Keystone is over

[BULLDOG]

Of course it's relevant and in direct response to your point.

Cheney had private heads of oil corporations secretly determining public policy in terms of energy. Part and parcel with that was the invasion of Iraq, which the PNAC, a group that Cheney and many folks in the Bush administration were a part of, overtly advocated for.

And as to what replaces Capitalism? Who knows?

It's probably something that looks like a blend of both capitalism and socialism in the short term.

But over the longer term it will be as "radical" as the eventual evolution of capitalism out of monarchies.

so you don't know how or when...you just know it will happen...Ok, that's a safe position to take...you don't have to support anything..just say "I think such and such will happen....." LMAO

for the fifth (or 6th) time
Regarding importing oil from the ME;

Where DO we import the most oil from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Sorry, really?

The point wasn't to grab oil for America..

The point was to keep oil from American enemies and create scarcity in the world.

Which, worked out very nicely.

American oil companies made a bundle.

you guys are Pavlovian.... even when you don't know what you're talking about, in a pinch...blame bush for everything.

...oil is a commodity..the price rises and falls regardless of what our enemies do..no one can micromanage the world oil supply..that's delusional..

The more one posses of a desired commodity, the better off one will be.

the more oil we produce here, the better for americans overall.
Now go ahead and tell me I'm wrong and "explain" how producing our own oil will be bad for the economy and importing oil is better....

Canadian bitumen isn't ours, and it isn't oil.

Not what we're talking about, though, is it?

You were the one referring to our oil in a thread about XL, not me.

 

[Dot Com]

Canadian bitumen isn't ours, and it isn't oil.

^ that

 

[BULLDOG]

Of course it's relevant and in direct response to your point.

Cheney had private heads of oil corporations secretly determining public policy in terms of energy. Part and parcel with that was the invasion of Iraq, which the PNAC, a group that Cheney and many folks in the Bush administration were a part of, overtly advocated for.

And as to what replaces Capitalism? Who knows?

It's probably something that looks like a blend of both capitalism and socialism in the short term.

But over the longer term it will be as "radical" as the eventual evolution of capitalism out of monarchies.

so you don't know how or when...you just know it will happen...Ok, that's a safe position to take...you don't have to support anything..just say "I think such and such will happen....." LMAO

for the fifth (or 6th) time
Regarding importing oil from the ME;

Where DO we import the most oil from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Sorry, really?

The point wasn't to grab oil for America..

The point was to keep oil from American enemies and create scarcity in the world.

Which, worked out very nicely.

American oil companies made a bundle.

you guys are Pavlovian.... even when you don't know what you're talking about, in a pinch...blame bush for everything.

...oil is a commodity..the price rises and falls regardless of what our enemies do..no one can micromanage the world oil supply..that's delusional..

The more one posses of a desired commodity, the better off one will be.

the more oil we produce here, the better for americans overall.
Now go ahead and tell me I'm wrong and "explain" how producing our own oil will be bad for the economy and importing oil is better....

We currently produce more than we import. The global supply is way up hence the low cost. Drilling operations are already slowing because of the price. Calling for more right now makes no sense.

the more one owns of a (finished) valuable commodity (not oil in the ground..oil reserves), the better one is in the long run.

What has that got to do with importing Canadian bitumen?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Woohoo
Just heard on TV.

So I better buy gas today, since prices will double tomorrow...

Thanks Communists!

 

[Rotagilla]

so you don't know how or when...you just know it will happen...Ok, that's a safe position to take...you don't have to support anything..just say "I think such and such will happen....." LMAO

for the fifth (or 6th) time
Regarding importing oil from the ME;

Where DO we import the most oil from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Sorry, really?

The point wasn't to grab oil for America..

The point was to keep oil from American enemies and create scarcity in the world.

Which, worked out very nicely.

American oil companies made a bundle.

you guys are Pavlovian.... even when you don't know what you're talking about, in a pinch...blame bush for everything.

...oil is a commodity..the price rises and falls regardless of what our enemies do..no one can micromanage the world oil supply..that's delusional..

The more one posses of a desired commodity, the better off one will be.

the more oil we produce here, the better for americans overall.
Now go ahead and tell me I'm wrong and "explain" how producing our own oil will be bad for the economy and importing oil is better....

We currently produce more than we import. The global supply is way up hence the low cost. Drilling operations are already slowing because of the price. Calling for more right now makes no sense.

the more one owns of a (finished) valuable commodity (not oil in the ground..oil reserves), the better one is in the long run.

What has that got to do with importing Canadian bitumen?

bitumen isn't the only hydrocarbon we import from canada, you know?

Where DO we import the most OIL from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

 

[Uncensored2008]

There go lots of jobs down the drain.

Obama and the Communists, helping the little guy again.

Hey, the dims NEED to drive oil prices up, the green energy scams of Elon Musk and other billionaires DEPEND of fucking the poor with extreme energy prices...

Remember who Obama and the Commies work for!

 

[Sallow]

Proof?
Energy Task Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

irrelevant and non responsive...
but now you're off on another tangent as you purposely evade and introduce new subjects.


Regarding the destruction of capitalism;

But this should happen gradually and "naturally". It should not be opposed by the interests of a few.

Describe this process where capitalism "gradually" and "naturally" is "replaced by another economic mechanism". What is the name of this "economic mechanism" and how will goods and services be exchanged under your new "mechanism"?

Regarding importing oil from the ME;

Where DO we import the most oil from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Of course it's relevant and in direct response to your point.

Cheney had private heads of oil corporations secretly determining public policy in terms of energy. Part and parcel with that was the invasion of Iraq, which the PNAC, a group that Cheney and many folks in the Bush administration were a part of, overtly advocated for.

And as to what replaces Capitalism? Who knows?

It's probably something that looks like a blend of both capitalism and socialism in the short term.

But over the longer term it will be as "radical" as the eventual evolution of capitalism out of monarchies.

so you don't know how or when...you just know it will happen...Ok, that's a safe position to take...you don't have to support anything..just say "I think such and such will happen....." LMAO

for the fifth (or 6th) time
Regarding importing oil from the ME;

Where DO we import the most oil from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Sorry, really?

The point wasn't to grab oil for America..

The point was to keep oil from American enemies and create scarcity in the world.

Which, worked out very nicely.

American oil companies made a bundle.

you guys are Pavlovian.... even when you don't know what you're talking about, in a pinch...blame bush for everything.

...oil is a commodity..the price rises and falls regardless of what our enemies do..no one can micromanage the world oil supply..that's delusional..

The more one posses of a desired commodity, the better off one will be.

the more oil we produce here, the better for americans overall.
Now go ahead and tell me I'm wrong and "explain" how producing our own oil will be bad for the economy and importing oil is better....

Middle East - 2015 Index of U.S. Military Strength

 

[Rotagilla]

irrelevant and non responsive...
but now you're off on another tangent as you purposely evade and introduce new subjects.


Regarding the destruction of capitalism;
Describe this process where capitalism "gradually" and "naturally" is "replaced by another economic mechanism". What is the name of this "economic mechanism" and how will goods and services be exchanged under your new "mechanism"?

Regarding importing oil from the ME;

Where DO we import the most oil from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Of course it's relevant and in direct response to your point.

Cheney had private heads of oil corporations secretly determining public policy in terms of energy. Part and parcel with that was the invasion of Iraq, which the PNAC, a group that Cheney and many folks in the Bush administration were a part of, overtly advocated for.

And as to what replaces Capitalism? Who knows?

It's probably something that looks like a blend of both capitalism and socialism in the short term.

But over the longer term it will be as "radical" as the eventual evolution of capitalism out of monarchies.

so you don't know how or when...you just know it will happen...Ok, that's a safe position to take...you don't have to support anything..just say "I think such and such will happen....." LMAO

for the fifth (or 6th) time
Regarding importing oil from the ME;

Where DO we import the most oil from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Sorry, really?

The point wasn't to grab oil for America..

The point was to keep oil from American enemies and create scarcity in the world.

Which, worked out very nicely.

American oil companies made a bundle.

you guys are Pavlovian.... even when you don't know what you're talking about, in a pinch...blame bush for everything.

...oil is a commodity..the price rises and falls regardless of what our enemies do..no one can micromanage the world oil supply..that's delusional..

The more one posses of a desired commodity, the better off one will be.

the more oil we produce here, the better for americans overall.
Now go ahead and tell me I'm wrong and "explain" how producing our own oil will be bad for the economy and importing oil is better....

View attachment 53822

Middle East - 2015 Index of U.S. Military Strength

non sequitur

We're talking about oil...Why are you trying to change the subject again?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yeah, about.... 30.

Pogo, you're dumb as a fucking lamp post, but 30 people is what you think build a trans-continental pipeline?

Do you think it was 12 Chinese who built the Railroad in the 19th Century?

 

[BULLDOG]

Sorry, really?

The point wasn't to grab oil for America..

The point was to keep oil from American enemies and create scarcity in the world.

Which, worked out very nicely.

American oil companies made a bundle.

you guys are Pavlovian.... even when you don't know what you're talking about, in a pinch...blame bush for everything.

...oil is a commodity..the price rises and falls regardless of what our enemies do..no one can micromanage the world oil supply..that's delusional..

The more one posses of a desired commodity, the better off one will be.

the more oil we produce here, the better for americans overall.
Now go ahead and tell me I'm wrong and "explain" how producing our own oil will be bad for the economy and importing oil is better....

We currently produce more than we import. The global supply is way up hence the low cost. Drilling operations are already slowing because of the price. Calling for more right now makes no sense.

the more one owns of a (finished) valuable commodity (not oil in the ground..oil reserves), the better one is in the long run.

What has that got to do with importing Canadian bitumen?

bitumen isn't the only hydrocarbon we import from canada, you know?

Where DO we import the most OIL from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Certainly not the only hydrocarbon, but it is what XL was designed for.

 

[BULLDOG]

Of course it's relevant and in direct response to your point.

Cheney had private heads of oil corporations secretly determining public policy in terms of energy. Part and parcel with that was the invasion of Iraq, which the PNAC, a group that Cheney and many folks in the Bush administration were a part of, overtly advocated for.

And as to what replaces Capitalism? Who knows?

It's probably something that looks like a blend of both capitalism and socialism in the short term.

But over the longer term it will be as "radical" as the eventual evolution of capitalism out of monarchies.

so you don't know how or when...you just know it will happen...Ok, that's a safe position to take...you don't have to support anything..just say "I think such and such will happen....." LMAO

for the fifth (or 6th) time
Regarding importing oil from the ME;

Where DO we import the most oil from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Sorry, really?

The point wasn't to grab oil for America..

The point was to keep oil from American enemies and create scarcity in the world.

Which, worked out very nicely.

American oil companies made a bundle.

you guys are Pavlovian.... even when you don't know what you're talking about, in a pinch...blame bush for everything.

...oil is a commodity..the price rises and falls regardless of what our enemies do..no one can micromanage the world oil supply..that's delusional..

The more one posses of a desired commodity, the better off one will be.

the more oil we produce here, the better for americans overall.
Now go ahead and tell me I'm wrong and "explain" how producing our own oil will be bad for the economy and importing oil is better....

View attachment 53822

Middle East - 2015 Index of U.S. Military Strength

non sequitur

We're talking about oil...Why are you trying to change the subject again?

No. We are talking about XL,which was designed to transport bitumen. Oil isn't part of the subject.

 

[Rotagilla]

you guys are Pavlovian.... even when you don't know what you're talking about, in a pinch...blame bush for everything.

...oil is a commodity..the price rises and falls regardless of what our enemies do..no one can micromanage the world oil supply..that's delusional..

The more one posses of a desired commodity, the better off one will be.

the more oil we produce here, the better for americans overall.
Now go ahead and tell me I'm wrong and "explain" how producing our own oil will be bad for the economy and importing oil is better....

We currently produce more than we import. The global supply is way up hence the low cost. Drilling operations are already slowing because of the price. Calling for more right now makes no sense.

the more one owns of a (finished) valuable commodity (not oil in the ground..oil reserves), the better one is in the long run.

What has that got to do with importing Canadian bitumen?

bitumen isn't the only hydrocarbon we import from canada, you know?

Where DO we import the most OIL from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Certainly not the only hydrocarbon, but it is what XL was designed for.

Where DO we import the most OIL from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

 

[Rotagilla]

so you don't know how or when...you just know it will happen...Ok, that's a safe position to take...you don't have to support anything..just say "I think such and such will happen....." LMAO

for the fifth (or 6th) time
Regarding importing oil from the ME;

Where DO we import the most oil from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Sorry, really?

The point wasn't to grab oil for America..

The point was to keep oil from American enemies and create scarcity in the world.

Which, worked out very nicely.

American oil companies made a bundle.

you guys are Pavlovian.... even when you don't know what you're talking about, in a pinch...blame bush for everything.

...oil is a commodity..the price rises and falls regardless of what our enemies do..no one can micromanage the world oil supply..that's delusional..

The more one posses of a desired commodity, the better off one will be.

the more oil we produce here, the better for americans overall.
Now go ahead and tell me I'm wrong and "explain" how producing our own oil will be bad for the economy and importing oil is better....

View attachment 53822

Middle East - 2015 Index of U.S. Military Strength

non sequitur

We're talking about oil...Why are you trying to change the subject again?

No. We are talking about XL,which was designed to transport bitumen. Oil isn't part of the subject.

availability of hydrocarbons is most certainly "part of the subject"...they're the REASON for wanting to build it.

 

[BULLDOG]

We currently produce more than we import. The global supply is way up hence the low cost. Drilling operations are already slowing because of the price. Calling for more right now makes no sense.

the more one owns of a (finished) valuable commodity (not oil in the ground..oil reserves), the better one is in the long run.

What has that got to do with importing Canadian bitumen?

bitumen isn't the only hydrocarbon we import from canada, you know?

Where DO we import the most OIL from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Certainly not the only hydrocarbon, but it is what XL was designed for.

Where DO we import the most OIL from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

We recently found plenty of oil here to last a long long time. Of course, everybody and his brother started drilling and caused a glut which resulted in the bottom falling on prices and lots of little drillers selling out at pennies on the dollar. Big companies bought all that and closed down most of the new wells to save until prices go back up. There is really no need, other than the oil companies making more money, to import any oil from anywhere right now.

 

[Rotagilla]

the more one owns of a (finished) valuable commodity (not oil in the ground..oil reserves), the better one is in the long run.

What has that got to do with importing Canadian bitumen?

bitumen isn't the only hydrocarbon we import from canada, you know?

Where DO we import the most OIL from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Certainly not the only hydrocarbon, but it is what XL was designed for.

Where DO we import the most OIL from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

We recently found plenty of oil here to last a long long time. Of course, everybody and his brother started drilling and caused a glut which resulted in the bottom falling on prices and lots of little drillers selling out at pennies on the dollar. Big companies bought all that and closed down most of the new wells to save until prices go back up. There is really no need, other than the oil companies making more money, to import any oil from anywhere right now.

I agree...thanks. I'm not sure how the oil companies are making money on oil that is already sold and in reserve...but that's another discussion...
and for every company that does go out of business, an opening exists for another to come in and do the job better/more efficiently...That's how it works.
When autos were invented not many people lamented that carriage building businesses folded...they just had to adjust and adapt to changing times...

 

[depotoo]

Uhmm, you don't think bitumen is full of oil? Surely you jest.

so you don't know how or when...you just know it will happen...Ok, that's a safe position to take...you don't have to support anything..just say "I think such and such will happen....." LMAO

for the fifth (or 6th) time
Regarding importing oil from the ME;

Where DO we import the most oil from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Sorry, really?

The point wasn't to grab oil for America..

The point was to keep oil from American enemies and create scarcity in the world.

Which, worked out very nicely.

American oil companies made a bundle.

you guys are Pavlovian.... even when you don't know what you're talking about, in a pinch...blame bush for everything.

...oil is a commodity..the price rises and falls regardless of what our enemies do..no one can micromanage the world oil supply..that's delusional..

The more one posses of a desired commodity, the better off one will be.

the more oil we produce here, the better for americans overall.
Now go ahead and tell me I'm wrong and "explain" how producing our own oil will be bad for the economy and importing oil is better....

View attachment 53822

Middle East - 2015 Index of U.S. Military Strength

non sequitur

We're talking about oil...Why are you trying to change the subject again?

No. We are talking about XL,which was designed to transport bitumen. Oil isn't part of the subject.

 

[depotoo]

OPEC continues with high production, and demand is down, causing falling prices.

the more one owns of a (finished) valuable commodity (not oil in the ground..oil reserves), the better one is in the long run.

What has that got to do with importing Canadian bitumen?

bitumen isn't the only hydrocarbon we import from canada, you know?

Where DO we import the most OIL from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

Certainly not the only hydrocarbon, but it is what XL was designed for.

Where DO we import the most OIL from?

Why do we import ANY oil?

Are we out of oil in america?....or is there a political "reason"?

We recently found plenty of oil here to last a long long time. Of course, everybody and his brother started drilling and caused a glut which resulted in the bottom falling on prices and lots of little drillers selling out at pennies on the dollar. Big companies bought all that and closed down most of the new wells to save until prices go back up. There is really no need, other than the oil companies making more money, to import any oil from anywhere right now.

 

[jon_berzerk]

There go lots of jobs down the drain.

But you are against creating new jobs by building infrastructure?

pipeline is infrastructure

It's not OUR pipeline, Canadians would own it, and they can refuse shipment through it of American oil and give priority to Canadian oil.

While taking American lands away through eminent domain.

Do you have a 401k? do any investing,if so,very good chance you own a chunk of said company,don't be so stupid.

they cant help it

 

[jon_berzerk]

There go lots of jobs down the drain.

But you are against creating new jobs by building infrastructure?

pipeline is infrastructure

It's not OUR pipeline, Canadians would own it, and they can refuse shipment through it of American oil and give priority to Canadian oil.

While taking American lands away through eminent domain.

Do you have a 401k? do any investing,if so,very good chance you own a chunk of said company,don't be so stupid.

that's complete bull crap....and no reason for government to steal citizen's land that they want to keep!

SHAME ON YOU!

so it is ok for the government to steal ones wealth for social programs

but it is not ok to steal with payment ones land to further infrastucture

 

[Staidhup]

Just a victim of low oil prices. Suspension is not termination.