Leaked Autopsy Report Reveals Freddie Gray’s Cause Of Death

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Yeah, but his spine was severed not fractured

Vertibrae fracture caused the spinal severing.

 

[Katzndogz]

It isn't because even though the report says at risk of sudden acceleration or deceleration it doesn't say that occurred. It's "maybe" or "what if". That means no charges. No one goes to trial on a what if.

 

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Yeah, but his spine was severed not fractured

Vertibrae fracture caused the spinal severing.

Conjecture

 

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It isn't because even though the report says at risk of sudden acceleration or deceleration it doesn't say that occurred. It's "maybe" or "what if". That means no charges. No one goes to trial on a what if.

The police lied and thats not a what if

 

[TooTall]

This isn't news, we've basically known this since a day or so after the incident.

He was "humbled" to death. Whether or not the cops will be convicted remains to be seen.

If they are it's a travesty and Mosby will NEVER get second degree murder

She's probably got a pretty good case for second-degree murder, actually.

She just has to show that the cops were intentionally giving him a rough ride (which is almost certainly the case).

Only one cop was driving the vehicle.

Nope.....all 6 were.

Two for the steering wheel, one to shift gears one for the clutch, one for the gas pedal and one for the brake. How did they all get in one seat?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Conjecture

You think the cops used a pocket knife?

 

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Conjecture

You think the cops used a pocket knife?

Sarcasm isnt a rebuttal or a point

 

[bucs90]

TyroneSlothrop can you ask Bucs where the secret evidence is about Gray having weak bones is? I think he has the words weak bones blocked so he can see and respond to me but cant see my question.

He had lead poisoning. He won a lawsuit for it. Right? Yes. It is fact.

Google lead poisoning. Guess what lead does? It eats away calcium. Weakens bones. Go ahead. Look it up.

 

[bucs90]

One already posted in #9 ~ Freddie Gray s life a study on the effects of lead paint on poor blacks - The Washington Post

"It wasn’t long after that he was given the first of many blood tests, court records show. The test came in May of 1990, when the family was living in a home on Fulton Avenue in West Baltimore. Even at such a young age, his blood contained more than 10 micrograms of lead per deciliter of blood — double the level at which the Center for Disease Control urges additional testing. Three months later, his blood had nearly 30 micrograms. In June 1991, when Gray was 22 months old, his blood carried 37 micrograms.

“Jesus,” Dan Levy, an assistant professor of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University who has studied the effects of lead poisoning on youths, gasped when told of Gray’s levels. “The fact that Mr. Gray had these high levels of lead in all likelihood affected his ability to think and to self-regulate and profoundly affected his cognitive ability to process information.”

Levy added, “And the real tragedy of lead is that the damage it does is irreparable.”



And here's another with a bit more indepth on the case ~ Freddie Gray and sisters suffered lead poisoning family said in 2008 lawsuit

"When news of Gray's death spread, one of Rochkind's attorneys, Ryan Naugle, remembered the name, especially when a picture of him started circulating.

Among the evidence were the results of blood tests conducted on the siblings as children that showed all of them had lead levels above the 10 micrograms per deciliter (mg/dL) that state law defines as the threshold for lead poisoning. (Experts say there are no safe levels of lead, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention consider anything above 5 mg/dL cause for concern.)

Freddie Gray, for example, was tested as having between 11 mg/dL and 19 mg/dL in six tests conducted between 1992 and 1996, court documents show.

The siblings were treated for lead at Kennedy Krieger Institute, the documents show. Relatives said Darden and her partner, Richard Shipley, who is considered the children's stepfather, tried to ameliorate the lead problem."

I'm referring to the weak bones theory that neither of these links address.

Ah sorry, I though it was pretty common knowledge that lead effects bone density.

From previously in this thread: CDC - Lead Health Problems Caused by Lead - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic

"Within our bodies, lead is absorbed and stored in our bones, blood, and tissues. It does not stay there permanently, rather it is stored there as a source of continual internal exposure. 1 As we age, our bones demineralize and the internal exposures may increase as a result of larger releases of lead from the bone tissue."

Here's another: Lead Poisoning

"Most lead ends up in the bone, where it causes even more problems. Lead can interfere with the production of blood cells and the absorption of calcium that bones need to grow healthy and strong. Calcium is essential for strong bones and teeth, muscle contraction, and nerve and blood vessel function.

Effects of Long-Term Lead Poisoning
Lead poisoning can lead to a variety of health problems in kids, including:

• decreased bone and muscle growth

And effects: Health Impacts of Lead Poisoning

Bone, muscle and joint

• Bone marrow alterations (21)
• Myalgia [muscle pain] (25,38, 40, 53,54)
• Muscular weakness (38, 39, 40, 25,38, 40, 21)
• Bone lead mobilisation during menopause leads to decreased neurocognitive performance and increased systolic blood pressure in post-menopausal women (44)
• Wrist drop [the inability to hold the hand extended] (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)
• Long term effect: linked to osteoporosis which has symptoms of decline in bone density and increase risk in fractures, also inhibit normal fracture healing (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)

and here: Baring Bone s Secrets Understanding How Lead Exposure Affects Skeletal Development

"Among lead’s well-known developmental health effects is stunting of skeletal growth in children. Moreover, lead is known to delay fracture healing and may contribute to osteoporosis.
[...]
Given the importance of cartilage both in embryonic development and in fracture repair later in life, stimulation of chondrogenesis seems like a good thing; but if lead triggers the formation of too much cartilage at the wrong time, or prevents its further maturation into bone, this could explain lead’s crippling effects on the skeleton. And because mesenchymal cells may differentiate into a variety of cell types in addition to cartilage, lead may also affect the development of other body systems."

Yes it says fractures and osteoporosis. It also says that the fractures are tiny fractures that are healed by the body. It says nothing about weakened bones or anything about snapping bones which is what happened.

So I'm wondering why this is even brought up in the first place. Well, not really...I know why

uhm... Osteoporosis - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Osteoporosis is a disease where decreased bone strength increases the risk of a broken bone."

"Osteoporosis itself has no symptoms; its main consequence is the increased risk of bone fractures. Osteoporotic fractures occur in situations where healthy people would not normally break a bone; they are therefore regarded as fragility fractures. Typical fragility fractures occur in the vertebral column, rib, hip and wrist."

Yeah, but his spine was severed not fractured

Yes...because spines dont fracture. The bones around the spinal cord do. But the spinal cord severs....not fractures.

Wrap a carrot in rock candy. Break it in half. The carrot severs. The rock candy fractures.

 

[bucs90]

Ya. Pretty fucking funny.
The Grays claimed FTFL had weakened bones b/c of lead poisoning. They won that case. Now they're back claiming FTFL was sound as a dollar.

Do you have a link to that or is that a widely circulated rumor?

I'll know when or if you post a link if thats true

One already posted in #9 ~ Freddie Gray s life a study on the effects of lead paint on poor blacks - The Washington Post

"It wasn’t long after that he was given the first of many blood tests, court records show. The test came in May of 1990, when the family was living in a home on Fulton Avenue in West Baltimore. Even at such a young age, his blood contained more than 10 micrograms of lead per deciliter of blood — double the level at which the Center for Disease Control urges additional testing. Three months later, his blood had nearly 30 micrograms. In June 1991, when Gray was 22 months old, his blood carried 37 micrograms.

“Jesus,” Dan Levy, an assistant professor of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University who has studied the effects of lead poisoning on youths, gasped when told of Gray’s levels. “The fact that Mr. Gray had these high levels of lead in all likelihood affected his ability to think and to self-regulate and profoundly affected his cognitive ability to process information.”

Levy added, “And the real tragedy of lead is that the damage it does is irreparable.”



And here's another with a bit more indepth on the case ~ Freddie Gray and sisters suffered lead poisoning family said in 2008 lawsuit

"When news of Gray's death spread, one of Rochkind's attorneys, Ryan Naugle, remembered the name, especially when a picture of him started circulating.

Among the evidence were the results of blood tests conducted on the siblings as children that showed all of them had lead levels above the 10 micrograms per deciliter (mg/dL) that state law defines as the threshold for lead poisoning. (Experts say there are no safe levels of lead, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention consider anything above 5 mg/dL cause for concern.)

Freddie Gray, for example, was tested as having between 11 mg/dL and 19 mg/dL in six tests conducted between 1992 and 1996, court documents show.

The siblings were treated for lead at Kennedy Krieger Institute, the documents show. Relatives said Darden and her partner, Richard Shipley, who is considered the children's stepfather, tried to ameliorate the lead problem."

I'm referring to the weak bones theory that neither of these links address.

Ah sorry, I though it was pretty common knowledge that lead effects bone density.

From previously in this thread: CDC - Lead Health Problems Caused by Lead - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic

"Within our bodies, lead is absorbed and stored in our bones, blood, and tissues. It does not stay there permanently, rather it is stored there as a source of continual internal exposure. 1 As we age, our bones demineralize and the internal exposures may increase as a result of larger releases of lead from the bone tissue."

Here's another: Lead Poisoning

"Most lead ends up in the bone, where it causes even more problems. Lead can interfere with the production of blood cells and the absorption of calcium that bones need to grow healthy and strong. Calcium is essential for strong bones and teeth, muscle contraction, and nerve and blood vessel function.

Effects of Long-Term Lead Poisoning
Lead poisoning can lead to a variety of health problems in kids, including:

• decreased bone and muscle growth

And effects: Health Impacts of Lead Poisoning

Bone, muscle and joint

• Bone marrow alterations (21)
• Myalgia [muscle pain] (25,38, 40, 53,54)
• Muscular weakness (38, 39, 40, 25,38, 40, 21)
• Bone lead mobilisation during menopause leads to decreased neurocognitive performance and increased systolic blood pressure in post-menopausal women (44)
• Wrist drop [the inability to hold the hand extended] (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)
• Long term effect: linked to osteoporosis which has symptoms of decline in bone density and increase risk in fractures, also inhibit normal fracture healing (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)

and here: Baring Bone s Secrets Understanding How Lead Exposure Affects Skeletal Development

"Among lead’s well-known developmental health effects is stunting of skeletal growth in children. Moreover, lead is known to delay fracture healing and may contribute to osteoporosis.
[...]
Given the importance of cartilage both in embryonic development and in fracture repair later in life, stimulation of chondrogenesis seems like a good thing; but if lead triggers the formation of too much cartilage at the wrong time, or prevents its further maturation into bone, this could explain lead’s crippling effects on the skeleton. And because mesenchymal cells may differentiate into a variety of cell types in addition to cartilage, lead may also affect the development of other body systems."

Yes it says fractures and osteoporosis. It also says that the fractures are tiny fractures that are healed by the body. It says nothing about weakened bones or anything about snapping bones which is what happened.

So I'm wondering why this is even brought up in the first place. Well, not really...I know why

Um....it says lead has a "crippling effect" on skeletal bones. Hmmmm. You gotta read til the end buddy.

 

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TyroneSlothrop can you ask Bucs where the secret evidence is about Gray having weak bones is? I think he has the words weak bones blocked so he can see and respond to me but cant see my question.

He had lead poisoning. He won a lawsuit for it. Right? Yes. It is fact.

Google lead poisoning. Guess what lead does? It eats away calcium. Weakens bones. Go ahead. Look it up.

It doesnt snap them. You believe that theories are truth. The coroner didnt say anything about weakened bones so your bad

 

[EverCurious]

One already posted in #9 ~ Freddie Gray s life a study on the effects of lead paint on poor blacks - The Washington Post

"It wasn’t long after that he was given the first of many blood tests, court records show. The test came in May of 1990, when the family was living in a home on Fulton Avenue in West Baltimore. Even at such a young age, his blood contained more than 10 micrograms of lead per deciliter of blood — double the level at which the Center for Disease Control urges additional testing. Three months later, his blood had nearly 30 micrograms. In June 1991, when Gray was 22 months old, his blood carried 37 micrograms.

“Jesus,” Dan Levy, an assistant professor of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University who has studied the effects of lead poisoning on youths, gasped when told of Gray’s levels. “The fact that Mr. Gray had these high levels of lead in all likelihood affected his ability to think and to self-regulate and profoundly affected his cognitive ability to process information.”

Levy added, “And the real tragedy of lead is that the damage it does is irreparable.”



And here's another with a bit more indepth on the case ~ Freddie Gray and sisters suffered lead poisoning family said in 2008 lawsuit

"When news of Gray's death spread, one of Rochkind's attorneys, Ryan Naugle, remembered the name, especially when a picture of him started circulating.

Among the evidence were the results of blood tests conducted on the siblings as children that showed all of them had lead levels above the 10 micrograms per deciliter (mg/dL) that state law defines as the threshold for lead poisoning. (Experts say there are no safe levels of lead, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention consider anything above 5 mg/dL cause for concern.)

Freddie Gray, for example, was tested as having between 11 mg/dL and 19 mg/dL in six tests conducted between 1992 and 1996, court documents show.

The siblings were treated for lead at Kennedy Krieger Institute, the documents show. Relatives said Darden and her partner, Richard Shipley, who is considered the children's stepfather, tried to ameliorate the lead problem."

I'm referring to the weak bones theory that neither of these links address.

Ah sorry, I though it was pretty common knowledge that lead effects bone density.

From previously in this thread: CDC - Lead Health Problems Caused by Lead - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic

"Within our bodies, lead is absorbed and stored in our bones, blood, and tissues. It does not stay there permanently, rather it is stored there as a source of continual internal exposure. 1 As we age, our bones demineralize and the internal exposures may increase as a result of larger releases of lead from the bone tissue."

Here's another: Lead Poisoning

"Most lead ends up in the bone, where it causes even more problems. Lead can interfere with the production of blood cells and the absorption of calcium that bones need to grow healthy and strong. Calcium is essential for strong bones and teeth, muscle contraction, and nerve and blood vessel function.

Effects of Long-Term Lead Poisoning
Lead poisoning can lead to a variety of health problems in kids, including:

• decreased bone and muscle growth

And effects: Health Impacts of Lead Poisoning

Bone, muscle and joint

• Bone marrow alterations (21)
• Myalgia [muscle pain] (25,38, 40, 53,54)
• Muscular weakness (38, 39, 40, 25,38, 40, 21)
• Bone lead mobilisation during menopause leads to decreased neurocognitive performance and increased systolic blood pressure in post-menopausal women (44)
• Wrist drop [the inability to hold the hand extended] (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)
• Long term effect: linked to osteoporosis which has symptoms of decline in bone density and increase risk in fractures, also inhibit normal fracture healing (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)

and here: Baring Bone s Secrets Understanding How Lead Exposure Affects Skeletal Development

"Among lead’s well-known developmental health effects is stunting of skeletal growth in children. Moreover, lead is known to delay fracture healing and may contribute to osteoporosis.
[...]
Given the importance of cartilage both in embryonic development and in fracture repair later in life, stimulation of chondrogenesis seems like a good thing; but if lead triggers the formation of too much cartilage at the wrong time, or prevents its further maturation into bone, this could explain lead’s crippling effects on the skeleton. And because mesenchymal cells may differentiate into a variety of cell types in addition to cartilage, lead may also affect the development of other body systems."

Yes it says fractures and osteoporosis. It also says that the fractures are tiny fractures that are healed by the body. It says nothing about weakened bones or anything about snapping bones which is what happened.

So I'm wondering why this is even brought up in the first place. Well, not really...I know why

uhm... Osteoporosis - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Osteoporosis is a disease where decreased bone strength increases the risk of a broken bone."

"Osteoporosis itself has no symptoms; its main consequence is the increased risk of bone fractures. Osteoporotic fractures occur in situations where healthy people would not normally break a bone; they are therefore regarded as fragility fractures. Typical fragility fractures occur in the vertebral column, rib, hip and wrist."

Yeah, but his spine was severed not fractured

I think you're getting confused by medical terminology misconception. The terms fracture and break are the same thing and generally interchangeable, it is at most a qualifier on the "severity" of the injury sustained, and possibly the time it would take to heal. (http://orthopedics.about.com/b/2003/09/19/fracture-or-break.htm)

A cervical fracture /is/ a broken neck; "cervical" merely being the name of the 7 vertebrae's at the neck.

The "fracture" or "broken neck" itself is actually not "lethal" or even really /that/ big a deal in itself regardless, the lethal part is that a shard of bone enters the spinal cord, or the weakened fractured vertebrae separates from its partner vertebrae and pinches the spinal cord, causing serious injury or even severing the cord. Which is what they meant by “severed” vs how I think you’re taking it; “the bone itself was severed.”

~ Family of Freddie Gray fatally injured while in Baltimore police custody demands answers

“Freddie arrived at the hospital he had three broken vertebrae, his spinal cord was severed 80 percent, his voice box damaged, and his brain was swollen.”

The spinal cord itself is not very strong, certainly not vs the bone that is supposed to protect it, we're only talking about like a leather hide (dura mater,) a layer of mucus like tissue (meninges), and a few 28guage wires (nerves) as far as “strength” goes. Unfortunately if that “leather hide” exterior gets punctured and those 28guage wires get damaged, the brain is unable to relay signals to the rest of the body (breathing or muscle control for example.)

Three vertebrae are reported as broken, plus the voice box injury, which places the impact in C3 through C5. The injury is supposedly at the back of his head, which places it toward the top of the column. So we can probably narrow this down to an axial impact on either C2, C3, C4 or C3, C4, C5 ~ most C2 and C3 injuries are generally fatal due to the loss of the ability to breath on their own.

This is complicated however by the autopsy’s report that Gray was “lethargically” responding to the officers when they loaded up the second suspect. A C2-C3 break would typically make it impossible for Gray to utilize his diaphragm – aka no talking nor breathing. Still waiting for more info.

~ Cervical Fracture Broken Neck -OrthoInfo - AAOS

Cervical Fracture (Broken Neck)

"Cervical fractures usually result from high-energy trauma, such as automobile crashes or falls. Athletes are also at risk. A cervical fracture can occur if:

• A football player "spears" an opponent with his head.
• An ice hockey player is struck from behind and rams into the boards.
• A gymnast misses the high bar during a release move and falls.
• A diver strikes the bottom of a shallow pool.

Any injury to the vertebrae can have serious consequences because the spinal cord, the central nervous system's connection between the brain and the body, runs through the center of the vertebrae. Damage to the spinal cord can result in paralysis or death. Injury to the spinal cord at the level of the cervical spine can lead to temporary or permanent paralysis of the entire body from the neck down."


Description of "broken neck" here: A Broken Neck - What Happens

"When an injury occurs in the neck area of the spine, and the individual vertebrae become fractured or dislocated, the neck can be described as broken.

The neck area of the spine is referred to as the cervical area. Cervical vertebrae (neck bones) are the top 7 bones in the spinal column. These top 7 bones form the top part of our "backbone" and they also serve to protect the spinal cord from injury. If the vertebrae are broken or severely dislocated, but the spinal cord is unharmed, then no neurological problems result. People with this type of injury are treated very carefully while the bones heal to avoid damage to the spinal cord.

If the spinal cord is bruised or partially damaged due to swelling or laceration, then quadriplegia or other neurological problems may occur. If the spinal cord is severely injured and this injury is at or above the fifth cervical vertebra (C5), then breathing may be effected and the person may die from asphyxiation. In order to help someone breath, a hole is cut into the windpipe (trachea), and a tube inserted which is connected to a ventilator to supply the lungs with oxygen.

The portion of the cord that controls breathing via the diaphragm is about C3 through C5. If the damage is below C6, then paralysis may occur, but breathing would be left intact although at a reduced capacity.

However, if the cord is severely injured or transected (cut or torn in half), there is sudden loss of nerve supply to the entire body, including the heart and blood vessels. The victim may suffer a sudden and profound drop in blood pressure (BP) This is called "spinal shock."


I am also including this Broken Neck and Types of Neck Fractures because it very specifically talks about the increased risk of cervical spine (neck) fracture injury with osteoporosis, and bone loss, that can be caused by lead poisoning:

"Elderly people, especially those with osteoporosis, are at a greater risk for neck fractures. Experts say that spinal fracture is directly related to the amount of bone loss in a patient. Because osteoporotic bone is very fragile, common activities and minor impacts may create tiny breaks called microfractures."

 

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Is there any evidence that Gray indeed did have weakened bones, osteoporosis, wrist drop, myalgia or anything else on that list?

Answer: No

 

[bucs90]

TyroneSlothrop can you ask Bucs where the secret evidence is about Gray having weak bones is? I think he has the words weak bones blocked so he can see and respond to me but cant see my question.

He had lead poisoning. He won a lawsuit for it. Right? Yes. It is fact.

Google lead poisoning. Guess what lead does? It eats away calcium. Weakens bones. Go ahead. Look it up.

It doesnt snap them. You believe that theories are truth. The coroner didnt say anything about weakened bones so your bad

Wow. This is like talking to a child.

No...lead poisoning which WEAKENS bones does not SNAP the bone. It weakens it. Imagine shaving down a pencil. It doesnt snap. But it gets weaker.

An impact snaps it. Kinda like standing up in a van when it stops while you're handcuffed.

See how simple this is?

 

[ClosedCaption]

TyroneSlothrop can you ask Bucs where the secret evidence is about Gray having weak bones is? I think he has the words weak bones blocked so he can see and respond to me but cant see my question.

He had lead poisoning. He won a lawsuit for it. Right? Yes. It is fact.

Google lead poisoning. Guess what lead does? It eats away calcium. Weakens bones. Go ahead. Look it up.

It doesnt snap them. You believe that theories are truth. The coroner didnt say anything about weakened bones so your bad

Wow. This is like talking to a child.

No...lead poisoning which WEAKENS bones does not SNAP the bone. It weakens it. Imagine shaving down a pencil. It doesnt snap. But it gets weaker.

An impact snaps it. Kinda like standing up in a van when it stops while you're handcuffed.

See how simple this is?

Its as simple as proving it but you cannot. And the Coroner didnt either. Must be a conspiracy...again