It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

And dembulb libtards should learn to be able to communicate their own original thought rather than copy/pasting others'

:eusa_hand:

The OP speaks loudly and clearly for itself - and I totally agree.

It would figure you would agree..

Comparing apples to oranges seems to be your strong suit.
 
Progressives thrive on unarmed citizens. Once the Second Amendment is eliminated all the other follow soon after
 
By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...


nope we think freedom and liberty.....

you think commie and peasant
 
Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...


Advocates for the 2nd Amendment aren't going to fall for a silly article that conflates firearm ownership with smoking tobacco. While that sort of nonsense may fly with sophomoric, tea-sipping liberals, intelligent people know better.

Soft-brained liberals need to be thinking about these words:

"Shall not be infringed."
 
Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...


Advocates for the 2nd Amendment aren't going to fall for a silly article that conflates firearm ownership with smoking tobacco. While that sort of nonsense may fly with sophomoric, tea-sipping liberals, intelligent people know better.

Soft-brained liberals need to be thinking about these words:

"Shall not be infringed."

State and federal courts and legislatures are "infringing" the hell out of it - including Scalia.
 
Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...


Advocates for the 2nd Amendment aren't going to fall for a silly article that conflates firearm ownership with smoking tobacco. While that sort of nonsense may fly with sophomoric, tea-sipping liberals, intelligent people know better.

Soft-brained liberals need to be thinking about these words:

"Shall not be infringed."

State and federal courts and legislatures are "infringing" the hell out of it - including Scalia.


Keep dreaming. The fact is that silly gun legislation isn't going to pass. All the prententious, sophomoric attempts at journalism you post aren't going to change that.

Why are you so gleeful any time personal liberties are infringed?

Were you dropped on your head when you were a baby?

Did mom let you cry too much in the cradle?

Why this pitiful need to control others?
 
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I'm very surprised that the government hasn't already TAXED gun owners into submission.

It would be fairly easy to do, I suspect.
 
America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

The second amendment is needed more today than any other time in American history. Why should we allow that right to be taken away?

What is it needed for? Are the Redcoats coming? Is there a commie in the woodpile? The National Guard is the only close analog to the "Well regulated militia" existing today. The founders didn't trust a large standing army, but the fact is, we have had a large standing army since WW1.

Go to a video store and rent "The Patriot" and come back and tells us all about a well regulated militia.......... unfortunately, I doubt that it will help you figure out any of this.......it doesn't tend to make an impression on dip shits that inherently hate this country and it's past.
 
I'm very surprised that the government hasn't already TAXED gun owners into submission.

It would be fairly easy to do, I suspect.

it might work in some states

however several have adopted their own Firearm Freedom acts
 
By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...


nope we think freedom and liberty.....

you think commie and peasant

yes and more like

a citizen or subject
 
I'm very surprised that the government hasn't already TAXED gun owners into submission.

It would be fairly easy to do, I suspect.

it might work in some states

however several have adopted their own Firearm Freedom acts

Oh they'd use the laws to show us that guns are an interstate industry and therefore subject to FEDERAL taxation.

You know...exactly like they are also trying to do with POT?

I'm telling yas...the model the government is using for the repression of ALLYOUR rights, was tested via the WAR ON DRUGS.


Losing your freedoms?

You should have started bitching when the government convinced you that you do not own your own BODIES.

So many amaerican feared drug use so much that they FREELY GAVE THE GOVERNMENT THE LEGAL JUSTIFICATION for screwing with us in every other aspect of our lives, too.
 
I'm very surprised that the government hasn't already TAXED gun owners into submission.

It would be fairly easy to do, I suspect.

it might work in some states

however several have adopted their own Firearm Freedom acts

Oh they'd use the laws to show us that guns are an interstate industry and therefore subject to FEDERAL taxation.

You know...exactly like they are also trying to do with POT?

I'm telling yas...the model the government is using for the repression of ALLYOUR rights, was tested via the WAR ON DRUGS.


Losing your freedoms?

You should have started bitching when the government convinced you that you do not own your own BODIES.

So many amaerican feared drug use so much that they FREELY GAVE THE GOVERNMENT THE LEGAL JUSTIFICATION for screwing with us in every other aspect of our lives, too.

in south Dakota

the new Firearm Freedom act

is for firearms produced and reside in the state

includes accessories such as silencers
 
You say we have comparable violent crime rates to other industrialized nations? :cuckoo:

US Violent Crime Rate: 475 per 100,000 citizens
(Year: 2005 http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html )

UK Violent Crime Rate: 4,100 per 100,000 citizens
(Year: 2005 http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr1804.pdf )

If you are counting that 3,625 per 100,000! That isn't even close to ours and the UK is SECOND to Australia.

Violent crime worse in Britain than in US | Mail Online
Britain has a higher crime rate than any other rich nation except Australia, according to a survey yesterday

Dig deeper! Who is committing 8 out of 10 of the homicides? Gangbangers.
Nearly 80% of homicides committed by guns in America are gang related! Just like the gang-bangers in Mexico or Venezuela, nearly all the murders are committed by a gun that was obtain ILLEGALLY (NEARLY 100%)!!! Therefore, gun control isn't going to prevent gang-bangers from obtaining firearms! They already obtain them illegally!

What Percentage Of American Murders Are Gang Related? | Extrano's Alley, a gun blog some data mining with 2010 numbers, and extrapolating from the number of murders solved by arrest to all known murders, it appears that approximately 78 percent, slightly more than three out of every four murders, are gang related.

For 2010, the FBI reported 14,478 murders and non-negligent homicides. Of those, approximately 11,290 were in some way gang related.

And, for those of a thoughtful turn of mind, those numbers mean that were it not for gang activity, the United States homicide rate would be in the 1 per 100,000 range.
 
There were over 32,000 motor vehicle related deaths in the US last year. Shouldn't we lower the speed limit to 35 mph, force drivers to wear approved helmets and tax car owners into submission?
 
There were over 32,000 motor vehicle related deaths in the US last year. Shouldn't we lower the speed limit to 35 mph, force drivers to wear approved helmets and tax car owners into submission?

That kind of helps to circle back around to Ed's point about taxation.
Look at the tax, title and registration fees associated to automobiles. Nevermind insurance....

So let's not make the vehicle comparison too strongly for fear they take us up on it

:eusa_shhh:
 
What happens when taxes are too high and there are too many laws is that people stop paying taxes and stop obeying the law.
 

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