Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[rightwinger]

Why do conservatives struggle so much with math?

Rate of fire reflects how quickly rounds can leave a barrel
You can drive 60 mph without actually driving 60 miles

Why do conservatives struggle so much with math?

why do you have so many problems with reality.

in order to have a 600 round of fire rate, you have to be able to put 600 rounds thru the gun.

If you had one of these...

it would be possible.

but they don't make magazines that hold 600 rounds, to my knowledge

That's just dumb, dude.

How so?

as I pointed out earlier, if I put my 15 rd magazine, and continuously pull the trigger as fast as possible, what is my rate of fire?

y'all are claiming a 600 rd rate of fire.

what are you using to supply those 600 rds?

Magazine?

100 rd magazine would have to be changed 6 times to be able to achieve that rate.

Now you are getting the point...
We need to ban BOTH high capacity magazines and kits that modify assault rifles for high rates of fire

If I have a bump stock firing at 600 rpm and I have a 10 round magazine....I fire a one second burst
If I have a 100 round magazine.....I fire a ten second burst

Much more lethality in that ten second burst

If I have a 100 round magazine.....I fire a ten second burst

if you fire a firearm, unless modified to be air or water cooled, that fast, you wont' be able to hold onto it due to the heat of the barrel.

Good thing our shooter had 12 rifles isn't it?

Makes it easier to massacre the innocent

 

[Faun]

It’s not bogus, you’re moron. She won by 3 million votes. Doesn’t matter where the people live, it’s the number of votes she got.

It must matter some, Faun, right? Or we'd be saying "President Hillary."

But we aren't saying that. The big plurality in California was run up by illegals and doesn't matter, fortunately. We need to clean up this illegal voting in all states, however, or soon it will matter.

No, it doesn’t matter in terms of the popular vote. And if you think there were large numbers of illegals voting ... prove it, don’t just say it. Hopefully, you’ll do better than delusional dale who made that ridiculous claim based on unscientific online polling.

 

[rightwinger]

But, but.....cars, trucks, planes!
None of which is a gun.

Stupid argument and apparently the only one you have.

So what?

They are all merely tools that people use.
A gun is a tool
A car is a tool
A hammer is a tool
A plane is a tool

Some more complex than others but they are all just things people use.

Again? Really?
None of those tools were used by Paddock.

So what?

If you can't understand the meaning of a post just say so

I understand the meaning just fine. It's just irrelevant.

Obviously you don't because you can't understand that a gun is nothing but a tool.

Doesn't mean you get to select any tool you like when you are planning to massacre a large group of people

 

[Skull Pilot]

Less than 1% of all murders are committed during a mass shooting
Hardly any social order disruption at all.

Meanwhile the other 99% of murders and violent crime committed with guns is ignored as our current gun laws are not enforced and we refuse to actually address the cause of the violence.

If rifles disrupt the so called social order of things then what about fists and feet? After all more people are killed by other people using their hands and feet every year than by all rifles combined.

What about knives? If rifles disrupt the so called social order knives surely must as well because more people are killed with knives every year than by either fists and feet or all rifles combined

We can justify someone owning a handgun for personal protection. We can justify someone owning a hunting rifle with a scope or a target rifle

We cannot justify someone owning an assault rifle modified to shoot 600 rounds per minute

Which is why there are such rigid restrictions on automatic weapons.

There are none for cheap mods that emulate the illegal weapon.

SO?

You do know that with a little practice you can learn to bump fire a rifle and not have to use one of those doodads don't you?

So?

Full auto is illegal for a reason. A device that allows for a rate of fire that is similar should be as well. It certainly violates the intent of of the law banning full auto.

It's not illegal. it is highly restricted.

And what if you don't need a device to bump fire a semiauto rifle?

You don't need one you know.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So what?

They are all merely tools that people use.
A gun is a tool
A car is a tool
A hammer is a tool
A plane is a tool

Some more complex than others but they are all just things people use.

Again? Really?
None of those tools were used by Paddock.

So what?

If you can't understand the meaning of a post just say so

I understand the meaning just fine. It's just irrelevant.

Obviously you don't because you can't understand that a gun is nothing but a tool.

You are a tool

Pot kettle.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Less than 1% of all murders are committed during a mass shooting
Hardly any social order disruption at all.

Meanwhile the other 99% of murders and violent crime committed with guns is ignored as our current gun laws are not enforced and we refuse to actually address the cause of the violence.

If rifles disrupt the so called social order of things then what about fists and feet? After all more people are killed by other people using their hands and feet every year than by all rifles combined.

What about knives? If rifles disrupt the so called social order knives surely must as well because more people are killed with knives every year than by either fists and feet or all rifles combined

We can justify someone owning a handgun for personal protection. We can justify someone owning a hunting rifle with a scope or a target rifle

We cannot justify someone owning an assault rifle modified to shoot 600 rounds per minute

Which is why there are such rigid restrictions on automatic weapons.

There are none for cheap mods that emulate the illegal weapon.

SO?

You do know that with a little practice you can learn to bump fire a rifle and not have to use one of those doodads don't you?

So?

Full auto is illegal for a reason. A device that allows for a rate of fire that is similar should be as well. It certainly violates the intent of of the law banning full auto.

Full auto is not illegal. If you have no criminal record and some money, you too can get a class 3 license.

 

[Auld Phart]

So what?

They are all merely tools that people use.
A gun is a tool
A car is a tool
A hammer is a tool
A plane is a tool

Some more complex than others but they are all just things people use.

Again? Really?
None of those tools were used by Paddock.

So what?

If you can't understand the meaning of a post just say so

I understand the meaning just fine. It's just irrelevant.

Obviously you don't because you can't understand that a gun is nothing but a tool.

You are a tool

says the screwdriver to the saw...

 

[Auld Phart]

why do you have so many problems with reality.

in order to have a 600 round of fire rate, you have to be able to put 600 rounds thru the gun.

If you had one of these...

it would be possible.

but they don't make magazines that hold 600 rounds, to my knowledge

That's just dumb, dude.

How so?

as I pointed out earlier, if I put my 15 rd magazine, and continuously pull the trigger as fast as possible, what is my rate of fire?

y'all are claiming a 600 rd rate of fire.

what are you using to supply those 600 rds?

Magazine?

100 rd magazine would have to be changed 6 times to be able to achieve that rate.

Now you are getting the point...
We need to ban BOTH high capacity magazines and kits that modify assault rifles for high rates of fire

If I have a bump stock firing at 600 rpm and I have a 10 round magazine....I fire a one second burst
If I have a 100 round magazine.....I fire a ten second burst

Much more lethality in that ten second burst

If I have a 100 round magazine.....I fire a ten second burst

if you fire a firearm, unless modified to be air or water cooled, that fast, you wont' be able to hold onto it due to the heat of the barrel.

Good thing our shooter had 12 rifles isn't it?

Makes it easier to massacre the innocent

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The Oklahoma City bomber modified a vehicle to kills many more than the Vegas ass.

Yet we see no calls to eliminate trucks?

Interesting.

wow. deep.

Wow, idiot.

be proud of your deep thought. no one ever has presented your line of "reasoning".

Make a case for it.
There is no need for a bump stock. It's either a dangerous toy or a murder weapon. Either way it doesn't need to exist.

I don't have to. Just like you don't have to make a case for cars being able to go 120 MPH.
It's nothing I have ever used but IDGAF if other people do.
FYI did you know that with a little practice you can bump fire a rifle without that little doodad?

But, but.....cars, trucks, planes!
None of which is a gun.

Stupid argument and apparently the only one you have.

So what?

They are all merely tools that people use.
A gun is a tool
A car is a tool
A hammer is a tool
A plane is a tool

Some more complex than others but they are all just things people use.

Again? Really?
None of those tools were used by Paddock.

There is no equivalent. All of those tools are made for other purposes. The kind of weaponry Paddock used is designed for one purpose. To kill. He did that and did it very effectively and efficiently.

They are tools no less their purpose can be for sporting or self preservation. They are regulated to a far greater extent than the other tools and the other tools are easy to modify to inflict mass casualties.

Your argument? They aren't guns?

You realize that shooting events are part of the Olympic Games? Right? Are the medal winners shooting for the purpose of inflicting death?

None of that rambling has a damn thing to do with this case.

Really? And neither is any discussion on controlling the amount or type of weaponry law abiding citizens may own.

But you forgot that right? When your argument fails, point elsewhere!


SQUIRREL!

Paddock was a law abiding citizen as well.

That's just dumb, dude.

How so?

as I pointed out earlier, if I put my 15 rd magazine, and continuously pull the trigger as fast as possible, what is my rate of fire?

y'all are claiming a 600 rd rate of fire.

what are you using to supply those 600 rds?

Magazine?

100 rd magazine would have to be changed 6 times to be able to achieve that rate.

Dang, dude.
No. The amount of rounds fired is irrelevant. It's the rate that they are fired.

Let's say I install a bump stock and want to measure the new rate of fire. I load a thirty round magazine and it takes four seconds to empty it.

4×15=60 that is the time.
30×15=450 that is the rate per minute from only thirty rounds.

The heat of the barrel has a bit to do with it though.

That's no doubt why Paddock had several lined up and ready to go so they wouldn't overheat.

All these posts and you claim to own 5 guns, but can't say what they are within a couple minutes? I call you a liar. You own zero guns, guy.

LIES!

I own a Mauser, a .303, .06, .22, and 9mm.

Why you can't say? Because you don't own any guns. You were lying to establish credibility.

I never said I owned 5 of anything and I was not even online when you posted that, dope.

It's none of your fucking business what I own.

 

[Marion Morrison]

We can justify someone owning a handgun for personal protection. We can justify someone owning a hunting rifle with a scope or a target rifle

We cannot justify someone owning an assault rifle modified to shoot 600 rounds per minute

Which is why there are such rigid restrictions on automatic weapons.

There are none for cheap mods that emulate the illegal weapon.

SO?

You do know that with a little practice you can learn to bump fire a rifle and not have to use one of those doodads don't you?

So?

Full auto is illegal for a reason. A device that allows for a rate of fire that is similar should be as well. It certainly violates the intent of of the law banning full auto.

It's not illegal. it is highly restricted.

And what if you don't need a device to bump fire a semiauto rifle?

You don't need one you know.

Shhh, then he wants to ban the class 3 rifle.

Shiet, I can fire my Mauser just about as fast as Chuck Conners can with his lever-action.

Doesn't mean I think semi-auto should be outlawed.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

There is no equivalent. All of those tools are made for other purposes. The kind of weaponry Paddock used is designed for one purpose. To kill. He did that and did it very effectively and efficiently.

They are tools no less their purpose can be for sporting or self preservation. They are regulated to a far greater extent than the other tools and the other tools are easy to modify to inflict mass casualties.

Your argument? They aren't guns?

You realize that shooting events are part of the Olympic Games? Right? Are the medal winners shooting for the purpose of inflicting death?

None of that rambling has a damn thing to do with this case.

Really? And neither is any discussion on controlling the amount or type of weaponry law abiding citizens may own.

But you forgot that right? When your argument fails, point elsewhere!


SQUIRREL!

Paddock was a law abiding citizen as well.

No the minute he shot someone for no reason he was a criminal.

That's the point, dope.

 

[L.K.Eder]

The Oklahoma City bomber modified a vehicle to kills many more than the Vegas ass.

Yet we see no calls to eliminate trucks?

Interesting.

wow. deep.

Wow, idiot.

be proud of your deep thought. no one ever has presented your line of "reasoning".

I don't have to. Just like you don't have to make a case for cars being able to go 120 MPH.
It's nothing I have ever used but IDGAF if other people do.
FYI did you know that with a little practice you can bump fire a rifle without that little doodad?

But, but.....cars, trucks, planes!
None of which is a gun.

Stupid argument and apparently the only one you have.

So what?

They are all merely tools that people use.
A gun is a tool
A car is a tool
A hammer is a tool
A plane is a tool

Some more complex than others but they are all just things people use.

Again? Really?
None of those tools were used by Paddock.

They are tools no less their purpose can be for sporting or self preservation. They are regulated to a far greater extent than the other tools and the other tools are easy to modify to inflict mass casualties.

Your argument? They aren't guns?

You realize that shooting events are part of the Olympic Games? Right? Are the medal winners shooting for the purpose of inflicting death?

None of that rambling has a damn thing to do with this case.

Really? And neither is any discussion on controlling the amount or type of weaponry law abiding citizens may own.

But you forgot that right? When your argument fails, point elsewhere!


SQUIRREL!

Paddock was a law abiding citizen as well.

How so?

as I pointed out earlier, if I put my 15 rd magazine, and continuously pull the trigger as fast as possible, what is my rate of fire?

y'all are claiming a 600 rd rate of fire.

what are you using to supply those 600 rds?

Magazine?

100 rd magazine would have to be changed 6 times to be able to achieve that rate.

Dang, dude.
No. The amount of rounds fired is irrelevant. It's the rate that they are fired.

Let's say I install a bump stock and want to measure the new rate of fire. I load a thirty round magazine and it takes four seconds to empty it.

4×15=60 that is the time.
30×15=450 that is the rate per minute from only thirty rounds.

The heat of the barrel has a bit to do with it though.

That's no doubt why Paddock had several lined up and ready to go so they wouldn't overheat.

All these posts and you claim to own 5 guns, but can't say what they are within a couple minutes? I call you a liar. You own zero guns, guy.

LIES!

I own a Mauser, a .303, .06, .22, and 9mm.

Why you can't say? Because you don't own any guns. You were lying to establish credibility.

I never said I owned 5 of anything and I was not even online when you posted that, dope.

It's none of your fucking business what I own.

but he demanded an answer!!!!!

 

[Skull Pilot]

They are tools no less their purpose can be for sporting or self preservation. They are regulated to a far greater extent than the other tools and the other tools are easy to modify to inflict mass casualties.

Your argument? They aren't guns?

You realize that shooting events are part of the Olympic Games? Right? Are the medal winners shooting for the purpose of inflicting death?

None of that rambling has a damn thing to do with this case.

Really? And neither is any discussion on controlling the amount or type of weaponry law abiding citizens may own.

But you forgot that right? When your argument fails, point elsewhere!


SQUIRREL!

Paddock was a law abiding citizen as well.

No the minute he shot someone for no reason he was a criminal.

That's the point, dope.

No the point is you trying to use that same old flawed argument that every gun owner is some sort of mass murderer in waiting and it's only a matter of time until he goes off the rails and kills a bunch of people.

 

[Marion Morrison]

And? That means what exactly?

The gun shops say that he was a fine man when they sold weapons to him

They said the same about me last time I bought a firearm.

Does that mean I'm going to turn into a mass murderer?

That is yet to be determined. They're all good guys with a gun until they arent.

agreed.

how do we separate the bad ones, and not abuse the good ones?

Firstly, you need to get off this "abuse" mentality. Are you really that upset if mods like bump stock and high cap mags go away?

Secondly, gun owners are going to have to be part of the solution. The status quo is untenable. At some point the safety of your fellow citizens has to be more important than your toys.


I own several myself. All normal stuff. Nothing exotic. I just like to shoot. I have never cared for the nutty lifestyle people build around guns. For a lot of people its gone well beyond a simple hobby and morphed into a whole nutty philosophy that is almost a religion.

The Oklahoma City bomber modified a vehicle to kills many more than the Vegas ass.

Yet we see no calls to eliminate trucks?

Interesting.

wow. deep.

Wow, idiot.

be proud of your deep thought. no one ever has presented your line of "reasoning".

I don't have to. Just like you don't have to make a case for cars being able to go 120 MPH.
It's nothing I have ever used but IDGAF if other people do.
FYI did you know that with a little practice you can bump fire a rifle without that little doodad?

But, but.....cars, trucks, planes!
None of which is a gun.

Stupid argument and apparently the only one you have.

So what?

They are all merely tools that people use.
A gun is a tool
A car is a tool
A hammer is a tool
A plane is a tool

Some more complex than others but they are all just things people use.

Again? Really?
None of those tools were used by Paddock.

They are tools no less their purpose can be for sporting or self preservation. They are regulated to a far greater extent than the other tools and the other tools are easy to modify to inflict mass casualties.

Your argument? They aren't guns?

You realize that shooting events are part of the Olympic Games? Right? Are the medal winners shooting for the purpose of inflicting death?

None of that rambling has a damn thing to do with this case.

Really? And neither is any discussion on controlling the amount or type of weaponry law abiding citizens may own.

But you forgot that right? When your argument fails, point elsewhere!


SQUIRREL!

Paddock was a law abiding citizen as well.

How so?

as I pointed out earlier, if I put my 15 rd magazine, and continuously pull the trigger as fast as possible, what is my rate of fire?

y'all are claiming a 600 rd rate of fire.

what are you using to supply those 600 rds?

Magazine?

100 rd magazine would have to be changed 6 times to be able to achieve that rate.

Dang, dude.
No. The amount of rounds fired is irrelevant. It's the rate that they are fired.

Let's say I install a bump stock and want to measure the new rate of fire. I load a thirty round magazine and it takes four seconds to empty it.

4×15=60 that is the time.
30×15=450 that is the rate per minute from only thirty rounds.

The heat of the barrel has a bit to do with it though.

That's no doubt why Paddock had several lined up and ready to go so they wouldn't overheat.

All these posts and you claim to own 5 guns, but can't say what they are within a couple minutes? I call you a liar. You own zero guns, guy.

LIES!

I own a Mauser, a .303, .06, .22, and 9mm.

Why you can't say? Because you don't own any guns. You were lying to establish credibility.

I never said I owned 5 of anything and I was not even online when you posted that, dope.

It's none of your fucking business what I own.

"I own several myself. All normal stuff. Nothing exotic. I just like to shoot. I have never cared for the nutty lifestyle people build around guns. For a lot of people its gone well beyond a simple hobby and morphed into a whole nutty philosophy that is almost a religion."

You don't own any guns. You lied to establish credibility. So far, it's looking pretty bad for you right now.

Name them, if you own them. Right now. Within 2 minutes, or you googled some dream guns.

 

[Marion Morrison]

The gun shops say that he was a fine man when they sold weapons to him

They said the same about me last time I bought a firearm.

Does that mean I'm going to turn into a mass murderer?

That is yet to be determined. They're all good guys with a gun until they arent.

agreed.

how do we separate the bad ones, and not abuse the good ones?

Firstly, you need to get off this "abuse" mentality. Are you really that upset if mods like bump stock and high cap mags go away?

Secondly, gun owners are going to have to be part of the solution. The status quo is untenable. At some point the safety of your fellow citizens has to be more important than your toys.


I own several myself. All normal stuff. Nothing exotic. I just like to shoot. I have never cared for the nutty lifestyle people build around guns. For a lot of people its gone well beyond a simple hobby and morphed into a whole nutty philosophy that is almost a religion.

wow. deep.

Wow, idiot.

be proud of your deep thought. no one ever has presented your line of "reasoning".

But, but.....cars, trucks, planes!
None of which is a gun.

Stupid argument and apparently the only one you have.

So what?

They are all merely tools that people use.
A gun is a tool
A car is a tool
A hammer is a tool
A plane is a tool

Some more complex than others but they are all just things people use.

Again? Really?
None of those tools were used by Paddock.

None of that rambling has a damn thing to do with this case.

Really? And neither is any discussion on controlling the amount or type of weaponry law abiding citizens may own.

But you forgot that right? When your argument fails, point elsewhere!


SQUIRREL!

Paddock was a law abiding citizen as well.

Dang, dude.
No. The amount of rounds fired is irrelevant. It's the rate that they are fired.

Let's say I install a bump stock and want to measure the new rate of fire. I load a thirty round magazine and it takes four seconds to empty it.

4×15=60 that is the time.
30×15=450 that is the rate per minute from only thirty rounds.

The heat of the barrel has a bit to do with it though.

That's no doubt why Paddock had several lined up and ready to go so they wouldn't overheat.

All these posts and you claim to own 5 guns, but can't say what they are within a couple minutes? I call you a liar. You own zero guns, guy.

LIES!

I own a Mauser, a .303, .06, .22, and 9mm.

Why you can't say? Because you don't own any guns. You were lying to establish credibility.

I never said I owned 5 of anything and I was not even online when you posted that, dope.

It's none of your fucking business what I own.

"I own several myself. All normal stuff. Nothing exotic. I just like to shoot. I have never cared for the nutty lifestyle people build around guns. For a lot of people its gone well beyond a simple hobby and morphed into a whole nutty philosophy that is almost a religion."

You don't own any guns. You lied to establish credibility. So far, it's looking pretty bad for you right now.

Name them, if you own them. Right now. Within 2 minutes, or you googled some dream guns.

7 minutes later and you can't name the guns you own off the top of your head?

You're full of shit, Hutch Starskey. You're a liar. It's a known typical leftist shill tactic to lie to establish credibility.

You were all kinds of posting it up before I called you on that. 'sup?

14 minutes ago

 

[Marion Morrison]

And hours later, no response. Hmm.

Prior, the guy's chatting it up to the max. Gets called on bullshit=crickets.

According to me, his credibility is shot.

 

[Dalia]

..... but there were multiple shooters and this has been confirmed by the Las Vegas police scanner audio.

That taxi driver with the long, long recording of shots going on for a long time was informative. No question but that shots sounded louder and softer, and she herself said they were coming from different areas, and then said it sounded like the tenth or so floor of the Mandalay. Lots of people said that, including a police officer calling it in first: middle of the Mandalay (32nd floor is way up). My husband sent me a video showing flashes coming from the 11th floor; maybe it was a hoax, but I'd like to see more on all that.

Hello, it is Strobe lights no other shooter

 

[MarkDuffy]

Ok, you gun pros, time to do your stuff.

Looking at the broken windows, it looks like they were broken out at the bottoms, the left one a bit higher. I don't see furnature and I doubt the cops would move stuff. This tells me prone or sitting which means getting up and down all the time. Only two weapons had gun rests on them. If he used furnature for support, I can see it happening.

The guy was old and the death shots don't appear to make him look strong.

I don't know how a bump stock really works, but the few videos I have seen are in the standing position which doesn't really fit with the broken windows. That would make it required he was strong if standing?

Can you explain how he fired so many shots?

 

[Marion Morrison]

..... but there were multiple shooters and this has been confirmed by the Las Vegas police scanner audio.

That taxi driver with the long, long recording of shots going on for a long time was informative. No question but that shots sounded louder and softer, and she herself said they were coming from different areas, and then said it sounded like the tenth or so floor of the Mandalay. Lots of people said that, including a police officer calling it in first: middle of the Mandalay (32nd floor is way up). My husband sent me a video showing flashes coming from the 11th floor; maybe it was a hoax, but I'd like to see more on all that.

Hello, it is Strobe lights no other shooter

Proof? That damn sure looks like muzzle flashes and not strobes to me.

Muzzle flashes go out in a 5-6 point star pattern. That's what it looks like to me.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Ok, you gun pros, time to do your stuff.

Looking at the broken windows, it looks like they were broken out at the bottoms, the left one a bit higher. I don't see furnature and I doubt the cops would move stuff. This tells me prone or sitting which means getting up and down all the time. Only two weapons had gun rests on them. If he used furnature for support, I can see it happening.

The guy was old and the death shots don't appear to make him look strong.

I don't know how a bump stock really works, but the few videos I have seen are in the standing position which doesn't really fit with the broken windows. That would make it required he was strong if standing?

Can you explain how he fired so many shots?

Yes! There were 2-3 other people, and he was a patsy. 64-year old out-of-shape man lays down almost constant fire for 72 minutes? Running in between 2 windows? Pfft.. I ain't the one to believe that there. I call bullshit.

This whole thing is too convenient, if one was a gun-grabber. Congress will be taking recess, though.