Keystone will leak 0.011% of the 8.6M barrels of oil dripping from cars in a year

[healthmyths]

Down the Drain: 363 Million Gallons or 8,642,857 barrels! In a year!
Used engine oil can end up in waterways. An average oil change uses five quarts; one change can contaminate a million gallons of fresh water. Much oil in runoff from land and municipal and industrial wastes ends up in the oceans. 363 million gallons.
Road runoff adds up
Every year oily road runoff from a city of 5 million could contain as much oil as one large tanker spill.

Ocean Planet: Oil Pollution

YET all you ANTI-KEYSTONE idiots don't consider for ONE minute that in ONE MINUTE EVERY HOUR 24 hours a day 365.25 days a year
985 barrels of oil drip out of cars while they drive, on the drive way in the streets! Almost 1,000 barrels a minute!

Keystone pipeline is about 2,000 miles and in 24 hours ONLY 350 barrels is in ONE MILE of pipe at a time!
So even if the entire one mile was destroyed ONLY 350 barrels would spill... VS the 1,000 barrels per minute your car and millions of other cars is spilling!!!

 

[healthmyths]

SO anti-Keystone people WHERE IS YOUR ANSWER???
Why are you willing to risk an oil tanker carrying 1 million barrels EVERY DAY possibly spilling versus a pipeline that the managers have had ACTUAL experiences in managing 25,000 miles of already existing
pipelines that in 10 years they've had 610 spills total 132,000 barrels over 10 years in pipelines carrying 2,200,000 barrels a day! 803,550,000 barrels A YEAR!

AND YET you anti-Keystone idiots fight those REAL numbers by encouraging 1 million barrels on the open seas???

 

[tyroneweaver]

great post. These environmental policies have gotten completely out of hand.

Part of the policies are just to destroy republican and conservative thinking.

 

[g5000]

Down the Drain: 363 Million Gallons or 8,642,857 barrels! In a year!
Used engine oil can end up in waterways. An average oil change uses five quarts; one change can contaminate a million gallons of fresh water. Much oil in runoff from land and municipal and industrial wastes ends up in the oceans. 363 million gallons.
Road runoff adds up
Every year oily road runoff from a city of 5 million could contain as much oil as one large tanker spill.

Ocean Planet: Oil Pollution

YET all you ANTI-KEYSTONE idiots don't consider for ONE minute that in ONE MINUTE EVERY HOUR 24 hours a day 365.25 days a year
985 barrels of oil drip out of cars while they drive, on the drive way in the streets! Almost 1,000 barrels a minute!

Keystone pipeline is about 2,000 miles and in 24 hours ONLY 350 barrels is in ONE MILE of pipe at a time!
So even if the entire one mile was destroyed ONLY 350 barrels would spill... VS the 1,000 barrels per minute your car and millions of other cars is spilling!!!

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Don't you ever get tired of having your nuts kicked for getting your facts wrong about oil spills?

 

[rdean]

Two years ago, Chicagoans were gazing nervously eastward as a massive pipeline spill dumped one million gallons of heavy Canadian bitumen, or tar sands oil, into the Kalamazoo River, which empties into Lake Michigan. Public officials openly worried that the oil plume might reach the Great Lakes

Even though this week marks the second anniversary of the Kalamazoo spill, the cleanup is not yet complete. Nonetheless, it stands as the longest and costliest pipeline cleanup in America’s history, with oil sheens still clearly visible on the waterway Wednesday. The cleanup difficulty is largely due to the heavy, sticky and stubborn nature of tar sands oil which mucked riverbanks and sensitive wetlands that have proven difficult to remove. The EPA has overseen the cleanup, which they noted was “writing the book” on how to clean tar sands spills, and admit that the oil will likely never be completely removed from the river.

Two Years Later, Kalamazoo River Oil Pipeline Spill Is Nation's Costliest: Chicagoist

Do Republicans want this SAME kind of success everywhere? One wonders.

 

[healthmyths]

Down the Drain: 363 Million Gallons or 8,642,857 barrels! In a year!
Used engine oil can end up in waterways. An average oil change uses five quarts; one change can contaminate a million gallons of fresh water. Much oil in runoff from land and municipal and industrial wastes ends up in the oceans. 363 million gallons.
Road runoff adds up
Every year oily road runoff from a city of 5 million could contain as much oil as one large tanker spill.

Ocean Planet: Oil Pollution

YET all you ANTI-KEYSTONE idiots don't consider for ONE minute that in ONE MINUTE EVERY HOUR 24 hours a day 365.25 days a year
985 barrels of oil drip out of cars while they drive, on the drive way in the streets! Almost 1,000 barrels a minute!

Keystone pipeline is about 2,000 miles and in 24 hours ONLY 350 barrels is in ONE MILE of pipe at a time!
So even if the entire one mile was destroyed ONLY 350 barrels would spill... VS the 1,000 barrels per minute your car and millions of other cars is spilling!!!

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Don't you ever get tired of having your nuts kicked for getting your facts wrong about oil spills?

Instead of whining PROVE ME WRONG!!!

For example how could there BE MORE then 350 barrels of oil in one mile of pipeline ?
It is NOT physically possible.. simple math beyond your comprehension? 700,000 barrels a day traveling 2,000 miles ta da...equals 350 barrels!
HOW can you possibly spill MORE then 350 barrels from a one mile pipe?

ALSO again FACTS about the pipeline management are readily available from this site:
Our Pipelines - Enbridge Inc.

READ for the first time and not GUESS or believe your MSM biased reporting!
These are the facts:
1) they manage 15,000 miles of already existing pipelines.
2) They manage 2.2 million barrels a day through those pipelines.
3) In ten years they have 610 spills total oil: 132,000 barrels.. or average per spill of 210 barrels.. again about the amount in one mile of Keystone!!!

 

[healthmyths]

So tell me why would ANY pipeline management firm LIKE EMBRIDGE NOT build a pipeline with all the spill preventions and monitoring capabilities if
every barrel of oil spilled means $1.59 not earned?
See Embridge financial statement shows they grossed $505 million in 2011.
Running 803 million barrels (2.2 million per day) divided into $505 million is $1.59 per barrel...
SO WHY would they WANT to spill one barrel if they lose $1.59 in revenue PLUS all the clean up , legal, etc. expenses????
I think they have MORE incentive to minimize leaks then ANY OTHER PARTY!!!

 

[healthmyths]

Two years ago, Chicagoans were gazing nervously eastward as a massive pipeline spill dumped one million gallons of heavy Canadian bitumen, or tar sands oil, into the Kalamazoo River, which empties into Lake Michigan. Public officials openly worried that the oil plume might reach the Great Lakes

Even though this week marks the second anniversary of the Kalamazoo spill, the cleanup is not yet complete. Nonetheless, it stands as the longest and costliest pipeline cleanup in America’s history, with oil sheens still clearly visible on the waterway Wednesday. The cleanup difficulty is largely due to the heavy, sticky and stubborn nature of tar sands oil which mucked riverbanks and sensitive wetlands that have proven difficult to remove. The EPA has overseen the cleanup, which they noted was “writing the book” on how to clean tar sands spills, and admit that the oil will likely never be completely removed from the river.

Two Years Later, Kalamazoo River Oil Pipeline Spill Is Nation's Costliest: Chicagoist

Do Republicans want this SAME kind of success everywhere? One wonders.

EVERYWHERE??? Are you a f...king idiot!!!!!
YOU dummy! ONCE AGAIN you take the EXCEPTIONS and make it the RULE!
This is you idiots problems YOU take one incident and say EVERYWHERE! ALL THE TIME...
Well dumb f...k... IF EVERYWHERE and ALL THE TIME 1 million gallons spilled EVERY WHERE AND ALL THE TIME we wouldn't BE ALIVE you dumb f...k!

But just as a chicken little "sky is fallilng..sky is falling" you idiots TAKE ONE EXCEPTION and make THAT THE RULE !
AND IT ISN'T the FACTS!

Geez you people really make me feel sorry for you!
YOU must based on your above observation NEVER GO OUT. CAuse millions of people are killed every day !
HOW do you possibly EXIST if YOU STUPIDLY believe "EVERYWHERE"???????

IDIOT... WANT To see Exxon VAldez pictures???
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THIS IS WHAT HaPPENS when a 1 million barrel tanker wrecks!

 

[healthmyths]

NOT 1 million gallons! Get your FACTS straight!
Also,


www.michiganradio.org/term/kalamazoo-river-oil-spillJul 25, 2012 –
It's been two years since a busted pipeline spilled more than 800,000 gallons of oil into the Kalamazoo River. Michigan Radio's Zoe Clark sat ...
Tar Sands: When This Oil Spills, It's 'A Whole New Monster' : NPR
NPR : National Public Radio : News & Analysis, World, US, Music & Arts : NPR › News › Science › EnvironmentAug 16, 2012 – Cleanup of a 2010 spill in Michigan's Kalamazoo River took much longer and ...
More than 800,000 gallons of oil entered Talmadge Creek and ...
Oil spill update: State of emergency declared as 800,000 gallons of ...
Michigan Local News, Breaking News, Sports & Weather - MLive.com › Kalamazoo News › Breaking NewsJul 27, 2010 – Kalamazoo County officials declared a state of emergency Tuesday afternoon as more than
800000 gallons of oil released into a creek began ...
Two years after Enbridge oil spill, cracks revealed in the pipeline ...
Michigan Local News, Breaking News, Sports & Weather - MLive.com › Kalamazoo Opinion › EditorialsJul 25, 2012 – On July 25 and 26, 2010, more than 800000 gallons of heavy crude spilled into Talmadge Creek ... oil, oil spill, kalamazoo river, enbridge ... "Delegating too much authority to the regulated to assess their own system risks and ...

 

[Mr. H.]

You know those few drops of gasoline that bloop out of the spigot when you hang up the hose after a fill-up? Happens alla time. Multiply that shit by millions of fill-ups per day.

It rains, it runs off, it goes into the sewer systems. It soaks into the ground. It finds its way into streams and waterways.

This earth is polluted beyond comprehension by.... of all things, agriculture.

Herbicides, pesticides, fertilizers, emissions.

Is this in the news? Is it on rdean's radar?

Not no, but FUCK NO.

Liberals and environerds operate irrespective of perspective.

It's all about petrophobia.

 

[edthecynic]

Keystone pipeline is about 2,000 miles and in 24 hours ONLY 350 barrels is in ONE MILE of pipe at a time!
So even if the entire one mile was destroyed ONLY 350 barrels would spill... VS the 1,000 barrels per minute your car and millions of other cars is spilling!!!

How many barrels of oil were in the couple of feet of of pipe that blew on the Deepwater Horizon? The real question is not how many barrels sit passively in a certain length of pipe, but how many barrels pass through the leak point per hour.
Damn, Misinformation Voters are stupid!!!!

We have an example from the part of the Keystone Leakline that is already built.

The first Keystone tar sands pipeline spills again - providing twelve reasons not to fast-track the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline | Anthony Swift's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC

TransCanada has spun these spills as a great opportunity to show how well their leak detection system works. While it’s true that Keystone operators have had a lot of experience dealing with spills over the last year, there are some discrepancies in the company’s account of its leak detection record. After Keystone's 21,000 gallon spill in North Dakota, TransCanada claimed that the pipeline was shut down nine minutes after the leak occurred. However, the PSC investigation revealed that the leak occurred at 3:51 AM and the pipeline was not shut down until 4:35 AM – which makes for a pipeline shut down time of forty-four minutes. And that was with the help of a third party, as the investigation notes that Keystone operators were still validating the leak detection data when a local landowner called to report that a spill was visible above the treeline.

So if we take TransCanada's word for it, 500 barrels of tar sand spilled in 9 minutes.

 

[Charles_Main]

Two years ago, Chicagoans were gazing nervously eastward as a massive pipeline spill dumped one million gallons of heavy Canadian bitumen, or tar sands oil, into the Kalamazoo River, which empties into Lake Michigan. Public officials openly worried that the oil plume might reach the Great Lakes

Even though this week marks the second anniversary of the Kalamazoo spill, the cleanup is not yet complete. Nonetheless, it stands as the longest and costliest pipeline cleanup in America’s history, with oil sheens still clearly visible on the waterway Wednesday. The cleanup difficulty is largely due to the heavy, sticky and stubborn nature of tar sands oil which mucked riverbanks and sensitive wetlands that have proven difficult to remove. The EPA has overseen the cleanup, which they noted was “writing the book” on how to clean tar sands spills, and admit that the oil will likely never be completely removed from the river.

Two Years Later, Kalamazoo River Oil Pipeline Spill Is Nation's Costliest: Chicagoist

Do Republicans want this SAME kind of success everywhere? One wonders.

Oh shut the fuck up. That spill was contained in the river and never escaped into Lake MI. Why don't you go live in a fucking cave, and let the rest of us live our lives that are dependent on Fuel, In peace. You ignorant asshole.

 

[rdean]

Two years ago, Chicagoans were gazing nervously eastward as a massive pipeline spill dumped one million gallons of heavy Canadian bitumen, or tar sands oil, into the Kalamazoo River, which empties into Lake Michigan. Public officials openly worried that the oil plume might reach the Great Lakes

Even though this week marks the second anniversary of the Kalamazoo spill, the cleanup is not yet complete. Nonetheless, it stands as the longest and costliest pipeline cleanup in America’s history, with oil sheens still clearly visible on the waterway Wednesday. The cleanup difficulty is largely due to the heavy, sticky and stubborn nature of tar sands oil which mucked riverbanks and sensitive wetlands that have proven difficult to remove. The EPA has overseen the cleanup, which they noted was “writing the book” on how to clean tar sands spills, and admit that the oil will likely never be completely removed from the river.

Two Years Later, Kalamazoo River Oil Pipeline Spill Is Nation's Costliest: Chicagoist

Do Republicans want this SAME kind of success everywhere? One wonders.

EVERYWHERE??? Are you a f...king idiot!!!!!
YOU dummy! ONCE AGAIN you take the EXCEPTIONS and make it the RULE!
This is you idiots problems YOU take one incident and say EVERYWHERE! ALL THE TIME...
Well dumb f...k... IF EVERYWHERE and ALL THE TIME 1 million gallons spilled EVERY WHERE AND ALL THE TIME we wouldn't BE ALIVE you dumb f...k!

But just as a chicken little "sky is fallilng..sky is falling" you idiots TAKE ONE EXCEPTION and make THAT THE RULE !
AND IT ISN'T the FACTS!

Geez you people really make me feel sorry for you!
YOU must based on your above observation NEVER GO OUT. CAuse millions of people are killed every day !
HOW do you possibly EXIST if YOU STUPIDLY believe "EVERYWHERE"???????

IDIOT... WANT To see Exxon VAldez pictures???
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THIS IS WHAT HaPPENS when a 1 million barrel tanker wrecks!

Call me an idiot, but you just made my point.

 

[healthmyths]

I MADE THE POINT YOU and other idiots are like "Chicken Little"...oh I felt a rain drop.. the SKY IS FALLING!!!

LET me advise you.

ONE EVENT does not occur EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME you f...king idiot!

When you were a baby and you fell I guess YOU never got up?
You still a baby and your parents have to feed you ALL because ONE EVENT BECAME EVERYWHERE,ALL THE TIME???


EXAGGERATION, HYPERBOLE, blowing out of proportion seems to be people of your ilk's penchant!

AGAIN.. THE point is this is an EXCEPTION not the rule doesn't happen all the time EVERYWHERE! THE EARTH to idiot... THE EARTH is a BIG BIG place!

"Public officials openly worried that the oil plume might reach the Great Lakes"

IDIOT!!! It never reached the Great Lakes!

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Why aren't the libs going after natural oil seeps that litter the ocean floor?

 

[healthmyths]

The truth is oil is a natural part of our oceans. In the Gulf of Mexico alone, over 5,000 barrels of oil a day seeps out from vents in the earth into the ocean.
Conservative Animal: Oil Seepage is Common on the Ocean Floor: 5,000 Barrels of Oil a day Seeps on the Floor of Gulf of Mexico

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The truth is oil is a natural part of our oceans. In the Gulf of Mexico alone, over 5,000 barrels of oil a day seeps out from vents in the earth into the ocean.
Conservative Animal: Oil Seepage is Common on the Ocean Floor: 5,000 Barrels of Oil a day Seeps on the Floor of Gulf of Mexico

Yep.
And when you look at the actual amount of oil released in the BP spill it amounted to almost nothing.
Sure you want to keep spills to a minimum. But the actual damage done by oil spills is highly over stated.

 

[Dutch]

It's all about toxicity levels. Take an Olympic swimming pool. If you were to put one drop of oil in that swimming pool you might get .01 ppb ( parts per billion). Still there but safe to swim and not toxic. Think of all of the runoff as that one drop in a swimming pool that is the earths oceans and waterways. The spills are massive and locallized with great environmental impact.

 

[healthmyths]

Keystone pipeline is about 2,000 miles and in 24 hours ONLY 350 barrels is in ONE MILE of pipe at a time!
So even if the entire one mile was destroyed ONLY 350 barrels would spill... VS the 1,000 barrels per minute your car and millions of other cars is spilling!!!

How many barrels of oil were in the couple of feet of of pipe that blew on the Deepwater Horizon? The real question is not how many barrels sit passively in a certain length of pipe, but how many barrels pass through the leak point per hour.
Damn, Misinformation Voters are stupid!!!!

We have an example from the part of the Keystone Leakline that is already built.

The first Keystone tar sands pipeline spills again - providing twelve reasons not to fast-track the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline | Anthony Swift's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC

TransCanada has spun these spills as a great opportunity to show how well their leak detection system works. While it’s true that Keystone operators have had a lot of experience dealing with spills over the last year, there are some discrepancies in the company’s account of its leak detection record. After Keystone's 21,000 gallon spill in North Dakota, TransCanada claimed that the pipeline was shut down nine minutes after the leak occurred. However, the PSC investigation revealed that the leak occurred at 3:51 AM and the pipeline was not shut down until 4:35 AM – which makes for a pipeline shut down time of forty-four minutes. And that was with the help of a third party, as the investigation notes that Keystone operators were still validating the leak detection data when a local landowner called to report that a spill was visible above the treeline.

So if we take TransCanada's word for it, 500 barrels of tar sand spilled in 9 minutes.

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OK 500 barrels in 9 minutes so that means 55 barrels flowed out in 1 minute... or 3,300 in an hour.
Keystone pipeline is 2,000 miles carrying 700,000 barrels in 24 hours. That means every hour the pipeline carries 29,166 barrels or 486 barrels /minute..
OK??? SO???? but how much oil is in one mile of pipe? 700,000 barrels/2,000 miles equals 350 barrels in every one mile of pipe. OK???

So as I' was pointing out though WHY are you so concerned about 350 barrels in one mile of pipe when a 1 million barrel oil tanker carries 1 million barrels
in one mile on the open seas? WHICH would have a greater impact???


Let’s put the latest Keystone spill in perspective. Between 2002 and 2010, the U.S. pipeline system,
which includes approximately 55,000 miles of crude pipelines, had only two leaks of 21,000 gallons or more involving pump station valve failures. And the system is over forty years old on average.
What the 21,000 gallon Keystone spill tells us about the safety of tar sands diluted bitumen pipelines | Anthony Swift's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC

 

[whitehall]

As we have witnessed in the last couple of decades pipelines are a lot safer than shipping oil by tanker. Another consideration is that maybe is the U.S. becomes independent of freaking foreign oil the environment won't be at risk as much. See those con-trails that cover the sky on some days? Do you think the thousands of planes in the air just emit water vapor? They probably throw out more pollution in the atmosphere than the drops of oil seeping from cars but the limousine liberals need to get around so nobody complains.