Karl Marx in more context.

[RandomPoster]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

 

[Leo123]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

I found this quote most interesting..."Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Now THAT is a loophole one could drive a tank through!! Look, I need A LOT for my use, needs, work and daily pleasures. Yes Sir!!! And, since everyone in Marx-land has to give their hard-earned revenue to everyone else, I would declare ME most needy.

 

[Rigby5]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

I found this quote most interesting..."Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Now THAT is a loophole one could drive a tank through!! Look, I need A LOT for my use, needs, work and daily pleasures. Yes Sir!!! And, since everyone in Marx-land has to give their hard-earned revenue to everyone else, I would declare ME most needy.

Yes, the loophole was intentionally huge.
It was supposed to include the home, clothing, transportation, tools of the trade, etc.

What is was not supposed to include were things that were necessary capital investments for production, such as factories, utilities, apartment buildings, etc., that should be shared ownership and use.

 

[Picaro]

Marx was a bullshit artist and fraud. Engels was a lair and Marx's publisher and fellow con artist, and a better writer than Marx; don't know why he kept Marx around in the first place, since he didn't need him and had to fake the guy's math for him anyway.

 

[Leo123]

Yes, the loophole was intentionally huge.
It was supposed to include the home, clothing, transportation, tools of the trade, etc.

SUPPOSED TO?......WTF happened? Socialist countries are starving.

What is was not supposed to include were things that were necessary capital investments for production, such as factories, utilities, apartment buildings, etc., that should be shared ownership and use.

Capitalism accounts for that without centralized control by a powerful minority or despot. You Neo-Marxists are such dunderheads.

 

[Leo123]

Marx was a bullshit artist and fraud. Engels was a lair and Marx's publisher and fellow con artist, and a better writer than Marx; don't know why he kept Marx around in the first place, since he didn't need him and had to fake the guy's math for him anyway.

So much for Marx......The faux intellectual.

 

[Tehon]

Neither of these quotes are from Marx.

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

Random Poster in context.

 

[xband]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

Marx was a successful dime store novelist and Engels was the brain behind the Communist Manifesto.

 

[Tehon]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

Marx was a successful dime store novelist and Engels was the brain behind the Communist Manifesto.

Who was the brain behind Das Kapital?

 

[xband]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

Marx was a successful dime store novelist and Engels was the brain behind the Communist Manifesto.

Who was the brain behind Das Kapital?

I never heard of Das Kapital so don't know penned that tome. I only have a High School education. I know who penned the tome, The Decline of the West and read it which is baloney. Hitler studied Oswald Spengler when locked up.

 

[Tehon]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

Marx was a successful dime store novelist and Engels was the brain behind the Communist Manifesto.

Who was the brain behind Das Kapital?

I never heard of Das Kapital so don't know penned that tome. I only have a High School education. I know who penned the tome, The Decline of the West and read it which is baloney. Hitler studied Oswald Spengler when locked up.

You wouldn't have learned it in college either.

 

[xband]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

Marx was a successful dime store novelist and Engels was the brain behind the Communist Manifesto.

Who was the brain behind Das Kapital?

I never heard of Das Kapital so don't know penned that tome. I only have a High School education. I know who penned the tome, The Decline of the West and read it which is baloney. Hitler studied Oswald Spengler when locked up.

You wouldn't have learned it in college either.

I learn more on USMB than should be legal and thank you. Das Kapital means 'the money' does it not?

 

[Picaro]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

Marx was a successful dime store novelist and Engels was the brain behind the Communist Manifesto.

Who was the brain behind Das Kapital?

I never heard of Das Kapital so don't know penned that tome. I only have a High School education. I know who penned the tome, The Decline of the West and read it which is baloney. Hitler studied Oswald Spengler when locked up.

Karl Marx wrote most of Volume I. Engels and some fellow commmie hacks ghost wrote Volumes II and III and put Marx's name on it.

 

[McRocket]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

What a bunch of nonsense.

He has no idea how humanity will turn out anymore than anyone else did/does.

People that blindly follow people 'the words of' ANYONE give me the creeps. They are either weak and/or ignorant.

You want the answers to life? You are just going to have to figure them out for yourself because NO ONE has all or even most of the answers.

 

[Tehon]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

Marx was a successful dime store novelist and Engels was the brain behind the Communist Manifesto.

Who was the brain behind Das Kapital?

I never heard of Das Kapital so don't know penned that tome. I only have a High School education. I know who penned the tome, The Decline of the West and read it which is baloney. Hitler studied Oswald Spengler when locked up.

You wouldn't have learned it in college either.

I learn more on USMB than should be legal and thank you. Das Kapital means 'the money' does it not?

It means capital specifically.

 

[Tehon]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

What a bunch of nonsense.

He has no idea how humanity will turn out anymore than anyone else did/does.

People that blindly follow people 'the words of' ANYONE give me the creeps. They are either weak and/or ignorant.

You want the answers to life? You are just going to have to figure them out for yourself because NO ONE has all or even most of the answers.

There is nothing to follow. He didn't lay out a blueprint for how socialism would develop. It's just a theory based on historical observation and critical thought.

 

[McRocket]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

What a bunch of nonsense.

He has no idea how humanity will turn out anymore than anyone else did/does.

People that blindly follow people 'the words of' ANYONE give me the creeps. They are either weak and/or ignorant.

You want the answers to life? You are just going to have to figure them out for yourself because NO ONE has all or even most of the answers.

There is nothing to follow. He didn't lay out a blueprint for how socialism would develop. It's just a theory based on historical observation and critical thought.

Those are your words - not mine. I said 'humanity' - not 'socialism'. And many of his statements are predictions and/or statements of his idea of fact.

Karl Marx Quotes (Author of The Communist Manifesto)

The guy does little for me. Some of what he says is cool. Most of it is over dramatic blather. The guy's arrogance is extraordinary. And arrogance ALWAYS leads to ignorance.

You want to follow the guy or 'gain wisdom from his words'...knock yourself out.

I'll pass thanks.


We are done here.

Good day.

 

[Picaro]

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Here are some more quotes:

"Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work."

Does this include women?

"Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense."

I like this.

Here is a prediction he made regarding the repeated implementation of his ideas:

What a bunch of nonsense.

He has no idea how humanity will turn out anymore than anyone else did/does.

People that blindly follow people 'the words of' ANYONE give me the creeps. They are either weak and/or ignorant.

You want the answers to life? You are just going to have to figure them out for yourself because NO ONE has all or even most of the answers.

There is nothing to follow. He didn't lay out a blueprint for how socialism would develop. It's just a theory based on historical observation and critical thought.

lol the commies all claim it's 'scientific n stuff', based on, like, 'rationalism'. Of course they're usually deranged idiots,so much for how grand 'rationalism' is.

 

[Rigby5]

Marx was a bullshit artist and fraud. Engels was a lair and Marx's publisher and fellow con artist, and a better writer than Marx; don't know why he kept Marx around in the first place, since he didn't need him and had to fake the guy's math for him anyway.

Maybe, I have little to go on. But it seems a little harsh. Surely Marx should be credited with at least recognizing the corruption of previous feudalism/aristocracy, and how the industrial revolution was forcing cottage industries out of business. His promoted solutions now seem vague and simplistic, but that has the advantages of hindsight. And Marx was still ahead of the pack.
But you could be right that he merely was taking credit. I don't see much of a motivation for Marx or Engels to be corrupt because it is not like they had anything to gain by promoting turning the system upside down. And they essentially were right. Just that we found unions and government regulations to work instead of the more drastic options.
However, we have not yet faced the extreme realities of the predictions of Malthus, since we used fossil fuels to put that off. And when fossil fuels are used up, we may once again be facing the predictions of Malthus? Then perhaps more drastic solutions may be the ONLY options?

 

[Rigby5]

Yes, the loophole was intentionally huge.
It was supposed to include the home, clothing, transportation, tools of the trade, etc.

SUPPOSED TO?......WTF happened? Socialist countries are starving.

What is was not supposed to include were things that were necessary capital investments for production, such as factories, utilities, apartment buildings, etc., that should be shared ownership and use.

Capitalism accounts for that without centralized control by a powerful minority or despot. You Neo-Marxists are such dunderheads.

Socialism requires collaborative ownership and control.
That means equal ownership shares of the rewards of production.
Is there any country starving where workers share equally in control and rewards?
Don't think so, which means there are no socialist countries where people are starving.
If some people ware starving while others who control are not, that is the exact opposite of socialism.
That is EXACTLY the definition of capitalism.

Sure capitalism accounts for individual private property, but since capitalism only has private property, it ensures unrealistic exploitation of things people need shared resources to create, such as utilities like water, sanitation, schools, fire departments, transportation, etc. Pure capitalism ensures such powerful monopolies that it can not help but be slavery.
For the last 500 years we fought to get rid of the corrupt aristocracies that kept us in feudalism, and global, multi national corporations are bringing it all back again unless we increase socialism to counter that obvious trend.