Ivanka Trumps Endorsement Of Goya Foods Puts Her In Serious Legal Trouble

Chucky spends a few minutes touting Junior's Cheesecake..............................

Hmmmmmm..........................


 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.






What elected position does she have?


Oh, right. None.

Goodbye.
She’s a government employee which is exactly who the law covers.

Wrong, she is her dads advisor. She gets no pay.
Her pay is irrelevant. She is a government employee.

Not clicking with what an "employee" is, are you? She also wasn't paid for promoting Goya.

OK, so Obama was paid. And he promoted the Chevy Volt. What should have happened to him in your view?
She’s an employee. It doesn’t matter if she’s paid or not. She signed up as an employee. You can be an unpaid employee, kiddo. That doesn’t exempt one from ethics laws.

The president is specifically exempted from the law in question.

You're still only addressing half the equation and obviously doing it on purpose because you realize you're wrong.

If she were PAID by Goya, that would be an argument. She's benefiting from being an unpaid advisor.

But she's making nothing off any of this. That's where your argument falls apart, and you know it, which is why you're dancing and evading addressing the whole picture at once

§ 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.
An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations. The specific prohibitions set forth in paragraphs (a) through (d) of this section apply this general standard, but are not intended to be exclusive or to limit the application of this section.

She's not allowed to endorse products.

Right. She didn't gain. That's the point I keep making. Do you understand Goya didn't pay her? You don't, do you?

Hunter on the other hand got his daddy to redirect millions of dollars his way and you don't give a shit
The law specifically says they're not allowed to endorse any product regardless of personal gain.


You might want to sign up for a remedial reading class, that's not what the law says.

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Yes, it does.
(c) Endorsements. An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office to endorse any product, service or enterprise except:

(1) In furtherance of statutory authority to promote products, services or enterprises; or

(2) As a result of documentation of compliance with agency requirements or standards or as the result of recognition for achievement given under an agency program of recognition for accomplishment in support of the agency's mission.



Did you read the title of the law?

Use of public office for private gain.

ROFLMFAO, what do you fail to understand, there was no private gain, dip.

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Does a company benefit from having celebrities endorse their product?


WOW, now you're trying to move the goal posts because you're getting your ass kicked. Good job commie, your deflection doesn't even warrant a response since it's COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC.

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Nope. It’s exactly on topic.

The title is call use of office for private gain.

Endorsement of a product provides that company with a gain.
Gonna be fun watching you spin this..............

Nope. The law covers executive branch, not Congress.
Ahhhh................so you went from "Govt employee" to "only the executive branch".

Care to quote where it is limited to the executive branch? :iyfyus.jpg: :iyfyus.jpg: :iyfyus.jpg:
It’s in the definitions.


Read the definition of employee and tell me what you find.

colfax_m is now trying to sell that members of Congress are not "Govt employees".

You can't make this stuff up, folks.
:dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig:
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.


Bullshit, since she's is NOT a government employee, she can do what ever she wants as a citizen. Why do you hate free speech?

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Get with the program...

She is Senior Advisor to the President, it was on her twitter account which she used to promote the product.

She foregoes the salary but that is still a position and thus is a government employee.
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.

Watch: Six Years Ago Obama Promised to Buy a Chevy Volt. Now It Is Dead

Yeah, but remember how the Democrats all wanted him investigated for that? Hmm ... I don't either ...

They will say as an elected official he isn't beholden to those rules. Of course, Trump's daughter isn't a civil service employee of the government, so her application vis a vis the law is probably hazy as well.

They got their soundbite, that's all they care about.
Yes. Ivanka is an employee of the government.

A civil servant with a title?
I believe her title is special advisor to the president.

Paid? Civil Service? Senate Confirmed?
No. No. No.

Any other questions?

The law they are quoting probably applies to a specific type of employee. Any idea which one it applies to?

It applies to almost everyone in government:
(h) Employee means any officer or employee of an agency, including a special Government employee. It includes officers but not enlisted members of the uniformed services. It includes employees of a State or local government or other organization who are serving on detail to an agency, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 3371, et seq. For purposes other than subparts B and C of this part, it does not include the President or Vice President. Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or, in the case of a special Government employee, by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day.



employee
[emˈploiē, emˌploiˈē]

NOUN
  1. a person employed for wages or salary,
Doesn't apply to volunteers, dip.

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I don't know where you got that definition, maybe a dictionary.

But the legal definition written in law says this:
Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or, in the case of a special Government employee, by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day.

Thanks for the effort, dip. You're wrong again.


Wrong, you have to be an employee to have a pay or leave status. Where ever you got your poor education, you should ask for a refund.

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Ivanka is an employee. Whether she is paid or not is irrelevant.

She said so herself:
“I will instead serve as an unpaid employee in the White House Office, subject to all of the same rules as other federal employees.”


You’re about the third dumbass I’ve proven wrong at this point and y’all just run away without ever manning up and admitting it.


Your opinion isn't fact, actually it's more of a fantasy. LMAO

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Im not giving you my opinion. I’m literally quoting Ivanka announcing that she’s a federal employee.

Can you respond to the quote from Ivanka?


The same damn article says she's not.

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It says she wasn’t an employee but after people criticized her for trying to evade the rules, she became an employee.

I swear, you guys are really shitty at reading.


Feel free to point out what I might have missed.

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I just did.

She tried to get away with pretending she wasn’t an employee while doing everything an employee would do (such as having an office) but was called out on her attempt to evade accountability.

So she reversed course and accepted an official position.
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.






What elected position does she have?


Oh, right. None.

Goodbye.
She’s a government employee which is exactly who the law covers.

Wrong, she is her dads advisor. She gets no pay.
Her pay is irrelevant. She is a government employee.

Not clicking with what an "employee" is, are you? She also wasn't paid for promoting Goya.

OK, so Obama was paid. And he promoted the Chevy Volt. What should have happened to him in your view?
She’s an employee. It doesn’t matter if she’s paid or not. She signed up as an employee. You can be an unpaid employee, kiddo. That doesn’t exempt one from ethics laws.

The president is specifically exempted from the law in question.

You're still only addressing half the equation and obviously doing it on purpose because you realize you're wrong.

If she were PAID by Goya, that would be an argument. She's benefiting from being an unpaid advisor.

But she's making nothing off any of this. That's where your argument falls apart, and you know it, which is why you're dancing and evading addressing the whole picture at once

§ 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.
An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations. The specific prohibitions set forth in paragraphs (a) through (d) of this section apply this general standard, but are not intended to be exclusive or to limit the application of this section.

She's not allowed to endorse products.

Right. She didn't gain. That's the point I keep making. Do you understand Goya didn't pay her? You don't, do you?

Hunter on the other hand got his daddy to redirect millions of dollars his way and you don't give a shit
The law specifically says they're not allowed to endorse any product regardless of personal gain.


You might want to sign up for a remedial reading class, that's not what the law says.

.

Yes, it does.
(c) Endorsements. An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office to endorse any product, service or enterprise except:

(1) In furtherance of statutory authority to promote products, services or enterprises; or

(2) As a result of documentation of compliance with agency requirements or standards or as the result of recognition for achievement given under an agency program of recognition for accomplishment in support of the agency's mission.



Did you read the title of the law?

Use of public office for private gain.

ROFLMFAO, what do you fail to understand, there was no private gain, dip.

.

Does a company benefit from having celebrities endorse their product?


WOW, now you're trying to move the goal posts because you're getting your ass kicked. Good job commie, your deflection doesn't even warrant a response since it's COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC.

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Nope. It’s exactly on topic.

The title is call use of office for private gain.

Endorsement of a product provides that company with a gain.
Gonna be fun watching you spin this..............

Nope. The law covers executive branch, not Congress.
Ahhhh................so you went from "Govt employee" to "only the executive branch".

Care to quote where it is limited to the executive branch? :iyfyus.jpg: :iyfyus.jpg: :iyfyus.jpg:
It’s in the definitions.


Read the definition of employee and tell me what you find.

colfax_m is now trying to sell that members of Congress are not "Govt employees".

You can't make this stuff up, folks.
:dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig:
Did you look up the definition of a government employee?

What did you find?
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.


Bullshit, since she's is NOT a government employee, she can do what ever she wants as a citizen. Why do you hate free speech?

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Get with the program...

She is Senior Advisor to the President, it was on her twitter account which she used to promote the product.

She foregoes the salary but that is still a position and thus is a government employee.


Wrong skippy, there are laws against people in government hiring their family, she serves in a volunteer capacity, not an employee, that would be illegal. Think Kennedy hiring his brother as AG.

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Every day each side picks out some small(by comparison) piece of trash to throw at each other, in the meantime people are dying, & important things that effect our future are going on. The extremes have taken over the microphone. measured and thoughtful planning lost.

Hard not to pick it... It was very blatant...

Saying that time will be not wasted on it but the ethics watchdog will probably tell her that she broke the law...

She could probably complain and say 'Daddy breaks the law everyday and nothing happens to him'...
 
Obama endorsed the Blackberry, no matter ne cared then and no one but scum partisans care about it now.
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.


Bullshit, since she's is NOT a government employee, she can do what ever she wants as a citizen. Why do you hate free speech?

.

Get with the program...

She is Senior Advisor to the President, it was on her twitter account which she used to promote the product.

She foregoes the salary but that is still a position and thus is a government employee.


Wrong skippy, there are laws against people in government hiring their family, she serves in a volunteer capacity, not an employee, that would be illegal. Think Kennedy hiring his brother as AG.

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Nepotism laws don't apply to the president.

Ivanka is quoted as saying she's an employee, but you keep repeating this stupid lie.
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.


Bullshit, since she's is NOT a government employee, she can do what ever she wants as a citizen. Why do you hate free speech?

.

Get with the program...

She is Senior Advisor to the President, it was on her twitter account which she used to promote the product.

She foregoes the salary but that is still a position and thus is a government employee.


Wrong skippy, there are laws against people in government hiring their family, she serves in a volunteer capacity, not an employee, that would be illegal. Think Kennedy hiring his brother as AG.

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Sorry but she is a Government Employee that takes no salary.


Status = Employee.....

You better remove that egg from your face..
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.

Watch: Six Years Ago Obama Promised to Buy a Chevy Volt. Now It Is Dead

Yeah, but remember how the Democrats all wanted him investigated for that? Hmm ... I don't either ...

They will say as an elected official he isn't beholden to those rules. Of course, Trump's daughter isn't a civil service employee of the government, so her application vis a vis the law is probably hazy as well.

They got their soundbite, that's all they care about.
Yes. Ivanka is an employee of the government.

A civil servant with a title?
I believe her title is special advisor to the president.

Paid? Civil Service? Senate Confirmed?
No. No. No.

Any other questions?

The law they are quoting probably applies to a specific type of employee. Any idea which one it applies to?

It applies to almost everyone in government:
(h) Employee means any officer or employee of an agency, including a special Government employee. It includes officers but not enlisted members of the uniformed services. It includes employees of a State or local government or other organization who are serving on detail to an agency, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 3371, et seq. For purposes other than subparts B and C of this part, it does not include the President or Vice President. Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or, in the case of a special Government employee, by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day.



employee
[emˈploiē, emˌploiˈē]

NOUN
  1. a person employed for wages or salary,
Doesn't apply to volunteers, dip.

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I don't know where you got that definition, maybe a dictionary.

But the legal definition written in law says this:
Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or, in the case of a special Government employee, by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day.

Thanks for the effort, dip. You're wrong again.


Wrong, you have to be an employee to have a pay or leave status. Where ever you got your poor education, you should ask for a refund.

.

Ivanka is an employee. Whether she is paid or not is irrelevant.

She said so herself:
“I will instead serve as an unpaid employee in the White House Office, subject to all of the same rules as other federal employees.”


You’re about the third dumbass I’ve proven wrong at this point and y’all just run away without ever manning up and admitting it.


Your opinion isn't fact, actually it's more of a fantasy. LMAO

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Im not giving you my opinion. I’m literally quoting Ivanka announcing that she’s a federal employee.

Can you respond to the quote from Ivanka?


The same damn article says she's not.

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It says she wasn’t an employee but after people criticized her for trying to evade the rules, she became an employee.

I swear, you guys are really shitty at reading.


Feel free to point out what I might have missed.

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I just did.

She tried to get away with pretending she wasn’t an employee while doing everything an employee would do (such as having an office) but was called out on her attempt to evade accountability.

So she reversed course and accepted an official position.


Like I just explained to one of your uninformed comrades, she can't hold an official position, that would be illegal.

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Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.


Bullshit, since she's is NOT a government employee, she can do what ever she wants as a citizen. Why do you hate free speech?

.

Get with the program...

She is Senior Advisor to the President, it was on her twitter account which she used to promote the product.

She foregoes the salary but that is still a position and thus is a government employee.


Wrong skippy, there are laws against people in government hiring their family, she serves in a volunteer capacity, not an employee, that would be illegal. Think Kennedy hiring his brother as AG.

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Nepotism laws don't apply to the president.

Ivanka is quoted as saying she's an employee, but you keep repeating this stupid lie.


Actually it does, the example I cited was the reason for the damn law in the first place.

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Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.

Watch: Six Years Ago Obama Promised to Buy a Chevy Volt. Now It Is Dead

Yeah, but remember how the Democrats all wanted him investigated for that? Hmm ... I don't either ...

They will say as an elected official he isn't beholden to those rules. Of course, Trump's daughter isn't a civil service employee of the government, so her application vis a vis the law is probably hazy as well.

They got their soundbite, that's all they care about.
Yes. Ivanka is an employee of the government.

A civil servant with a title?
I believe her title is special advisor to the president.

Paid? Civil Service? Senate Confirmed?
No. No. No.

Any other questions?

The law they are quoting probably applies to a specific type of employee. Any idea which one it applies to?

It applies to almost everyone in government:
(h) Employee means any officer or employee of an agency, including a special Government employee. It includes officers but not enlisted members of the uniformed services. It includes employees of a State or local government or other organization who are serving on detail to an agency, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 3371, et seq. For purposes other than subparts B and C of this part, it does not include the President or Vice President. Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or, in the case of a special Government employee, by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day.



employee
[emˈploiē, emˌploiˈē]

NOUN
  1. a person employed for wages or salary,
Doesn't apply to volunteers, dip.

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I don't know where you got that definition, maybe a dictionary.

But the legal definition written in law says this:
Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or, in the case of a special Government employee, by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day.

Thanks for the effort, dip. You're wrong again.


Wrong, you have to be an employee to have a pay or leave status. Where ever you got your poor education, you should ask for a refund.

.

Ivanka is an employee. Whether she is paid or not is irrelevant.

She said so herself:
“I will instead serve as an unpaid employee in the White House Office, subject to all of the same rules as other federal employees.”


You’re about the third dumbass I’ve proven wrong at this point and y’all just run away without ever manning up and admitting it.


Your opinion isn't fact, actually it's more of a fantasy. LMAO

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Im not giving you my opinion. I’m literally quoting Ivanka announcing that she’s a federal employee.

Can you respond to the quote from Ivanka?


The same damn article says she's not.

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It says she wasn’t an employee but after people criticized her for trying to evade the rules, she became an employee.

I swear, you guys are really shitty at reading.


Feel free to point out what I might have missed.

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I just did.

She tried to get away with pretending she wasn’t an employee while doing everything an employee would do (such as having an office) but was called out on her attempt to evade accountability.

So she reversed course and accepted an official position.


Like I just explained to one of your uninformed comrades, she can't hold an official position, that would be illegal.

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Better tell the lawyers at the office of legal counsel because they seem to be just as uninformed as me.


So, how bout it Tex. Going to double down and pretend you know the law better than the OLC? Not that it matters since the OLC opinion actually counts and your opinion doesn't.

Here's the memo.
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.






What elected position does she have?


Oh, right. None.

Goodbye.
She’s a government employee which is exactly who the law covers.

Wrong, she is her dads advisor. She gets no pay.
Her pay is irrelevant. She is a government employee.

Not clicking with what an "employee" is, are you? She also wasn't paid for promoting Goya.

OK, so Obama was paid. And he promoted the Chevy Volt. What should have happened to him in your view?
She’s an employee. It doesn’t matter if she’s paid or not. She signed up as an employee. You can be an unpaid employee, kiddo. That doesn’t exempt one from ethics laws.

The president is specifically exempted from the law in question.

You're still only addressing half the equation and obviously doing it on purpose because you realize you're wrong.

If she were PAID by Goya, that would be an argument. She's benefiting from being an unpaid advisor.

But she's making nothing off any of this. That's where your argument falls apart, and you know it, which is why you're dancing and evading addressing the whole picture at once

§ 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.
An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations. The specific prohibitions set forth in paragraphs (a) through (d) of this section apply this general standard, but are not intended to be exclusive or to limit the application of this section.

She's not allowed to endorse products.

Right. She didn't gain. That's the point I keep making. Do you understand Goya didn't pay her? You don't, do you?

Hunter on the other hand got his daddy to redirect millions of dollars his way and you don't give a shit
The law specifically says they're not allowed to endorse any product regardless of personal gain.


You might want to sign up for a remedial reading class, that's not what the law says.

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Yes, it does.
(c) Endorsements. An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office to endorse any product, service or enterprise except:

(1) In furtherance of statutory authority to promote products, services or enterprises; or

(2) As a result of documentation of compliance with agency requirements or standards or as the result of recognition for achievement given under an agency program of recognition for accomplishment in support of the agency's mission.



Did you read the title of the law?

Use of public office for private gain.

ROFLMFAO, what do you fail to understand, there was no private gain, dip.

.

Does a company benefit from having celebrities endorse their product?


WOW, now you're trying to move the goal posts because you're getting your ass kicked. Good job commie, your deflection doesn't even warrant a response since it's COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC.

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Nope. It’s exactly on topic.

The title is call use of office for private gain.

Endorsement of a product provides that company with a gain.
Gonna be fun watching you spin this..............

Nope. The law covers executive branch, not Congress.
Ahhhh................so you went from "Govt employee" to "only the executive branch".

Care to quote where it is limited to the executive branch? :iyfyus.jpg: :iyfyus.jpg: :iyfyus.jpg:
It’s in the definitions.


Read the definition of employee and tell me what you find.

colfax_m is now trying to sell that members of Congress are not "Govt employees".

You can't make this stuff up, folks.
:dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig:
Did you look up the definition of a government employee?

What did you find?
Don't have to look it up to know Schumer is on my payroll and is a govt employee.

Sorry for your colossal ignorance.
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.


Bullshit, since she's is NOT a government employee, she can do what ever she wants as a citizen. Why do you hate free speech?

.

Get with the program...

She is Senior Advisor to the President, it was on her twitter account which she used to promote the product.

She foregoes the salary but that is still a position and thus is a government employee.


Wrong skippy, there are laws against people in government hiring their family, she serves in a volunteer capacity, not an employee, that would be illegal. Think Kennedy hiring his brother as AG.

.

Sorry but she is a Government Employee that takes no salary.


Status = Employee.....

You better remove that egg from your face..


Not an employee in any legal or traditional sense. Federal employees get pay and benefits.

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Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.
TDS lol

Sorry but you are too late for the Daily TDS Fruitcake award. But if you want a different experience, we can have Rump stop too fast and you can get a tour of his Colon.
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.






What elected position does she have?


Oh, right. None.

Goodbye.
She’s a government employee which is exactly who the law covers.

Wrong, she is her dads advisor. She gets no pay.
Her pay is irrelevant. She is a government employee.

Not clicking with what an "employee" is, are you? She also wasn't paid for promoting Goya.

OK, so Obama was paid. And he promoted the Chevy Volt. What should have happened to him in your view?
She’s an employee. It doesn’t matter if she’s paid or not. She signed up as an employee. You can be an unpaid employee, kiddo. That doesn’t exempt one from ethics laws.

The president is specifically exempted from the law in question.

You're still only addressing half the equation and obviously doing it on purpose because you realize you're wrong.

If she were PAID by Goya, that would be an argument. She's benefiting from being an unpaid advisor.

But she's making nothing off any of this. That's where your argument falls apart, and you know it, which is why you're dancing and evading addressing the whole picture at once

§ 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.
An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations. The specific prohibitions set forth in paragraphs (a) through (d) of this section apply this general standard, but are not intended to be exclusive or to limit the application of this section.

She's not allowed to endorse products.

Right. She didn't gain. That's the point I keep making. Do you understand Goya didn't pay her? You don't, do you?

Hunter on the other hand got his daddy to redirect millions of dollars his way and you don't give a shit
The law specifically says they're not allowed to endorse any product regardless of personal gain.


You might want to sign up for a remedial reading class, that's not what the law says.

.

Yes, it does.
(c) Endorsements. An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office to endorse any product, service or enterprise except:

(1) In furtherance of statutory authority to promote products, services or enterprises; or

(2) As a result of documentation of compliance with agency requirements or standards or as the result of recognition for achievement given under an agency program of recognition for accomplishment in support of the agency's mission.



Did you read the title of the law?

Use of public office for private gain.

ROFLMFAO, what do you fail to understand, there was no private gain, dip.

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Does a company benefit from having celebrities endorse their product?


WOW, now you're trying to move the goal posts because you're getting your ass kicked. Good job commie, your deflection doesn't even warrant a response since it's COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC.

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Nope. It’s exactly on topic.

The title is call use of office for private gain.

Endorsement of a product provides that company with a gain.
Gonna be fun watching you spin this..............

Nope. The law covers executive branch, not Congress.
Ahhhh................so you went from "Govt employee" to "only the executive branch".

Care to quote where it is limited to the executive branch? :iyfyus.jpg: :iyfyus.jpg: :iyfyus.jpg:
It’s in the definitions.


Read the definition of employee and tell me what you find.

colfax_m is now trying to sell that members of Congress are not "Govt employees".

You can't make this stuff up, folks.
:dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig:
Did you look up the definition of a government employee?

What did you find?
Don't have to look it up to know Schumer is on my payroll and is a govt employee.

Sorry for your colossal ignorance.

My ignorance? You're the one that refuses to actually read the law in question. If you did, you'd realize you're wrong which is why you won't do it.

Coward.
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.


Bullshit, since she's is NOT a government employee, she can do what ever she wants as a citizen. Why do you hate free speech?

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Get with the program...

She is Senior Advisor to the President, it was on her twitter account which she used to promote the product.

She foregoes the salary but that is still a position and thus is a government employee.


Wrong skippy, there are laws against people in government hiring their family, she serves in a volunteer capacity, not an employee, that would be illegal. Think Kennedy hiring his brother as AG.

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Sorry but she is a Government Employee that takes no salary.


Status = Employee.....

You better remove that egg from your face..


Not an employee in any legal or traditional sense. Federal employees get pay and benefits.

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Very much an employee in the legal sense, which is all that matters.
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.






What elected position does she have?


Oh, right. None.

Goodbye.
She’s a government employee which is exactly who the law covers.

Wrong, she is her dads advisor. She gets no pay.
Her pay is irrelevant. She is a government employee.

Not clicking with what an "employee" is, are you? She also wasn't paid for promoting Goya.

OK, so Obama was paid. And he promoted the Chevy Volt. What should have happened to him in your view?
She’s an employee. It doesn’t matter if she’s paid or not. She signed up as an employee. You can be an unpaid employee, kiddo. That doesn’t exempt one from ethics laws.

The president is specifically exempted from the law in question.

You're still only addressing half the equation and obviously doing it on purpose because you realize you're wrong.

If she were PAID by Goya, that would be an argument. She's benefiting from being an unpaid advisor.

But she's making nothing off any of this. That's where your argument falls apart, and you know it, which is why you're dancing and evading addressing the whole picture at once

§ 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.
An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations. The specific prohibitions set forth in paragraphs (a) through (d) of this section apply this general standard, but are not intended to be exclusive or to limit the application of this section.

She's not allowed to endorse products.

Right. She didn't gain. That's the point I keep making. Do you understand Goya didn't pay her? You don't, do you?

Hunter on the other hand got his daddy to redirect millions of dollars his way and you don't give a shit
The law specifically says they're not allowed to endorse any product regardless of personal gain.


You might want to sign up for a remedial reading class, that's not what the law says.

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Yes, it does.
(c) Endorsements. An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office to endorse any product, service or enterprise except:

(1) In furtherance of statutory authority to promote products, services or enterprises; or

(2) As a result of documentation of compliance with agency requirements or standards or as the result of recognition for achievement given under an agency program of recognition for accomplishment in support of the agency's mission.



Did you read the title of the law?

Use of public office for private gain.

ROFLMFAO, what do you fail to understand, there was no private gain, dip.

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Does a company benefit from having celebrities endorse their product?


WOW, now you're trying to move the goal posts because you're getting your ass kicked. Good job commie, your deflection doesn't even warrant a response since it's COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC.

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Nope. It’s exactly on topic.

The title is call use of office for private gain.

Endorsement of a product provides that company with a gain.
Gonna be fun watching you spin this..............

Nope. The law covers executive branch, not Congress.
Ahhhh................so you went from "Govt employee" to "only the executive branch".

Care to quote where it is limited to the executive branch? :iyfyus.jpg: :iyfyus.jpg: :iyfyus.jpg:
It’s in the definitions.


Read the definition of employee and tell me what you find.

colfax_m is now trying to sell that members of Congress are not "Govt employees".

You can't make this stuff up, folks.
:dig: :dig: :dig: :dig: :dig:
Did you look up the definition of a government employee?

What did you find?
Don't have to look it up to know Schumer is on my payroll and is a govt employee.

Sorry for your colossal ignorance.

My ignorance? You're the one that refuses to actually read the law in question. If you did, you'd realize you're wrong which is why you won't do it.

Coward.


Keep telling us how Senators and members of Congress aren't paid by the govt, Fuckwit. :abgg2q.jpg:
 
Ms. Trump’s Goya tweet is clearly a violation of the government’s misuse of position regulation, 5 C.F.R. § 2635.702. Ms. Trump has had ethics training. She knows better. But she did it anyway because no one in this administration cares about government ethics,” Shaub says.

Watch: Six Years Ago Obama Promised to Buy a Chevy Volt. Now It Is Dead

Yeah, but remember how the Democrats all wanted him investigated for that? Hmm ... I don't either ...

They will say as an elected official he isn't beholden to those rules. Of course, Trump's daughter isn't a civil service employee of the government, so her application vis a vis the law is probably hazy as well.

They got their soundbite, that's all they care about.
Yes. Ivanka is an employee of the government.

A civil servant with a title?
I believe her title is special advisor to the president.

Paid? Civil Service? Senate Confirmed?
No. No. No.

Any other questions?

The law they are quoting probably applies to a specific type of employee. Any idea which one it applies to?

It applies to almost everyone in government:
(h) Employee means any officer or employee of an agency, including a special Government employee. It includes officers but not enlisted members of the uniformed services. It includes employees of a State or local government or other organization who are serving on detail to an agency, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 3371, et seq. For purposes other than subparts B and C of this part, it does not include the President or Vice President. Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or, in the case of a special Government employee, by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day.



employee
[emˈploiē, emˌploiˈē]

NOUN
  1. a person employed for wages or salary,
Doesn't apply to volunteers, dip.

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I don't know where you got that definition, maybe a dictionary.

But the legal definition written in law says this:
Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or, in the case of a special Government employee, by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day.

Thanks for the effort, dip. You're wrong again.


Wrong, you have to be an employee to have a pay or leave status. Where ever you got your poor education, you should ask for a refund.

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Ivanka is an employee. Whether she is paid or not is irrelevant.

She said so herself:
“I will instead serve as an unpaid employee in the White House Office, subject to all of the same rules as other federal employees.”


You’re about the third dumbass I’ve proven wrong at this point and y’all just run away without ever manning up and admitting it.


Your opinion isn't fact, actually it's more of a fantasy. LMAO

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Im not giving you my opinion. I’m literally quoting Ivanka announcing that she’s a federal employee.

Can you respond to the quote from Ivanka?


The same damn article says she's not.

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It says she wasn’t an employee but after people criticized her for trying to evade the rules, she became an employee.

I swear, you guys are really shitty at reading.


Feel free to point out what I might have missed.

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I just did.

She tried to get away with pretending she wasn’t an employee while doing everything an employee would do (such as having an office) but was called out on her attempt to evade accountability.

So she reversed course and accepted an official position.


Like I just explained to one of your uninformed comrades, she can't hold an official position, that would be illegal.

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Better tell the lawyers at the office of legal counsel because they seem to be just as uninformed as me.


So, how bout it Tex. Going to double down and pretend you know the law better than the OLC? Not that it matters since the OLC opinion actually counts and your opinion doesn't.

Here's the memo.


Wow, I guess I was wrong, the law only applies to govt agencies, not the WH. I wonder why Trump isn't paying them both? That would really make you commies heads explode.

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