Keystone will leak 0.011% of the 8.6M barrels of oil dripping from cars in a year

[BlindBoo]

As we have witnessed in the last couple of decades pipelines are a lot safer than shipping oil by tanker. Another consideration is that maybe is the U.S. becomes independent of freaking foreign oil the environment won't be at risk as much. See those con-trails that cover the sky on some days? Do you think the thousands of planes in the air just emit water vapor? They probably throw out more pollution in the atmosphere than the drops of oil seeping from cars but the limousine liberals need to get around so nobody complains.

Kewl, does that mean we can annex Canada and Mexico now?

 

[rdean]

Why aren't the libs going after natural oil seeps that litter the ocean floor?

Hmm, which is more in six weeks? The oil BP poured into the Gulf or the "naturally occuring" oil that seeps from the floor?

Since oil only started showing up on beaches after the BP fiasco, you know who has my vote.

 

[edthecynic]

Another consideration is that maybe is the U.S. becomes independent of freaking foreign oil the environment won't be at risk as much.

Another example of a Misinformation Voter!

The Keystone Leakline will mean LESS Canadian oil available to the US market!!!! The pipelines we have from Canada to the midwest are nowhere near capacity. The oil piped to the midwest MUST be sold in the USA. Canada wants the Keystone Leakline so it can export its oil, so oil will be diverted from the midwest pipelines to the Keystone Leakline and the price of gas will rise 15%!!! Thank you GOP. Of course, the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood will blame all who opposed the Keystone Leakline for the price increase.

 

[tjvh]

Why aren't the libs going after natural oil seeps that litter the ocean floor?

Because they cannot control them. It's not really about things like Oil with them... It's about control.

 

[tjvh]

Another consideration is that maybe is the U.S. becomes independent of freaking foreign oil the environment won't be at risk as much.

Another example of a Misinformation Voter!

The Keystone Leakline will mean LESS Canadian oil available to the US market!!!! The pipelines we have from Canada to the midwest are nowhere near capacity. The oil piped to the midwest MUST be sold in the USA. Canada wants the Keystone Leakline so it can export its oil, so oil will be diverted from the midwest pipelines to the Keystone Leakline and the price of gas will rise 15%!!! Thank you GOP. Of course, the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood will blame all who opposed the Keystone Leakline for the price increase.

Oh... What the hell... Got a link, or are you just making stuff up?

 

[yidnar]

Down the Drain: 363 Million Gallons or 8,642,857 barrels! In a year!
Used engine oil can end up in waterways. An average oil change uses five quarts; one change can contaminate a million gallons of fresh water. Much oil in runoff from land and municipal and industrial wastes ends up in the oceans. 363 million gallons.
Road runoff adds up
Every year oily road runoff from a city of 5 million could contain as much oil as one large tanker spill.

Ocean Planet: Oil Pollution

YET all you ANTI-KEYSTONE idiots don't consider for ONE minute that in ONE MINUTE EVERY HOUR 24 hours a day 365.25 days a year
985 barrels of oil drip out of cars while they drive, on the drive way in the streets! Almost 1,000 barrels a minute!

Keystone pipeline is about 2,000 miles and in 24 hours ONLY 350 barrels is in ONE MILE of pipe at a time!
So even if the entire one mile was destroyed ONLY 350 barrels would spill... VS the 1,000 barrels per minute your car and millions of other cars is spilling!!!

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the water in this country is cleaner than it has ever been.

 

[chikenwing]

"Natural Gas" yet they still bitch about that also?? How more green can you get,produced by good old mother earth.

 

[Mr. H.]

Another consideration is that maybe is the U.S. becomes independent of freaking foreign oil the environment won't be at risk as much.

Another example of a Misinformation Voter!

The Keystone Leakline will mean LESS Canadian oil available to the US market!!!! The pipelines we have from Canada to the midwest are nowhere near capacity. The oil piped to the midwest MUST be sold in the USA. Canada wants the Keystone Leakline so it can export its oil, so oil will be diverted from the midwest pipelines to the Keystone Leakline and the price of gas will rise 15%!!! Thank you GOP. Of course, the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood will blame all who opposed the Keystone Leakline for the price increase.

Since there's no further info, I'll take a guess that this came from the fact that the Keystone XL will alleviate bottlenecked domestic crude that is unnecessarily held in storage for lack of an accessable pipeline.

These bottlenecks have for years suppressed the pricing of localized crude markets anywhere from $8 to $15 per barrel. Domestic producers are getting screwed. It's about damned time to build this pipeline and stop penalizing our oil producers so you can save 2 cents on a gallon of gas.

 

[G.T.]

I seriously wish you well healthmyths. You should consider quitting following politics altogether. It seems you post the same topics over and over and over and over, and it's a little bit scary. You've beaten the keystone issue to death 1, 000 times. Did you get bored, today>?

 

[G.T.]

Keystone will leak 0.011% of the 8.6M barrels of oil dripping from cars in a year

Why would ANYONE want to risk a 1 million barrel oil spill?

Democrats solution for jobs.. cause another Exxon Valdez

OK Obama You don't Want Keystone.. you want another Exxon Valdez???

Anti-Keystone WANT another Exxon Valdez..

Which does more damage 1 million barrels or 325 barrels???

Isn't one million barrels more damaging the 300 barrels of OIL???

Obama killed pipeline in order to destroy more environment!

Fuzzy Keystone logic..

Keystone opponents:Which is worse a 1.4 million spill or 3,000 barrels

Amazing! Idiots Keystone opponents WANT 1 million barrel spills!!


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[edthecynic]

Another consideration is that maybe is the U.S. becomes independent of freaking foreign oil the environment won't be at risk as much.

Another example of a Misinformation Voter!

The Keystone Leakline will mean LESS Canadian oil available to the US market!!!! The pipelines we have from Canada to the midwest are nowhere near capacity. The oil piped to the midwest MUST be sold in the USA. Canada wants the Keystone Leakline so it can export its oil, so oil will be diverted from the midwest pipelines to the Keystone Leakline and the price of gas will rise 15%!!! Thank you GOP. Of course, the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood will blame all who opposed the Keystone Leakline for the price increase.

Oh... What the hell... Got a link, or are you just making stuff up?

I'm not a CON$ervoFascist, therefore I don't have to make stuff up like the Right does. The purpose of the Keystone Leakline is to EXPORT Canadian oil. All attempts to require the oil carried by Keystone be sold in the US have failed. This is well known by anyone even slightly informed on the subject.

Senate Fails to Adopt Measure Banning Oil Exports From Keystone - Bloomberg

The U.S. Senate failed to adopt a Democratic amendment that would have banned export of products derived from crude oil transported from Canada using the Keystone XL pipeline.

Keystone XL is a tar sands pipeline to export oil out of the United States | Anthony Swift's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC

One of the most important facts that is missing in the national debate surrounding the proposed Keystone XL tar sands pipeline is this – Keystone XL will not bring any more oil into the United State for decades to come. Canada doesn’t have nearly enough oil to fill existing pipelines going to the United States. However, existing Canadian oil pipelines all go to the Midwest, where the only buyer for their crude is the United States. Keystone XL would divert Canadian oil from refineries in the Midwest to the Gulf Coast where it can be refined and exported. Many of these refineries are in Foriegn Trade Zones where oil may be exported to international buyers without paying U.S. taxes. And that is exactly what Valero, one of the largest potential buyers of Keystone XL's oil, has told its investors it will do. The idea that Keystone XL will improve U.S. oil supply is a documented scam being played on the American people by Big Oil and its friends in Washington DC.

The fact that Canada has excess pipeline capacity is well known. In a Department of Energy report evaluating Keystone XL's impacts on U.S. energy supply over the next twenty years, the agency found that it will take decades for Canada to produce enough oil to fill existing pipelines. On page 90, the report concludes that the United States will import the same amount of crude from Canada through 2030 whether or not Keystone XL is built.

From Canada's perspective, the problem with existing pipelines is they all end in the U.S. Midwest and only allow one buyer - the United States.

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When Canadian regulators at the National Energy Board (NEB) considered the Keystone XL proposal in 2008, they asked TransCanada to justify another pipeline when there was already so much spare capacity. TransCanada conceded that Keystone XL would take oil from existing pipelines, increasing shipping costs. However, TransCanada argued that this cost would be more than offset as shifting Canadian oil from the Midwest to the Gulf would increase the price that Americans paid for Canadian oil by $3.9 billion.

In fact, TransCanada refused to support a requirement that oil on Keystone XL be used in the United States in a recent Congressional hearing. Earlier this month, Representative Edward Markey asked TransCanada's President Alex Pourbaix to support a condition that would require the oil on Keystone XL to be used in the United States. Mr. Pourbaix refused, saying that a requirement to keep oil on Keystone XL in the United States would cause refineries to back out of their contracts. That very well may be the case as Valero, one of the largest prospective purchasers of Keystone XL's crude, has already told its investors the its future business is in international export.

Simply stated, Keystone XL is a way to get Canadian oil out of the United States, not into it.

 

[edthecynic]

Another consideration is that maybe is the U.S. becomes independent of freaking foreign oil the environment won't be at risk as much.

Another example of a Misinformation Voter!

The Keystone Leakline will mean LESS Canadian oil available to the US market!!!! The pipelines we have from Canada to the midwest are nowhere near capacity. The oil piped to the midwest MUST be sold in the USA. Canada wants the Keystone Leakline so it can export its oil, so oil will be diverted from the midwest pipelines to the Keystone Leakline and the price of gas will rise 15%!!! Thank you GOP. Of course, the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood will blame all who opposed the Keystone Leakline for the price increase.

Since there's no further info, I'll take a guess that this came from the fact that the Keystone XL will alleviate bottlenecked domestic crude that is unnecessarily held in storage for lack of an accessable pipeline.

These bottlenecks have for years suppressed the pricing of localized crude markets anywhere from $8 to $15 per barrel. Domestic producers are getting screwed. It's about damned time to build this pipeline and stop penalizing our oil producers so you can save 2 cents on a gallon of gas.

BULLSHIT!

As I have already posted and linked:

The fact that Canada has excess pipeline capacity is well known. In a Department of Energy report evaluating Keystone XL's impacts on U.S. energy supply over the next twenty years, the agency found that it will take decades for Canada to produce enough oil to fill existing pipelines

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Why aren't the libs going after natural oil seeps that litter the ocean floor?

Hmm, which is more in six weeks? The oil BP poured into the Gulf or the "naturally occuring" oil that seeps from the floor?

Since oil only started showing up on beaches after the BP fiasco, you know who has my vote.

Which is more? Thats easy oil seeps.
Because I'm throwing your six week window..well out the window. Considering they've been seeping for untold thousands of years and all. And the BP one is capped.
And if you're from Chicago how in the hell would you know about oil in Florida?
I seem to remember the lame stream media desperately searching for oil covered animals and not having a lot of luck.

Adding to all this. I live on the gulf coast and have seen a few oil spills. And on top of that I do some offshore fishing and haven't seen any adverse effects on the fishery.

 

[Mr. H.]

Another example of a Misinformation Voter!

The Keystone Leakline will mean LESS Canadian oil available to the US market!!!! The pipelines we have from Canada to the midwest are nowhere near capacity. The oil piped to the midwest MUST be sold in the USA. Canada wants the Keystone Leakline so it can export its oil, so oil will be diverted from the midwest pipelines to the Keystone Leakline and the price of gas will rise 15%!!! Thank you GOP. Of course, the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood will blame all who opposed the Keystone Leakline for the price increase.

Since there's no further info, I'll take a guess that this came from the fact that the Keystone XL will alleviate bottlenecked domestic crude that is unnecessarily held in storage for lack of an accessable pipeline.

These bottlenecks have for years suppressed the pricing of localized crude markets anywhere from $8 to $15 per barrel. Domestic producers are getting screwed. It's about damned time to build this pipeline and stop penalizing our oil producers so you can save 2 cents on a gallon of gas.

BULLSHIT!

As I have already posted and linked:

The fact that Canada has excess pipeline capacity is well known. In a Department of Energy report evaluating Keystone XL's impacts on U.S. energy supply over the next twenty years, the agency found that it will take decades for Canada to produce enough oil to fill existing pipelines

Canada may have excess pipeline capacity, but we in the U.S. need connectivity to reduce the glut of storaged crude. It's not bullshit. I've been dealing with such issues for 35 years.

I hope you're cozy in your armchair.

 

[yidnar]

Down the Drain: 363 Million Gallons or 8,642,857 barrels! In a year!
Used engine oil can end up in waterways. An average oil change uses five quarts; one change can contaminate a million gallons of fresh water. Much oil in runoff from land and municipal and industrial wastes ends up in the oceans. 363 million gallons.
Road runoff adds up
Every year oily road runoff from a city of 5 million could contain as much oil as one large tanker spill.

Ocean Planet: Oil Pollution

YET all you ANTI-KEYSTONE idiots don't consider for ONE minute that in ONE MINUTE EVERY HOUR 24 hours a day 365.25 days a year
985 barrels of oil drip out of cars while they drive, on the drive way in the streets! Almost 1,000 barrels a minute!

Keystone pipeline is about 2,000 miles and in 24 hours ONLY 350 barrels is in ONE MILE of pipe at a time!
So even if the entire one mile was destroyed ONLY 350 barrels would spill... VS the 1,000 barrels per minute your car and millions of other cars is spilling!!!

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the leaders of the left do not want energy independence .

 

[Mr. H.]

OK ed, I just saw your blather above.

So what if Canadian crude is refined here and the products shipped overseas? There is a premium on diesel, heating oils, bunker fuels - the heavier grade stuff.

This is cash coming into the U.S. because of exports.

Why are we paying record prices for groceries when agriculture is exporting millions of metric tons of grains each year?

Why would agriculture get a pass, but no the oil industry?

 

[edthecynic]

OK ed, I just saw your blather above.

So what if Canadian crude is refined here and the products shipped overseas? There is a premium on diesel, heating oils, bunker fuels - the heavier grade stuff.

This is cash coming into the U.S. because of exports.

Why are we paying record prices for groceries when agriculture is exporting millions of metric tons of grains each year?

Why would agriculture get a pass, but no the oil industry?

Is it really? Oil that would be refined and sold in the US is being exported. To make up for that loss, oil will have to be imported from somewhere else at a higher price. Furthermore, Canada has admitted that shifting Canadian oil from the Midwest to the Gulf would increase the price that Americans paid for Canadian oil by $3.9 billion.

So paying more for the reduced volume of Canadian oil and paying more for the oil to replace the volume of Canadian oil exported will be cash coming into the US according to you.

 

[Mr. H.]

OK ed, I just saw your blather above.

So what if Canadian crude is refined here and the products shipped overseas? There is a premium on diesel, heating oils, bunker fuels - the heavier grade stuff.

This is cash coming into the U.S. because of exports.

Why are we paying record prices for groceries when agriculture is exporting millions of metric tons of grains each year?

Why would agriculture get a pass, but no the oil industry?

Is it really? Oil that would be refined and sold in the US is being exported. To make up for that loss, oil will have to be imported from somewhere else at a higher price. Furthermore, Canada has admitted that shifting Canadian oil from the Midwest to the Gulf would increase the price that Americans paid for Canadian oil by $3.9 billion.

So paying more for the reduced volume of Canadian oil and paying more for the oil to replace the volume of Canadian oil exported will be cash coming into the US according to you.

To make up for "that loss"? Didn't you assert that Canadian crude was simply going to pass striaight on through the stream and out the back door?

Crude imports are declining as domestic production rises, thanks to hydraulic fracturing.

Canadian heavy crudes are ideal for making the heavier products. Products that are not in high demand here, but are overseas. And overseas markets are paying a premium.

Yes, cash coming into the U.S. Isn't that novel? To an extent, it would also mean more jobs if that pipeline is built. Not only construction and maintenance, but refinery and marine jobs.

You're just a petrophobe, ed. Get over yourself already.

 

[edthecynic]

OK ed, I just saw your blather above.

So what if Canadian crude is refined here and the products shipped overseas? There is a premium on diesel, heating oils, bunker fuels - the heavier grade stuff.

This is cash coming into the U.S. because of exports.

Why are we paying record prices for groceries when agriculture is exporting millions of metric tons of grains each year?

Why would agriculture get a pass, but no the oil industry?

Is it really? Oil that would be refined and sold in the US is being exported. To make up for that loss, oil will have to be imported from somewhere else at a higher price. Furthermore, Canada has admitted that shifting Canadian oil from the Midwest to the Gulf would increase the price that Americans paid for Canadian oil by $3.9 billion.

So paying more for the reduced volume of Canadian oil and paying more for the oil to replace the volume of Canadian oil exported will be cash coming into the US according to you.

To make up for "that loss"? Didn't you assert that Canadian crude was simply going to pass striaight on through the stream and out the back door?

Crude imports are declining as domestic production rises, thanks to hydraulic fracturing.

Canadian heavy crudes are ideal for making the heavier products. Products that are not in high demand here, but are overseas. And overseas markets are paying a premium.

Yes, cash coming into the U.S. Isn't that novel? To an extent, it would also mean more jobs if that pipeline is built. Not only construction and maintenance, but refinery and marine jobs.

You're just a petrophobe, ed. Get over yourself already.

I asserted no such thing, as you well know. YOUR assertion is simply a Straw Man with which you hope to divert this thread.

Here is what I QUOTED:

One of the most important facts that is missing in the national debate surrounding the proposed Keystone XL tar sands pipeline is this – Keystone XL will not bring any more oil into the United State for decades to come. Canada doesn’t have nearly enough oil to fill existing pipelines going to the United States. However, existing Canadian oil pipelines all go to the Midwest, where the only buyer for their crude is the United States. Keystone XL would divert Canadian oil from refineries in the Midwest to the Gulf Coast where it can be refined and exported. Many of these refineries are in Foriegn Trade Zones where oil may be exported to international buyers without paying U.S. taxes. And that is exactly what Valero, one of the largest potential buyers of Keystone XL's oil, has told its investors it will do. The idea that Keystone XL will improve U.S. oil supply is a documented scam being played on the American people by Big Oil and its friends in Washington DC.

 

[Mr. H.]

Gotcha.

But you're still stoopid.