John Kasich’s red herring argument: We can’t round them up and deport them

[Ray From Cleveland]

Have you noticed our Establishment media, including FoxNews, is constantly giving air time to the red herring argument that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants and deport them? John Kasich and some other candidates are constantly telling us this when loyal and patriotic American citizens, who have been made into tax slaves to support the economic needs of illegal entrants, want those we elect to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to stay in our country, and want this even more so than building a wall! Some have suggested such things as:

impose a hard labor jail sentence on illegal entrants if caught working in our country;

require business owners to utilize e-verify when hiring;

severely punish business owners who knowingly hire illegal aliens;

require emergency rooms to use e-verify and establish legal residence when providing emergency room services;

deny illegal entrants any medical care (excepting in a lifedeath situation);

deny the children of illegal aliens access to a State’s public schools and any other taxpayer financed public benefit;

make it a prosecutable criminal offense for illegals to live in any public housing unit or section eight housing;

prosecute legal residents who harbor illegal entrants in section eight housing or public housing and immediately evict the legal resident of that housing unit if caught harboring illegal entrants;

and make it known from coast to coast the United States will never allow a person who has entered our country illegally to re-enter our country legally in the future, which would actually encourage many current illegal entrants to exit our country on their own and re-enter legally.

The bottom line is, John Kasich’s talking point that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants is an intentional distraction to avoid discussing what many American Citizens want done which is to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to remain here which in turn would encourage them to leave on their own!

Why do a number of our Republican Candidates, e.g., JohnKasich, Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, and Marco Rubio, and our friends at FoxNews, avoid discussing a plan to encourage illegals to leave on their own?


JWK



To support Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or John Kasich is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders!

Again this is a worthless topic because Republicans have already lost the election. You've chased Latino's off in mass, they will be voting for Hillary Clinton. Historically since Reagan, the GOP candidate had to capture at least 35-40% of the Latino vote to win the White House. Trump has secured victory for Hillary Clinton as he is polling at a NEGATIVE 75% with this group. Republicans are the MINORITYparty in this country. This negativity is going to roll over on any GOP nominee. Trump is also losing women by a 2 to 1 margin. Women are the majority voters in this country at 54%--and they are going to be voting heavily for the 1st woman POTUS in 200 years. Of course you chased off women in 2012--Republicans lost them by double digits, and younger women by a whopping 36 points.

You're done--Hillary Clinton will be the next POTUS--and it's because of your hate and ignorance. It wouldn't surprise me if we lost the Senate and major seats in the house.

GOP Win Will Need More Than 40 Percent Of Latino 2016 Vote, Says Study
The GOP's woman problem goes beyond Trump

Congratulations Morons--you've done it again.

So what are you going to say if Rubio or Cruze gets the nomination?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"deny the children of illegal aliens access to a State’s public schools and any other taxpayer financed public benefit..."

Already struck down as un-Constitutional.

Such ignorance of the law common to most conservatives comes as no surprise.

And most everything else in the OP is likely un-Constitutional, unwarranted, or otherwise idiotic – a post exhibiting fear, hate, ignorance, and stupidity.

 

[bripat9643]

It would seem simple to get rid of the criminal illegals and the Visa overstay. After that it is messy.

I would like to see a way to keep good ones, yes I will say it. Hard-working Americans are welcome. They are a resource. How to identify them and not give preferential treatment? I am not paid 175K/yr with staff of 20 and unlimited perks to work 10 years and retire on lifetime pension.

Let this GOVT class get to work and figure it out. They caused the problem.

"I would like to see a way to keep the good ones". Which ones would those be, the illegal ones that didn't come against the law? If the first act they committed in coming here was a crime, how does that make them good?

If, as you say, they caused the problem, how are they going to be able to fix it? If they could fix it, they wouldn't have caused it in the first place.

I don't care if they're are "good" or not, by whatever standard you care to use. Every last one of them took a job from an American. If you support allowing them to stay, you support taking a great big shit on American workers.

 

[bripat9643]

Have you noticed our Establishment media, including FoxNews, is constantly giving air time to the red herring argument that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants and deport them? John Kasich and some other candidates are constantly telling us this when loyal and patriotic American citizens, who have been made into tax slaves to support the economic needs of illegal entrants, want those we elect to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to stay in our country, and want this even more so than building a wall! Some have suggested such things as:

impose a hard labor jail sentence on illegal entrants if caught working in our country;

require business owners to utilize e-verify when hiring;

severely punish business owners who knowingly hire illegal aliens;

require emergency rooms to use e-verify and establish legal residence when providing emergency room services;

deny illegal entrants any medical care (excepting in a lifedeath situation);

deny the children of illegal aliens access to a State’s public schools and any other taxpayer financed public benefit;

make it a prosecutable criminal offense for illegals to live in any public housing unit or section eight housing;

prosecute legal residents who harbor illegal entrants in section eight housing or public housing and immediately evict the legal resident of that housing unit if caught harboring illegal entrants;

and make it known from coast to coast the United States will never allow a person who has entered our country illegally to re-enter our country legally in the future, which would actually encourage many current illegal entrants to exit our country on their own and re-enter legally.

The bottom line is, John Kasich’s talking point that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants is an intentional distraction to avoid discussing what many American Citizens want done which is to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to remain here which in turn would encourage them to leave on their own!

Why do a number of our Republican Candidates, e.g., JohnKasich, Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, and Marco Rubio, and our friends at FoxNews, avoid discussing a plan to encourage illegals to leave on their own?


JWK



To support Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or John Kasich is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders!

Again this is a worthless topic because Republicans have already lost the election. You've chased Latino's off in mass, they will be voting for Hillary Clinton. Historically since Reagan, the GOP candidate had to capture at least 35-40% of the Latino vote to win the White House. Trump has secured victory for Hillary Clinton as he is polling at a NEGATIVE 75% with this group. Republicans are the MINORITYparty in this country. This negativity is going to roll over on any GOP nominee. Trump is also losing women by a 2 to 1 margin. Women are the majority voters in this country at 54%--and they are going to be voting heavily for the 1st woman POTUS in 200 years. Of course you chased off women in 2012--Republicans lost them by double digits, and younger women by a whopping 36 points.

You're done--Hillary Clinton will be the next POTUS--and it's because of your hate and ignorance. It wouldn't surprise me if we lost the Senate and major seats in the house.

GOP Win Will Need More Than 40 Percent Of Latino 2016 Vote, Says Study
The GOP's woman problem goes beyond Trump

Congratulations Morons--you've done it again.

So what are you going to say if Rubio or Cruze gets the nomination?

He'll claim that's just what he wanted to happen.

 

[ninja007]

We already deport 400,000 a year. The only reason we don't deport more is because congress has not allocated more resources. So close the border and deport 800,000 the first year, 1,200,000 the second year, and so on until they are all gone.

75% of those "deported" never got into the US in the first place lib. Do your homework. They changed the definition of what a deportation is under Barry.

 

[johnwk]

"deny the children of illegal aliens access to a State’s public schools and any other taxpayer financed public benefit..."

Already struck down as un-Constitutional.

Such ignorance of the law common to most conservatives comes as no surprise.

And most everything else in the OP is likely un-Constitutional, unwarranted, or otherwise idiotic – a post exhibiting fear, hate, ignorance, and stupidity.

And the Supreme Courts 1982 opinion is not in harmony with the text or documented intentions under which our Constitution was adopted. In other words the opinion is not based on law.


JWK







The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASS'N v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)

 

[007]

Have you noticed our Establishment media, including FoxNews, is constantly giving air time to the red herring argument that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants and deport them? John Kasich and some other candidates are constantly telling us this when loyal and patriotic American citizens, who have been made into tax slaves to support the economic needs of illegal entrants, want those we elect to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to stay in our country, and want this even more so than building a wall! Some have suggested such things as:

impose a hard labor jail sentence on illegal entrants if caught working in our country;

require business owners to utilize e-verify when hiring;

severely punish business owners who knowingly hire illegal aliens;

require emergency rooms to use e-verify and establish legal residence when providing emergency room services;

deny illegal entrants any medical care (excepting in a lifedeath situation);

deny the children of illegal aliens access to a State’s public schools and any other taxpayer financed public benefit;

make it a prosecutable criminal offense for illegals to live in any public housing unit or section eight housing;

prosecute legal residents who harbor illegal entrants in section eight housing or public housing and immediately evict the legal resident of that housing unit if caught harboring illegal entrants;

and make it known from coast to coast the United States will never allow a person who has entered our country illegally to re-enter our country legally in the future, which would actually encourage many current illegal entrants to exit our country on their own and re-enter legally.

The bottom line is, John Kasich’s talking point that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants is an intentional distraction to avoid discussing what many American Citizens want done which is to make it very uncomfortable for illegal entrants to remain here which in turn would encourage them to leave on their own!

Why do a number of our Republican Candidates, e.g., JohnKasich, Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, and Marco Rubio, and our friends at FoxNews, avoid discussing a plan to encourage illegals to leave on their own?


JWK



To support Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or John Kasich is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders!

Again this is a worthless topic because Republicans have already lost the election. You've chased Latino's off in mass, they will be voting for Hillary Clinton. Historically since Reagan, the GOP candidate had to capture at least 35-40% of the Latino vote to win the White House. Trump has secured victory for Hillary Clinton as he is polling at a NEGATIVE 75% with this group. Republicans are the MINORITYparty in this country. This negativity is going to roll over on any GOP nominee. Trump is also losing women by a 2 to 1 margin. Women are the majority voters in this country at 54%--and they are going to be voting heavily for the 1st woman POTUS in 200 years. Of course you chased off women in 2012--Republicans lost them by double digits, and younger women by a whopping 36 points.

You're done--Hillary Clinton will be the next POTUS--and it's because of your hate and ignorance. It wouldn't surprise me if we lost the Senate and major seats in the house.

GOP Win Will Need More Than 40 Percent Of Latino 2016 Vote, Says Study
The GOP's woman problem goes beyond Trump

Congratulations Morons--you've done it again.

So what are you going to say if Rubio or Cruze gets the nomination?

Cruz - Good

Rubio - POS

 

[easyt65]

As I said many times before, Arizona proved the whole 'we can't deport them all' argument is B$, that WE don't have to DEPORT any of them.

WHY do illegals come here?
- Free stuff
- Jobs

WHY do the Politicians Like and Want them here?
- 1st: The Special Interest Groups / Donors all want the huge profit margins resulting from hiring cheap illegal labor that increases their profit margins. In turn, these groups line the pockets of the politicians to sell out citizens
- 2nd: Politicians (Liberals are 'doubling-down'. Not only are they seeing benefit from donors, but they also see the future - millions of govt(Liberal)-dependent VOTERS.

If either group, GOP or DNC, had wanted to stop illegal immigration by now or build a wall they would have been done already - period! Both parties have been complicit.

Back to Az:
Before Az even put it's new law into effect, after they declared they were SERIOUS and were going to enforce every Imigration law and really crack down, ILLEGALS STARTING FLEEING IN DROVES FROM THE STATE.

Az didn't have to deport 1 single illegal. They saw the 'party' had come to an end in Az. No more jobs, no more housing, no more free stuff...and they began to leave on their own. The exodus was so huge Az's neighboring states complained because all of Az's illegals were flooding into their state. THESE STATES WERE DROWNING TRYING TO PROVIDE FOR / CARE FOR / APPEASE THEM ALL INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING Az'S LEAD!

Build the fence - use the money we give Mexico annually to pay for it.
Enforce EVERY Immigration Law.
STOP giving them benefits meant for and paid for by Americans.
No driver's licenses, no jobs, no free stuff... They will stop coming and will go home on their own.


The thing that will prevent this, as pointed out, is that none of our politicians, none of the big business, Chamber of commerce, etc want to stop it or get rid of the illegals.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Have you noticed our Establishment media, including FoxNews, is constantly giving air time to the red herring argument that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants and deport them?

The Nazis proved you can round up millions.

 

[bripat9643]

Have you noticed our Establishment media, including FoxNews, is constantly giving air time to the red herring argument that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants and deport them?

The Nazis proved you can round up millions.

Actually, Truman proved you could round up millions. No one is swallowing that "nazi" crap. Enforcing the laws on the books doesn't make anyone a nazi. Otherwise, putting armed robbers in prison would make you a nazi.

You are a shameless imbecile.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Have you noticed our Establishment media, including FoxNews, is constantly giving air time to the red herring argument that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants and deport them?

The Nazis proved you can round up millions.

Actually, Truman proved you could round up millions. No one is swallowing that "nazi" crap. Enforcing the laws on the books doesn't make anyone a nazi. Otherwise, putting armed robbers in prison would make you a nazi.

You are a shameless imbecile.

I was agreeing with the OP. Don't be such a puss.

 

[bripat9643]

Have you noticed our Establishment media, including FoxNews, is constantly giving air time to the red herring argument that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants and deport them?

The Nazis proved you can round up millions.

Actually, Truman proved you could round up millions. No one is swallowing that "nazi" crap. Enforcing the laws on the books doesn't make anyone a nazi. Otherwise, putting armed robbers in prison would make you a nazi.

You are a shameless imbecile.

I was agreeing with the OP. Don't be such a puss.

You were trying to portray anyone who supports enforce our immigration laws as a Nazi.

Who do you think you're fooling, dumbass?

 

[BluesLegend]

We already deport 400,000 a year. The only reason we don't deport more is because congress has not allocated more resources. So close the border and deport 800,000 the first year, 1,200,000 the second year, and so on until they are all gone.

75% of those "deported" never got into the US in the first place lib. Do your homework. They changed the definition of what a deportation is under Barry.

You are you calling a lib? My pinky is more conservative than you.

 

[johnwk]

Have you noticed our Establishment media, including FoxNews, is constantly giving air time to the red herring argument that we can’t round up millions of illegal entrants and deport them?

The Nazis proved you can round up millions.

Actually, Truman proved you could round up millions. No one is swallowing that "nazi" crap. Enforcing the laws on the books doesn't make anyone a nazi. Otherwise, putting armed robbers in prison would make you a nazi.

You are a shameless imbecile.

I was agreeing with the OP. Don't be such a puss.

You were trying to portray anyone who supports enforce our immigration laws as a Nazi.

Who do you think you're fooling, dumbass?

Exactly! That poster appears to be a paid political operative.


JWK





To support Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or John Kasich is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders!

 

[johnwk]

It would seem simple to get rid of the criminal illegals and the Visa overstay. After that it is messy.

I would like to see a way to keep good ones, yes I will say it. Hard-working Americans are welcome. They are a resource. How to identify them and not give preferential treatment? I am not paid 175K/yr with staff of 20 and unlimited perks to work 10 years and retire on lifetime pension.

Let this GOVT class get to work and figure it out. They caused the problem.

"I would like to see a way to keep the good ones". Which ones would those be, the illegal ones that didn't come against the law? If the first act they committed in coming here was a crime, how does that make them good?

If, as you say, they caused the problem, how are they going to be able to fix it? If they could fix it, they wouldn't have caused it in the first place.

I don't care if they're are "good" or not, by whatever standard you care to use. Every last one of them took a job from an American. If you support allowing them to stay, you support taking a great big shit on American workers.

Big shit on America is right!

Let us take a look at the destructive social and economic consequences in just one county in California inflicted upon its citizens in 1995 when this massive invasion of our borders began to accelerate. CLICK HERE and scroll to page 93 for testimony given by JOAN ZINSER before the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, DECEMBER 13, 1995


Good morning Chairman Smith and other honorable members of the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims. I am Joan Zinser, Deputy Director of the San Diego County Department of Social Services. I direct the department's Income Maintenance Bureau, which has responsibility for AFDC, Food Stamps and Medicaid eligibility determinations. I am here today to tell you about the effects of illegal immigration on the County's assistance programs, and to present information regarding impacts on other county-funded services.


Impacts on San Diego County

In 1993, illegal aliens in San Diego County were estimated to be 7.9% of the population, or a total of almost 220,000 illegal aliens in a county with a population of slightly over 2 1/2 million. A 1993 Calffornia State Senate report estimated that the State, local governments - primarily the County - and schools incurred $304 million in costs to provide services to illegal aliens. These costs were offset by only $60 million in taxes generated by illegal aliens - leaving a net impact of $244 million.

Welfare Costs.

When a child is a US citizen, AFDC can be granted for the child but not the parent, if the parent is an undocumented immigrant. In 1992 there were 6,414 children born to undocumented immigrant parents in San Diego County hospitals. Each year, the illegal alien parents of nearly 2000 "citizen children" apply for and receive AFDC in San Diego County. The cumulative total of these "citizen child" cases continues to rise each year.

Public assistance is intended to support the citizen child, but is paid to the illegal alien parent and is, no doubt, used by the parent to support the entire family. Costs for providing AFDC to "citizen children" cases in San Diego totaled $37 million in 1993 for approximately 5430 AFDC cases.

Additional costs are incurred in Child Welfare Services. Combining costs for Out-of-Home and Family Maintenance services to families of illegal aliens results in an additional cost of $1.7 million.

Medicaid and Other Health-Related- Costs.

Medicaid services are an increasingly large portion of the costs involved in illegal immigration. In 1992, Medicaid paid for 6,414 births illegal alien mothers. Although studies have shown that illegal aliens use fewer Medicaid services than do the age-equivalent members of the general population, significant costs remain. Delivery costs are greater for babies with mothers lacking adequate prenatal care and many medical conditions are treated more cost-effectively in their early stages. Infectious diseases are also a major concern of the County. San Diego County has historically carried large costs because of illegal aliens with these problems. Costs associated with providing emergency and pregnancy related needs to illegal aliens are paid for under "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." During the 1992 calendar year, an estimated $37 million was paid for "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." Other costs, including uncompensated care in hospitals, community clinics, and other health services elevated the 1993 total costs to over $50 million.

Criminal justice.
A recent 90-day pilot project involved having INS Agents present in the county jails to interview those suspected of being an undocumented immigrant. Approximately 20% of the persons booked into the jails during that pilot were identified as being illegal aliens. With annual bookings of approximatel 105,000 persons a year, it is estimated that up to 21,000 were illegal aliens.

According to the San Diego County District Attorney, 8,521 felony crimes were committed by illegal aliens between 1987 and 1992. Illegal aliens commit an estimated 22% of felony crimes committed in the county. The number of misdemeanors committed during the same period in San Diego County by illegal aliens is estimated to be 17,000. In 1993, approximately 15. 1 % of the costs -accrued in dealing with crimes were spent on illegal aliens. Costs for illegal aliens to the legal system totaled $151 million in the County of San Diego for 1993.

Education.

Recently, a video of students crossing the border and getting on a school bus in San Diego County in order to receive free education was shown nationwide. Locally, we have worked to make sure that this situation does not recur, but education of the children of illegal aliens is also a significant CDSt. It is estimated that $60 million was spent in San Diego County in 1993 for education of illegal aliens.
________

And, more recently see:

Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually

Dateline: December, 2004

Among the key finding of the report are that the state's already struggling K-12 education system spends approximately $7.7 billion a year to school the children of illegal aliens who now constitute 15 percent of the student body. Another $1.4 billion of the taxpayers' money goes toward providing health care to illegal aliens and their families, the same amount that is spent incarcerating illegal aliens criminals.


Testimony about "51 Florida Hospitals in trouble" due to illegal aliens expenses:

Jun 10, 2008

”No need to editorialize. Here is a sampling of the sort of facts the politicians and pro-illegal lobby want you to ignore, yet expect you to continue to bear the burden of. Is it any wonder scores of hospitals in border states and elsewhere have shut down or closed their ER units?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Texas Faces Rising Cost For Illegal Immigrant Care

Aug 19, 2010

Texas spent at least $250 million in the past year for medical care and imprisonment of illegal immigrants and other non-citizens.

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer

May 6, 2013

”In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.”


Judicial Watch: 165,900 Criminal Aliens into US Population Through April 2014

Mar 2015

”Nearly 166,000 convicted criminal illegal aliens were released by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as of April, 2014. This is the analysis of 76 pages of DHS documents obtained by Judicial Watch via Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. The criminal illegal aliens include rapists, murderers and kidnappers.”

_________

It is absolutely stunning that Ben Carson and other Establishment friendly candidates ignore the devastating social, political and economic consequences inflicted upon American Citizens by illegal entrants.


JWK




To support Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio or John Kasich is to support a continuance of Obama's illegal immigration tyranny which includes giving legal status and work permits to tens of millions who have invaded our borders!

 

[Timmy]

You monsters would deny people medical care ? Shame on you!

Plus it's illegal to deny medical treatment . Thanks to Ron Reagan .

 

[Conservative65]

You monsters would deny people medical care ? Shame on you!

Plus it's illegal to deny medical treatment . Thanks to Ron Reagan .

How many of those that couldn't pay for medical care did YOU personally pay their bills?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You monsters would deny people medical care ? Shame on you!

Plus it's illegal to deny medical treatment . Thanks to Ron Reagan .

Who is denying people medical care?

 

[amrchaos]

They probably was not recieving medical care or schooling before they came here.

Imprison them==free welfare and medicare. Our prisons look like vacation resorts compared to some of these 3rd world s$$tholes.

Punish the employers, forget that some of these illegals came over with federal visas to work here. Why not punish the feds for handing out work visas but losing track of the immigrant in the first place. that will never happen

Go ahead and enforce your ideas--all of them!! The 11 million undocumented will turn into 22 million before you truly understand the problem.

You can't find them through force and merciless laws. You need some creativity to find them.

 

[johnwk]

You monsters would deny people medical care ? Shame on you!

Plus it's illegal to deny medical treatment . Thanks to Ron Reagan .

I suppose you would be willing to pay out of your own pocket the cost of foreigners who intentionally invaded our borders to give birth?


JWK