Judge Rules Dark Money 501(c)4 PAC's Can No Longer Keep Their Donors Anonymous

[WillowTree]

and there needs to be a very clear line that cannot be crossed, that carries very heavy criminal penalties if it is crossed.

They won't be doing any real time for that.

Then that hurts all of us. On both sides.

This should be a non partisan issue. Lets make it clear. If you want to donate money, you do so up front, with no right to secrecy. If you give money to any politician that returns the favor for gain, it is a felony, and both should go to prison.

Well sweetie, the unions have been doing that for decades, where have ewe been?

And the rich and well connected have been doing it a lot longer, but that isn't the topic here.

Dark money in the sums being donated aren't coming from unions, and Citizens United wasn't a decision in favor of unions.

The overwhelming billions of donated PAC money comes from corporations that want quid pro quo to prevent the right of workers to organize.

Ironic isn't it. Corporations argue money donated to tax exempt PAC's, is freedom of speech, and they are entitled to it, to deny the same Constitutionally protected speech of workers to organize.

Of course it isn't any secret who unions donate their money to, so the judges ruling is pointed directly at rich Republican donors, and specifically one of Karl Rove's PAC's.

If these 501(c)4's are so legit, why is it they are the ones hiding in the shadows?

You made it the topic when you made the statement about making donations for political gain. You said it should be illegal then I said honey, the unions have been doing that for decades where were you? So! Where were you?

 

[Papageorgio]

Yeah, where the govt agencies and their employees have contributed to different candidates could get real interesting...

I could see people fired at work in retaliation for their donation to candidates and causes. Government and private employees could be targeted with penalties by their superiors. This could ruin free speech in that regard.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"This ruling looks like a major game changer,” Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) Executive Director Noah Bookbinder said in a statement. “Based on this ruling , the public should know a whole lot more about who is giving money for the purpose of influencing an election, and it will be much harder for donors to anonymously contribute to groups that advertise in elections.”

CREW sued the FEC after Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS, a 501(c) 4 offshoot of the former Bush aide's Crossroads super PAC, failed to disclose the names of contributors behind its $6 million effort to defeat Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) in his 2012 race. A representative for Crossroads GPS did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Judge's ruling invalidates FEC regulation allowing anonymous donations to 'dark money' groups

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yeah, where the govt agencies and their employees have contributed to different candidates could get real interesting...

I could see people fired at work in retaliation for their donation to candidates and causes. Government and private employees could be targeted with penalties by their superiors. This could ruin free speech in that regard.

Exactly the purpose.

 

[Defiant1]

Yeah, where the govt agencies and their employees have contributed to different candidates could get real interesting...

I could see people fired at work in retaliation for their donation to candidates and causes. Government and private employees could be targeted with penalties by their superiors. This could ruin free speech in that regard.

That's what they want. I say let's go for it.
Every charitable donation.
Girl Scouts
Boy Scouts
Bake sales
Lemonade stands
Pan handlers
Street performers
Occupy rallies
Antifa rallies
Every donor must be identified and made public.

 

[WillowTree]

I think we should make public every person who has an abortion, I mean if we can’t have privacy why not?

 

[WillowTree]

How about a list of every person illegally in the US?

 

[Papageorgio]

Yeah, where the govt agencies and their employees have contributed to different candidates could get real interesting...

I could see people fired at work in retaliation for their donation to candidates and causes. Government and private employees could be targeted with penalties by their superiors. This could ruin free speech in that regard.

That's what they want. I say let's go for it.
Every charitable donation.
Girl Scouts
Boy Scouts
Bake sales
Lemonade stands
Pan handlers
Street performers
Occupy rallies
Antifa rallies
Every donor must be identified and made public.

That would be the next logical step.

 

[Disir]

"This ruling looks like a major game changer,” Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) Executive Director Noah Bookbinder said in a statement. “Based on this ruling , the public should know a whole lot more about who is giving money for the purpose of influencing an election, and it will be much harder for donors to anonymously contribute to groups that advertise in elections.”

CREW sued the FEC after Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS, a 501(c) 4 offshoot of the former Bush aide's Crossroads super PAC, failed to disclose the names of contributors behind its $6 million effort to defeat Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) in his 2012 race. A representative for Crossroads GPS did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Judge's ruling invalidates FEC regulation allowing anonymous donations to 'dark money' groups

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?

It's already online and considered public information..............

 

[PoliticalChic]

"This ruling looks like a major game changer,” Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) Executive Director Noah Bookbinder said in a statement. “Based on this ruling , the public should know a whole lot more about who is giving money for the purpose of influencing an election, and it will be much harder for donors to anonymously contribute to groups that advertise in elections.”

CREW sued the FEC after Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS, a 501(c) 4 offshoot of the former Bush aide's Crossroads super PAC, failed to disclose the names of contributors behind its $6 million effort to defeat Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) in his 2012 race. A representative for Crossroads GPS did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Judge's ruling invalidates FEC regulation allowing anonymous donations to 'dark money' groups

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?

It's already online and considered public information..............

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?
It's already online and considered public information..............


Come again?????

 

[Disir]

"This ruling looks like a major game changer,” Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) Executive Director Noah Bookbinder said in a statement. “Based on this ruling , the public should know a whole lot more about who is giving money for the purpose of influencing an election, and it will be much harder for donors to anonymously contribute to groups that advertise in elections.”

CREW sued the FEC after Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS, a 501(c) 4 offshoot of the former Bush aide's Crossroads super PAC, failed to disclose the names of contributors behind its $6 million effort to defeat Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) in his 2012 race. A representative for Crossroads GPS did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Judge's ruling invalidates FEC regulation allowing anonymous donations to 'dark money' groups

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?

It's already online and considered public information..............

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?
It's already online and considered public information..............


Come again?????

Yep. That is all kinds of jacked up, innit?

 

[Disir]

But, hey............let's protect the privacy of the movers and shakers.....

 

[PoliticalChic]

"This ruling looks like a major game changer,” Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) Executive Director Noah Bookbinder said in a statement. “Based on this ruling , the public should know a whole lot more about who is giving money for the purpose of influencing an election, and it will be much harder for donors to anonymously contribute to groups that advertise in elections.”

CREW sued the FEC after Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS, a 501(c) 4 offshoot of the former Bush aide's Crossroads super PAC, failed to disclose the names of contributors behind its $6 million effort to defeat Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) in his 2012 race. A representative for Crossroads GPS did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Judge's ruling invalidates FEC regulation allowing anonymous donations to 'dark money' groups

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?

It's already online and considered public information..............

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?
It's already online and considered public information..............


Come again?????

Yep. That is all kinds of jacked up, innit?

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?
It's already online and considered public information..............

Your post claims that my vote is public information.


That's nonsense.

 

[skews13]

"This ruling looks like a major game changer,” Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) Executive Director Noah Bookbinder said in a statement. “Based on this ruling , the public should know a whole lot more about who is giving money for the purpose of influencing an election, and it will be much harder for donors to anonymously contribute to groups that advertise in elections.”

CREW sued the FEC after Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS, a 501(c) 4 offshoot of the former Bush aide's Crossroads super PAC, failed to disclose the names of contributors behind its $6 million effort to defeat Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) in his 2012 race. A representative for Crossroads GPS did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Judge's ruling invalidates FEC regulation allowing anonymous donations to 'dark money' groups

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?

It's already online and considered public information..............

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?
It's already online and considered public information..............


Come again?????

Yep. That is all kinds of jacked up, innit?

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?
It's already online and considered public information..............

Your post claims that my vote is public information.


That's nonsense.

Your vote, and millions of quid pro quo money donated to politicians, are two entirely different things.

That's a false equivalency.

Your vote is private.

Your million dollar donation check to candidate x, because he's hoping to count on his vote against allowing workers to organize his corporate workplace, or how much sulphur dioxide he's allowed to dump in the river behind the plant, is not.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?

It's already online and considered public information..............

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?
It's already online and considered public information..............


Come again?????

Yep. That is all kinds of jacked up, innit?

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?
It's already online and considered public information..............

Your post claims that my vote is public information.


That's nonsense.

Your vote, and millions of quid pro quo money donated to politicians, are two entirely different things.

That's a false equivalency.

Your vote is private.

Your million dollar donation check to candidate x, because you're hoping to count on his vote against allowing workers to organize his corporate workplace, or how much sulphur dioxide he's allowed to dump in the river behind the plant, is not.

Are you pretending not to recognize that the demand for donor lists is an attempt to chill donations to conservative groups?


If you don't recognize it, you'd have to be so dumb as to be unable to find your way back to the refrigerator box you call home.

If you do recognize it, and support it, you probably believe you look good in your brown shirt.

 

[there4eyeM]

Campaign spending needs to be limited. It is not in the interests of national security that so much can be spent and debate thus limited.

 

[whitehall]

Does a district court judge really have the power to invalidate FEC regulations and part of a law that has been in effect for decades at the stroke of a pen? Something's fishy about the ruling. Shouldn't people have the right to remain anonymous as long as they conform to the law? Where was the judge when Al Gore was caught illegally soliciting political contributions from the freaking White House?

 

[Disir]

"This ruling looks like a major game changer,” Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) Executive Director Noah Bookbinder said in a statement. “Based on this ruling , the public should know a whole lot more about who is giving money for the purpose of influencing an election, and it will be much harder for donors to anonymously contribute to groups that advertise in elections.”

CREW sued the FEC after Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS, a 501(c) 4 offshoot of the former Bush aide's Crossroads super PAC, failed to disclose the names of contributors behind its $6 million effort to defeat Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) in his 2012 race. A representative for Crossroads GPS did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Judge's ruling invalidates FEC regulation allowing anonymous donations to 'dark money' groups

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?

It's already online and considered public information..............

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?
It's already online and considered public information..............


Come again?????

Yep. That is all kinds of jacked up, innit?

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?
It's already online and considered public information..............

Your post claims that my vote is public information.


That's nonsense.

An individual's voting history is public record
Voter Registration & Privacy
Database configuration issues expose 191 million voter records

Frequently Asked Questions | VoterRecords.com

 

[skews13]

It's already online and considered public information..............

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?
It's already online and considered public information..............


Come again?????

Yep. That is all kinds of jacked up, innit?

How far behind can the demand to know who one votes for, be?
It's already online and considered public information..............

Your post claims that my vote is public information.


That's nonsense.

Your vote, and millions of quid pro quo money donated to politicians, are two entirely different things.

That's a false equivalency.

Your vote is private.

Your million dollar donation check to candidate x, because you're hoping to count on his vote against allowing workers to organize his corporate workplace, or how much sulphur dioxide he's allowed to dump in the river behind the plant, is not.

Are you pretending not to recognize that the demand for donor lists is an attempt to chill donations to conservative groups?


If you don't recognize it, you'd have to be so dumb as to be unable to find your way back to the refrigerator box you call home.

If you do recognize it, and support it, you probably believe you look good in your brown shirt.

An attempt to chill conservative groups?

Followed by partisan insults and projection?

This is why the court made the ruling it did. To expose illegitimate actors such as yourself, who obviously have something to hide.

But thanks for admitting to the world it is "conservative groups" that are the ones hiding their faces from the light.

And for clarification, it was the Presidents voter fraud commission that was just repudiated as the fraud that it is, that was the ones who were exposing voters while attempting to illegally, and in a very unamerican way purge them from the voting rolls.

 

[Edgetho]

dimocrap FILTH want donor rolls made public for one reason and one reason only --

So they can send their terror-groups against those who wish to donate to a Political Party without the repercussions of having a dimocrap FILTH terror group demonstrating/rioting on their front lawn.

Just that fucking simple.

They did it in the Deep South, and they're doing it to this day.

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth, people.

NEVER play fair with dimocrap scum. Stomp them. beat them, kick them when they're down...... Destroy them like the cancer they are.

And they deserve even less sympathy.

They will give you none