an easy choice, right? You see it's raining. You can choose to stay in the house or go outside and play in the rain. We can choose not to go out in the rain, right?

We have many choices in life.

Animals vs. Man - Animals have a free will only within their instinctual boundaries. They have no conscience, only instinct. Surely you see the difference?

The question? How come I sin? Well, I am no longer under the law, so "sin" is not accounted to me nor does it have power over me. Which, of course, is not the answer you're looking for.

Why do people sin? Because they are weak human beings. We were created to be one with God. We sin because we are outside of God. Once we are saved, we have the Spirit dwelling in us and sin no longer has dominion over us. It is that power within that gives us the strength to resist the temptations to sin. Sin no longer has the power over us that we thought it did.

........your analogies are not analogies at all = playing in the rain and jumping off a chair --AND those are not natural like eating/sex/anger
....you made the Freudian Slip, by saying it's not easy = something is hindering the choice
....also, you mention god---as I've stated many times on USMB, there is no god, so your answer is without credibility or fact....I give facts [ murder rates/etc ]

Human nature is hindering our choice as to whether to obey our conscience or not. The LUSTS of the eyes, the Lusts of the FLESH, and the PRIDE of life. That has nothing....zero....zilch....nada to do with your statistics, because all those statistics are referring to human beings. Are they not?

Whether you've stated many times "there is no god" means nothing to me.

Scripture tells me the FOOL has said in his heart there is no god. That does tell me something, though.

hahahahhahaah = you have nothing to dispute my facts
...sure, you don't want to deal with facts, you want to deal with fairytales..
..scriptures = opinions and standard man made fairytales
...so you claim god says this/etc --but you can't prove there is a god = you have nothing

Your "facts" cannot be disputed when explained by free will as you claim, and as I have tried to explain to you. Your facts, instead, are explained by the differences between men and women, their ingrained make up, and their standing in society. If you want to have a discussion on those facts, you'd best drop the "free will" stipulation.

Another argument free will vs. predessentation...


We have been arguing this for 1700 years