John Kelly is boasting that he "stopped" Trump from doing things...

[pismoe]

Bring 'em home put 'em on the borders.

Once agon you dredge up this juvenile argument. When are you going to grow up and realize that border enforcement is not a function of the modern US military?

Let us get this right, so we can’t build a wall, we can’t use the military, y’all want to do away with ICE, y’all want sanctuary cities to protect criminal illegals. Is that about right. Hell if the illegal criminals don’t have to worry about ever facing the consequences of their crimes, then why do we even need police protection, just let American criminals run around with no consequences too.


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--------------------------------------- can't do that as American Criminals are Americans MRShangles .

 

[MrShangles]

Bring 'em home put 'em on the borders.

Once agon you dredge up this juvenile argument. When are you going to grow up and realize that border enforcement is not a function of the modern US military?

Every other nation in the history of humanity has guarded its borders with its military. Why not ours?

Because our laws.

Which one.

This federal law limits what US troops deployed at the border can do
PHOENIX — The more than 5,200 active-duty troops being sent by President Donald Trump to the U.S.-Mexico border will be limited in what they can do under a federal law that restricts the military from engaging in law enforcement on American soil.

That means the troops will not be allowed to detain immigrants, seize drugs from smugglers or have any direct involvement in stopping a migrant caravan that is still about 1,000 miles from the nearest border crossing.

They aren’t caravans anymore they are invaders, that little word makes a difference. Kinda like calling something a MATTER instead of a INVESTIGATION. Just saying.
Our military can do whatever is needed to protect us from invaders.


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[WaitingFor2020]

Trump wanted to withdraw troops from South Korea and NATO and John Kelly supposedly stopped him.

Well, good thing this guy's leaving because I agree with Trump.

Our involvement in South Korea and NATO should have ended years ago when Communism fell in Russia and Eastern Europe.

Why are we protecting Europe from a Russian invasion that will never come?

Keep in mind that Russia has a GNP roughly the size of Denmark and can not afford a war in Europe.

Also keep in mind that South Korea is a modern industrial nation that is more than a match for a weakened Communist North Korea that can't even keep the lights on at night.

Trump should appoint people who support his agenda and do what he wants to do.

John F. Kelly says his tenure as Trump's chief of staff is best measured by what the president did not do

Oh, so you know more than the generals.
Hmmm....where have I heard that before?
I bet you were all in when Mattis, Kelly, McMaster and Tillerson came on board.
I know you don't read probably anything besides this board, but the information Bob Woodward presented in "Fear" in regard to Mattis and Kelly has been proven to be SPOT ON.
Try literacy, it will change your life.
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The generals, as you call them, are always going to push for more war because that's what generals do, it's in their self interest to have as much war as possible, in as many places as possible. If Presidents always listened to generals, we would be in war forever, and that's what's been happening for the last 17 years.

I understand why we invaded Afghanistan, we were pissed about 9/11, but in hindsight, we should have realized that no one ever wins in Afghanistan. It's called "the graveyard of Empires" for a reason. The following countries invaded Afghanistan and were defeated: ancient Greece, United Kingdom, USSR, and now USA.

I supported the invasion of Iraq because Saddam Hussein was a dangerous presence, unpredictable, having started two wars by invadining neighboring countries, and having used poison gas on the Kurds. He had to be dealt with, but it was appalling that the generals did not understand that a total destruction of Saddam's government and military would lead to rioting and civil war between the Shia and the Sunni.

Syria, I get we had to destroy ISIS because they are a genocidal group, but if Trump is right and ISIS is defeated, then the time is right to leavre Syria and let other countries deal with that endless civil war. Syria is not within our sphere of influence, never has been, and it is not worth even one American life to change that.

Thanks for your HINDSIGHT.
It's 20-20.

Trump said we had defeated ISIS, they are conquered, so he's pulling the troops.

Then the fucking idiot tweeted this:
Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump

....Russia, Iran, Syria & many others are not happy about the U.S. leaving, despite what the Fake News says, because now they will have to fight ISIS and others, who they hate, without us. I am building by far the most powerful military in the world. ISIS hits us they are doomed!
6:16 AM - Dec 20, 2018

So which is it, Sparky?
Just answer the question, GeoPolitics Boy.
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[pismoe]

Bring 'em home put 'em on the borders.

Once agon you dredge up this juvenile argument. When are you going to grow up and realize that border enforcement is not a function of the modern US military?

Every other nation in the history of humanity has guarded its borders with its military. Why not ours?

Oh really? Ok, you made an assertion.....prove it now. Canada use their military at their border? the UK? Australia? New Zealand? Japan?

--------------------------------- doesn't matter what those back water nations that you mention surrounded by oceans do do . But many eastern 'euro' countries use the military and barriers to keep invading muslim out Bode .

Are you Blackrook? His sock? I'm asking him...he stated "every other nation"....now he needs to prove that....you are not his white knight...you will not get laid.

Tho, I DID notice you have an admiration for Warsaw Pact nations.

------------------------------------------- the eastern European nations seem to be smarter with their militaries and border barriers than dissolving Western 'euro' nations' . Same for Israel Saudi Arabia and others Bode .

 

[bodecea]

Bring 'em home put 'em on the borders.

Makes more sense than building a wall.

I wonder why all these politicians telling you walls don’t work , all have walls around their house, if they don’t work why do they have them.
You seam to be a loyal liberal could you explain why they have walls, aren’t they immoral, racist, and a waste of time and money.



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So...you are making the assertion that having walls around houses has kept people from coming in......always.

 

[MrShangles]

Every other nation in the history of humanity has guarded its borders with its military. Why not ours?

Because our laws.

Which one.

This federal law limits what US troops deployed at the border can do
PHOENIX — The more than 5,200 active-duty troops being sent by President Donald Trump to the U.S.-Mexico border will be limited in what they can do under a federal law that restricts the military from engaging in law enforcement on American soil.

That means the troops will not be allowed to detain immigrants, seize drugs from smugglers or have any direct involvement in stopping a migrant caravan that is still about 1,000 miles from the nearest border crossing.

They can stop invaders. Otherwise what good are they.

...they are NOT law enforcement, and can not do the duties of law enforcement.

Posse Comitatus Act | Encyclopedia.com


Congress outlawed the practice of posse comitatus by enacting the Posse Comitatus Act (PCA) (as 20 Stat. 152) as a rider to the Army Appropriation Act for 1880. The act stated: "Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

Congressional debates indicate that the PCA was intended to stop army troops from answering the call of a marshal to perform direct law enforcement duties and aid in execution of the law. Further legislative history indicates that the more immediate objective was to put an end to the use of federal troops to police elections in ex-Confederate states where civil power had been reestablished.

Significantly, President Hayes vetoed the act because it "makes a vital change in the election laws of the country, which is in no way connected to the use of the Army." Congress overrode the veto. Accordingly, the willful use of the army or air force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws is a felony, unless the use is expressly authorized by the Constitution or an act of Congress.

Or to stop invaders, sorry


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[Blackrook]

Trump wanted to withdraw troops from South Korea and NATO and John Kelly supposedly stopped him.

Well, good thing this guy's leaving because I agree with Trump.

Our involvement in South Korea and NATO should have ended years ago when Communism fell in Russia and Eastern Europe.

Why are we protecting Europe from a Russian invasion that will never come?

Keep in mind that Russia has a GNP roughly the size of Denmark and can not afford a war in Europe.

Also keep in mind that South Korea is a modern industrial nation that is more than a match for a weakened Communist North Korea that can't even keep the lights on at night.

Trump should appoint people who support his agenda and do what he wants to do.

John F. Kelly says his tenure as Trump's chief of staff is best measured by what the president did not do

Oh, so you know more than the generals.
Hmmm....where have I heard that before?
I bet you were all in when Mattis, Kelly, McMaster and Tillerson came on board.
I know you don't read probably anything besides this board, but the information Bob Woodward presented in "Fear" in regard to Mattis and Kelly has been proven to be SPOT ON.
Try literacy, it will change your life.
.
.
.

The generals, as you call them, are always going to push for more war because that's what generals do, it's in their self interest to have as much war as possible, in as many places as possible. If Presidents always listened to generals, we would be in war forever, and that's what's been happening for the last 17 years.

I understand why we invaded Afghanistan, we were pissed about 9/11, but in hindsight, we should have realized that no one ever wins in Afghanistan. It's called "the graveyard of Empires" for a reason. The following countries invaded Afghanistan and were defeated: ancient Greece, United Kingdom, USSR, and now USA.

I supported the invasion of Iraq because Saddam Hussein was a dangerous presence, unpredictable, having started two wars by invadining neighboring countries, and having used poison gas on the Kurds. He had to be dealt with, but it was appalling that the generals did not understand that a total destruction of Saddam's government and military would lead to rioting and civil war between the Shia and the Sunni.

Syria, I get we had to destroy ISIS because they are a genocidal group, but if Trump is right and ISIS is defeated, then the time is right to leavre Syria and let other countries deal with that endless civil war. Syria is not within our sphere of influence, never has been, and it is not worth even one American life to change that.

Thanks for your HINDSIGHT.
It's 20-20.

Trump said we had defeated ISIS, they are conquered, so he's pulling the troops.

Then the fucking idiot tweeted this:
Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump

....Russia, Iran, Syria & many others are not happy about the U.S. leaving, despite what the Fake News says, because now they will have to fight ISIS and others, who they hate, without us. I am building by far the most powerful military in the world. ISIS hits us they are doomed!
6:16 AM - Dec 20, 2018

So which is it, Sparky?
Just answer the question, GeoPolitics Boy.
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I'm putting you on ignore.

 

[BULLDOG]

Once agon you dredge up this juvenile argument. When are you going to grow up and realize that border enforcement is not a function of the modern US military?

Every other nation in the history of humanity has guarded its borders with its military. Why not ours?

Because our laws.

Which one.

This federal law limits what US troops deployed at the border can do
PHOENIX — The more than 5,200 active-duty troops being sent by President Donald Trump to the U.S.-Mexico border will be limited in what they can do under a federal law that restricts the military from engaging in law enforcement on American soil.

That means the troops will not be allowed to detain immigrants, seize drugs from smugglers or have any direct involvement in stopping a migrant caravan that is still about 1,000 miles from the nearest border crossing.

--------------------------- LAWS should be changed so as to be able to go after invaders in the act of invading . Seems to me that all of these laws were made as a conscious decision to hinder the USA in defending itself .

--------------------------- LAWS should be changed so as to allow me to piss off of my own front porch without the old bat next door having a fit. Seems to me that all of these laws were made as a conscious decision to hinder me in relieving myself. I have as much chance of getting those laws changed as you do.

 

[bodecea]

Once agon you dredge up this juvenile argument. When are you going to grow up and realize that border enforcement is not a function of the modern US military?

Every other nation in the history of humanity has guarded its borders with its military. Why not ours?

Oh really? Ok, you made an assertion.....prove it now. Canada use their military at their border? the UK? Australia? New Zealand? Japan?

--------------------------------- doesn't matter what those back water nations that you mention surrounded by oceans do do . But many eastern 'euro' countries use the military and barriers to keep invading muslim out Bode .

Are you Blackrook? His sock? I'm asking him...he stated "every other nation"....now he needs to prove that....you are not his white knight...you will not get laid.

Tho, I DID notice you have an admiration for Warsaw Pact nations.

------------------------------------------- they seems to be smarter than dissolving Western 'euro' nations' Bode .

So...you DO admire the Warsaw Pact and how they walled their people in.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Oh, so you know more than the generals.
Hmmm....where have I heard that before?
I bet you were all in when Mattis, Kelly, McMaster and Tillerson came on board.
I know you don't read probably anything besides this board, but the information Bob Woodward presented in "Fear" in regard to Mattis and Kelly has been proven to be SPOT ON.
Try literacy, it will change your life.
.
.
.

The generals, as you call them, are always going to push for more war because that's what generals do, it's in their self interest to have as much war as possible, in as many places as possible. If Presidents always listened to generals, we would be in war forever, and that's what's been happening for the last 17 years.

I understand why we invaded Afghanistan, we were pissed about 9/11, but in hindsight, we should have realized that no one ever wins in Afghanistan. It's called "the graveyard of Empires" for a reason. The following countries invaded Afghanistan and were defeated: ancient Greece, United Kingdom, USSR, and now USA.

I supported the invasion of Iraq because Saddam Hussein was a dangerous presence, unpredictable, having started two wars by invadining neighboring countries, and having used poison gas on the Kurds. He had to be dealt with, but it was appalling that the generals did not understand that a total destruction of Saddam's government and military would lead to rioting and civil war between the Shia and the Sunni.

Syria, I get we had to destroy ISIS because they are a genocidal group, but if Trump is right and ISIS is defeated, then the time is right to leavre Syria and let other countries deal with that endless civil war. Syria is not within our sphere of influence, never has been, and it is not worth even one American life to change that.

It's clear you know nothing about the military....never served, did you?

I did serve, so you can go fuck yourself.

No you didn't...you are fooling no one with your comments about generals wanting war.

I did but there's no way to prove it to you obviously. But since you choose to call me a liar, I am putting you on ignore.

I have three brothers who went to Viet Nam.
All three of them understand why we are in South Korea.
And Syria.
And they're not generals.
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[BULLDOG]

Once agon you dredge up this juvenile argument. When are you going to grow up and realize that border enforcement is not a function of the modern US military?

Every other nation in the history of humanity has guarded its borders with its military. Why not ours?

Because our laws.

Which one.

This federal law limits what US troops deployed at the border can do
PHOENIX — The more than 5,200 active-duty troops being sent by President Donald Trump to the U.S.-Mexico border will be limited in what they can do under a federal law that restricts the military from engaging in law enforcement on American soil.

That means the troops will not be allowed to detain immigrants, seize drugs from smugglers or have any direct involvement in stopping a migrant caravan that is still about 1,000 miles from the nearest border crossing.

They aren’t caravans anymore they are invaders, that little word makes a difference. Kinda like calling something a MATTER instead of a INVESTIGATION. Just saying.
Our military can do whatever is needed to protect us from invaders.


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Except we aren't being invaded, dumb ass.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Bring 'em home put 'em on the borders.

Makes more sense than building a wall.

I wonder why all these politicians telling you walls don’t work , all have walls around their house, if they don’t work why do they have them.
You seam to be a loyal liberal could you explain why they have walls, aren’t they immoral, racist, and a waste of time and money.



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Or guards with AK-47s because the city won't let him put up a wall on the sidewalk.
Trump's got the Secret Service, so what is he so afraid of??????

 

[Clipper]

Once agon you dredge up this juvenile argument. When are you going to grow up and realize that border enforcement is not a function of the modern US military?

Every other nation in the history of humanity has guarded its borders with its military. Why not ours?

Because our laws.

Which one.

This federal law limits what US troops deployed at the border can do
PHOENIX — The more than 5,200 active-duty troops being sent by President Donald Trump to the U.S.-Mexico border will be limited in what they can do under a federal law that restricts the military from engaging in law enforcement on American soil.

That means the troops will not be allowed to detain immigrants, seize drugs from smugglers or have any direct involvement in stopping a migrant caravan that is still about 1,000 miles from the nearest border crossing.

They aren’t caravans anymore they are invaders, that little word makes a difference. Kinda like calling something a MATTER instead of a INVESTIGATION. Just saying.
Our military can do whatever is needed to protect us from invaders.


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I thought you Trumptards were over that shiny object.

 

[Clipper]

Private Bone Spurs knows about as much about foreign affairs, NATO, the military, etc. as he knows about molecular biology. If Trump wasen't so pathetic he'd be laughable. Trump is the biggest pile of shit to ever hit Washington.

 

[pismoe]

Every other nation in the history of humanity has guarded its borders with its military. Why not ours?

Oh really? Ok, you made an assertion.....prove it now. Canada use their military at their border? the UK? Australia? New Zealand? Japan?

--------------------------------- doesn't matter what those back water nations that you mention surrounded by oceans do do . But many eastern 'euro' countries use the military and barriers to keep invading muslim out Bode .

Are you Blackrook? His sock? I'm asking him...he stated "every other nation"....now he needs to prove that....you are not his white knight...you will not get laid.

Tho, I DID notice you have an admiration for Warsaw Pact nations.

------------------------------------------- they seems to be smarter than dissolving Western 'euro' nations' Bode .

So...you DO admire the Warsaw Pact and how they walled their people in.

------------------------------ their people and leaders do not want the 'muslim' invasion and their military and border barriers hinder or stop the 'muslims' from invading and I admire that . Israel and Saudi Arabia all have WALLS and Military on their Border and their Border Security works fine Bode .

 

[bodecea]

Trump wanted to withdraw troops from South Korea and NATO and John Kelly supposedly stopped him.

Well, good thing this guy's leaving because I agree with Trump.

Our involvement in South Korea and NATO should have ended years ago when Communism fell in Russia and Eastern Europe.

Why are we protecting Europe from a Russian invasion that will never come?

Keep in mind that Russia has a GNP roughly the size of Denmark and can not afford a war in Europe.

Also keep in mind that South Korea is a modern industrial nation that is more than a match for a weakened Communist North Korea that can't even keep the lights on at night.

Trump should appoint people who support his agenda and do what he wants to do.

John F. Kelly says his tenure as Trump's chief of staff is best measured by what the president did not do

Oh, so you know more than the generals.
Hmmm....where have I heard that before?
I bet you were all in when Mattis, Kelly, McMaster and Tillerson came on board.
I know you don't read probably anything besides this board, but the information Bob Woodward presented in "Fear" in regard to Mattis and Kelly has been proven to be SPOT ON.
Try literacy, it will change your life.
.
.
.

The generals, as you call them, are always going to push for more war because that's what generals do, it's in their self interest to have as much war as possible, in as many places as possible. If Presidents always listened to generals, we would be in war forever, and that's what's been happening for the last 17 years.

I understand why we invaded Afghanistan, we were pissed about 9/11, but in hindsight, we should have realized that no one ever wins in Afghanistan. It's called "the graveyard of Empires" for a reason. The following countries invaded Afghanistan and were defeated: ancient Greece, United Kingdom, USSR, and now USA.

I supported the invasion of Iraq because Saddam Hussein was a dangerous presence, unpredictable, having started two wars by invadining neighboring countries, and having used poison gas on the Kurds. He had to be dealt with, but it was appalling that the generals did not understand that a total destruction of Saddam's government and military would lead to rioting and civil war between the Shia and the Sunni.

Syria, I get we had to destroy ISIS because they are a genocidal group, but if Trump is right and ISIS is defeated, then the time is right to leavre Syria and let other countries deal with that endless civil war. Syria is not within our sphere of influence, never has been, and it is not worth even one American life to change that.

Thanks for your HINDSIGHT.
It's 20-20.

Trump said we had defeated ISIS, they are conquered, so he's pulling the troops.

Then the fucking idiot tweeted this:
Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump

....Russia, Iran, Syria & many others are not happy about the U.S. leaving, despite what the Fake News says, because now they will have to fight ISIS and others, who they hate, without us. I am building by far the most powerful military in the world. ISIS hits us they are doomed!
6:16 AM - Dec 20, 2018

So which is it, Sparky?
Just answer the question, GeoPolitics Boy.
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.
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I'm putting you on ignore.

Victim...always a victim.

 

[bodecea]

Oh really? Ok, you made an assertion.....prove it now. Canada use their military at their border? the UK? Australia? New Zealand? Japan?

--------------------------------- doesn't matter what those back water nations that you mention surrounded by oceans do do . But many eastern 'euro' countries use the military and barriers to keep invading muslim out Bode .

Are you Blackrook? His sock? I'm asking him...he stated "every other nation"....now he needs to prove that....you are not his white knight...you will not get laid.

Tho, I DID notice you have an admiration for Warsaw Pact nations.

------------------------------------------- they seems to be smarter than dissolving Western 'euro' nations' Bode .

So...you DO admire the Warsaw Pact and how they walled their people in.

------------------------------ their people and leaders do not want the 'muslim' invasion and their military and border barriers hinder or stop the 'muslims' from invading and I admire that . Israel and Saudi Arabia all have WALLS and Military on their Border and their Border Security works fine Bode .

Yes....I can see you admire the Warsaw pact....I can see you admire Saudi Arabia too.

 

[pismoe]

Well that answers the question who the leaking seditious member of the team was....A General should know better...what a shame!!!

--------------------------------------------- yeah , mighta been one of the leakers , part of the deep state , dishonest but hey , he is a 'general' and 'generals' should be worshipped eh ??.

 

[Care4all]

Bring 'em home put 'em on the borders.

Once agon you dredge up this juvenile argument. When are you going to grow up and realize that border enforcement is not a function of the modern US military?

How things have changed. Defending the border is the classic function of the military.

Defending the border from refugees seeking asylum is not defending the border from an invading Nation's army, it is NOT an act of war, to seek asylum...

This is a law enforcement duty, and a function of immigration Courts,

NOT a Military duty.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump is not going to be a Happy Pappy in 2019

Muellers report will be out, the House will be conducting serious investigations

He could have used Kelly around

 

[initforme]

I say hire another 2000 federal agents to guard the border. Full benefits with that. Plus pensions. Let the whiners now complain.