It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

[Soggy in NOLA]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

America had a strong army when the U.S. Constitution was drafted, we had just defeated the mightiest army on Earth.. you know, the British. And the founders still saw fit to add the second amendment. It isn't just about defending against foreign powers you know.

Are you really this stupid?

 

[RoadVirus]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

There isn't a Constitution right to Tobacco
There is one for firearms

The Left doesn't give 2 shits about the constitution. Obama has proven that time and time again.

 

[American_Jihad]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/288108-obama-wants-to-raise-tobacco-taxes-again.html

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[Lakhota]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/288108-obama-wants-to-raise-tobacco-taxes-again.html

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Yeah, I know. It just really pisses me off when the poor and middle class get hit with a "luxury" tax increases from either party - but especially from Nanny Obama.

 

[The Professor]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

I know you believe in what you say; however I must tell you that in spite of the specific language of the Constitution, the Second Amendment has nothing to do with any militia. I know it doesn't make sense, but allow me to explain.

The SCOTUS has ruled that the Second Amendment has nothing to do with any militia. Some people may be surprised by the Court's decision because they have not been trained how to read legal documents. Yes, the Second Amendment has the introductory clause “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State; ” however,according to the SCOTUS these words merely state a purpose and are not operative. It may seem confusing, but essentially the prefatory clause has the same legal effect as the whereases in a motion. You can have a hundred whereases, but until you get to the wherefore, nothing is binding. The bottom line is that the SCOTUS has said that gun ownership is for personal use such as self protection and has nothing whatsoever to do with any type of militia. Since only the SCOTUS is authorized to interpret the Constitution, the Document means exactly what SCOTUS says it means; therefore, the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with any type of militia. Whether you agree or not, the language of the Constitution means different things to different people but the interpretation rendered by the SCOTUS is the only one that counts. The following links may help:

“For many years, scholars and anti-gun proponents have argued that the Second Amendment provides a right to own guns only in connection with service in a militia, and that this right should not extend to private individuals. That argument was roundly rejected by the Supreme Court. In an opinion authored by Justice Antonin Scalia, the Court held that the right to own a gun is not connected with service in a militia; rather, it is a personal right to own a firearm for "traditionally lawful purposes" such as self-defense within the home.”

Gun Ownership Rights Under Heller | Nolo.com

“Prior to the Supreme Court's 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, the courts had yet to definitively state what right the Second Amendment protected. The opposing theories, perhaps oversimplified, were (1) an "individual rights" approach, whereby the Amendment protected individuals' rights to firearm ownership, possession, and transportation; and (2) a "states' rights" approach, under which the Amendment only protected the right to keep and bear arms in connection with organized state militia units. Moreover, it was generally believed that the Amendment was only a bar to federal action, not to state or municipal restraints....

“The Court reasoned that the Amendment's prefatory clause, i.e., "[a] well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," announced the Amendment's purpose, but did not limit or expand the scope of the operative clause, i.e., "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Moreover, the prefatory clause's history comported with the Court's interpretation, because the prefatory clause stemmed from the Anti-Federalists' concern that the federal government would disarm the people in order to disable the citizens' militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule.”

https://www.google.com/search?q=whe...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

NOTE: The Court also ruled that the Second Amendment did not bar the government from imposing reasonable restrictions on gun ownership.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

You Gun Grabbers should come into my house, unarmed, and compromise for which part of your brains I'll try to leave in your head, if there are any.

 

[LoudMcCloud]

 

[Lakhota]

Interesting that your picture (Ike Clanton) is the biggest coward in that movie.

 

[LoudMcCloud]

Interesting that your picture (Ike Clanton) is the biggest coward in that movie.

He was made to be an outlaw when in reality the Earps where the crooks. Did a huge report in college. I am looking for the paper right now.

 

[LoudMcCloud]

Interesting that your picture (Ike Clanton) is the biggest coward in that movie.

Whom ever wins the war, writes the history.

 

[tjvh]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" means we don't have to compromise with you gun grabbing loons.

 

[Lakhota]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" means we don't have to compromise with you gun grabbing loons.

Tell that to SCOTUS.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" means we don't have to compromise with you gun grabbing loons.

Tell that to SCOTUS.

Miller vs. U.S. 1939

 

[ScienceRocks]

You won't be taking my arms away. You don't have a right to come into my property and mess with me.

 

[Lakhota]

You won't be taking my arms away. You don't have a right to come into my property and mess with me.

I don't want your guns. However, Uncle Sam may want them in the future.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You won't be taking my arms away. You don't have a right to come into my property and mess with me.

I don't want your guns. However, Uncle Sam may want them in the future.

Uncle sam may want to repeal the 13th amendment also would you support that?

 

[jon_berzerk]

here is your list of traitors

Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.); Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.); Richard Burr (R-N.C.); Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.); Tom Coburn (R-Okla.); Susan Collins (R-Maine); Bob Corker (R-Tenn.); Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.); Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.); Dean Heller (R-Nev.); John Hoeven (R-N.D.); Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.); Mark Kirk (R-Ill.); John McCain (R-Ariz.); Patrick Toomey (R-Pa.); Roger Wicker (R-Miss.)

 

[bigrebnc1775]

here is your list of traitors

Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.); Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.); Richard Burr (R-N.C.); Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.); Tom Coburn (R-Okla.); Susan Collins (R-Maine); Bob Corker (R-Tenn.); Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.); Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.); Dean Heller (R-Nev.); John Hoeven (R-N.D.); Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.); Mark Kirk (R-Ill.); John McCain (R-Ariz.); Patrick Toomey (R-Pa.); Roger Wicker (R-Miss.)

The biggest shocker for me is Burr. His days are numbered.

 

[jon_berzerk]

here is your list of traitors

Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.); Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.); Richard Burr (R-N.C.); Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.); Tom Coburn (R-Okla.); Susan Collins (R-Maine); Bob Corker (R-Tenn.); Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.); Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.); Dean Heller (R-Nev.); John Hoeven (R-N.D.); Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.); Mark Kirk (R-Ill.); John McCain (R-Ariz.); Patrick Toomey (R-Pa.); Roger Wicker (R-Miss.)

The biggest shocker for me is Burr. His days are numbered.

all of them need to be forced to step aside

 

[bigrebnc1775]

here is your list of traitors

Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.); Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.); Richard Burr (R-N.C.); Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.); Tom Coburn (R-Okla.); Susan Collins (R-Maine); Bob Corker (R-Tenn.); Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.); Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.); Dean Heller (R-Nev.); John Hoeven (R-N.D.); Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.); Mark Kirk (R-Ill.); John McCain (R-Ariz.); Patrick Toomey (R-Pa.); Roger Wicker (R-Miss.)

The biggest shocker for me is Burr. His days are numbered.

all of them need to be forced to step aside

That one name has to be a typo Jeff FLAKE?

i BET THE PEOPLE OF Arizona ARE PISSED.