Keystone is over

[Care4all]

plus it goes to American refineries

Taking the land of American citizens up north, through eminent domain, for a foreign country corporation, for a pipeline of their ownership, to ship their tar sands across our nation to the gulf of mexico, for a handful of oil refineries to score big time in Texas....is not for the benefit of the Nation, but a financial gain for a company or two....

Eminent domain should never be used for this purpose...the betterment for the Nation yes, not the betterment for a handful if even a handful of American corporations, and the betterment for a foreign nation's company.

That's simply wrong.

 

[depotoo]

Which have a much higher incidence of accidents than a pipeline.

Now the crude will be transferred into the US by trains and tankers.

At least until the next Republican President.

 

[depotoo]

If you want the general population to be able to afford those cars, find them some jobs.

if we somehow manage to get an american patriot as the next president, keystone won't matter...we'll be drilling and producing our own oil for our own benefit..

Worshipping big oil is now patriotic?

It's Nationalism and Socialism for the rich.

National Socialism for the rich..now where did that happen before?

no son..in the real world, the entire planet runs on oil and will continue to do so for generations..do you "worship" the gas you put in your car?....or are you just agitating and exaggerating again?

define "national socialism" and compare and contrast it with ..whatEVER your "theory" is...explain in detail how "your" new system would work...How will goods and services be exchanged when you do away with "capitalism"? LMAO

Son? I think I am older than you. And having been with many women, you never know, you might be my son..

In the real world, many countries are developing alternative methods of generating energy. We are getting left in the dust (and smoke). And we already have automobiles, available on the market place, that do not need gasoline.

I think Mussolini defined fascism best as "Corporatism". Something conservatives engage in, daily.

 

[depotoo]

Big oil spent the time and money to find a way to bring reasonably priced oil products to consumers, ya know.

if we somehow manage to get an american patriot as the next president, keystone won't matter...we'll be drilling and producing our own oil for our own benefit..

Worshipping big oil is now patriotic?

 

[depotoo]

Are you implying the stimulus didn't perform as they were sold it would, as to shovel ready jobs, and they were to then believe them on other bills?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

To the very end, Republicans could have gotten Obama's approval on Keystone if they didn't use it as a stick to beat them with

Obama had a jobs bill sitting in Congress for a year and a half. If Republicans had offered up approval of those needed infrastructure projects in return for Keystone, they could have had it




.

 

[Rotagilla]

Now the crude will be transferred into the US by trains and tankers.

At least until the next Republican President.

Well unless we further cut our dependency on fossil fuels.

When are YOU going to walk around with no shoes and clothes on? When are YOU going to stop eating foods which require fossil fuels to build the machinery to plant/water/harvest/transport the foods on roads which machines made to the stores which were built by machines which made the materials to construct the stores and on and fucking on and on.
Our civilisation globally is based on removing elements from the ground and making things so humans can survive.
Either this or go back to living in the stone age.
Love how fucking Al Gore flies around in his private jets which dump thousands of tons of pollution into the atmosphere.

The culture of man used to be based on fashioning wood into spears to hunt animals and gather wild fruits and nuts;
Until it became based on building permanent structures and farming the land;
Until it became based on navigating the oceans and mining metals;
Until it became based on demarcating states and raiding the states of others;
Until it became based on Mercantilism;
Until it became based on industrialization and capitalism.

Why so regressive?

why so silly?

you're against evolution of the species AND "capitalism"?

You think everything should be freeeee?
marxists are pretty comical. I want a freeeeee Ferrari..and a freeeeee house in hawaii, comrade...and I want the government to provide them for me...otherwise it would be viewed as "regressive"...and we don't want to be called names, of course..LMFAO..

What Marxists?

And where in that post did you see anything about anything free.

If any thing it's you folks that want "free".

You want free oil subsidies and free support of the Military industrial complex.

There's a name for that.

Fascism.

Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".

As usual you're all over the map..saying just whatever comes into your head next...

for the fourth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism? I'm still waiting for that

 

[chikenwing]

There go lots of jobs down the drain.

But you are against creating new jobs by building infrastructure?

pipeline is infrastructure

It's not OUR pipeline, Canadians would own it, and they can refuse shipment through it of American oil and give priority to Canadian oil.

While taking American lands away through eminent domain.

Do you have a 401k? do any investing,if so,very good chance you own a chunk of said company,don't be so stupid.

 

[chikenwing]

Facts: All new pipelines have built-in pressure sensors and independently off-grid electric ball-valves installed about every half mile along the pipeline.
Should any portion of the pipeline pressure drop due to any damage occurring to cause the pipeline pressure to fall below a very small parameter the ball valves on either side of the rupture automatically close.
This insures very little oil ends up on the ground. Under every square inch of the pipeline is installed a thick rubber (synthetic) vapor/catchment barrier curved up on the sides to prevent oil from seeping into the ground.
THINK!
The LAST THING any pipeline company wants is to have a drop of oil escape the pipeline and possibly pollute the ground.
VERY BAD for business financially and a public relations nightmare.
Again. THINK!

pipline people are very very anal,there are rule after rule for how when and where anything is done,pipelines are much safer,economically cheaper than any other form of transport.

 

[Care4all]

There go lots of jobs down the drain.

But you are against creating new jobs by building infrastructure?

pipeline is infrastructure

It's not OUR pipeline, Canadians would own it, and they can refuse shipment through it of American oil and give priority to Canadian oil.

While taking American lands away through eminent domain.

Do you have a 401k? do any investing,if so,very good chance you own a chunk of said company,don't be so stupid.

that's complete bull crap....and no reason for government to steal citizen's land that they want to keep!

SHAME ON YOU!

 

[Sallow]

Well unless we further cut our dependency on fossil fuels.

When are YOU going to walk around with no shoes and clothes on? When are YOU going to stop eating foods which require fossil fuels to build the machinery to plant/water/harvest/transport the foods on roads which machines made to the stores which were built by machines which made the materials to construct the stores and on and fucking on and on.
Our civilisation globally is based on removing elements from the ground and making things so humans can survive.
Either this or go back to living in the stone age.
Love how fucking Al Gore flies around in his private jets which dump thousands of tons of pollution into the atmosphere.

The culture of man used to be based on fashioning wood into spears to hunt animals and gather wild fruits and nuts;
Until it became based on building permanent structures and farming the land;
Until it became based on navigating the oceans and mining metals;
Until it became based on demarcating states and raiding the states of others;
Until it became based on Mercantilism;
Until it became based on industrialization and capitalism.

Why so regressive?

why so silly?

you're against evolution of the species AND "capitalism"?

You think everything should be freeeee?
marxists are pretty comical. I want a freeeeee Ferrari..and a freeeeee house in hawaii, comrade...and I want the government to provide them for me...otherwise it would be viewed as "regressive"...and we don't want to be called names, of course..LMFAO..

What Marxists?

And where in that post did you see anything about anything free.

If any thing it's you folks that want "free".

You want free oil subsidies and free support of the Military industrial complex.

There's a name for that.

Fascism.

Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".

As usual you're all over the map..saying just whatever comes into your head next...

for the fourth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism? I'm still waiting for that

Me all over the map?

You're the one against progress.

Oil energy for generations..

Really?

 

[jillian]

There go lots of jobs down the drain.

short term.... permanent jobs, not so much. just a lot of tax free money to multinational corporations.

let them employ people rebuilding our infrastructure.

 

[chikenwing]

There go lots of jobs down the drain.

But you are against creating new jobs by building infrastructure?

pipeline is infrastructure

It's not OUR pipeline, Canadians would own it, and they can refuse shipment through it of American oil and give priority to Canadian oil.

While taking American lands away through eminent domain.

Do you have a 401k? do any investing,if so,very good chance you own a chunk of said company,don't be so stupid.

that's complete bull crap....and no reason for government to steal citizen's land that they want to keep!

SHAME ON YOU!

The only thing they are giving up are rights of way on their property,just like phone,electrical,cable lines,and the 10 of thousand of existing pipelines.

 

[jillian]

When are YOU going to walk around with no shoes and clothes on? When are YOU going to stop eating foods which require fossil fuels to build the machinery to plant/water/harvest/transport the foods on roads which machines made to the stores which were built by machines which made the materials to construct the stores and on and fucking on and on.
Our civilisation globally is based on removing elements from the ground and making things so humans can survive.
Either this or go back to living in the stone age.
Love how fucking Al Gore flies around in his private jets which dump thousands of tons of pollution into the atmosphere.

The culture of man used to be based on fashioning wood into spears to hunt animals and gather wild fruits and nuts;
Until it became based on building permanent structures and farming the land;
Until it became based on navigating the oceans and mining metals;
Until it became based on demarcating states and raiding the states of others;
Until it became based on Mercantilism;
Until it became based on industrialization and capitalism.

Why so regressive?

why so silly?

you're against evolution of the species AND "capitalism"?

You think everything should be freeeee?
marxists are pretty comical. I want a freeeeee Ferrari..and a freeeeee house in hawaii, comrade...and I want the government to provide them for me...otherwise it would be viewed as "regressive"...and we don't want to be called names, of course..LMFAO..

What Marxists?

And where in that post did you see anything about anything free.

If any thing it's you folks that want "free".

You want free oil subsidies and free support of the Military industrial complex.

There's a name for that.

Fascism.

Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".

As usual you're all over the map..saying just whatever comes into your head next...

for the fourth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism? I'm still waiting for that

Me all over the map?

You're the one against progress.

Oil energy for generations..

Really?

you know reality isn't their friend.

 

[Camp]

The ongoing destruction of Canadian wilderness and beautiful forest is becoming endangered.

 

[chikenwing]

There go lots of jobs down the drain.

short term.... permanent jobs, not so much. just a lot of tax free money to multinational corporations.

let them employ people rebuilding our infrastructure.

No tax money involved,all private,try again.

 

[Rotagilla]

When are YOU going to walk around with no shoes and clothes on? When are YOU going to stop eating foods which require fossil fuels to build the machinery to plant/water/harvest/transport the foods on roads which machines made to the stores which were built by machines which made the materials to construct the stores and on and fucking on and on.
Our civilisation globally is based on removing elements from the ground and making things so humans can survive.
Either this or go back to living in the stone age.
Love how fucking Al Gore flies around in his private jets which dump thousands of tons of pollution into the atmosphere.

The culture of man used to be based on fashioning wood into spears to hunt animals and gather wild fruits and nuts;
Until it became based on building permanent structures and farming the land;
Until it became based on navigating the oceans and mining metals;
Until it became based on demarcating states and raiding the states of others;
Until it became based on Mercantilism;
Until it became based on industrialization and capitalism.

Why so regressive?

why so silly?

you're against evolution of the species AND "capitalism"?

You think everything should be freeeee?
marxists are pretty comical. I want a freeeeee Ferrari..and a freeeeee house in hawaii, comrade...and I want the government to provide them for me...otherwise it would be viewed as "regressive"...and we don't want to be called names, of course..LMFAO..

What Marxists?

And where in that post did you see anything about anything free.

If any thing it's you folks that want "free".

You want free oil subsidies and free support of the Military industrial complex.

There's a name for that.

Fascism.

Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".

As usual you're all over the map..saying just whatever comes into your head next...

for the fourth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism? I'm still waiting for that

Me all over the map?

You're the one against progress.

Oil energy for generations..

Really?

Yes..oil will be the primary source of energy in the world for generations to come.

for the fifth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism?

for the second time;
Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".

You make wild claims and allegations and when you get challenged, you ignore it and dash off and make another inflammatory comment...shallow and weak, son...ADD, perhaps?

 

[Dot Com]

If Republicans had included Keystone in a comprehensive public works bill meant to provide millions of jobs, it would have been approved in a minute

Instead, they used it as a means to have a political showdown with the President....they lost

yep. And we saw how that turned out. Our President has lowered gas prices so much that it isn't fiscally feasable to build anymore. Thank you Barack

 

[Rotagilla]

The culture of man used to be based on fashioning wood into spears to hunt animals and gather wild fruits and nuts;
Until it became based on building permanent structures and farming the land;
Until it became based on navigating the oceans and mining metals;
Until it became based on demarcating states and raiding the states of others;
Until it became based on Mercantilism;
Until it became based on industrialization and capitalism.

Why so regressive?

why so silly?

you're against evolution of the species AND "capitalism"?

You think everything should be freeeee?
marxists are pretty comical. I want a freeeeee Ferrari..and a freeeeee house in hawaii, comrade...and I want the government to provide them for me...otherwise it would be viewed as "regressive"...and we don't want to be called names, of course..LMFAO..

What Marxists?

And where in that post did you see anything about anything free.

If any thing it's you folks that want "free".

You want free oil subsidies and free support of the Military industrial complex.

There's a name for that.

Fascism.

Post ONE direct quote from anyone who said they want "free oil subsidies and free support of the (sic) Military industrial complex".

As usual you're all over the map..saying just whatever comes into your head next...

for the fourth time;
can you explain how goods and services would be exchanged if you could abolish capitalism? I'm still waiting for that

Me all over the map?

You're the one against progress.

Oil energy for generations..

Really?

you know reality isn't their friend.

go ahead and refute the comment that oil will be the primary source of energy for generations to come.

..just kidding..
I know you can't..

 

[Rotagilla]

If Republicans had included Keystone in a comprehensive public works bill meant to provide millions of jobs, it would have been approved in a minute

Instead, they used it as a means to have a political showdown with the President....they lost

yep. And we saw how that turned out. Our President has lowered gas prices so much that it isn't fiscally feasable anymore. Thank you Barack

obama lowered oil prices? LMAO...

 

[Dot Com]

There go lots of jobs down the drain.

How many permanent jobs was that?

No relevance to argument what so ever,and a perfect example of willful ignorance.That bridge down the street,how many permanent jobs were created for that??!!

When you have a backlog of tens of thousands of deficient bridges, I would say that could be multi- generational jobs.

That is what amazes me about Republicans

Keystone was their only infrastructure jobs program. Tens of thousands of projects that will help Americans and they only care about a Canadian pipeline

That really blew up in their faces.