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Just curious...do the democrats realize...they still own obamacare? And they are happy about that?

Republicans control all branches of government. They control a majority of the states. They have the numbers to pass anything they want without a single democrat vote.

The problem is republicans know how to oppose, but they don't know how to govern.
That's been republicans Achilles heal for many years. There's a wide gulf between the far right and moderate republicans. It's hard to believe they're in the same party. They can agree on repealing Obamacare but they can't agree on a replacement. The same thing is going to happen on tax reform. The difference is a number of Democrats which includes Obama, support corporate tax cuts.
 
Republicans control all branches of government. They control a majority of the states. They have the numbers to pass anything they want without a single democrat vote.

The problem is republicans know how to oppose, but they don't know how to govern.

They know how to govern, because the act of disagreeing and compromise will always mean there will be a few opposing views to get majority satisfied. Sometimes you change a bill to satisfy 4 nay sayers & thus 4 no votes to yes will result cause a new no vote in the change process. This is how gov't bills work, they come almost base blank slate or basic then molded to find best common grounds. The whole point of checks and balances is so no one view section of the country can control the whole.
The problem is you'd be admitting democrats donct kniw how o govern, when Dems decide to be ostructionist the Dems don't do democracy they use pied piper affiliation straight vote instead of individual points of views. In essence Dems don't govern they bully and terrorize and of course screw up everything they touch.
 
They can agree on repealing Obamacare but they can't agree on a replacement. The same thing is going to happen on tax reform. The difference is a number of Democrats which includes Obama, support corporate tax cuts.

They may agree on tax cuts, but they also agree on cutting deficits. And how many times do failed tax cuts have to be tried. They tripled the debt under Reagan, they doubled the debt under Bush, maybe the third time is the charm.
 
An interesting spin, a humiliating defeat for the master deal maker is a win. :cuckoo:

Trump reversed his position from repeal and replace, to let Obamacare fail. Next he will start playing his violin and telling the people to eat cake.
This failed attempt proves that Trump simply does not have the support in congress he needs nor the skill to negotiate with them.

Cutting a deal with congressmen is nothing like cutting a deal for a new Trump tower. It's not about money. It's about relationships, and trust, something Trump does not have.
 
They need to repeal it and forget about replacing it.
Then later they can do a series of small bills like opening state borders to competition, opening federal borders so we can buy drugs from other countries, and stuff like that.
 
They know how to govern, because the act of disagreeing and compromise will always mean there will be a few opposing views to get majority satisfied. Sometimes you change a bill to satisfy 4 nay sayers & thus 4 no votes to yes will result cause a new no vote in the change process. This is how gov't bills work, they come almost base blank slate or basic then molded to find best common grounds.

You're discribing the way republicans heard cats. That's not governing, that's just bitching about how hard governing is.
 
They need to repeal it and forget about replacing it.
Then later they can do a series of small bills like opening state borders to competition, opening federal borders so we can buy drugs from other countries, and stuff like that.

Or they can just transfer title. Since Trump now OWNS obmacare.
 
Do the Trump voters realize that Obamacare isn't going anywhere now? Will they ever again believe any Republican, including Trump, who tries to gain politically by vowing to repeal Obamacare?

We have learned so many lessons! We learned that Trump could NEVER become the nominee, and after he won the nomination, we learned that he could NEVER beat Hillary. We watched each media generated Trump scandal destroy his campaign, and of course we have now learned that Obamacare is here to stay, and that it will not implode on its own.
 
Americans lost today. A man who was suppose to cut through DC double speak and self dealing did not deliver. Republicans who told us it was a new day lied. Democrats who have nothing to offer still look pathetic.
You are questioning a great arch strategist, his chess move today has cornered the dems to now stop their childs play and vote on value of restructuring plan instead of all conspiring to vote party line sabotage-'hinderers'(sawtawns).
Satanists=hinderers(obstructionists)-adversaries.
That never bodes well especially if it exposes Obama care failures they structured forced on the people on the first place.
No silly, trump allowed this failure to hurt the Repubs not lock stepping with him....to bring THEM in line....
10 republican no votes generally can be made up by Dems voting yes but cry bavies were being obstructionist not caring for the needs or wishes of the people. This is where 2 party system fail us as they promote savotahe which you accused without source republicans doing regarding extending medicaid. I doubt your comments but anyway it was impossible for most states to do that as many were akready close to bankruptcy, the extended medixaid was not affordable to states which is why the individual states with high number of such denied extension. The burden was just to great, which is why Dems should never have passed the plan, as done only for legacy and votes from their poor unsuspecting voter base. Most cases people who didn't have insurance who were to benefit from this plan, ended up still uncovered and you canct blame republicans for the rediculous promise by Obama that this was the intent of their Dem plan. Just take the blame for a change, this is one time you need to just swallow pride and support change to a failed idea whereby you were told it would fail and why.
Dems sat in shock as it was clear they had little chance of blocking Republicans from repealing Obamacare

Then Republicans tried to get an agreement just among themselves

What a cluster fuck
 
Americans lost today. A man who was suppose to cut through DC double speak and self dealing did not deliver. Republicans who told us it was a new day lied. Democrats who have nothing to offer still look pathetic.
You are questioning a great arch strategist, his chess move today has cornered the dems to now stop their childs play and vote on value of restructuring plan instead of all conspiring to vote party line sabotage-'hinderers'(sawtawns).
Satanists=hinderers(obstructionists)-adversaries.
That never bodes well especially if it exposes Obama care failures they structured forced on the people on the first place.
No silly, trump allowed this failure to hurt the Repubs not lock stepping with him....to bring THEM in line....
10 republican no votes generally can be made up by Dems voting yes but cry bavies were being obstructionist not caring for the needs or wishes of the people. This is where 2 party system fail us as they promote savotahe which you accused without source republicans doing regarding extending medicaid. I doubt your comments but anyway it was impossible for most states to do that as many were akready close to bankruptcy, the extended medixaid was not affordable to states which is why the individual states with high number of such denied extension. The burden was just to great, which is why Dems should never have passed the plan, as done only for legacy and votes from their poor unsuspecting voter base. Most cases people who didn't have insurance who were to benefit from this plan, ended up still uncovered and you canct blame republicans for the rediculous promise by Obama that this was the intent of their Dem plan. Just take the blame for a change, this is one time you need to just swallow pride and support change to a failed idea whereby you were told it would fail and why.


What a cluster fuck


^^^ Obamacare
 
An interesting spin, a humiliating defeat for the master deal maker is a win. :cuckoo:

Trump reversed his position from repeal and replace, to let Obamacare fail. Next he will start playing his violin and telling the people to eat cake.
This failed attempt proves that Trump simply does not have the support in congress he needs nor the skill to negotiate with them.

Cutting a deal with congressmen is nothing like cutting a deal for a new Trump tower. It's not about money. It's about relationships, and trust, something Trump does not have.
Republicans do not know how to make deals

They only know how to vote NO
 
Since the latest approval of Obamacare vs. Trumpcare was about 49% to 17%,

why should should Democrats lament 'owning' Obamacare?
You do realize Obamacare is bankrupt just like every other socialist entitlement program… Lemmings lol
We have been hearing the same thing about Social Security for 80 years. For some reason, Republicans and Democrats always seem to find a way to keep it going.
Yes the weakness of the nanny state knows no bounds, but we have a national debt as proof of the failure of the socialist entitlement programs.

Our national debt is mostly a result of our stopping paying for our wars.

You know when you make statements like that people will fact check it. I suppose that's why you didn't provide a link to support your statement, which is FLAT WRONG!

http://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/.../Costs of War through 2016 FINAL final v2.pdf
US Budgetary Costs of Wars through 2016: $4.79 Trillion and Counting Summary of Costs of the US Wars in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan and Homeland Security1

Neta C. Crawford2 Boston University

September 2016

The total national debt is just under $20 trillion. Therefore the wars you speakof account for roughly 25% of the national debt. Here is a chart which shows where the money goes. As you will see, since 1970 the US spends more on social programs than we do on defense. Today we spend roughly 3 times as much on social programs than defense. Sorry NyCarbineer, just wishing it so doesn't make it so. Reality!


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Democrats own Obamacare.....you bet your ass

Republicans own squat. Their disastrous attemt at something that looks like healthcare was humiliating

Their fallback?

Obamacare will fail...then you will be sorry
 
They need to repeal it and forget about replacing it.
Then later they can do a series of small bills like opening state borders to competition, opening federal borders so we can buy drugs from other countries, and stuff like that.
There is no federal impediment to across-state-lines sales. In fact, a number of states have passed laws that make this possible now. Also, the ACA has provisions to encourage regional and national sales. So you might ask, why aren't any insurance companies taking advantage of these laws?

Forty years ago, before the days of managed care and health insurance networks, state regulations were the primary factor in limiting competition but not today. Selling insurance in a new region or state takes more than just getting a license and including all the locally required benefits. It also involves setting up favorable contracts with doctors and hospitals so that customers will be able to get access to health care. Establishing those networks of health care providers can be hard for new market entrants filled with risks and costs. The loss of a major hospital with all auxiliary clinics and services can destroy a network that took years to build.

Many of the states would certainly not willingly give up the right to control insurance sales in their state. For some republicans, tramping over states rights to regulate insurance sales would be a fight and would probably end up in the courts.

Allowing people to buy drugs abroad or at least allowing pharmacies and intermediaries to do so is a good idea. In fact, it would result in a major reduction in healthcare cost if we didn't do anything else. However, you're not going to see that in any healthcare bill from republicans or democrats. Big Pharma is too strong.
 
Republicans only solution to healthcare was to slash taxes

They failed miserably
 
But now Trump won....and now the democrats still own obamacare........and they really think they won something today?
Not quite, pinhead!
Tramp took ownership of the PPACA on Jan 20, 2017 the moment he signed his "Executive Order Minimizing the Economic Burden of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Pending Repeal" it then officially became Trumpcare.
Nope....you morons have been screeching all night.....the Republicans failed to repeal it.....obamacare lives....it is obamacare, not Trump care....and you fucking own it.....and when you choke on it...you won't be able to afford the deductible to pay for treatment....
It's Trumpcare now, Tramp has OWNED it since Jan 20, 2017
Why are you rejecting Obamacare .. Judas..
I'm rejecting Tramp's Jan 20, 2017 Trumpcare EO. Tramp removed the mandate and the penalties, he owns its failure now.

Well, Nancy and Chucky say otherwise... sooo.. you know, basically, you eat it... :poke:
 
Not quite, pinhead!
Tramp took ownership of the PPACA on Jan 20, 2017 the moment he signed his "Executive Order Minimizing the Economic Burden of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Pending Repeal" it then officially became Trumpcare.
Nope....you morons have been screeching all night.....the Republicans failed to repeal it.....obamacare lives....it is obamacare, not Trump care....and you fucking own it.....and when you choke on it...you won't be able to afford the deductible to pay for treatment....
It's Trumpcare now, Tramp has OWNED it since Jan 20, 2017
Why are you rejecting Obamacare .. Judas..
I'm rejecting Tramp's Jan 20, 2017 Trumpcare EO. Tramp removed the mandate and the penalties, he owns its failure now.

Well, Nancy and Chucky say otherwise... sooo.. you know, basically, you eat it... :poke:
Notice how the great Speaker of the House Pelosi was able to get her Healthcare bill passed?

Eddie Munster could not even get a vote
 
Not quite, pinhead!
Tramp took ownership of the PPACA on Jan 20, 2017 the moment he signed his "Executive Order Minimizing the Economic Burden of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Pending Repeal" it then officially became Trumpcare.
Nope....you morons have been screeching all night.....the Republicans failed to repeal it.....obamacare lives....it is obamacare, not Trump care....and you fucking own it.....and when you choke on it...you won't be able to afford the deductible to pay for treatment....
It's Trumpcare now, Tramp has OWNED it since Jan 20, 2017
Why are you rejecting Obamacare .. Judas..
I'm rejecting Tramp's Jan 20, 2017 Trumpcare EO. Tramp removed the mandate and the penalties, he owns its failure now.

Well, Nancy and Chucky say otherwise... sooo.. you know, basically, you eat it... :poke:
Democrats do not still own the ACA the republicans have enough of a majority to over turn it. I am happy it ws not replaced by the peice of shit bill that was offered. It goes to show the Republican Party is ready to start governing again, instead of wining and saying NO. Design a bill that works and is good for the country and they it will pass it!!!! True conservatives are taking over the party again. Hurray. Now real conservatives are startng to do what is best for the country instead of bending over for the microwave society of voters who think real change happens with no work and over night. Now maybe our leaders will develope long term plan for fixing infastructure and a way of funding it instead of bending over for the idiots that only want shovel ready projects. Our engineers do not design replacement bridges, sewers, and dams till they think they can fund it. They do not design themselves and they are not designed over night. Carefull planning and long term goals may allow this Congress to actually acomplish some thing for a change. If this congress and administration actually accomplish things then they will stay in control. God bless Ronald Reagan, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and Theodore Roosevelt people who got good things done!!!!
 
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Nope....you morons have been screeching all night.....the Republicans failed to repeal it.....obamacare lives....it is obamacare, not Trump care....and you fucking own it.....and when you choke on it...you won't be able to afford the deductible to pay for treatment....
It's Trumpcare now, Tramp has OWNED it since Jan 20, 2017
Why are you rejecting Obamacare .. Judas..
I'm rejecting Tramp's Jan 20, 2017 Trumpcare EO. Tramp removed the mandate and the penalties, he owns its failure now.

Well, Nancy and Chucky say otherwise... sooo.. you know, basically, you eat it... :poke:
Democrats do not still own the ACA the republicans have enough of a majority to over turn it. I am happy it ws not replaced by the peice of shit bill that was offered. It goes to show the Republican Party is ready to start governing again, instead of wining and saying NO. Design a bill that works and is good for the country and they it will pass it!!!! True conservatives are taking over the party again. Hurray. Now real conservatives are startng to do what is best for the country instead of bending over for the microwave society of voters who think real change happens with no work and over night. Now maybe our leaders will develope long term plan for fixing infastructure and a way of funding it instead of bending over for the idiots that only want shovel ready projects. Our engineers do not design replacement bridges, sewers, and dams till they think they can fund it. They do not design themselves and they are not designed over night. Carefull planning and long term goals may allow this Congress to actually acomplish some thing for a change. If this congress and administration actually accomplish things then they will stay in control. God bless Ronald Reagan, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and Theodore Roosevelt people who got good things done!!!!
Mean while party hijacking tea party idiots can lick my balls.


"Mean while party hijacking tea party idiots can lick my balls"

Sheesh, why did you add that, you were doing so well... :laugh:
 

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