Kim Davis Officially Wins

[Militants]

Many gay of names Kim in world's land scape.

 

[pwjohn]

After being jailed and publicly ridiculed, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis finally got a law to protect her in the same-sex marriage license fight.

Republican Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed a bill Wednesday that brings “statutory finality” to the long battle over marriage licenses in the state, WLKY reports. Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis refused in 2015 to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples with her name on them, citing her religious belief in traditional marriage. She was sued and jailed for five days when a judge held her in contempt of court, but she was later released when other employees in the clerk’s office began issuing licenses.

The bill changes marriage licenses so they do not include the county clerk’s name and allow people to check whether they are a bride, groom or spouse.



Read more: Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Just Officially Won The Same-Sex Marriage License Battle

It's not over, clearly when this gets to the Supreme Court, it'll be turned over. Is anyone in doubt this will happen?

If the state tries to deny marriage to anyone of the same sex it will be struck down. The Supreme Court has spoken.

So if two women apply and they both put 'bride' on the form, if no objections are raised and they are married I think that might fly. They have to abide by the intent of the Supreme Court decision, otherwise the door is wide open for a lawsuit that the state will surely lose and cost millions.

It reads like a reasonable outcome so long as all marriage licenses look the same and nobody is forced to choose spouse over the traditional choices

 

[rightwinger]

The form has changed. Kim Davis won. The issue is closed. You may not like the messenger but the message is the same.

What did she win?

Same sex couples can now marry in her county whereas before they couldn't

Kim Davis has just been made irrelevant in the process

 

[SwimExpert]

Many gay of names Kim in world's land scape.

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[OldLady]

After being jailed and publicly ridiculed, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis finally got a law to protect her in the same-sex marriage license fight.

Republican Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed a bill Wednesday that brings “statutory finality” to the long battle over marriage licenses in the state, WLKY reports. Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis refused in 2015 to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples with her name on them, citing her religious belief in traditional marriage. She was sued and jailed for five days when a judge held her in contempt of court, but she was later released when other employees in the clerk’s office began issuing licenses.

The bill changes marriage licenses so they do not include the county clerk’s name and allow people to check whether they are a bride, groom or spouse.



Read more: Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Just Officially Won The Same-Sex Marriage License Battle

It's not over, clearly when this gets to the Supreme Court, it'll be turned over. Is anyone in doubt this will happen?

Why would this go to the Supreme Court? Serious answers only..

 

[SwimExpert]

Why would this go to the Supreme Court? Serious answers only..

 

[SuperDemocrat]

4-4

Get used to supreme court gridlock because it seems to be the only way to stop you guys on anything. Gridlock the system so communist assholes can't use it to make us do shit that is immoral.

 

[Militants]

Many gay in world's scape.

 

[g5000]

After being jailed and publicly ridiculed, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis finally got a law to protect her in the same-sex marriage license fight.

Republican Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed a bill Wednesday that brings “statutory finality” to the long battle over marriage licenses in the state, WLKY reports. Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis refused in 2015 to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples with her name on them, citing her religious belief in traditional marriage. She was sued and jailed for five days when a judge held her in contempt of court, but she was later released when other employees in the clerk’s office began issuing licenses.

The bill changes marriage licenses so they do not include the county clerk’s name and allow people to check whether they are a bride, groom or spouse.



Read more: Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Just Officially Won The Same-Sex Marriage License Battle

Wow. You really had to twist your brain into a pretzel, eh?

Kim Davis went to jail and now county clerks can no longer obstruct gays from getting married.

And this is a win for Davis...how?

 

[Silhouette]

people like Frigid Weirdo will not rest until Christians are forced to worship LGBT dogma. This law makes it so they don't have to. It's a legal shoehorn for later victories for Christians to come..

 

[Silhouette]

It's not over, clearly when this gets to the Supreme Court, it'll be turned over. Is anyone in doubt this will happen?

Yes, because Obergefell is void upon its wet signatures. And that is because of a little doctrine called "the Infant Doctrine". That doctrine says that no infant can be deprived of a necessity in their life from any contract. Children share/shared implicitly in the marriage contract because children were the reason the marriage contract was invented over a thousand years ago: to provide them with both a mother and father. That provision was maintained without interruption until Obergefell. Children were not invited to that negotiation table.

Unlike other areas of law where a new challenge would have to usurp the mistake, when it comes to children and necessities, any contract that deprives them of a necessity (Obergefell mandates children be deprived of either a mother or father for life in 100% of "gay marriage" contracts), isn't merely voidable upon challenge. It is ALREADY VOID.

And it gets worse for Obergefell, the one "law" I'm sure Frigid Weirdo is certain that will provide the leverage to overturn Kentucky's. A USSC case in 1982 called "New York vs Ferber" Found that even when an adult has a clear and indisputable constitutionally protected right, if that right results in physical or mental harm to a child, that right CANNOT BE EXERCISED in such a capacity.

Read it and weep Frigid. Obergefell is not the only law out there. And you'd better pray to God the new USSC doesn't take a closer look at the other more firm and longstanding laws that directly conflict with it when this and other challenges to your church of LGBT legal juggernaut start rolling in next year...

 

[OldLady]

Why would this go to the Supreme Court? Serious answers only..

And just what is that supposed to mean, young lady?

 

[rightwinger]

Kim Davis used to approve marriage certificates, now she doesn't

What did she win?

 

[g5000]

Kim Davis used to approve marriage certificates, now she doesn't

What did she win?

An autographed copy of the Bible with Matthew 19:9 blacked out.

 

[Skylar]

After being jailed and publicly ridiculed, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis finally got a law to protect her in the same-sex marriage license fight.

Republican Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed a bill Wednesday that brings “statutory finality” to the long battle over marriage licenses in the state, WLKY reports. Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis refused in 2015 to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples with her name on them, citing her religious belief in traditional marriage. She was sued and jailed for five days when a judge held her in contempt of court, but she was later released when other employees in the clerk’s office began issuing licenses.

The bill changes marriage licenses so they do not include the county clerk’s name and allow people to check whether they are a bride, groom or spouse.



Read more: Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Just Officially Won The Same-Sex Marriage License Battle

No she didn't. If Kim Davis had simply refused to issue marriage licenses because of religious objections, she wouldn't have been jailed. Its when she refused to allow any of her clerks to issue them that she ran into trouble.

And the Kentucky law doesn't allow for such orders. With Kim Davis' office issuing marriage licenses for same sex couples.

 

[mdk]

And it gets worse for Obergefell, the one "law" I'm sure Frigid Weirdo is certain that will provide the leverage to overturn Kentucky's. A USSC case in 1982 called "New York vs Ferber" Found that even when an adult has a clear and indisputable constitutionally protected right, if that right results in physical or mental harm to a child, that right CANNOT BE EXERCISED in such a capacity.

Exactly. That is why Ferber made divorce and single parents illegal in this nations. lol. I love watching you tie yourself in moronic legal knots just so you can feed your bizarre anti-gay obsession.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

After being jailed and publicly ridiculed, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis finally got a law to protect her in the same-sex marriage license fight.

Republican Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed a bill Wednesday that brings “statutory finality” to the long battle over marriage licenses in the state, WLKY reports. Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis refused in 2015 to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples with her name on them, citing her religious belief in traditional marriage. She was sued and jailed for five days when a judge held her in contempt of court, but she was later released when other employees in the clerk’s office began issuing licenses.

The bill changes marriage licenses so they do not include the county clerk’s name and allow people to check whether they are a bride, groom or spouse.



Read more: Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Just Officially Won The Same-Sex Marriage License Battle

It's not over, clearly when this gets to the Supreme Court, it'll be turned over. Is anyone in doubt this will happen?

If the state tries to deny marriage to anyone of the same sex it will be struck down. The Supreme Court has spoken.

So if two women apply and they both put 'bride' on the form, if no objections are raised and they are married I think that might fly. They have to abide by the intent of the Supreme Court decision, otherwise the door is wide open for a lawsuit that the state will surely lose and cost millions.

SC decisions have been overturned. The states have the final say if they choose.

 

[Skylar]

It's not over, clearly when this gets to the Supreme Court, it'll be turned over. Is anyone in doubt this will happen?

Yes, because Obergefell is void upon its wet signatures.

Except that it wasn't. But other than you being completely and laughably wrong, sure.

And that is because of a little doctrine called "the Infant Doctrine". That doctrine says that no infant can be deprived of a necessity in their life from any contract. Children share/shared implicitly in the marriage contract because children were the reason the marriage contract was invented over a thousand years ago: to provide them with both a mother and father. That provision was maintained without interruption until Obergefell. Children were not invited to that negotiation table.

Its called the 'Infancy Doctrine'. And it governs explicit contracts, like a child actor and a movie studio. Or a minor trying to get a mortgage. If a contract is disadvantageous to a child they can exit it. That's the Infancy Doctrine.

It has nothing to do with marriage. As no law nor court recognizes a child as a party to the marriage of their parents. And if they did, the only thing the Infancy Doctrine could do is allow a child to exit the marriage.

Remember, you don't have the slightest clue how the actual law works. It tends to hamper your legal arguments.

Unlike other areas of law where a new challenge would have to usurp the mistake, when it comes to children and necessities, any contract that deprives them of a necessity (Obergefell mandates children be deprived of either a mother or father for life in 100% of "gay marriage" contracts), isn't merely voidable upon challenge. It is ALREADY VOID.

Nope. Obergefell is fully enforcible as none of your pseudo-legal gibberish has any relevance to the actual law.

And it gets worse for Obergefell, the one "law" I'm sure Frigid Weirdo is certain that will provide the leverage to overturn Kentucky's. A USSC case in 1982 called "New York vs Ferber" Found that even when an adult has a clear and indisputable constitutionally protected right, if that right results in physical or mental harm to a child, that right CANNOT BE EXERCISED in such a capacity.

Three problems with your 'legal analysis'. First, Ferber never so much as mentions marriage nor finds that same sex marriage hurts any child. Making it irrelevant to any kiind of marriage.

Second, Obergefell v. Hodges found that same sex marriage helps children. And denying same sex marriage hurts children. Thus, by your interpretation of Ferber, the Obergefell court were obligated to authorize same sex marriage.

Third, the Obergefell court found that the right to marry isn't conditioned on children or the ability to have them. Killing your entire line of reasoning.

See how that works?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

people like Frigid Weirdo will not rest until Christians are forced to worship LGBT dogma. This law makes it so they don't have to. It's a legal shoehorn for later victories for Christians to come..

No one wants to ‘force’ Christians to do anything; Christians are at liberty to practice the bigotry and hate you and most others on the right exhibit.

The 14th Amendment jurisprudence of which Obergefell is the progeny applies solely to government, not private organizations and persons.

Davis may hate gay Americans to her heart’s content, attend churches that refuse to marry same-sex couples, and express her bigotry with impunity.

But as an officer of the county and state she is compelled by Article VI of the Constitution to obey the rulings of Federal courts, including the Supreme Court, and execute her official duties accordingly, setting aside her subjective, personal animus toward gay Americans, where doing so in no way ‘violates’ her religious liberty, nor ‘forces’ her to do anything in conflict with her religion’s wrongheaded dogma.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

After being jailed and publicly ridiculed, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis finally got a law to protect her in the same-sex marriage license fight.

Republican Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed a bill Wednesday that brings “statutory finality” to the long battle over marriage licenses in the state, WLKY reports. Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis refused in 2015 to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples with her name on them, citing her religious belief in traditional marriage. She was sued and jailed for five days when a judge held her in contempt of court, but she was later released when other employees in the clerk’s office began issuing licenses.

The bill changes marriage licenses so they do not include the county clerk’s name and allow people to check whether they are a bride, groom or spouse.



Read more: Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Just Officially Won The Same-Sex Marriage License Battle

It's not over, clearly when this gets to the Supreme Court, it'll be turned over. Is anyone in doubt this will happen?

If the state tries to deny marriage to anyone of the same sex it will be struck down. The Supreme Court has spoken.

So if two women apply and they both put 'bride' on the form, if no objections are raised and they are married I think that might fly. They have to abide by the intent of the Supreme Court decision, otherwise the door is wide open for a lawsuit that the state will surely lose and cost millions.

SC decisions have been overturned. The states have the final say if they choose.

No, the states do not.

Again, the Constitution, its case law, the rule of law, and decisions of the Supreme Court are binding on the states, they may not ‘choose’ whether or not to obey decisions by the Supreme Court.

And the issue isn’t that Supreme Court decisions might be overturned, the issue is the bigotry and hate that manifest in anyone who would seek to see Obergefell and its supporting case law overturned at all.

Americans are first and foremost citizens of the United States, residents of their respective states subordinate to that, where the rights of Americans are not subject to ‘majority rule,’ and Americans do not ‘forfeit’ their protected liberties merely as a consequence of their state of residence.