Kamau Bell...

[g5000]

After the gun homicide rate had been climbing for decades, a gun ban was implemented in the UK after the Dunblane school massacre. After that, gun homicides spiked briefly, but have been on a steady downward trend ever since.

The UK experiences about 50 to 60 gun homicides a year now.

And you are wrong about the British gun homicide stats...they returned to the same level they were at in 1990....

The stats diagram...link to the image...

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/UK-Firearm-crime-statistics.png

You say "returned", while ignoring the fact they have been on a constant downward trend which shows no sign of changing course.

In a few years, you innumerates will be saying, "They have returned to the same level they were at in 1980."

Not according to the actual stats....which I posted.....and since gun crime is up all over Britain...including 42% in London and at least 10% in the other major cities.......you are wrong....

You again show your innumeracy, which I exposed above. That's why you keep parroting the more dramatic sounding "42% in London" instead of providing the actual numbers.

As for facts, it is just as I said. After climbing for decades, homicides briefly spiked after the ban, and have been on a steady downward trend ever since.

In a few years, you'll be saying, "They have returned to the same level they were at in 1980."

 

[Preacher]

I have to say I like the guy, I'm watching his show right now.
California gun laws are frivolous at best.
He listens to all sides of the issue it seems, more than I can say about 99.9% of progressives.

Eh me's alright. I saw his show when he met the leader of the IKA (Imperial Klans of America).

 

[2aguy]

After the gun homicide rate had been climbing for decades, a gun ban was implemented in the UK after the Dunblane school massacre. After that, gun homicides spiked briefly, but have been on a steady downward trend ever since.

The UK experiences about 50 to 60 gun homicides a year now.

And you are wrong about the British gun homicide stats...they returned to the same level they were at in 1990....

The stats diagram...link to the image...

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/UK-Firearm-crime-statistics.png

You say "returned", while ignoring the fact they have been on a constant downward trend which shows no sign of changing course.

In a few years, you innumerates will be saying, "They have returned to the same level they were at in 1980."

Not according to the actual stats....which I posted.....and since gun crime is up all over Britain...including 42% in London and at least 10% in the other major cities.......you are wrong....

You again show your innumeracy, which I exposed above. That's why you keep parroting the more dramatic sounding "42% in London" instead of providing the actual numbers.

As for facts, it is just as I said. After climbing for decades, homicides briefly spiked after the ban, and have been on a steady downward trend ever since.

In a few years, you'll be saying, "They have returned to the same level they were at in 1980."

Yes.....let's stop at 2010.......let's not look at 2016...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.

Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
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Gun and knife crime soaring in London, official figures show

More worryingly, there was also a rise in the number of guns being fired on London’s streets, up from 239 cases in 2015/16 to 306 cases in the last financial year.

There was also a 20 per cent increase in the rate of knife attacks involving injuries to victims, up from 3,663 to 4,415 in 2016/17.

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“We are concerned about the rise of gun crime and rise of knife crime offences committed by young people and the changing nature of the offenders. “

He said there was evidence that more young people are carrying knives for a variety of reasons including status, criminality and self-protection but said only around a quarter are affiliated with gangs.

He said police were focusing on reducing stabbings by taking weapons and dangerous offenders off the streets and trying to prevent and divert people from crime.
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“With double-digit growth in gun and knife crime - and a youth homicide almost every fortnight - the crime challenge for London is real and serious and has serious impacts for London’s most disadvantaged communities.”
He added: “With 600 victims of serious youth violence each month, the Met needs a new plan to tackle the violence on our capital’s streets if they are to help impoverished communities.
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[2aguy]

After the gun homicide rate had been climbing for decades, a gun ban was implemented in the UK after the Dunblane school massacre. After that, gun homicides spiked briefly, but have been on a steady downward trend ever since.

The UK experiences about 50 to 60 gun homicides a year now.

And you are wrong about the British gun homicide stats...they returned to the same level they were at in 1990....

The stats diagram...link to the image...

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/UK-Firearm-crime-statistics.png

You say "returned", while ignoring the fact they have been on a constant downward trend which shows no sign of changing course.

In a few years, you innumerates will be saying, "They have returned to the same level they were at in 1980."

Not according to the actual stats....which I posted.....and since gun crime is up all over Britain...including 42% in London and at least 10% in the other major cities.......you are wrong....

You again show your innumeracy, which I exposed above. That's why you keep parroting the more dramatic sounding "42% in London" instead of providing the actual numbers.

As for facts, it is just as I said. After climbing for decades, homicides briefly spiked after the ban, and have been on a steady downward trend ever since.

In a few years, you'll be saying, "They have returned to the same level they were at in 1980."

And let's not look at violent crime across Britain in 2016.....

after all...they did ban guns......so violent crime and gun crime should be going down, not up.....on an island nation.....



Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

 

[2aguy]

After the gun homicide rate had been climbing for decades, a gun ban was implemented in the UK after the Dunblane school massacre. After that, gun homicides spiked briefly, but have been on a steady downward trend ever since.

The UK experiences about 50 to 60 gun homicides a year now.

And you are wrong about the British gun homicide stats...they returned to the same level they were at in 1990....

The stats diagram...link to the image...

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/UK-Firearm-crime-statistics.png

You say "returned", while ignoring the fact they have been on a constant downward trend which shows no sign of changing course.

In a few years, you innumerates will be saying, "They have returned to the same level they were at in 1980."

Not according to the actual stats....which I posted.....and since gun crime is up all over Britain...including 42% in London and at least 10% in the other major cities.......you are wrong....

You again show your innumeracy, which I exposed above. That's why you keep parroting the more dramatic sounding "42% in London" instead of providing the actual numbers.

As for facts, it is just as I said. After climbing for decades, homicides briefly spiked after the ban, and have been on a steady downward trend ever since.

In a few years, you'll be saying, "They have returned to the same level they were at in 1980."

And I am glad gun control is working in Australia.....right? A refugee from somalia, known to counter terrorism police, with a criminal record, on an island nation that has banned and confiscated guns....

There is no way this guy could get a gun in Australia...right? Let alone shoot 3 police officers.....right?


‘Terror’ gunman was on parole

POLICE are investigating possible terror links to a siege in which officers gunned down one man and found another dead in Melbourne’s southeast.

A senior law enforcement figure said the gunman was on parole for a criminal offence and rated as a low-risk figure of interest to counter-terror authorities.

The Herald Sun has revealed the gunman was Yacqub Khayre, a Somali refugee who was known to counter-terrorism police.

Police shot and killed Khayre, a second man was found dead in the foyer of an apartment building in Brighton and three cops sustained gunshot wounds in the bloody hostage drama.

A male caller to the Channel 7 newsroom in Melbourne said: “This is for IS” and “this is for Al-Qaeda.” The station said a woman could be heard screaming in the background.

A Victoria Police statement confirmed police are investigating whether the incident is terrorism related.

 

[2aguy]

After the gun homicide rate had been climbing for decades, a gun ban was implemented in the UK after the Dunblane school massacre. After that, gun homicides spiked briefly, but have been on a steady downward trend ever since.

The UK experiences about 50 to 60 gun homicides a year now.

And you are wrong about the British gun homicide stats...they returned to the same level they were at in 1990....

The stats diagram...link to the image...

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/UK-Firearm-crime-statistics.png

You say "returned", while ignoring the fact they have been on a constant downward trend which shows no sign of changing course.

In a few years, you innumerates will be saying, "They have returned to the same level they were at in 1980."

Not according to the actual stats....which I posted.....and since gun crime is up all over Britain...including 42% in London and at least 10% in the other major cities.......you are wrong....

You again show your innumeracy, which I exposed above. That's why you keep parroting the more dramatic sounding "42% in London" instead of providing the actual numbers.

As for facts, it is just as I said. After climbing for decades, homicides briefly spiked after the ban, and have been on a steady downward trend ever since.

In a few years, you'll be saying, "They have returned to the same level they were at in 1980."

Please...tell us again how the ban and gun confiscation in Australia worked....

The piece on Australian gun crime increasing....Melbourne, Australia...the city of the gun...

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.

 

[g5000]

There is no way this guy could get a gun in Australia...right? Let alone shoot 3 police officers.....right?


‘Terror’ gunman was on parole

An anecdote does not refute the fact that gun crime has declined since the comprehensive gun ban.

No one has said it has completely stopped, fool.

You are now desperately exhibiting confirmation bias.

 

[Rustic]

There is no way this guy could get a gun in Australia...right? Let alone shoot 3 police officers.....right?


‘Terror’ gunman was on parole

An anecdote does not refute the fact that gun crime has declined since the comprehensive gun ban.

No one has said it has completely stopped, fool.

You are now desperately exhibiting confirmation bias.

Up here in the northern plains firearm ownership is overwhelming fact, violent crime is almost nonexistent. More people die from exposure than from violent crime here…

 

[2aguy]

There is no way this guy could get a gun in Australia...right? Let alone shoot 3 police officers.....right?


‘Terror’ gunman was on parole

An anecdote does not refute the fact that gun crime has declined since the comprehensive gun ban.

No one has said it has completely stopped, fool.

You are now desperately exhibiting confirmation bias.

No....I am showing that the ban didn't stop gun crime in Australia. Australians were not committing crimes with guns.....now, they have imported immigrants who don't mind using guns for crime...and their gun crime rate is increasing no matter what they tried to do with the ban and confiscation....the article I linked to is a 3 part article on the escalating gun violence in Australia.....

And again....tell us...how did a refugee to Australia, known to anti-terror police, with a criminal record, get a gun on an island nation that banned and confiscated guns.........hows that gun control working out?

 

[2aguy]

There is no way this guy could get a gun in Australia...right? Let alone shoot 3 police officers.....right?


‘Terror’ gunman was on parole

An anecdote does not refute the fact that gun crime has declined since the comprehensive gun ban.

No one has said it has completely stopped, fool.

You are now desperately exhibiting confirmation bias.

This is not an anecdote...


Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars

In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.

 

[Rustic]

The progressives think that less firearms is the right goal, they have their facts confused. More firearms the safer the nation...

 

[2aguy]

There is no way this guy could get a gun in Australia...right? Let alone shoot 3 police officers.....right?


‘Terror’ gunman was on parole

An anecdote does not refute the fact that gun crime has declined since the comprehensive gun ban.

No one has said it has completely stopped, fool.

You are now desperately exhibiting confirmation bias.

Hey...is this an anecdote?

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

 

[Divine Wind]

The progressives think that less firearms is the right goal, they have their facts confused. More firearms the safer the nation...

Agreed, but I'd broaden that definition; "The progressives think that more laws and restrictions on individual rights is the right goal, they have their facts confused. The more individual liberty, the safer the nation."

Authoritarianism, regardless if it is left or right, is anti-freedom and goes directly against the principles established by the Founders.

 

[g5000]

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.

Ah. Finally some actual numbers.

"Gun crimes" are not homicides. The vast majority were robberies.


In all of Great Britain, there are 50 to 60 firearm homicides each year. From your own link, the total gun and knife homicides in London totaled 109 for 2016.

In the state of Texas (pop. 27.5 million), which is less than HALF the population of the UK (pop. 56.1 million), there are 3,200 gun-related deaths each year. Texas has 1,538 homicides each year.

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality


Comprehensive gun bans are extremely effective.

 

[g5000]

I am pro gun. Those who deny the effectiveness of comprehensive gun bans in achieving lower gun deaths and homicides are idiots completely lacking in common sense. Such people are counterproductive to the cause of supporting our Second Amendment.

When you deny reality, you undermine your integrity and are rightfully dismissed as a "gun nut", with the accentuation on "nut".