Leaked Autopsy Report Reveals Freddie Gray’s Cause Of Death

Though Gray was loaded into the van on his belly, the medical examiner surmised that he may have gotten to his feet and was thrown into the wall during an abrupt change in direction. He was not belted in, but his wrists and ankles were shackled, putting him “at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van.”


The medical examiner compared Gray’s injury to those seen in shallow-water diving incidents.

[…]

The injury to Gray’s spinal cord would have caused loss of function of his limbs, and would have “direct effects” on his ability to breathe, according to the autopsy.

I guess now is the time to float the theory that Grey dove onto his own head or some dumb shit. Or maybe go after the person who did the autopsy

So let me see here, Gray chose to stand up in the back of a moving fan, and someone else is at fault for his death?

Yeah okay bro.

He couldnt stand if he was restrained but you cant give a proper nickel ride with a seat belt. Lets remember the autopsy guy said "MAY HAVE"

I will say again. I have read that the van in question did NOT have seat belts.

Also, there is no evidence of a "nickel ride"

What is evidence of a nickel ride consist of?
 
Though Gray was loaded into the van on his belly, the medical examiner surmised that he may have gotten to his feet and was thrown into the wall during an abrupt change in direction. He was not belted in, but his wrists and ankles were shackled, putting him “at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van.”


The medical examiner compared Gray’s injury to those seen in shallow-water diving incidents.

[…]

The injury to Gray’s spinal cord would have caused loss of function of his limbs, and would have “direct effects” on his ability to breathe, according to the autopsy.

I guess now is the time to float the theory that Grey dove onto his own head or some dumb shit. Or maybe go after the person who did the autopsy

So let me see here, Gray chose to stand up in the back of a moving fan, and someone else is at fault for his death?

Yeah okay bro.

He couldnt stand if he was restrained but you cant give a proper nickel ride with a seat belt. Lets remember the autopsy guy said "MAY HAVE"
Do you know what MAY HAVE means?

Reasonable doubt.

LOL...So now instead of saying he did stood up you finally understand what may have means? Reasonable doubt whether he stood or not, not reasonable doubt of whether he's dead silly
 
Though Gray was loaded into the van on his belly, the medical examiner surmised that he may have gotten to his feet and was thrown into the wall during an abrupt change in direction. He was not belted in, but his wrists and ankles were shackled, putting him “at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van.”


The medical examiner compared Gray’s injury to those seen in shallow-water diving incidents.

[…]

The injury to Gray’s spinal cord would have caused loss of function of his limbs, and would have “direct effects” on his ability to breathe, according to the autopsy.

I guess now is the time to float the theory that Grey dove onto his own head or some dumb shit. Or maybe go after the person who did the autopsy

So let me see here, Gray chose to stand up in the back of a moving fan, and someone else is at fault for his death?

Yeah okay bro.

He couldnt stand if he was restrained but you cant give a proper nickel ride with a seat belt. Lets remember the autopsy guy said "MAY HAVE"
Do you know what MAY HAVE means?

Reasonable doubt.

LOL...So now instead of saying he did stood up you finally understand what may have means? Reasonable doubt whether he stood or not, not reasonable doubt of whether he's dead silly

So now you admit there is reasonable doubt.

Good

/thread
 
Though Gray was loaded into the van on his belly, the medical examiner surmised that he may have gotten to his feet and was thrown into the wall during an abrupt change in direction. He was not belted in, but his wrists and ankles were shackled, putting him “at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van.”


The medical examiner compared Gray’s injury to those seen in shallow-water diving incidents.

[…]

The injury to Gray’s spinal cord would have caused loss of function of his limbs, and would have “direct effects” on his ability to breathe, according to the autopsy.

I guess now is the time to float the theory that Grey dove onto his own head or some dumb shit. Or maybe go after the person who did the autopsy

So let me see here, Gray chose to stand up in the back of a moving fan, and someone else is at fault for his death?

Yeah okay bro.

He couldnt stand if he was restrained but you cant give a proper nickel ride with a seat belt. Lets remember the autopsy guy said "MAY HAVE"
Do you know what MAY HAVE means?

Reasonable doubt.

LOL...So now instead of saying he did stood up you finally understand what may have means? Reasonable doubt whether he stood or not, not reasonable doubt of whether he's dead silly

So now you admit there is reasonable doubt.

Good

/thread


LOL...Gawd, you gotta try harder. The only reasonable doubt there is is whether or not you have a functioning brain.
 
So let me see here, Gray chose to stand up in the back of a moving fan, and someone else is at fault for his death?

Yeah okay bro.

He couldnt stand if he was restrained but you cant give a proper nickel ride with a seat belt. Lets remember the autopsy guy said "MAY HAVE"
Do you know what MAY HAVE means?

Reasonable doubt.

LOL...So now instead of saying he did stood up you finally understand what may have means? Reasonable doubt whether he stood or not, not reasonable doubt of whether he's dead silly

So now you admit there is reasonable doubt.

Good

/thread


LOL...Gawd, you gotta try harder. The only reasonable doubt there is is whether or not you have a functioning brain.

Well, well, we were having a reasonable discussion then you realized I neatly pinned you in a corner and went to the insulting.

I accept your surrender.
 
Holding up your own hand isnt a victory.

The only reasonable doubt isnt a legal one....its whether or not he stood up. But the case isnt centered on that at all.

So, awesome job on exposing...I dunno, what the word "maybe" means. Congrats I guess
 
Though Gray was loaded into the van on his belly, the medical examiner surmised that he may have gotten to his feet and was thrown into the wall during an abrupt change in direction. He was not belted in, but his wrists and ankles were shackled, putting him “at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van.”


The medical examiner compared Gray’s injury to those seen in shallow-water diving incidents.

[…]

The injury to Gray’s spinal cord would have caused loss of function of his limbs, and would have “direct effects” on his ability to breathe, according to the autopsy.

I guess now is the time to float the theory that Grey dove onto his own head or some dumb shit. Or maybe go after the person who did the autopsy

So let me see here, Gray chose to stand up in the back of a moving fan, and someone else is at fault for his death?

Yeah okay bro.

He couldnt stand if he was restrained but you cant give a proper nickel ride with a seat belt. Lets remember the autopsy guy said "MAY HAVE"

I will say again. I have read that the van in question did NOT have seat belts.

Also, there is no evidence of a "nickel ride"

What is evidence of a nickel ride consist of?

Thats what we are asking you and your witch hunters.

WHAT EVIDENCE is there of:
Asault? None.
Nickle ride? None.
Malice? None.

What evidence that any officer intentionally did any of the above?????

And your kind charged them with MURDER? Thats very Iranian of you all.
 
Holding up your own hand isnt a victory.

The only reasonable doubt isnt a legal one....its whether or not he stood up. But the case isnt centered on that at all.

So, awesome job on exposing...I dunno, what the word "maybe" means. Congrats I guess

Now...the standard for "beyond a reasonable doubt" is required for guilty verdicts.

We cant even meet that standard for whether he stood up or not. And you think they can find evidence of MURDER haha? Wow. I didnt think America did Kangaroo Courts like Saudi Arabia and North Korea. I was wrong. Democrats do it for social fairness apparently.
 
Though Gray was loaded into the van on his belly, the medical examiner surmised that he may have gotten to his feet and was thrown into the wall during an abrupt change in direction. He was not belted in, but his wrists and ankles were shackled, putting him “at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van.”


The medical examiner compared Gray’s injury to those seen in shallow-water diving incidents.

[…]

The injury to Gray’s spinal cord would have caused loss of function of his limbs, and would have “direct effects” on his ability to breathe, according to the autopsy.

I guess now is the time to float the theory that Grey dove onto his own head or some dumb shit. Or maybe go after the person who did the autopsy

So let me see here, Gray chose to stand up in the back of a moving fan, and someone else is at fault for his death?

Yeah okay bro.

He couldnt stand if he was restrained but you cant give a proper nickel ride with a seat belt. Lets remember the autopsy guy said "MAY HAVE"

I will say again. I have read that the van in question did NOT have seat belts.

Also, there is no evidence of a "nickel ride"

What is evidence of a nickel ride consist of?

Thats what we are asking you and your witch hunters.

WHAT EVIDENCE is there of:
Asault? None.
Nickle ride? None.
Malice? None.

What evidence that any officer intentionally did any of the above?????

And your kind charged them with MURDER? Thats very Iranian of you all.


I think this is rather hard for you so I'll ask again.

What is evidence of a nickel ride?

Because if you are looking for evidence surely you know what that evidence would be, right? Its impossible to see something you cannot describe
 
Holding up your own hand isnt a victory.

The only reasonable doubt isnt a legal one....its whether or not he stood up. But the case isnt centered on that at all.

So, awesome job on exposing...I dunno, what the word "maybe" means. Congrats I guess

Now...the standard for "beyond a reasonable doubt" is required foe guilty verdicts.

We cant even meet that standard for whether he stood up or not. And you think they can find evidence of MURDER haha? Wow.

Its Faux....and laughing isnt a rebuttal or a point. Do you have that evidence of brittle bones I've asked you for now 8 times yet? Or not?
 
Holding up your own hand isnt a victory.

The only reasonable doubt isnt a legal one....its whether or not he stood up. But the case isnt centered on that at all.

So, awesome job on exposing...I dunno, what the word "maybe" means. Congrats I guess

Now...the standard for "beyond a reasonable doubt" is required for guilty verdicts.

We cant even meet that standard for whether he stood up or not. And you think they can find evidence of MURDER haha? Wow. I didnt think America did Kangaroo Courts like Saudi Arabia and North Korea. I was wrong. Democrats do it for social fairness apparently.

you just want the criminal gang that snapped the man's neck to get away with murder....you want them to get away with murder.......
 
TyroneSlothrop can you ask Bucs where the secret evidence is about Gray having weak bones is? I think he has the words weak bones blocked so he can see and respond to me but cant see my question.
 
gps could not detect a rough ride. A rough ride could consist of slamming on breaks while only doing 10 mph.
You're a fucking idiot.
GPS systems combined with timestamps to the tenth of a second can determine any sudden stop/start/turns.
The first thing the police union lawyers did was get their hands on the GPS system's data.
That's one of many reasons none of the cops plea bargained.
The negro bitch knew the case was lost the second the GPS data was handed over to the defense team.
You need to spend less time jacking off in front of your full size poster of Sarah Palin and more time studying fucking science as it pertains to how modern GPS systems function.
F1 cars have GPS systems which can record the car's acceleration/deceleration/cornering movements down to a millisecond.
 
gps could not detect a rough ride. A rough ride could consist of slamming on breaks while only doing 10 mph.
You're a fucking idiot.
GPS systems combined with timestamps to the tenth of a second can determine any sudden stop/start/turns.
The first thing the police union lawyers did was get their hands on the GPS system's data.
That's one of many reasons none of the cops plea bargained.
The negro bitch knew the case was lost the second the GPS data was handed over to the defense team.
You need to spend less time jacking off in front of your full size poster of Sarah Palin and more time studying fucking science as it pertains to how modern GPS systems function.
F1 cars have GPS systems which can record the car's acceleration/deceleration/cornering movements down to a millisecond.


LOL.

The police have to explain why the station is 2 minutes away but took them 38 minutes to get there.

Why there are several stops they forgot to mention initially in their report?

Why did they "check" on Gray but during every check they "forgot" about what a seat belt is used for?
 
The "weak bones" thing has little basis in fact.

Grays family won a court case against Stanley Rochkind over lead based paint poisoning.
If freddie really did get lead poisoning and this wasnt just another scam his bones could very well have been weakened.
I would be kind of ironic if it was just another scam and it allowed the officers to get off.
Ya. Pretty fucking funny.
The Grays claimed FTFL had weakened bones b/c of lead poisoning. They won that case. Now they're back claiming FTFL was sound as a dollar.


Do you have a link to that or is that a widely circulated rumor?

I'll know when or if you post a link if thats true

One already posted in #9 ~ Freddie Gray s life a study on the effects of lead paint on poor blacks - The Washington Post

"It wasn’t long after that he was given the first of many blood tests, court records show. The test came in May of 1990, when the family was living in a home on Fulton Avenue in West Baltimore. Even at such a young age, his blood contained more than 10 micrograms of lead per deciliter of blood — double the level at which the Center for Disease Control urges additional testing. Three months later, his blood had nearly 30 micrograms. In June 1991, when Gray was 22 months old, his blood carried 37 micrograms.

“Jesus,” Dan Levy, an assistant professor of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University who has studied the effects of lead poisoning on youths, gasped when told of Gray’s levels. “The fact that Mr. Gray had these high levels of lead in all likelihood affected his ability to think and to self-regulate and profoundly affected his cognitive ability to process information.”

Levy added, “And the real tragedy of lead is that the damage it does is irreparable.”



And here's another with a bit more indepth on the case ~ Freddie Gray and sisters suffered lead poisoning family said in 2008 lawsuit

"When news of Gray's death spread, one of Rochkind's attorneys, Ryan Naugle, remembered the name, especially when a picture of him started circulating.

Among the evidence were the results of blood tests conducted on the siblings as children that showed all of them had lead levels above the 10 micrograms per deciliter (mg/dL) that state law defines as the threshold for lead poisoning. (Experts say there are no safe levels of lead, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention consider anything above 5 mg/dL cause for concern.)

Freddie Gray, for example, was tested as having between 11 mg/dL and 19 mg/dL in six tests conducted between 1992 and 1996, court documents show.

The siblings were treated for lead at Kennedy Krieger Institute, the documents show. Relatives said Darden and her partner, Richard Shipley, who is considered the children's stepfather, tried to ameliorate the lead problem."


I'm referring to the weak bones theory that neither of these links address.

Ah sorry, I though it was pretty common knowledge that lead effects bone density.

linkies said:
From previously in this thread: CDC - Lead Health Problems Caused by Lead - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic

"Within our bodies, lead is absorbed and stored in our bones, blood, and tissues. It does not stay there permanently, rather it is stored there as a source of continual internal exposure. 1 As we age, our bones demineralize and the internal exposures may increase as a result of larger releases of lead from the bone tissue."

Here's another: Lead Poisoning

"Most lead ends up in the bone, where it causes even more problems. Lead can interfere with the production of blood cells and the absorption of calcium that bones need to grow healthy and strong. Calcium is essential for strong bones and teeth, muscle contraction, and nerve and blood vessel function.

Effects of Long-Term Lead Poisoning
Lead poisoning can lead to a variety of health problems in kids, including:
  • decreased bone and muscle growth

And effects: Health Impacts of Lead Poisoning

Bone, muscle and joint
  • Bone marrow alterations (21)
  • Myalgia [muscle pain] (25,38, 40, 53,54)
  • Muscular weakness (38, 39, 40, 25,38, 40, 21)
  • Bone lead mobilisation during menopause leads to decreased neurocognitive performance and increased systolic blood pressure in post-menopausal women (44)
  • Wrist drop [the inability to hold the hand extended] (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)
  • Long term effect: linked to osteoporosis which has symptoms of decline in bone density and increase risk in fractures, also inhibit normal fracture healing (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)

and here: Baring Bone s Secrets Understanding How Lead Exposure Affects Skeletal Development

"Among lead’s well-known developmental health effects is stunting of skeletal growth in children. Moreover, lead is known to delay fracture healing and may contribute to osteoporosis.
[...]
Given the importance of cartilage both in embryonic development and in fracture repair later in life, stimulation of chondrogenesis seems like a good thing; but if lead triggers the formation of too much cartilage at the wrong time, or prevents its further maturation into bone, this could explain lead’s crippling effects on the skeleton. And because mesenchymal cells may differentiate into a variety of cell types in addition to cartilage, lead may also affect the development of other body systems."
 
This case is all but over. The DA should drop the charges rather than go through an embarrassing trial.
 
Grays family won a court case against Stanley Rochkind over lead based paint poisoning.
If freddie really did get lead poisoning and this wasnt just another scam his bones could very well have been weakened.
I would be kind of ironic if it was just another scam and it allowed the officers to get off.
Ya. Pretty fucking funny.
The Grays claimed FTFL had weakened bones b/c of lead poisoning. They won that case. Now they're back claiming FTFL was sound as a dollar.


Do you have a link to that or is that a widely circulated rumor?

I'll know when or if you post a link if thats true

One already posted in #9 ~ Freddie Gray s life a study on the effects of lead paint on poor blacks - The Washington Post

"It wasn’t long after that he was given the first of many blood tests, court records show. The test came in May of 1990, when the family was living in a home on Fulton Avenue in West Baltimore. Even at such a young age, his blood contained more than 10 micrograms of lead per deciliter of blood — double the level at which the Center for Disease Control urges additional testing. Three months later, his blood had nearly 30 micrograms. In June 1991, when Gray was 22 months old, his blood carried 37 micrograms.

“Jesus,” Dan Levy, an assistant professor of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University who has studied the effects of lead poisoning on youths, gasped when told of Gray’s levels. “The fact that Mr. Gray had these high levels of lead in all likelihood affected his ability to think and to self-regulate and profoundly affected his cognitive ability to process information.”

Levy added, “And the real tragedy of lead is that the damage it does is irreparable.”



And here's another with a bit more indepth on the case ~ Freddie Gray and sisters suffered lead poisoning family said in 2008 lawsuit

"When news of Gray's death spread, one of Rochkind's attorneys, Ryan Naugle, remembered the name, especially when a picture of him started circulating.

Among the evidence were the results of blood tests conducted on the siblings as children that showed all of them had lead levels above the 10 micrograms per deciliter (mg/dL) that state law defines as the threshold for lead poisoning. (Experts say there are no safe levels of lead, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention consider anything above 5 mg/dL cause for concern.)

Freddie Gray, for example, was tested as having between 11 mg/dL and 19 mg/dL in six tests conducted between 1992 and 1996, court documents show.

The siblings were treated for lead at Kennedy Krieger Institute, the documents show. Relatives said Darden and her partner, Richard Shipley, who is considered the children's stepfather, tried to ameliorate the lead problem."


I'm referring to the weak bones theory that neither of these links address.

Ah sorry, I though it was pretty common knowledge that lead effects bone density.

linkies said:
From previously in this thread: CDC - Lead Health Problems Caused by Lead - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic

"Within our bodies, lead is absorbed and stored in our bones, blood, and tissues. It does not stay there permanently, rather it is stored there as a source of continual internal exposure. 1 As we age, our bones demineralize and the internal exposures may increase as a result of larger releases of lead from the bone tissue."

Here's another: Lead Poisoning

"Most lead ends up in the bone, where it causes even more problems. Lead can interfere with the production of blood cells and the absorption of calcium that bones need to grow healthy and strong. Calcium is essential for strong bones and teeth, muscle contraction, and nerve and blood vessel function.

Effects of Long-Term Lead Poisoning
Lead poisoning can lead to a variety of health problems in kids, including:
  • decreased bone and muscle growth

And effects: Health Impacts of Lead Poisoning

Bone, muscle and joint
  • Bone marrow alterations (21)
  • Myalgia [muscle pain] (25,38, 40, 53,54)
  • Muscular weakness (38, 39, 40, 25,38, 40, 21)
  • Bone lead mobilisation during menopause leads to decreased neurocognitive performance and increased systolic blood pressure in post-menopausal women (44)
  • Wrist drop [the inability to hold the hand extended] (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)
  • Long term effect: linked to osteoporosis which has symptoms of decline in bone density and increase risk in fractures, also inhibit normal fracture healing (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)

and here: Baring Bone s Secrets Understanding How Lead Exposure Affects Skeletal Development

"Among lead’s well-known developmental health effects is stunting of skeletal growth in children. Moreover, lead is known to delay fracture healing and may contribute to osteoporosis.
[...]
Given the importance of cartilage both in embryonic development and in fracture repair later in life, stimulation of chondrogenesis seems like a good thing; but if lead triggers the formation of too much cartilage at the wrong time, or prevents its further maturation into bone, this could explain lead’s crippling effects on the skeleton. And because mesenchymal cells may differentiate into a variety of cell types in addition to cartilage, lead may also affect the development of other body systems."

Yes it says fractures and osteoporosis. It also says that the fractures are tiny fractures that are healed by the body. It says nothing about weakened bones or anything about snapping bones which is what happened.

So I'm wondering why this is even brought up in the first place. Well, not really...I know why
 
Ya. Pretty fucking funny.
The Grays claimed FTFL had weakened bones b/c of lead poisoning. They won that case. Now they're back claiming FTFL was sound as a dollar.


Do you have a link to that or is that a widely circulated rumor?

I'll know when or if you post a link if thats true

One already posted in #9 ~ Freddie Gray s life a study on the effects of lead paint on poor blacks - The Washington Post

"It wasn’t long after that he was given the first of many blood tests, court records show. The test came in May of 1990, when the family was living in a home on Fulton Avenue in West Baltimore. Even at such a young age, his blood contained more than 10 micrograms of lead per deciliter of blood — double the level at which the Center for Disease Control urges additional testing. Three months later, his blood had nearly 30 micrograms. In June 1991, when Gray was 22 months old, his blood carried 37 micrograms.

“Jesus,” Dan Levy, an assistant professor of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University who has studied the effects of lead poisoning on youths, gasped when told of Gray’s levels. “The fact that Mr. Gray had these high levels of lead in all likelihood affected his ability to think and to self-regulate and profoundly affected his cognitive ability to process information.”

Levy added, “And the real tragedy of lead is that the damage it does is irreparable.”



And here's another with a bit more indepth on the case ~ Freddie Gray and sisters suffered lead poisoning family said in 2008 lawsuit

"When news of Gray's death spread, one of Rochkind's attorneys, Ryan Naugle, remembered the name, especially when a picture of him started circulating.

Among the evidence were the results of blood tests conducted on the siblings as children that showed all of them had lead levels above the 10 micrograms per deciliter (mg/dL) that state law defines as the threshold for lead poisoning. (Experts say there are no safe levels of lead, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention consider anything above 5 mg/dL cause for concern.)

Freddie Gray, for example, was tested as having between 11 mg/dL and 19 mg/dL in six tests conducted between 1992 and 1996, court documents show.

The siblings were treated for lead at Kennedy Krieger Institute, the documents show. Relatives said Darden and her partner, Richard Shipley, who is considered the children's stepfather, tried to ameliorate the lead problem."


I'm referring to the weak bones theory that neither of these links address.

Ah sorry, I though it was pretty common knowledge that lead effects bone density.

linkies said:
From previously in this thread: CDC - Lead Health Problems Caused by Lead - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic

"Within our bodies, lead is absorbed and stored in our bones, blood, and tissues. It does not stay there permanently, rather it is stored there as a source of continual internal exposure. 1 As we age, our bones demineralize and the internal exposures may increase as a result of larger releases of lead from the bone tissue."

Here's another: Lead Poisoning

"Most lead ends up in the bone, where it causes even more problems. Lead can interfere with the production of blood cells and the absorption of calcium that bones need to grow healthy and strong. Calcium is essential for strong bones and teeth, muscle contraction, and nerve and blood vessel function.

Effects of Long-Term Lead Poisoning
Lead poisoning can lead to a variety of health problems in kids, including:
  • decreased bone and muscle growth

And effects: Health Impacts of Lead Poisoning

Bone, muscle and joint
  • Bone marrow alterations (21)
  • Myalgia [muscle pain] (25,38, 40, 53,54)
  • Muscular weakness (38, 39, 40, 25,38, 40, 21)
  • Bone lead mobilisation during menopause leads to decreased neurocognitive performance and increased systolic blood pressure in post-menopausal women (44)
  • Wrist drop [the inability to hold the hand extended] (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)
  • Long term effect: linked to osteoporosis which has symptoms of decline in bone density and increase risk in fractures, also inhibit normal fracture healing (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)

and here: Baring Bone s Secrets Understanding How Lead Exposure Affects Skeletal Development

"Among lead’s well-known developmental health effects is stunting of skeletal growth in children. Moreover, lead is known to delay fracture healing and may contribute to osteoporosis.
[...]
Given the importance of cartilage both in embryonic development and in fracture repair later in life, stimulation of chondrogenesis seems like a good thing; but if lead triggers the formation of too much cartilage at the wrong time, or prevents its further maturation into bone, this could explain lead’s crippling effects on the skeleton. And because mesenchymal cells may differentiate into a variety of cell types in addition to cartilage, lead may also affect the development of other body systems."

Yes it says fractures and osteoporosis. It also says that the fractures are tiny fractures that are healed by the body. It says nothing about weakened bones or anything about snapping bones which is what happened.

So I'm wondering why this is even brought up in the first place. Well, not really...I know why

uhm... Osteoporosis - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Osteoporosis is a disease where decreased bone strength increases the risk of a broken bone."

"Osteoporosis itself has no symptoms; its main consequence is the increased risk of bone fractures. Osteoporotic fractures occur in situations where healthy people would not normally break a bone; they are therefore regarded as fragility fractures. Typical fragility fractures occur in the vertebral column, rib, hip and wrist."
 
Do you have a link to that or is that a widely circulated rumor?

I'll know when or if you post a link if thats true

One already posted in #9 ~ Freddie Gray s life a study on the effects of lead paint on poor blacks - The Washington Post

"It wasn’t long after that he was given the first of many blood tests, court records show. The test came in May of 1990, when the family was living in a home on Fulton Avenue in West Baltimore. Even at such a young age, his blood contained more than 10 micrograms of lead per deciliter of blood — double the level at which the Center for Disease Control urges additional testing. Three months later, his blood had nearly 30 micrograms. In June 1991, when Gray was 22 months old, his blood carried 37 micrograms.

“Jesus,” Dan Levy, an assistant professor of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University who has studied the effects of lead poisoning on youths, gasped when told of Gray’s levels. “The fact that Mr. Gray had these high levels of lead in all likelihood affected his ability to think and to self-regulate and profoundly affected his cognitive ability to process information.”

Levy added, “And the real tragedy of lead is that the damage it does is irreparable.”



And here's another with a bit more indepth on the case ~ Freddie Gray and sisters suffered lead poisoning family said in 2008 lawsuit

"When news of Gray's death spread, one of Rochkind's attorneys, Ryan Naugle, remembered the name, especially when a picture of him started circulating.

Among the evidence were the results of blood tests conducted on the siblings as children that showed all of them had lead levels above the 10 micrograms per deciliter (mg/dL) that state law defines as the threshold for lead poisoning. (Experts say there are no safe levels of lead, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention consider anything above 5 mg/dL cause for concern.)

Freddie Gray, for example, was tested as having between 11 mg/dL and 19 mg/dL in six tests conducted between 1992 and 1996, court documents show.

The siblings were treated for lead at Kennedy Krieger Institute, the documents show. Relatives said Darden and her partner, Richard Shipley, who is considered the children's stepfather, tried to ameliorate the lead problem."


I'm referring to the weak bones theory that neither of these links address.

Ah sorry, I though it was pretty common knowledge that lead effects bone density.

linkies said:
From previously in this thread: CDC - Lead Health Problems Caused by Lead - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic

"Within our bodies, lead is absorbed and stored in our bones, blood, and tissues. It does not stay there permanently, rather it is stored there as a source of continual internal exposure. 1 As we age, our bones demineralize and the internal exposures may increase as a result of larger releases of lead from the bone tissue."

Here's another: Lead Poisoning

"Most lead ends up in the bone, where it causes even more problems. Lead can interfere with the production of blood cells and the absorption of calcium that bones need to grow healthy and strong. Calcium is essential for strong bones and teeth, muscle contraction, and nerve and blood vessel function.

Effects of Long-Term Lead Poisoning
Lead poisoning can lead to a variety of health problems in kids, including:
  • decreased bone and muscle growth

And effects: Health Impacts of Lead Poisoning

Bone, muscle and joint
  • Bone marrow alterations (21)
  • Myalgia [muscle pain] (25,38, 40, 53,54)
  • Muscular weakness (38, 39, 40, 25,38, 40, 21)
  • Bone lead mobilisation during menopause leads to decreased neurocognitive performance and increased systolic blood pressure in post-menopausal women (44)
  • Wrist drop [the inability to hold the hand extended] (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)
  • Long term effect: linked to osteoporosis which has symptoms of decline in bone density and increase risk in fractures, also inhibit normal fracture healing (48, 49 ,50, 51, 52)

and here: Baring Bone s Secrets Understanding How Lead Exposure Affects Skeletal Development

"Among lead’s well-known developmental health effects is stunting of skeletal growth in children. Moreover, lead is known to delay fracture healing and may contribute to osteoporosis.
[...]
Given the importance of cartilage both in embryonic development and in fracture repair later in life, stimulation of chondrogenesis seems like a good thing; but if lead triggers the formation of too much cartilage at the wrong time, or prevents its further maturation into bone, this could explain lead’s crippling effects on the skeleton. And because mesenchymal cells may differentiate into a variety of cell types in addition to cartilage, lead may also affect the development of other body systems."

Yes it says fractures and osteoporosis. It also says that the fractures are tiny fractures that are healed by the body. It says nothing about weakened bones or anything about snapping bones which is what happened.

So I'm wondering why this is even brought up in the first place. Well, not really...I know why

uhm... Osteoporosis - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"Osteoporosis is a disease where decreased bone strength increases the risk of a broken bone."

"Osteoporosis itself has no symptoms; its main consequence is the increased risk of bone fractures. Osteoporotic fractures occur in situations where healthy people would not normally break a bone; they are therefore regarded as fragility fractures. Typical fragility fractures occur in the vertebral column, rib, hip and wrist."


Yeah, but his spine was severed not fractured
 
If this is true there goes murder charges right out the window. Yet another blows up in their faces

Leaked Autopsy Report Reveals Freddie Gray’s Official Cause of Death


Freddie Gray, the man who died earlier this year while in custody of Baltimore police, suffered a single “high-energy injury,” according to a leaked autopsy report obtained by the Baltimore Sun.

Gray’s mysterious death in police custody ignited riots in Baltimore and protests around the nation in late-April. Protesters suspect his death was the result of police abuse and authorities filed criminal charges against six Baltimore officers, including a second-degree murder charge against one.

According to the leaked autopsy report, the injury suffered by Gray was most likely caused when the van police were transporting him in suddenly decelerated, the Baltimore Sun reported.

Gray was not belted in the van, but was only shackled by officers and thus was “at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van,” the report said.

Leaked Autopsy Report Reveals Freddie Gray s Official Cause of Death Report TheBlaze.com

Still sounds like criminal negligence.
 

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