Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[westwall]

in what state is it legal for a private seller to sell to felons?

How could they know without a background check?

It doesn't matter if they know or not. it is ILLEGAL to sell guns to people who are not eligible to buy them which puts the responsibility of knowing who the gun is sold to on the seller.

So if you want to stay within the law on private sales you broker them through an FFL dealer

So you're in favor of making that mandatory then? There is no other way for LE to know a transaction even occurred otherwise.

I really don't car as I don't sell my firearms.
IMO anyone who sell a gun to someone they do not know and doesn't broker the deal through an FFL dealer is a fucking idiot.

The thing is private transfers are a minuscule part of the gun trade and most are gifts and inheritances.

The average piece of shit thug on the street doesn't buy his guns from a guy he doesn't know. Usually he gets a family member or friend to make a straw purchase or he gets them from a different piece of shit he already knows

That's the point. Without requiring a check, anyone can buy anything and resell to anyone without any record of a transaction. Even if I sell a gun to a guy and go through a dealer, there's no control over who he could then sell it to. Universal checks should not be a problem for those who are honest. I would bet that quite a few of those opposed make some nice cash buying and selling.

How many background checks did the Paris shooters undergo?

 

[MarkDuffy]

If guns are needed for self protection, then from whom was Stephen Paddock protecting himself.? Was he in danger from innocent concert goers?

Guns are fun. They are used as a hobby. Others use them to put food on the table, and some like me, have used them in self defense

-Geaux

You didn't answer my question? Who was threatening Stephen Paddock? If guns are for self defense, who was he defending himself from?

He had obviously noted a Muslim at the concert and was trying to protect America from terrorism

 

[bodecea]

then we shouldn't let people buy guns that can be easily modified to full auto. Or that were originally designed as battlefield weapons.

This seems pretty simple, except for the nutters who are compensating for their 'shortcomings'.

It's not as easy as you think to modify a gun for full auto.

If it was there'd be a shit ton more of them floating around

A modern semi auto with high capacity mags is a mass killer.

I've never seen a rifle semi or not chase anyone down the street and kill anybody… Have you?

People with rifles kill innocent American people.

Did you know that more people are killed by fists and feet than by all types of rifles combines, even the scary black ones?

More people are killed with knives than by all rifles combined

More people are killed with hammers and other blunt objects than by all rifles combined

Didn't know that did ya?

Exactly why we shouldn't care about this event.

 

[koshergrl]

If guns are needed for self protection, then from whom was Stephen Paddock protecting himself.? Was he in danger from innocent concert goers?

Guns are fun. They are used as a hobby. Others use them to put food on the table, and some like me, have used them in self defense

-Geaux

You didn't answer my question? Who was threatening Stephen Paddock? If guns are for self defense, who was he defending himself from?

He had obviously noted a Muslim at the concert and was trying to protect America from terrorism

No, he was targeting Christians and Trump supporters.

 

[Flash]

[Q

Follow the money!

You mean like the foreign countries where the money flowed into Crooked Hillary's money laundering foundation or the massive contributions by the Wall Street banks and environmental wackos? Is that money we need to follow?

Most of the money the NRA collects comes from individual membership and fees for training.

Besides it is a good thing if the NRA supports firearms manufacturing in the US. Only a stupid anti gun nut Moon Bat would find fault with that.

Don't kid yourself and quit trying to kid members of USMessageBoard:
"The NRA’s so-called “corporate partners” in the gun industry are the nation’s top-selling manufacturers of firearms and accessories. One of the companies that has donated a million dollars or more to the NRA is Remington Outdoor Company (formerly Freedom Group), manufacturer of the Bushmaster assault rifle used at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. Other top donors to the NRA include gunmakers Smith & Wesson, Beretta USA, Springfield Armory, and Sturm, Ruger & Co; as well as accessories vendors MidwayUSA and Brownells."
http://www.vpc.org/studies/bloodmoney2.pdf

Of course they have corporate sponsors. Nothing wrong with that. In fact that is a good thing. However, their strength comes from the 6+ million members. I am glad to give them money to help protect the basic Constitutional rights that you asshole Moon Bats would like to take away.

I know you Moon Bats hate corporations (unless they contribute to Democrats) but the NRA is a grassroots Constitutional Rights lobbing organization. God bless them.

You hateful uneducated Moon Bats can try to make them out to be villains all you want but they protect our Constitutional Rights and if you had a brain you should get down on your knees and thank god for that. They are also the world's largest gun safety organization and that is a very good thing.

 

[velvtacheeze]

One thing I hope we all can agree on

Mandalay Bay gots some splainin to do, Lucy

How in the hell such a huge arsenal got to the top floor?

I've never had to go through a metal detector to check into any hotel in the U.S. It's not the hotel's fault, although I'm sure some slimey lawyer will try to flog up a class action suit to pick some deep pockets.

Well, the gun lobby would fight that; gun free zones kill people, doncha know.

Gun free zones make law-abiding citizens into sitting ducks, doncha know.

So the concert goers should have all been armed and shooting back at a hotel building? LOL You wingnuts are a real piece of work. .

 

[bodecea]

Only an ignorant moonbat would post such bilge. Shootings take place all over the world. The U.S. is a large country, so there are more, but less fatalities when adjusted by population than some other countries. I'll also note that there are government around the world that kill far more of their OWN CITIZENS every year than the total killed by fire arms in the U.S.

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If You Look at This Chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings - One Thing Jumps Out

They are rare everywhere else. And ours keep getting worse.

Wrong. Ours are staying the same, but they are getting worse everywhere else because they already have the anti gun laws you want, they just can't seem to enforce them.

Strange this is the worst one ever. You call that staying the same?

The worst shooting, but not the worst mass murder. That bit of history belongs to a little shit who burned 80+ people to death in New York with a gallon of gasoline. Want to outlaw that too? That's the problem you have, you want to ban everything but the only people who follow bans are the legal people. The criminals laugh at you dipshits and say "thanks for making our crimes easier!"

Jerry Brown wants to outlaw gas in CA - he's pushing to forbid all gas and diesel powered vehicles by 2040!

He does? Good luck with that.....

 

[Skull Pilot]

It's not as easy as you think to modify a gun for full auto.

If it was there'd be a shit ton more of them floating around

A modern semi auto with high capacity mags is a mass killer.

I've never seen a rifle semi or not chase anyone down the street and kill anybody… Have you?

People with rifles kill innocent American people.

Did you know that more people are killed by fists and feet than by all types of rifles combines, even the scary black ones?

More people are killed with knives than by all rifles combined

More people are killed with hammers and other blunt objects than by all rifles combined

Didn't know that did ya?

That is useful information

Next time someone wants to kill a movie theater full of people, a classroom full of first graders or thousands of concert goers in Vegas....You should let them know that a hammer is the weapon of choice

Oh I see only people who get killed in a mass shooting count it doesn't matter that mass shootings account for 1% of all murders.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It's too bad we can't sue the gun industry as easily.

IF that were allowed, I assure you the Auto Industry and hammer industry and knife industry would be next

Such a stupid argument. Cars are replete with safety features, many mandated by law. Roads have rules for safety and are patrolled by police. If guns were regulated as well there would be fewer problems.

Guns aren't regulated? Silly wabbit!

Gun laws in the United States by state - Wikipedia

Regulated as well as cars, dope. I swear you're all functionally illiterate. Either that or you're not native speakers.

Last time I checked I didn't have to have my fingerprints on file with the state cops in order to get my drivers license as I had to for my carry permit.

I bet you don't need a title or registration for that weapon either.

 

[OldLady]

then we shouldn't let people buy guns that can be easily modified to full auto. Or that were originally designed as battlefield weapons.

This seems pretty simple, except for the nutters who are compensating for their 'shortcomings'.

It's not as easy as you think to modify a gun for full auto.

If it was there'd be a shit ton more of them floating around

A modern semi auto with high capacity mags is a mass killer.

I've never seen a rifle semi or not chase anyone down the street and kill anybody… Have you?

People with rifles kill innocent American people.

Did you know that more people are killed by fists and feet than by all types of rifles combines, even the scary black ones?

More people are killed with knives than by all rifles combined

More people are killed with hammers and other blunt objects than by all rifles combined

Didn't know that did ya?

Try killing almost 60 people and injuring over 400 from a 32 floor window using your fists and feet. Or a knife. No American civilian needs automatic or semiautomatic rifles. They couldn't effectively wage a war on our government with them, and they do nothing but allow killing machines to float through our society, to be grabbed up any time someone gets murder in his heart.

 

[westwall]

IF that were allowed, I assure you the Auto Industry and hammer industry and knife industry would be next

Such a stupid argument. Cars are replete with safety features, many mandated by law. Roads have rules for safety and are patrolled by police. If guns were regulated as well there would be fewer problems.

Guns aren't regulated? Silly wabbit!

Gun laws in the United States by state - Wikipedia

Regulated as well as cars, dope. I swear you're all functionally illiterate. Either that or you're not native speakers.

Last time I checked I didn't have to have my fingerprints on file with the state cops in order to get my drivers license as I had to for my carry permit.

I bet you don't need a title or registration for that weapon either.

Nope, but you don't need to have your fingerprints on file with the authorities either. You do for a CCW.

 

[Skull Pilot]

in what state is it legal for a private seller to sell to felons?

How could they know without a background check?

It doesn't matter if they know or not. it is ILLEGAL to sell guns to people who are not eligible to buy them which puts the responsibility of knowing who the gun is sold to on the seller.

So if you want to stay within the law on private sales you broker them through an FFL dealer

So you're in favor of making that mandatory then? There is no other way for LE to know a transaction even occurred otherwise.

I really don't car as I don't sell my firearms.
IMO anyone who sell a gun to someone they do not know and doesn't broker the deal through an FFL dealer is a fucking idiot.

The thing is private transfers are a minuscule part of the gun trade and most are gifts and inheritances.

The average piece of shit thug on the street doesn't buy his guns from a guy he doesn't know. Usually he gets a family member or friend to make a straw purchase or he gets them from a different piece of shit he already knows

That's the point. Without requiring a check, anyone can buy anything and resell to anyone without any record of a transaction. Even if I sell a gun to a guy and go through a dealer, there's no control over who he could then sell it to. Universal checks should not be a problem for those who are honest. I would bet that quite a few of those opposed make some nice cash buying and selling.

And how is requiring a check going to stop the straw purchases or any purchase by a piece of shit criminal from another piece of shit criminal?

 

[westwall]

It's not as easy as you think to modify a gun for full auto.

If it was there'd be a shit ton more of them floating around

A modern semi auto with high capacity mags is a mass killer.

I've never seen a rifle semi or not chase anyone down the street and kill anybody… Have you?

People with rifles kill innocent American people.

Did you know that more people are killed by fists and feet than by all types of rifles combines, even the scary black ones?

More people are killed with knives than by all rifles combined

More people are killed with hammers and other blunt objects than by all rifles combined

Didn't know that did ya?

Try killing almost 60 people and injuring over 400 from a 32 floor window using your fists and feet. Or a knife. No American civilian needs automatic or semiautomatic rifles. They couldn't effectively wage a war on our government with them, and they do nothing but allow killing machines to float through our society, to be grabbed up any time someone gets murder in his heart.

A gallon of gasoline killed more people in New York. Look it up.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It's not as easy as you think to modify a gun for full auto.

If it was there'd be a shit ton more of them floating around

A modern semi auto with high capacity mags is a mass killer.

I've never seen a rifle semi or not chase anyone down the street and kill anybody… Have you?

People with rifles kill innocent American people.

Did you know that more people are killed by fists and feet than by all types of rifles combines, even the scary black ones?

More people are killed with knives than by all rifles combined

More people are killed with hammers and other blunt objects than by all rifles combined

Didn't know that did ya?

Try killing almost 60 people and injuring over 400 from a 32 floor window using your fists and feet. Or a knife. No American civilian needs automatic or semiautomatic rifles. They couldn't effectively wage a war on our government with them, and they do nothing but allow killing machines to float through our society, to be grabbed up any time someone gets murder in his heart.

So only people who get killed in mass shootings count even though mass shootings result in 1% of all murders annually?

 

[Geaux4it]

If guns are needed for self protection, then from whom was Stephen Paddock protecting himself.? Was he in danger from innocent concert goers?

Guns are fun. They are used as a hobby. Others use them to put food on the table, and some like me, have used them in self defense

-Geaux

You didn't answer my question? Who was threatening Stephen Paddock? If guns are for self defense, who was he defending himself from?

I pointed out not all gun owners put self defense as the #1 reason they have them.

-Geaux

 

[MarkDuffy]

If guns are needed for self protection, then from whom was Stephen Paddock protecting himself.? Was he in danger from innocent concert goers?

What sad, twisted reasoning.

The question is..and we all know the answer...if an armed civilian had been walking by his room and heard gunfire, how many fewer people would be dead now?

You mean there wasn't one?

Next!

 

[OldLady]

If guns are needed for self protection, then from whom was Stephen Paddock protecting himself.? Was he in danger from innocent concert goers?

Guns are fun. They are used as a hobby. Others use them to put food on the table, and some like me, have used them in self defense

-Geaux

You didn't answer my question? Who was threatening Stephen Paddock? If guns are for self defense, who was he defending himself from?

Your brain isn't working. Paddock was a progressive scumbag. He felt he was above the law and wanted to punish all of those evil trump voters. The gun Rights we enjoy aren't for scumbags like him. They are for the reasonable people.

You have no right to be calling that monster a progressive. You know absolutely nothing about his politics or his motivation. That is just too much bullshit, from a mod no less. I'd expect it from some of the mindless bots here but you are not supposed to fling loose shit.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It's not as easy as you think to modify a gun for full auto.

If it was there'd be a shit ton more of them floating around

A modern semi auto with high capacity mags is a mass killer.

I've never seen a rifle semi or not chase anyone down the street and kill anybody… Have you?

People with rifles kill innocent American people.

Did you know that more people are killed by fists and feet than by all types of rifles combines, even the scary black ones?

More people are killed with knives than by all rifles combined

More people are killed with hammers and other blunt objects than by all rifles combined

Didn't know that did ya?

Exactly why we shouldn't care about this event.

Care all you want just realize that the average everyday law abiding gun owner is not responsible for it.

 

[MarkDuffy]

Indeed they weren't. The Clark County sheriff is virulently anti gun so the concert was in a "gun free" zone. So, yet again, the victims were placed into a shooting bowl and prevented the means to defend themselves.

Dude, the shooter was at least 200m away on the 32nd floor. Well out of range for even the police on the ground. Do you really want 100 people shooting willy nilly at the hotel from the ground? What about the other guests in the hotel?

You should really think before you post.

Do you think every gun user is going to turn and open fire on a building?

If you do not have a clear shot you do not fire.

I swear to god you should think before posting because your ignorance is showing!

What does "defend themselves" mean then?
Who are the designated defenders?
No one should return fire.

Wrong. If you have a good target, and are capable of returning fire accurately, and under control, then yes, a return of fire is totally appropriate.

Was there a good target? Were they capable of returning fire accurately?

Doncha know, all our gunnut posters are amazing crack shots?

 

[Geaux4it]

IF that were allowed, I assure you the Auto Industry and hammer industry and knife industry would be next

Such a stupid argument. Cars are replete with safety features, many mandated by law. Roads have rules for safety and are patrolled by police. If guns were regulated as well there would be fewer problems.

Guns aren't regulated? Silly wabbit!

Gun laws in the United States by state - Wikipedia

Regulated as well as cars, dope. I swear you're all functionally illiterate. Either that or you're not native speakers.

Last time I checked I didn't have to have my fingerprints on file with the state cops in order to get my drivers license as I had to for my carry permit.

I bet you don't need a title or registration for that weapon either.

You should not make comments about firearms. Your ignorance degrades the conversation

-Geaux