Kentucky Bill Passes: Gay Marriage & Normal Marriage Licenses Now Different

How about getting rid of marriage licensing altogether? Why in a supposedly free country do we need permission from the government to get married?

that's imbecilic. marriage is a creation of government. there are over 1,000 rights and obligations that are conferred on a person along with a marriage?

free country? only children think there shouldn't be rules.

but amazing how stupid bigotry makes people
 
Children can't get married, therefore have no contractual standing in a marriage, even that of mommy and daddy...

They implicitly shared the terms of the marriage contract. Implicit parties are legally the same as expressed in contract law.

Sorry. You're wrong. Worse for you, children are the dominant parties in any contract shared with adults. If the contract's terms are onerous to children, they are not merely voidable, they are immediately VOID without challenge. That's how the Infant doctrine on necessities and contracts works.

:itsok:

how many times are you going to repeat the same ignorant and repeatedly disproven assertion?

dumbass
 
How about getting rid of marriage licensing altogether? Why in a supposedly free country do we need permission from the government to get married?

that's imbecilic. marriage is a creation of government.

It is no such thing whatsoever. Marriage has existed for thousands of years as a religious institution. Governments adopted marriage over time.

free country? only children think there shouldn't be rules.

but amazing how stupid bigotry makes people

It's even more amazing how weak and ignorant statism makes people
 
How about getting rid of marriage licensing altogether? Why in a supposedly free country do we need permission from the government to get married?

that's imbecilic. marriage is a creation of government.

It is no such thing whatsoever. Marriage has existed for thousands of years as a religious institution. Governments adopted marriage over time.

free country? only children think there shouldn't be rules.

but amazing how stupid bigotry makes people

It's even more amazing how weak and ignorant statism makes people

lol. ok pretend libertarian.
 
How about getting rid of marriage licensing altogether? Why in a supposedly free country do we need permission from the government to get married?

that's imbecilic. marriage is a creation of government.

It is no such thing whatsoever. Marriage has existed for thousands of years as a religious institution. Governments adopted marriage over time.

free country? only children think there shouldn't be rules.

but amazing how stupid bigotry makes people

It's even more amazing how weak and ignorant statism makes people

lol. ok pretend libertarian.

The position I just stated doesn't get any more libertarian than that.
 
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FRANKFORT, Ky. – Kentucky's state Senate approved a bill Thursday that creates different marriage license forms for gay and straight couples, with one Republican senator saying any form that does not include the words "bride" and "groom" is disrespectful to traditional families.

The primary purpose of the legislation was to remove the names of county clerks from marriage licenses, a response to the controversy surrounding Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis and her refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

But the Republican-controlled Senate amended the bill as a way to show their support for traditional marriage. Former Democratic Gov. Steve Beshear changed the marriage license form last summer once same-sex marriages became legal, removing "bride" and "groom" and replacing it with "first party" and "second party."

"Quite frankly, it's almost disrespectful to the traditional family," said Republican state Sen. John Schickel of Union. "That's' why, wisely, we decided to have two forms. That has nothing to do with bigotry, nothing to do with discrimination. It has to do with the vast majority of Kentuckians that respect traditional marriage."

Democratic Sen. Morgan McGarvey of Louisville tried to amend the bill to create one form, where a person would have the option to check "bride," ''groom" or "spouse" beside their name. He said having one form would be cheaper and more efficient, and it would treat everyone fairly. It failed.
Kentucky Senate approves bill creating separate marriage license forms | Fox News

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This would make the two unions distinct. It will be helpful when later certain couples try to use "marriage" to adopt children which would strip them of either a mother or father for life as a matter of binding contract.

Nope. They're both still marriage under Kentucky law.

Remember, you don't actually have the slightest clue what you're talking about.
The homo marriage is actually a faux-marriage. It's not the same as real marriage between a man and woman.

Then you probably wouldn't want to enter into a same sex marriage. For those who do want to, the law accommodates them too.

Everybody wins!
 
Since it can now be two grooms, two brides, or a mixture, by law, it's time to update the forms. We do that you know, change from time to time as life changes.

As any educated person can guess where this is going...the distinction is needed not only for the offensiveness of referring to a man as "wife" or woman as "husband"...but also to the adoption issue. The different licenses will tell agencies which people will provide the vital mother/father needs for both boys and girls and which people will not.

You...you do realize that in the law there is no distinction and that anyone can you use either form, right?

Children are coming up in this topic. Like it or not. They had no representation of their unique enjoyments of the marriage contract in the revision-Hearing last Spring (Obergefell). Contract law demands all parties to a contract be present. It was a mistrial.


Alas, you forgot a couple of key details: There is no requirement that 'children' have 'representation' in a supreme court hearing lest it be a 'mistrial'. Nor does contract law require that 'children' be 'reprsented' in the Obergefell Supreme Court hearing. You made that up too. Supreme Court hearings aren't even trials. There's no part of this you got right.

Remember, your pseudo-legal gibberish doesn't actually have any relevance to the law or the outcome of any case.
 
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Children can't get married, therefore have no contractual standing in a marriage, even that of mommy and daddy...

They implicitly shared the terms of the marriage contract. Implicit parties are legally the same as expressed in contract law.

Says you citing your imagination. Back in reality, no court recognizes a marriage of parents as a minor contract for their children. Nor recognizes a child as being married to their parents. With the Supreme Court having found that the right to marry isn't predicated on children.

Remember, you don't actually know a thing about the law. You're citing your imagination. And your imagination is irrelevant.
Sorry. You're wrong. Worse for you, children are the dominant parties in any contract shared with adults. If the contract's terms are onerous to children, they are not merely voidable, they are immediately VOID without challenge. That's how the Infant doctrine on necessities and contracts works.

:itsok:

Says your imagination. Back in reality, every such marriage is perfectly valid. And your personal opinion has no relevance to anyone's marriage.

See how that works?
 
How about getting rid of marriage licensing altogether? Why in a supposedly free country do we need permission from the government to get married?

If you want a marriage that doesn't involve the state nor is recognized by it.....you can totally do that.

So you already have everything you want. Rejoice!

Why is a license required in order to be recognized by the state? But on that note, why does the state need to be in the business of recognizing marriages in the first place?

To verify that the marriage has met the requirements set by the State for marriage, of course.

If you don't want to meet those requirements you can totally make up your own marriage that has nothing to do with the State. And won't be recognized by it.

Everyone wins!

That's my whole point. Why do we need the state to set marriage requirements? How is it any of their concern?

We don't need them- but they exist.
 
How about getting rid of marriage licensing altogether? Why in a supposedly free country do we need permission from the government to get married?

that's imbecilic. marriage is a creation of government.

It is no such thing whatsoever. Marriage has existed for thousands of years as a religious institution. Governments adopted marriage over time.

free country? only children think there shouldn't be rules.

but amazing how stupid bigotry makes people

It's even more amazing how weak and ignorant statism makes people

lol. ok pretend libertarian.

The position I just stated doesn't get any more libertarian than that.

If you want a marriage that doesn't have any government interference, requirements or recognition.....you can have that.

How much more libertarian does it get than that?
 
And where, pray tell, does Kentucky make a legal distinction between same sex and opposite sex marriage?

See, there's this thing called "reading the OP before you start babbling ignorantly". You should look into it.

Well, see....the piece in the OP says there is a distinction between the two types of marriage certificates.

That's not what I asked. I asked for the legal distinction. Not the font on a certificate.

There is no 'gay marriage' in Kentucky law. There is merely marriage.
Gay marriage will be the qualifier. Marriage is reserved for normal couples.

In Kentucky there is no such thing as 'gay marriage'. There's merely marriage. Which both same sex and opposite sex couples can enter into.
 
How about getting rid of marriage licensing altogether? Why in a supposedly free country do we need permission from the government to get married?

that's imbecilic. marriage is a creation of government.

It is no such thing whatsoever. Marriage has existed for thousands of years as a religious institution. Governments adopted marriage over time.

free country? only children think there shouldn't be rules.

but amazing how stupid bigotry makes people

It's even more amazing how weak and ignorant statism makes people

lol. ok pretend libertarian.

The position I just stated doesn't get any more libertarian than that.

If you want a marriage that doesn't have any government interference, requirements or recognition.....you can have that.

How much more libertarian does it get than that?

Actually, no, you can't, not with the way the laws in most states are structured today
 
that's imbecilic. marriage is a creation of government.

It is no such thing whatsoever. Marriage has existed for thousands of years as a religious institution. Governments adopted marriage over time.

free country? only children think there shouldn't be rules.

but amazing how stupid bigotry makes people

It's even more amazing how weak and ignorant statism makes people

lol. ok pretend libertarian.

The position I just stated doesn't get any more libertarian than that.

If you want a marriage that doesn't have any government interference, requirements or recognition.....you can have that.

How much more libertarian does it get than that?

Actually, no, you can't, not with the way the laws in most states are structured today

Sure you can. You can write your own marriage certificate on printer paper, have yourself married by anyone you wish, and recognize yourself as husband and wife.

The State doesn't ever get involved, interfere with your arrangement, nor even recognize your marriage. Its the perfect libertarian solution.
 
It is no such thing whatsoever. Marriage has existed for thousands of years as a religious institution. Governments adopted marriage over time.

It's even more amazing how weak and ignorant statism makes people

lol. ok pretend libertarian.

The position I just stated doesn't get any more libertarian than that.

If you want a marriage that doesn't have any government interference, requirements or recognition.....you can have that.

How much more libertarian does it get than that?

Actually, no, you can't, not with the way the laws in most states are structured today

Sure you can. You can write your own marriage certificate on printer paper, have yourself married by anyone you wish, and recognize yourself as husband and wife.

The State doesn't ever get involved, interfere with your arrangement, nor even recognize your marriage. Its the perfect libertarian solution.
Libertarians hate the State, but want all the benefits, with no strings attached.
 
lol. ok pretend libertarian.

The position I just stated doesn't get any more libertarian than that.

If you want a marriage that doesn't have any government interference, requirements or recognition.....you can have that.

How much more libertarian does it get than that?

Actually, no, you can't, not with the way the laws in most states are structured today

Sure you can. You can write your own marriage certificate on printer paper, have yourself married by anyone you wish, and recognize yourself as husband and wife.

The State doesn't ever get involved, interfere with your arrangement, nor even recognize your marriage. Its the perfect libertarian solution.
Libertarians hate the State, but want all the benefits, with no strings attached.

So the Libertarians want explicit state involvement, protection and recognition.....but with no authority to even define what it is they are involved in, protecting or recognizing.

Seems a little...inconsistent.
 
In Kentucky there is no such thing as 'gay marriage'. There's merely marriage. Which both same sex and opposite sex couples can enter into.

Well.....not exactly...

Yes, exactly. Remember Sil....same sex couples can use *either* form.
Not according to Kentucky law they can't.

Show us Kentucky law saying this.

And show us how same sex marriage is treated any differently under the law in Kentucky that opposite sex marriage.
 
In Kentucky there is no such thing as 'gay marriage'. There's merely marriage. Which both same sex and opposite sex couples can enter into.

Well.....not exactly...

Yes, exactly. Remember Sil....same sex couples can use *either* form.
Not according to Kentucky law they can't.

Did you read the entire article?

Republican Sen. Stephen West, the sponsor of the bill and whose district includes Rowan County, said gay couples could choose to use the "bride" and "groom" form if they wished.
 

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