Leftist of today are NOT Liberal

[Pogo]

If we are going to have fun labeling parties, we can say that the "con-servatives" of today are thinly veiled fascists wanting to take away the equal rights of minorities and women.

This is fun.

I too have some issues on the right but please elaborate on what rights are being taken away from the minorities and women..... and as for women, with the recent revelations from Hollywood, the news stations and congress and Clinton you outspoken leftists do not have any legs to stand on while pretending to be the champion for women.

Trying to pretend that personal/social traits (e.g. sexual predation, e.g. racism, e.g. personality traits) are a "left" or "right" thing is just outright disingenuous.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

A party of eunuchs, the modern Republicans are.

Well, Bruce Jenner identifies as a Republican, but for the most part, it is very solidly the Democrats that are on the side of that sort of madness, and Republicans, for the most part, who are solidly opposed to it..

 

[eddiew37]

Thread summary:

Most modern Republicans are too cowardly and stupid to debate what liberals actually say, so instead they just make up crazy stories.

A party of eunuchs, the modern Republicans are. And a party of defenders of child molesters.

and pussy grabbers

 

[regent]

I would say that liberal and conservatism stem from some core beliefs, one core belief: how one feels about people, mankind or fellow man.

 

[AgentSparky]

Thread summary:

Most modern Republicans are too cowardly and stupid to debate what liberals actually say, so instead they just make up crazy stories.

A party of eunuchs, the modern Republicans are. And a party of defenders of child molesters.

Why are you going off topic. This isn't about Republicans, RINOs and conservatives. This discussion is about Liberalism of the 70s 80s and 90s vs today's modern leftism.

 

[AgentSparky]

Thread summary:

Most modern Republicans are too cowardly and stupid to debate what liberals actually say, so instead they just make up crazy stories.

A party of eunuchs, the modern Republicans are. And a party of defenders of child molesters.

and pussy grabbers

That's right because Trump said, when you're a star, they (keyword) let you. Ity's not like he took a picture of himself grabbing someone's boobs while she's passed out on the plane.

 

[mamooth]

Why are you going off topic. This isn't about Republicans, RINOs and conservatives. This discussion is about Liberalism of the 70s 80s and 90s vs today's modern leftism.

The topic was a big lie, so by pointing that out, I'm directly addressing the topic.

Do you understand that you're lying, or have you just been brainwashed into parroting such stupid propaganda?

I should have emphasized how modern Republicans are liars, as well as cowards and pervs. If you want to know what a Republican is thinking, simply observe what he accuses liberals of doing. Works every time.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

Here's a really good Mises piece on this very topic. I've shared it a few times around here in one hole or another.

Ludwig von Mises and the Real Meaning of Liberalism - 'Liberalism' has become one of the most widely misused words in the American political lexicon.

That's not the 'real' meaning of Liberalism; that's the obsolete meaning of Liberalism.

In other words, you are no longer Liberal. You are what progressed into the far radical modern leftist of today.

Wrong. The term Liberal stayed with liberalism as liberalism changed.

 

[regent]

The

Thread summary:

Most modern Republicans are too cowardly and stupid to debate what liberals actually say, so instead they just make up crazy stories.

A party of eunuchs, the modern Republicans are. And a party of defenders of child molesters.

Why are you going off topic. This isn't about Republicans, RINOs and conservatives. This discussion is about Liberalism of the 70s 80s and 90s vs today's modern leftism.

Liberal and conservative beliefs are pretty constant and not subject to much change. The liberal of today pretty much believes in the same core beliefs as the liberal of 1750. What does change, however, is the constant arrival of new ideas and methods and liberals and conservatives must view those change from their ideology, and support or fight the change.

 

[jillian]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

what "free speech" has been shut down?

the trump nazis get to scream as much as they want. but when people say hate-filled, ignorant, evil, moronic things, there are repercussions. Why? because anyone can be as stupid as they want... but it's going to come back at them?

but let's talk about the trumptards stomping on the freedom of speech of anyone who isn't white, straight, christian and male? some football players exercise their right to protest the unpunished killing of unarmed black males. what happens? the orange imbecile and his henchpeople throw an insane hissy fit.

or is free speech only for white supremacists?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

what "free speech" has been shut down?

the trump nazis get to scream as much as they want. but when people say hate-filled, ignorant, evil, moronic things, there are repercussions. Why? because anyone can be as stupid as they want... but it's going to come back at them?

but let's talk about the trumptards stomping on the freedom of speech of anyone who isn't white, straight, christian and male? some football players exercise their right to protest the unpunished killing of unarmed black males. what happens? the orange imbecile and his henchpeople throw an insane hissy fit.

or is free speech only for white supremacists?

It’s the same ignorance of the law common to most on the right: conservatives who don’t understand that the right to free speech concerns solely the relationship between government and those governed, not between and among private persons and organizations.

One private citizen cannot ‘violate’ the free speech rights of another private person; private citizens who oppose the hate speech of rightwing bigots do not have the authority to ‘shut down’ hate speech.

 

[regent]

Weird

Communism doesn't believe in a private sector, private property and normally only has one central party.(examples, Cuba)

We liberals are social democrats in the style of western Europe at our furthest left.

What do you want? To ban unions, let the poor die on the street and to kill off our public education system??

Your agenda is one of the rich.

Do you realize that the republican party was left of the current democrats in the 1950's? Pro-union, pro science and pro infrastructure? That is where you're wrong as you are a brainwashed idiot without a clue of what you're talking about. And no there's no reason for me to be nice to you as your kind wouldn't listen or care if I was.

The "Liberals" of today are Progressive Socialists. That means they want the Government to rule and to control every aspect of every citizens lives, plus, follow Alinsky's playbook religiously. That is as simple as anyone can define today's Liberalist Pukes who call themselves Democrats. .

It seems the liberals of today want to use the government to aid their lives as the conservatives, under royalty, used government to help the noble class.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Weird

Communism doesn't believe in a private sector, private property and normally only has one central party.(examples, Cuba)

We liberals are social democrats in the style of western Europe at our furthest left.

What do you want? To ban unions, let the poor die on the street and to kill off our public education system??

Your agenda is one of the rich.

Do you realize that the republican party was left of the current democrats in the 1950's? Pro-union, pro science and pro infrastructure? That is where you're wrong as you are a brainwashed idiot without a clue of what you're talking about. And no there's no reason for me to be nice to you as your kind wouldn't listen or care if I was.

The "Liberals" of today are Progressive Socialists. That means they want the Government to rule and to control every aspect of every citizens lives, plus, follow Alinsky's playbook religiously. That is as simple as anyone can define today's Liberalist Pukes who call themselves Democrats. .

It seems the liberals of today want to use the government to aid their lives as the conservatives, under royalty, used government to help the noble class.

Civilization has always been about using the government for the good of the people. Rome built methods of moving water around, roads and Greece the same...China during the 8th,9th, 10th, 11th, 12, 13th centuries invested in science, and spain invested in exploration of the world.

Don't let the loserterian fill your head full of this idea that the government has never invested in its people before.

 

[AgentSparky]

what "free speech" has been shut down?

You're kidding, right? Are you really going to claim ignorance to all the Berkley and NYC incidents this year?

the trump nazis get to scream as much as they want

.there you go screaming Nazi Nazi Nazi .... thanks for proving my point that I was making in my original post.

but when people say hate-filled, ignorant, evil, moronic things,.

And who are you to declare what speech is " hate-filled, ignorant, evil"?

there are repercussions. .

You mean getting punched in the face, pepper sprayed or getting their skull cracked open by a bicycle lock by radical leftists Yes, you're so right about the repercussions.

First Why? because anyone can be as stupid as they want... but it's going to come back at them?.

Yes because God forbid someone says something that you disagree with and triggers you.

but let's talk about the trumptards stomping on the freedom of speech of anyone who isn't white, straight, christian and male?.

Yes lets talk about that. Please enlighten me by citing some examples of "trumptard" stomping on the freedom of speech of anyone who isn't white, straight, christian and male!

some football players exercise their right to protest the unpunished killing of unarmed black males. what happens? the orange imbecile and his henchpeople throw an insane hissy fit.

You mean snowflake footballs players kneeling and disrespecting the flag and all that served and died during the national anthem?t. Oh and Newsflash: it's not just Trump supporters that are appalled at the pathetic display of disrespect and rightfully calling them out on it. The empty seats and the ratings of the games on TV with viewership spiking down seems to support that .

Oh and get this... the kneeling race baiting snowflakes aren't getting punched in the face punched in nor pepper sprayed nor getting their skull cracked open by a bicycle lock by the people that are appalled by their disrespect,

or is free speech only for white supremacists?

Serously!!!!! You sound so brainwashed. Who or what put these thoughts in your head?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Agenet I'll admit that we need to readopt the policies of FDR and Johnson!

Rebuild our unions
Enforce anti-trust laws
Fight for the little guy
Bring our jobs back!
Rebuild our middle class

 

[Chuz Life]

Interesting read.

What Exactly Is a 'Liberal'?

 

[EverCurious]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

I'm just gonna say I feel for you man. I used to have a lot of respect for "classical" liberals, like my mother, and I've spent much of my life fighting for the "middle" compromise between right and left on social and fiscal issues. The modern left, in my honest opinion, has lost their fucking mind, as well as their "rudder" for what they stand for.

A belated welcome to the middle I, it sucks ass because you have to compromise some of your beliefs sometimes, but I personally can't see there being a "truer" way to be politically. (regardless of if you're a fiscal right or a social right, a social conservative or left, etc.) To join either [R or D] party these days seems to be an all or nothing proposition, which goes entirely against my personal belief in human individuality.

 

[Chuz Life]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

I'm just gonna say I feel for you man. I used to have a lot of respect for "classical" liberals, like my mother, and I've spent much of my life fighting for the "middle" compromise between right and left on social and fiscal issues. The modern left, in my honest opinion, has lost their fucking mind, as well as their "rudder" for what they stand for.

A belated welcome to the middle I, it sucks ass because you have to compromise some of your beliefs sometimes, but I personally can't see there being a "truer" way to be politically. (regardless of if you're a fiscal right or a social right, a social conservative or left, etc.) To join either [R or D] party these days seems to be an all or nothing proposition, which goes entirely against my personal belief in human individuality.

Totally agree with you about how they lost their rudder.

It's pretty sad and revealing when they take the position that gays have more of a Constitutional right to get married than a child in the womb has to their life or to the equal protections of our laws.

 

[AgentSparky]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

I'm just gonna say I feel for you man. I used to have a lot of respect for "classical" liberals, like my mother, and I've spent much of my life fighting for the "middle" compromise between right and left on social and fiscal issues. The modern left, in my honest opinion, has lost their fucking mind, as well as their "rudder" for what they stand for.

A belated welcome to the middle I, it sucks ass because you have to compromise some of your beliefs sometimes, but I personally can't see there being a "truer" way to be politically. (regardless of if you're a fiscal right or a social right, a social conservative or left, etc.) To join either [R or D] party these days seems to be an all or nothing proposition, which goes entirely against my personal belief in human individuality.

Thanks Also it sounds like you still have respect for classic Liberals and I'm assuming that I share a lot of Liberal view as your mother did. I don't know if I can say that the modern left has lost their minds.... perhaps some. It seems more like brainwashed, rewired and radicalized by something or someone. I, an 80s, 90s and early 2000s Liberal who still holds most of my same liberal views from that era can't even have a discussion with modern leftist without being called a racist or a nazi, It's so baffling.

 

[EverCurious]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

I'm just gonna say I feel for you man. I used to have a lot of respect for "classical" liberals, like my mother, and I've spent much of my life fighting for the "middle" compromise between right and left on social and fiscal issues. The modern left, in my honest opinion, has lost their fucking mind, as well as their "rudder" for what they stand for.

A belated welcome to the middle I, it sucks ass because you have to compromise some of your beliefs sometimes, but I personally can't see there being a "truer" way to be politically. (regardless of if you're a fiscal right or a social right, a social conservative or left, etc.) To join either [R or D] party these days seems to be an all or nothing proposition, which goes entirely against my personal belief in human individuality.

Totally agree with you about how they lost their rudder.

It's pretty sad and revealing when they take the position that gays have more of a Constitutional right to get married than a child in the womb has to their life or to the equal protections of our laws.

That's the rub. They don't see a child in the womb as a child, so to them it's not like that. Same thing with gays getting married too really, you see it as a sin, they see it as "celebrating love."

Its always difficult to see the "other" side, it's harder still when you have deeply held beliefs. I'd say that we all need some lessons about respecting others beliefs when it comes to the "big picture" of a nation. I know there's some stuff you just cannot compromise on - the idea that conception begins life is probably one of them (gay marriage isn't on the same level imo) That's one that we should probably leave off the FED rule, and leave it to individual states, or cities maybe IMHO, but I know what you're saying, even if I happen to be on the other side of that issue... I'm a my body, my choice sort - but not without some fucking rules; for example, fathers should have a say in having a kid or not [aka we need some kind of mens abortion rights, both for having and not having], and it ain't fucking birth control it's a damned serious decision (and indeed I do believe it's killing, but I suppose you could say I see it more along the lines of... euthanasia for pets because really there's no other comparison. Hard decision but sometimes it /is/ for the best of everyone, including the child - can't force a mom to want a baby she doesn't want, and she'll treat that kid like fucking shit, just like my husbands father was "forced" to marry his mother because of their pregnancy, he treated my husband like dog shit his entire life because of that.)

I guess the bottom line is that it's impossible to stay true to /everyone's/ beliefs.