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ummm..... yesyep. And we saw how that turned out. Our President has lowered gas prices so much that it isn't fiscally feasable anymore. Thank you BarackIf Republicans had included Keystone in a comprehensive public works bill meant to provide millions of jobs, it would have been approved in a minute
Instead, they used it as a means to have a political showdown with the President....they lost
obama lowered oil prices? LMAO...
The culture of man used to be based on fashioning wood into spears to hunt animals and gather wild fruits and nuts;
Until it became based on building permanent structures and farming the land;
Until it became based on navigating the oceans and mining metals;
Until it became based on demarcating states and raiding the states of others;
Until it became based on Mercantilism;
Until it became based on industrialization and capitalism.
Why so regressive?
why so silly?
you're against evolution of the species AND "capitalism"?
You think everything should be freeeee?
marxists are pretty comical. I want a freeeeee Ferrari..and a freeeeee house in hawaii, comrade...and I want the government to provide them for me...otherwise it would be viewed as "regressive"...and we don't want to be called names, of course..LMFAO..
What Marxists?
And where in that post did you see anything about anything free.
If any thing it's you folks that want "free".
You want free oil subsidies and free support of the Military industrial complex.
There's a name for that.
Fascism.
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
As usual you're all over the map..saying just whatever comes into your head next...
for the fourth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism? I'm still waiting for that
Me all over the map?
You're the one against progress.
Oil energy for generations..
Really?
Yes..oil will be the primary source of energy in the world for generations to come.
for the fifth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism?
for the second time;
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
You make wild claims and allegations and when you get challenged, you ignore it and dash off and make another inflammatory comment...shallow and weak, son...ADD, perhaps?
That really blew up in their faces.No relevance to argument what so ever,and a perfect example of willful ignorance.That bridge down the street,how many permanent jobs were created for that??!!There go lots of jobs down the drain.
How many permanent jobs was that?
When you have a backlog of tens of thousands of deficient bridges, I would say that could be multi- generational jobs.
That is what amazes me about Republicans
Keystone was their only infrastructure jobs program. Tens of thousands of projects that will help Americans and they only care about a Canadian pipeline
but they decided to go "all in" on a foreign pipeline w/ a net job total of 35 and this great nation being on the hook for the inevitable spill clean-ups. How'd that work out Repubs?To the very end, Republicans could have gotten Obama's approval on Keystone if they didn't use it as a stick to beat them with
Obama had a jobs bill sitting in Congress for a year and a half. If Republicans had offered up approval of those needed infrastructure projects in return for Keystone, they could have had it
.
yabut the Repubs were for it!!!Taking the land of American citizens up north, through eminent domain, for a foreign country corporation, for a pipeline of their ownership, to ship their tar sands across our nation to the gulf of mexico, for a handful of oil refineries to score big time in Texas....is not for the benefit of the Nation, but a financial gain for a company or two....plus it goes to American refineries
Eminent domain should never be used for this purpose...the betterment for the Nation yes, not the betterment for a handful if even a handful of American corporations, and the betterment for a foreign nation's company.
That's simply wrong.
ummm..... yesyep. And we saw how that turned out. Our President has lowered gas prices so much that it isn't fiscally feasable anymore. Thank you BarackIf Republicans had included Keystone in a comprehensive public works bill meant to provide millions of jobs, it would have been approved in a minute
Instead, they used it as a means to have a political showdown with the President....they lost
obama lowered oil prices? LMAO...
Obamagas to drop below $2 a gallon nationwide | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Are you implying the stimulus didn't perform as they were sold it would, as to shovel ready jobs, and they were to then believe them on other bills?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.To the very end, Republicans could have gotten Obama's approval on Keystone if they didn't use it as a stick to beat them with
Obama had a jobs bill sitting in Congress for a year and a half. If Republicans had offered up approval of those needed infrastructure projects in return for Keystone, they could have had it
.
but they decided to go "all in" on a foreign pipeline w/ a net job total of 35 and this great nation being on the hook for the inevitable spill clean-ups. How'd that work out Repubs?To the very end, Republicans could have gotten Obama's approval on Keystone if they didn't use it as a stick to beat them with
Obama had a jobs bill sitting in Congress for a year and a half. If Republicans had offered up approval of those needed infrastructure projects in return for Keystone, they could have had it
.
why so silly?
you're against evolution of the species AND "capitalism"?
You think everything should be freeeee?
marxists are pretty comical. I want a freeeeee Ferrari..and a freeeeee house in hawaii, comrade...and I want the government to provide them for me...otherwise it would be viewed as "regressive"...and we don't want to be called names, of course..LMFAO..
What Marxists?
And where in that post did you see anything about anything free.
If any thing it's you folks that want "free".
You want free oil subsidies and free support of the Military industrial complex.
There's a name for that.
Fascism.
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
As usual you're all over the map..saying just whatever comes into your head next...
for the fourth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism? I'm still waiting for that
Me all over the map?
You're the one against progress.
Oil energy for generations..
Really?
Yes..oil will be the primary source of energy in the world for generations to come.
for the fifth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism?
for the second time;
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
You make wild claims and allegations and when you get challenged, you ignore it and dash off and make another inflammatory comment...shallow and weak, son...ADD, perhaps?
Where, exactly, did I post I want to abolish capitalism.
oh..it "probably" will, huh? and what will supplant it? Communism?..socialism?...We already know those don't do anything except advance the elite...It will, probably, over the course of time, be taken over by another economic mechanism.
Describe this process where capitalism "gradually" and "naturally" is "replaced by another economic mechanism". What is the name of this "economic mechanism" and how will goods and services be exchanged under your new "mechanism"?But this should happen gradually and "naturally". It should not be opposed by the interests of a few.
proof?Which by the way, is happening with the oil energy lobby, which has a stranglehold on this and many economies.
israel and their interests is the main reason we keep the ME destabilized. How much oil did you say we imported from the ME?..where DO we import the most oil from? (figured I'd repeat the question, cuz you usually dodge and try to change the subject...but on the off chance that I can get an honest response...)It's the reason we go to war in the middle east and spend so much of our resources.
Keystone was the Republicans big "job initiative"
Hundreds of thousands of construction jobs available in building and repairing our own aging infrastructure and the only project Republicans support is one helping Canada
What Marxists?
And where in that post did you see anything about anything free.
If any thing it's you folks that want "free".
You want free oil subsidies and free support of the Military industrial complex.
There's a name for that.
Fascism.
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
As usual you're all over the map..saying just whatever comes into your head next...
for the fourth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism? I'm still waiting for that
Me all over the map?
You're the one against progress.
Oil energy for generations..
Really?
Yes..oil will be the primary source of energy in the world for generations to come.
for the fifth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism?
for the second time;
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
You make wild claims and allegations and when you get challenged, you ignore it and dash off and make another inflammatory comment...shallow and weak, son...ADD, perhaps?
Where, exactly, did I post I want to abolish capitalism.
You even lost track of your deflections yourself...
oh..it "probably" will, huh? and what will supplant it? Communism?..socialism?...We already know those don't do anything except advance the elite...It will, probably, over the course of time, be taken over by another economic mechanism.
Describe this process where capitalism "gradually" and "naturally" is "replaced by another economic mechanism". What is the name of this "economic mechanism" and how will goods and services be exchanged under your new "mechanism"?But this should happen gradually and "naturally". It should not be opposed by the interests of a few.
proof?Which by the way, is happening with the oil energy lobby, which has a stranglehold on this and many economies.
link?
Oil is what the world runs on..like it or not...and if we hamper our own production it doesn't hurt anyone except americans.
israel and their interests is the main reason we keep the ME destabilized. How much oil did you say we imported from the ME?..where DO we import the most oil from? (figured I'd repeat the question, cuz you usually dodge and try to change the subject...but on the off chance that I can get an honest response...)It's the reason we go to war in the middle east and spend so much of our resources.
LMAO..keep chanting the party line...don't bother to educate yourself, partisan...how much oil do we import from the middle east?
Where DO we import the most oil from?
Why do we import ANY oil?
Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?
Having worked in the oil industry, (first career) for some years I can attest to what you are saying.pipline people are very very anal,there are rule after rule for how when and where anything is done,pipelines are much safer,economically cheaper than any other form of transport.Facts: All new pipelines have built-in pressure sensors and independently off-grid electric ball-valves installed about every half mile along the pipeline.
Should any portion of the pipeline pressure drop due to any damage occurring to cause the pipeline pressure to fall below a very small parameter the ball valves on either side of the rupture automatically close.
This insures very little oil ends up on the ground. Under every square inch of the pipeline is installed a thick rubber (synthetic) vapor/catchment barrier curved up on the sides to prevent oil from seeping into the ground.
THINK!
The LAST THING any pipeline company wants is to have a drop of oil escape the pipeline and possibly pollute the ground.
VERY BAD for business financially and a public relations nightmare.
Again. THINK!
Keystone was the Republicans big "job initiative"
Hundreds of thousands of construction jobs available in building and repairing our own aging infrastructure and the only project Republicans support is one helping Canada
Makes one wonder what country they prioritize
http://priceofoil.org/content/uploads/2011/09/OCIkeystoneXL_2011R.pdfValero, the top beneficiary of the Keystone
XL pipeline, has recently explicitly detailed
an export strategy to its investors. The nation’s top refiner has locked in at least 20 percent of the pipeline’s capacity, and, because its
refinery in Port Arthur is within a Foreign Trade
Zone, the company will accomplish its export
strategy tax free.
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
As usual you're all over the map..saying just whatever comes into your head next...
for the fourth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism? I'm still waiting for that
Me all over the map?
You're the one against progress.
Oil energy for generations..
Really?
Yes..oil will be the primary source of energy in the world for generations to come.
for the fifth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism?
for the second time;
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
You make wild claims and allegations and when you get challenged, you ignore it and dash off and make another inflammatory comment...shallow and weak, son...ADD, perhaps?
Where, exactly, did I post I want to abolish capitalism.
You even lost track of your deflections yourself...
oh..it "probably" will, huh? and what will supplant it? Communism?..socialism?...We already know those don't do anything except advance the elite...It will, probably, over the course of time, be taken over by another economic mechanism.
Describe this process where capitalism "gradually" and "naturally" is "replaced by another economic mechanism". What is the name of this "economic mechanism" and how will goods and services be exchanged under your new "mechanism"?But this should happen gradually and "naturally". It should not be opposed by the interests of a few.
proof?Which by the way, is happening with the oil energy lobby, which has a stranglehold on this and many economies.
link?
Oil is what the world runs on..like it or not...and if we hamper our own production it doesn't hurt anyone except americans.
israel and their interests is the main reason we keep the ME destabilized. How much oil did you say we imported from the ME?..where DO we import the most oil from? (figured I'd repeat the question, cuz you usually dodge and try to change the subject...but on the off chance that I can get an honest response...)It's the reason we go to war in the middle east and spend so much of our resources.
LMAO..keep chanting the party line...don't bother to educate yourself, partisan...how much oil do we import from the middle east?
Where DO we import the most oil from?
Why do we import ANY oil?
Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?
Proof?
Energy Task Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Describe this process where capitalism "gradually" and "naturally" is "replaced by another economic mechanism". What is the name of this "economic mechanism" and how will goods and services be exchanged under your new "mechanism"?sallow said:But this should happen gradually and "naturally". It should not be opposed by the interests of a few.
Oh you must mean like when we went to war to 'steal' Iraq's oil right? You know. How Cheney and Haliburton planned the whole thing right?why so silly?
you're against evolution of the species AND "capitalism"?
You think everything should be freeeee?
marxists are pretty comical. I want a freeeeee Ferrari..and a freeeeee house in hawaii, comrade...and I want the government to provide them for me...otherwise it would be viewed as "regressive"...and we don't want to be called names, of course..LMFAO..
What Marxists?
And where in that post did you see anything about anything free.
If any thing it's you folks that want "free".
You want free oil subsidies and free support of the Military industrial complex.
There's a name for that.
Fascism.
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
As usual you're all over the map..saying just whatever comes into your head next...
for the fourth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism? I'm still waiting for that
Me all over the map?
You're the one against progress.
Oil energy for generations..
Really?
Yes..oil will be the primary source of energy in the world for generations to come.
for the fifth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism?
for the second time;
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
You make wild claims and allegations and when you get challenged, you ignore it and dash off and make another inflammatory comment...shallow and weak, son...ADD, perhaps?
Where, exactly, did I post I want to abolish capitalism.
It will, probably, over the course of time, be taken over by another economic mechanism.
But this should happen gradually and "naturally". It should not be opposed by the interests of a few.
Which by the way, is happening with the oil energy lobby, which has a stranglehold on this and many economies.
It's the reason we go to war in the middle east and spend so much of our resources.
You're so ill informed you're a joke. Canadian companies have had to put up BILLIONS in insurance policies to cover any cleanups. I've already explained how safe the new pipelines are. You choose to ignore the facts. That makes you a dummy.but they decided to go "all in" on a foreign pipeline w/ a net job total of 35 and this great nation being on the hook for the inevitable spill clean-ups. How'd that work out Repubs?To the very end, Republicans could have gotten Obama's approval on Keystone if they didn't use it as a stick to beat them with
Obama had a jobs bill sitting in Congress for a year and a half. If Republicans had offered up approval of those needed infrastructure projects in return for Keystone, they could have had it
.
Me all over the map?
You're the one against progress.
Oil energy for generations..
Really?
Yes..oil will be the primary source of energy in the world for generations to come.
for the fifth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism?
for the second time;
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
You make wild claims and allegations and when you get challenged, you ignore it and dash off and make another inflammatory comment...shallow and weak, son...ADD, perhaps?
Where, exactly, did I post I want to abolish capitalism.
You even lost track of your deflections yourself...
oh..it "probably" will, huh? and what will supplant it? Communism?..socialism?...We already know those don't do anything except advance the elite...It will, probably, over the course of time, be taken over by another economic mechanism.
Describe this process where capitalism "gradually" and "naturally" is "replaced by another economic mechanism". What is the name of this "economic mechanism" and how will goods and services be exchanged under your new "mechanism"?But this should happen gradually and "naturally". It should not be opposed by the interests of a few.
proof?Which by the way, is happening with the oil energy lobby, which has a stranglehold on this and many economies.
link?
Oil is what the world runs on..like it or not...and if we hamper our own production it doesn't hurt anyone except americans.
israel and their interests is the main reason we keep the ME destabilized. How much oil did you say we imported from the ME?..where DO we import the most oil from? (figured I'd repeat the question, cuz you usually dodge and try to change the subject...but on the off chance that I can get an honest response...)It's the reason we go to war in the middle east and spend so much of our resources.
LMAO..keep chanting the party line...don't bother to educate yourself, partisan...how much oil do we import from the middle east?
Where DO we import the most oil from?
Why do we import ANY oil?
Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?
Proof?
Energy Task Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
irrelevant and non responsive...
but now you're off on another tangent as you purposely evade and introduce new subjects.
Regarding the destruction of capitalism;
Describe this process where capitalism "gradually" and "naturally" is "replaced by another economic mechanism". What is the name of this "economic mechanism" and how will goods and services be exchanged under your new "mechanism"?sallow said:But this should happen gradually and "naturally". It should not be opposed by the interests of a few.
Regarding importing oil from the ME;
Where DO we import the most oil from?
Why do we import ANY oil?
Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?
Oh you must mean like when we went to war to 'steal' Iraq's oil right? You know. How Cheney and Haliburton planned the whole thing right?What Marxists?
And where in that post did you see anything about anything free.
If any thing it's you folks that want "free".
You want free oil subsidies and free support of the Military industrial complex.
There's a name for that.
Fascism.
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
As usual you're all over the map..saying just whatever comes into your head next...
for the fourth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism? I'm still waiting for that
Me all over the map?
You're the one against progress.
Oil energy for generations..
Really?
Yes..oil will be the primary source of energy in the world for generations to come.
for the fifth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism?
for the second time;
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
You make wild claims and allegations and when you get challenged, you ignore it and dash off and make another inflammatory comment...shallow and weak, son...ADD, perhaps?
Where, exactly, did I post I want to abolish capitalism.
It will, probably, over the course of time, be taken over by another economic mechanism.
But this should happen gradually and "naturally". It should not be opposed by the interests of a few.
Which by the way, is happening with the oil energy lobby, which has a stranglehold on this and many economies.
It's the reason we go to war in the middle east and spend so much of our resources.
You're a fucking dummy.
The FACT is pal not a single US oil company has a "stranglehold" on any ME economy.
Quite the opposite is true. The US has had to pay through the nose for ME oil. Ever heard of 'OPEC' dummy?
Yes..oil will be the primary source of energy in the world for generations to come.
for the fifth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism?
for the second time;
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".
You make wild claims and allegations and when you get challenged, you ignore it and dash off and make another inflammatory comment...shallow and weak, son...ADD, perhaps?
Where, exactly, did I post I want to abolish capitalism.
You even lost track of your deflections yourself...
oh..it "probably" will, huh? and what will supplant it? Communism?..socialism?...We already know those don't do anything except advance the elite...It will, probably, over the course of time, be taken over by another economic mechanism.
Describe this process where capitalism "gradually" and "naturally" is "replaced by another economic mechanism". What is the name of this "economic mechanism" and how will goods and services be exchanged under your new "mechanism"?But this should happen gradually and "naturally". It should not be opposed by the interests of a few.
proof?Which by the way, is happening with the oil energy lobby, which has a stranglehold on this and many economies.
link?
Oil is what the world runs on..like it or not...and if we hamper our own production it doesn't hurt anyone except americans.
israel and their interests is the main reason we keep the ME destabilized. How much oil did you say we imported from the ME?..where DO we import the most oil from? (figured I'd repeat the question, cuz you usually dodge and try to change the subject...but on the off chance that I can get an honest response...)It's the reason we go to war in the middle east and spend so much of our resources.
LMAO..keep chanting the party line...don't bother to educate yourself, partisan...how much oil do we import from the middle east?
Where DO we import the most oil from?
Why do we import ANY oil?
Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?
Proof?
Energy Task Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
irrelevant and non responsive...
but now you're off on another tangent as you purposely evade and introduce new subjects.
Regarding the destruction of capitalism;
Describe this process where capitalism "gradually" and "naturally" is "replaced by another economic mechanism". What is the name of this "economic mechanism" and how will goods and services be exchanged under your new "mechanism"?sallow said:But this should happen gradually and "naturally". It should not be opposed by the interests of a few.
Regarding importing oil from the ME;
Where DO we import the most oil from?
Why do we import ANY oil?
Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?
Of course it's relevant and in direct response to your point.
Cheney had private heads of oil corporations secretly determining public policy in terms of energy. Part and parcel with that was the invasion of Iraq, which the PNAC, a group that Cheney and many folks in the Bush administration were a part of, overtly advocated for.
And as to what replaces Capitalism? Who knows?
It's probably something that looks like a blend of both capitalism and socialism in the short term.
But over the longer term it will be as "radical" as the eventual evolution of capitalism out of monarchies.
