Joe Biden describes what a disaster his Afghanistan withdrawal is, before he did it.

[Robert W]

No, I'm telling you Biden's hands were tied by a pussy. One the negotiated the withdrawal deadline for a time he would no longer be in office. A nice 'kick the can down the road' move.

Biden was the damned president. Don't try to shuck me he was powerless. Biden got too many killed for you to excuse the damned pussy.

 

[Robert W]

Unfortunately it was not Biden who negotiated the withdrawal with the Taliban, it was Trump. After 4 years the final date for the withdrawal was 1 May, 3 months after Biden would take office. Biden correctly predicted it would take a year but was only given 3 months. He extended it but still didn't have a full year.

What conditions set by Trump did the Taliban obey?

 

[alang1216]

Biden was the damned president. Don't try to shuck me he was powerless. Biden got too many killed for you to excuse the damned pussy.

He was not the President who signed his name to the deal as the representative of the USA.

 

[alang1216]

What conditions set by Trump did the Taliban obey?

As I recall they were not perfect, something Biden used as an excuse to extend the withdrawal, but they essentially stuck to the deal. Do you know different?

 

[surada]

Unocal bailed out when Clinton was president.

Right...and negotiations with the Taliban broke down when Bush was president.

 

[surada]

What conditions set by Trump did the Taliban obey?

Trump gave it all away just like he did in his "negotiations" with Israel.

 

[Kilroy2]

What it seems you tell me is Biden is a pussy.

IF you interpret it that way then that is on you. Troop levels were drastically reduced. under Trump and if he had won reelection the remaining would have been withdrawn based on the agreement he signed.

US had been in Afghanistan for 20 years. If you believe we should have kept troops in the country then that is your interpretation. The purpose was to punish those who planned the 9/11 attack.

Trump reduced troop levels to about 2,500 from 13,000 troops station there

So yeah Biden should have brought the boys back home as such a small level is not going to change anything and American lives are not worth sacrificing to be policeman between the two fractions

IF you thing that was a pussy move by Biden then what have you got to say about Trump who made the deal?

Still Biden agreed with it and withdrew the rest.

Afghanistan war was just a overreaction to an attack on the US. 20 years is to long

 

[Robert W]

IF you interpret it that way then that is on you. Troop levels were drastically reduced. under Trump and if he had won reelection the remaining would have been withdrawn based on the agreement he signed.

US had been in Afghanistan for 20 years. If you believe we should have kept troops in the country then that is your interpretation. The purpose was to punish those who planned the 9/11 attack.

Trump reduced troop levels to about 2,500 from 13,000 troops station there

So yeah Biden should have brought the boys back home as such a small level is not going to change anything and American lives are not worth sacrificing to be policeman between the two fractions

IF you thing that was a pussy move by Biden then what have you got to say about Trump who made the deal?

Still Biden agreed with it and withdrew the rest.

Afghanistan war was just a overreaction to an attack on the US. 20 years is to long

Sure, it is easy to run away. But look at how long we remained in Germany and still remain in Korea and hell, we still are in Germany. As well as in Japan.

I do not put much onus on Trump since he did not serve the usa when Biden fled Afghanistan with our tails wagging like puppies.

We have also been in Korea for some 73 years.

 

[Kilroy2]

Sure, it is easy to run away. But look at how long we remained in Germany and still remain in Korea and hell, we still are in Germany. As well as in Japan.

I do not put much onus on Trump since he did not serve the usa when Biden fled Afghanistan with our tails wagging like puppies.

We have also been in Korea for some 73 years.

How easily you dismissed that Trump signed the agreement and withdrew 5000 troops. You refuse to even address that issue


Still we withdrew from Vietnam

Yeah Troops are in Germany and Korea, but they are not fighting anyone which is a big difference

US got bases in a lot of countries but there is no war going on. That is a big difference.

Still US is still doing air raids in Afghanistan so Biden is being smart about support them.

 

[Foxfyre]

US had been there for 20 years. The same think that happen in Vietnam when the US left.

The US supported regime could not hold the countries after they left

Bush and the US got involved because of 9/11 and to punish the Taliban. That is the only reason the US got involved


I don't have a problem. If the Afghan or South Vietnam people cannot hold the country then there is no reason for the US to hold it for them. You can only be be involved for a short period and will eventually have to leave. It is a no win situation that did cost American lives.

At one time the US had 100,000 troops in the country. it dropped to about 8,000 who were mostly doing training before the decision to withdraw completely.

Still in
2/2000 Trump reduced troop levels to its current level.
He also committed a 2/2020 agreement with the taliban for a full military withdrawal from Afghanistan by May 2021


In a February 2020 agreement with the Taliban, the US committed to a full military withdrawal from Afghanistan by May 1, 2021.

This is what Trump agreed to and Biden decision was to carry it out or keep the troops there. So if Trump was still president, the troops would have been withdrawn.

BUT. . .in the Trump administration the troop withdrawal included a contingency that the Taliban not interfere in any way or make war on the Afghan government. Any such movement, most especially if any U.S. personnel, military or civilian, was harmed by them in any way, would result in retaliation that would be swift, certain, massive. They believed him.

But with Trump out of office and a weak, mentally disable President at the helm, the Taliban was not afraid to move. And as they were closing in, the President hastily and in fear ordered the remaining military personnel out. Thirteen U.S. and two British military were killed in the process because the Taliban had no fear of Biden whatsoever and knew he would not retaliate.

Plus we left behind Afghan allies many of whom have no doubt experienced terrible deaths at the hands of the Taliban and also billions of usable supplies and equipment that the Taliban has used and has apparently exported to other terrorist groups. I don't know what happened to the Americans we abandoned.

What happened in Kabul that day was definitely reminiscent of our shameful and cowardly evacuation of Saigon as the Viet Cong closed in. That sadly is pretty much the only legacy Gerald Ford left from his short lived administration.

 

[Kilroy2]

BUT. . .in the Trump administration the troop withdrawal included a contingency that the Taliban not interfere in any way or make war on the Afghan government. Any such movement, most especially if any U.S. personnel, military or civilian, was harmed by them in any way, would result in retaliation that would be swift, certain, massive. They believed him.

But with Trump out of office and a weak, mentally disable President at the helm, the Taliban was not afraid to move. And as they were closing in, the President hastily and in fear ordered the remaining military personnel out. Thirteen U.S. and two British military were killed in the process because the Taliban had no fear of Biden whatsoever and knew he would not retaliate.

Plus we left behind Afghan allies many of whom have no doubt experienced terrible deaths at the hands of the Taliban and also billions of usable supplies and equipment that the Taliban has used and has apparently exported to other terrorist groups. I don't know what happened to the Americans we abandoned.

What happened in Kabul that day was definitely reminiscent of our shameful and cowardly evacuation of Saigon as the Viet Cong closed in. That sadly is pretty much the only legacy Gerald Ford left from his short lived administration.

but - where is your source of such a statement in the first paragraph

Right language of a swift retaliation , hmmm, good try but The agreement was between the Taliban and the US and in fact does not include the Afghan government nor asks for them to sign this agreement.

See the above. The agreement was between the US and the Taliban.
When Trump made this agreement , it was obvious the US was going to withdraw because that was the agreement. So what your saying the US should stay and continue the fight that they weren't able to defeat in 20 years.


Yet the US was there for 20 years and weren't able to crush the people who were fighting against them. Last I check US is a super power.

So your against bringing our boys home in both the Afghanistan and Vietnam war. How long should it take the US to crush the opposition. After all were a super power.

20 years is enough. If there is no improvement then its time to go.

Trump made the agreement. He even withdrew about 5000 troops and left around 1000.

So that 1000 was suppose to finish off the Taliban.

You say allies but Trump made the agreement with the Taliban. The Afghanistan government was not consulted. He purposely did not include them

Why, because they probably would not agree to it.

 

[Foxfyre]

but - where is your source of such a statement in the first paragraph

Right language of a swift retaliation , hmmm, good try but The agreement was between the Taliban and the US and in fact does not include the Afghan government nor asks for them to sign this agreement.

See the above. The agreement was between the US and the Taliban.
When Trump made this agreement , it was obvious the US was going to withdraw because that was the agreement. So what your saying the US should stay and continue the fight that they weren't able to defeat in 20 years.


Yet the US was there for 20 years and weren't able to crush the people who were fighting against them. Last I check US is a super power.

So your against bringing our boys home in both the Afghanistan and Vietnam war. How long should it take the US to crush the opposition. After all were a super power.

20 years is enough. If there is no improvement then its time to go.

Trump made the agreement. He even withdrew about 5000 troops and left around 1000.

So that 1000 was suppose to finish off the Taliban.

You say allies but Trump made the agreement with the Taliban. The Afghanistan government was not consulted. He purposely did not include them

Why, because they probably would not agree to it.

Trump's warning message was to the Taliban and there was no involvement of the Afghan government other than the Taliban was warned to leave that government and the military withdrawal alone. There was a plan for the Afghan government and Taliban to co-govern as a reward for Taliban good behavior, but the Taliban would remain a relative small minority. Trump was drawing down the military already but the Taliban believed him that he would strongly retaliate if they made any trouble. And there was no trouble while Trump was in office.

If Trump had been allowed to complete the game plan those 13 Americans and 2 Brits would not have been killed, we would have all our equipment and supplies out, all who wanted to evacuate would have been out of there, and there wouldn't have been the spectacle of desperate Afghans clinging to departing airplanes. And the Taliban would not be back in control of Afghanistan.

 

[Robert W]

but - where is your source of such a statement in the first paragraph

Right language of a swift retaliation , hmmm, good try but The agreement was between the Taliban and the US and in fact does not include the Afghan government nor asks for them to sign this agreement.

See the above. The agreement was between the US and the Taliban.
When Trump made this agreement , it was obvious the US was going to withdraw because that was the agreement. So what your saying the US should stay and continue the fight that they weren't able to defeat in 20 years.


Yet the US was there for 20 years and weren't able to crush the people who were fighting against them. Last I check US is a super power.

So your against bringing our boys home in both the Afghanistan and Vietnam war. How long should it take the US to crush the opposition. After all were a super power.

20 years is enough. If there is no improvement then its time to go.

Trump made the agreement. He even withdrew about 5000 troops and left around 1000.

So that 1000 was suppose to finish off the Taliban.

You say allies but Trump made the agreement with the Taliban. The Afghanistan government was not consulted. He purposely did not include them

Why, because they probably would not agree to it.

Where the hell do Democrats get their news? I read their nonsense and it seems they read Pravda.

 

[Robert W]

Trump's warning message was to the Taliban and there was no involvement of the Afghan government other than the Taliban was warned to leave that government and the military withdrawal alone. There was a plan for the Afghan government and Taliban to co-govern as a reward for Taliban good behavior, but the Taliban would remain a relative small minority. Trump was drawing down the military already but the Taliban believed him that he would strongly retaliate if they made any trouble. And there was no trouble while Trump was in office.

If Trump had been allowed to complete the game plan those 13 Americans and 2 Brits would not have been killed, we would have all our equipment and supplies out, all who wanted to evacuate would have been out of there, and there wouldn't have been the spectacle of desperate Afghans clinging to departing airplanes. And the Taliban would not be back in control of Afghanistan.

Yes and the Taliban did not jump on Trump, they whipped Biden's ass.

 

[Robert W]

How easily you dismissed that Trump signed the agreement and withdrew 5000 troops. You refuse to even address that issue


Still we withdrew from Vietnam

Yeah Troops are in Germany and Korea, but they are not fighting anyone which is a big difference

US got bases in a lot of countries but there is no war going on. That is a big difference.

Still US is still doing air raids in Afghanistan so Biden is being smart about support them.

I would not say I dismissed the agreement that easily. Seems to me the Taliban dismissed it and whipped Biden's ass.

If you think Biden performed marvelously, guess your standards are lower than mine are.

 

[rupol2000]

This agreement was signed by Trump. Its he who blame

 

[rupol2000]

Trump is a trator, left bitch

 

[sealybobo]

So, Biden tells a crowd it would be a disaster to do exactly what he did.

Can't wait for the spin.

I was wondering what it was like when we left Viet Nam

Vietnam War - Fall, Saigon, US Withdrawal

Vietnam War - Fall, Saigon, US Withdrawal: In early March the North Vietnamese launched the first phase of what was expected to be a two-year offensive to secure South Vietnam. As it happened, the South's government and army collapsed in less than two months.

www.britannica.com

The remaining Americans escaped in a series of frantic air- and sealifts with Vietnamese friends and coworkers.

Frantic.

 

[BS Filter]

Stay out of muslim shitholes. They can't be civilized.