Leftist of today are NOT Liberal

[jon_berzerk]

Liberals used to be America loving people, today they are anti American communists

indeed

the democrat party of today

is several hate groups strung together

 

[AgentSparky]

Totally agree with you about how they lost their rudder.

It's pretty sad and revealing when they take the position that gays have more of a Constitutional right to get married than a child in the womb has to their life or to the equal protections of our laws.

I always supported gay marriage even long before Hillary and Obama did and still do and it's a done deal and it will will never be over turned.

As for abortions, I guess I'm slightly leaning pro choice. I don't like abortions, I find it somewhat disturbing but I believe it should be up to families and the woman to make that decision not the government nor any organized religions although I believe christian hospitals should be exempted from performing abortions ........... also tax payers should NOT be obligated to pay for them. If someone wants an abortion, they, themselves should pay for it. Also go to a community general Hospital instead of harassing a Saint Mary's Hospital run by nuns who clearly can't allow that procedure because it's against their religion.

no one "likes" abortion". the sole question is when does the governmental interest overtake that of the person whose body it is. you don't have to like it. you have to accept that some decisions aren't the province of government.

end of story.

Isn't that basically what I just said in my post that you quoted ? We seem to be on the same page except that the person should pay for their own abortion instead of using tax payers and they should seek a community general facility instead of a christian one..

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Weird

Communism doesn't believe in a private sector, private property and normally only has one central party.(examples, Cuba)

We liberals are social democrats in the style of western Europe at our furthest left.

What do you want? To ban unions, let the poor die on the street and to kill off our public education system??

Your agenda is one of the rich.

Do you realize that the republican party was left of the current democrats in the 1950's? Pro-union, pro science and pro infrastructure? That is where you're wrong as you are a brainwashed idiot without a clue of what you're talking about. And no there's no reason for me to be nice to you as your kind wouldn't listen or care if I was.

Social Democrats are fucking commies.

It's the same thing.

You try to act like it's not the same thing, but you are either incredibly dishonest (likely) or naive.

It is the same motherfucking thing, with the same motherfucking result. Authoritarian statism with little power in the individual to resist.

Social Democracy is today's biggest enemy of freedom.

 

[AgentSparky]

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

You're exactly right, they're not liberal, they're illiberal leftist authoritarians. They're Regressive Leftists.

Liberals are open-minded, curious, tolerant and positive. Regressives are closed-minded, incurious, intolerant and hateful. You'll see many Regressives on this board.

Here's some good news for you: You're not alone. Here are some actual, honest liberals who are horrified by what has happened to the Left. You're in good company in your opinion. The first is the liberal Brit who coined the term "Regressive Left":
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Thanks again. Yes I mentioned David Rubin in my previous posts and I'm a fan of the Rubin Report. It's hard to believe that he was ever a Young Turk alongside Cenk. .I also like some of Sargon of Akkad (Carl Benjamin) videos as well. I don't agree with all their points but that beauty of real Liberalism to respectfully agree or disagree.

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[EverCurious]

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

You're exactly right, they're not liberal, they're illiberal leftist authoritarians. They're Regressive Leftists.

Liberals are open-minded, curious, tolerant and positive. Regressives are closed-minded, incurious, intolerant and hateful. You'll see many Regressives on this board.

Here's some good news for you: You're not alone. Here are some actual, honest liberals who are horrified by what has happened to the Left. You're in good company in your opinion. The first is the liberal Brit who coined the term "Regressive Left":
.

Thanks again. Yes I mentioned David Rubin in my previous posts and I'm a fan of the Rubin Report. It's hard to believe that he was ever a Young Turk alongside Cenk. .I also like some of Sargon of Akkad (Carl Benjamin) videos as well. I don't agree with all their points but that beauty of real Liberalism to respectfully agree or disagree.

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My husband (hard right) and I watch DeFranco (classical liberal) and No Bullshit (right, when he talks about politics) every night.

 

[Hossfly]

Weird

Communism doesn't believe in a private sector, private property and normally only has one central party.(examples, Cuba)

We liberals are social democrats in the style of western Europe at our furthest left.

What do you want? To ban unions, let the poor die on the street and to kill off our public education system??

Your agenda is one of the rich.

Do you realize that the republican party was left of the current democrats in the 1950's? Pro-union, pro science and pro infrastructure? That is where you're wrong as you are a brainwashed idiot without a clue of what you're talking about. And no there's no reason for me to be nice to you as your kind wouldn't listen or care if I was.

The "Liberals" of today are Progressive Socialists. That means they want the Government to rule and to control every aspect of every citizens lives, plus, follow Alinsky's playbook religiously. That is as simple as anyone can define today's Liberalist Pukes who call themselves Democrats. .

You're right except I disagree with the "Liberalist Pukes" comment because that is not the Liberalism that I grew up with during the 70s 80s and 90s.

That's basically what I said. I was a Democrat until Jimmah "P-nut" ran for POTUS.

 

[AgentSparky]

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

You're exactly right, they're not liberal, they're illiberal leftist authoritarians. They're Regressive Leftists.

Liberals are open-minded, curious, tolerant and positive. Regressives are closed-minded, incurious, intolerant and hateful. You'll see many Regressives on this board.

Here's some good news for you: You're not alone. Here are some actual, honest liberals who are horrified by what has happened to the Left. You're in good company in your opinion. The first is the liberal Brit who coined the term "Regressive Left":
.

Thanks again. Yes I mentioned David Rubin in my previous posts and I'm a fan of the Rubin Report. It's hard to believe that he was ever a Young Turk alongside Cenk. .I also like some of Sargon of Akkad (Carl Benjamin) videos as well. I don't agree with all their points but that beauty of real Liberalism to respectfully agree or disagree.

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My husband (hard right) and I watch DeFranco (classical liberal) and No Bullshit (right, when he talks about politics) every night.

Are you referring to Philip 'What's up all you beautiful bastards" DeFranco? I watch his videos and always pegged him as centrist? I also recommend checking Tim Pool. He's an independent journalist and probably the most fair-minded..

 

[EverCurious]

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

You're exactly right, they're not liberal, they're illiberal leftist authoritarians. They're Regressive Leftists.

Liberals are open-minded, curious, tolerant and positive. Regressives are closed-minded, incurious, intolerant and hateful. You'll see many Regressives on this board.

Here's some good news for you: You're not alone. Here are some actual, honest liberals who are horrified by what has happened to the Left. You're in good company in your opinion. The first is the liberal Brit who coined the term "Regressive Left":
.

Thanks again. Yes I mentioned David Rubin in my previous posts and I'm a fan of the Rubin Report. It's hard to believe that he was ever a Young Turk alongside Cenk. .I also like some of Sargon of Akkad (Carl Benjamin) videos as well. I don't agree with all their points but that beauty of real Liberalism to respectfully agree or disagree.

• 

My husband (hard right) and I watch DeFranco (classical liberal) and No Bullshit (right, when he talks about politics) every night.

Are you referring to Philip 'What's up all you beautiful bastards" DeFranco? I watch his videos and always pegged him as centrist? I also recommend checking Tim Pool. He's an independent journalist and probably the most fair-minded..

Yeah - love that beautiful bastards line heh

Naw he's classical liberal, which is the new centrist independent. He def. leans left (vs I lean right)

 

[EverCurious]

AgentSparky

Okay, Tim Pool might have my number with the first video that came up for him is "How fact based news got taken over by fake news" -- I hate the media and I've been saying the same kind of shit he points out for ages [media bias twisting, op eds vs news, etc.] Plus he totally used my favorite word with partisan hacks "disingenuous" heh



Thanks for the tip! I'll check out his other stuff after I finish writing up my round table topic for tonight (I'm so far behind because of Thanksgiving) >.<

 

[jillian]

Behold, the modern liberal.

As for tolerance of free speech, what would the left have done if someone did this to Obama?

So the modern "conservative wears a kkk hood, loser?

This is the problem with uneducated uninformed hate-filled trumptards. You attribute your own slime to everyone else.

 

[AgentSparky]

no, sparky. I'm not kidding. but I am bored of whiny little trumptard snowflakes constantly complaining.... and then calling everyone else snowflakes.

The reasons why the left are being called snowflakes is because they're are the ones that rioted after they lost the election. They're the ones that rioted on inauguration day and they're ones that organizing the group screaming to the sky every November 9th afterwards. It was the left that couldn't go to class for the for the rest of the week following the election on campuses across America and requested safe spaces and counseling. The left has rightfully earned the "Snowflake" title

I don't recall the right going out and rioting after Obama won both elections. Sure there were Teaparty rallies but they mostly peaceful with no riots. There were a few fights that broke out due to leftists crashing their rallies and instigating trouble.

it's a good way to not have to discuss your ignorant uninformed positions.

So is calling everyone that you disagree with Nazis, Racists and Trumptard. And speaking of Trumptards , I have another Newsflash for you. There was no way that Trump could have won Florida, Penn and the the rust belt states unless those SAME PEOPLE that voted for Obama back in 2008 and 2012 then decided to vote for Trump in 2016. Yes the same people voted for Trump previously voted for TWICE for Obama and those people are neither Obamabots nor Trumptards. They're independent swing voters that vote on what they believe to be their best interest so let that sink in for a while.

so thanks for letting us all know that you think standing up to shooting unarmed black males is being a "snowflake"..

No i was letting you know that rioting after the election and during the inauguration and rioting and punching people in the face at Berkley is being a snowflake. And here's an additional Newsflash.- More WHITE people are gunned down by the police every year than black people.

feel free to file your complaints in the circular file. because angry white christian male bigots never like anyone with brown skin standing up to them..

There you go again posting about your disdain for white people. What are you racist? Also what exactly is it that white people are doing to keep people of color down. Please explain.

same thing happened when they wanted to vote..

Who is it that is keeping black people from voting? Do know how ridiculous you sound?

and no, these young men aren't shot because they don't "follow orders" from cops.

No , they got shot for either for resisting arrest and threatening cops.... the same reasons why the white people who were gunned down by cops.

so instead of whining about snowflakes, sparky, maybe you should try to actually be a decent person .

I do consider myself a decent person.

and think about what it would mean to have to tell your son that he is not going to be treated like white people

If Affirmative Action is any indication then yes you're right. They won't be treated like white people. They'll be treated better. ... also what is it with your constant hamming on white people?

and always, always has to be worried that he'll be shot for no reason.

Wow!!! That is truly a messed up thing to do to your kid. I truly feel sorry for him being raised by a hateful angry fear mongering racist bigot.

other people matter besides angry white male christian supremacists.

Racist much?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Classical liberals saw government as a threat to the private sector. The liberals of later saw that government was a necessary protection against the private sector.

That is the difference refined to its essence.

 

[AgentSparky]

Classical liberals saw government as a threat to the private sector. The liberals of later saw that government was a necessary protection against the private sector.

That is the difference refined to its essence.

That's a great example. Many leftists of today seems to have contempt for the private sector and small businesses. However, I still can no longer can bring myself to call modern leftism as Liberals because they go against every Liberal principles that I grew up with.

 

[regent]

Classical liberals saw government as a threat to the private sector. The liberals of later saw that government was a necessary protection against the private sector.

That is the difference refined to its essence.

That's a great example. Many leftists of today seems to have contempt for the private sector and small businesses. However, I still can no longer can bring myself to call modern leftism as Liberals because they go against every Liberal principles that I grew up with.

I wonder what those liberal principles were that you grew up with, and should those terns that you grew up with be the definition of liberalism?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Classical liberals saw government as a threat to the private sector. The liberals of later saw that government was a necessary protection against the private sector.

That is the difference refined to its essence.

That's a great example. Many leftists of today seems to have contempt for the private sector and small businesses. However, I still can no longer can bring myself to call modern leftism as Liberals because they go against every Liberal principles that I grew up with.

You grew up in the 19th century? lol

 

[imawhosure]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

Here's a really good Mises piece on this very topic. I've shared it a few times around here in one hole or another.

Ludwig von Mises and the Real Meaning of Liberalism - 'Liberalism' has become one of the most widely misused words in the American political lexicon.

That's not the 'real' meaning of Liberalism; that's the obsolete meaning of Liberalism.

We know Carebear, they are now aligned with Communism light. See, we agree on something!

 

[imawhosure]

Thread summary:

Most modern Republicans are too cowardly and stupid to debate what liberals actually say, so instead they just make up crazy stories.

A party of eunuchs, the modern Republicans are. And a party of defenders of child molesters.

You are a phony. Every time you people debate anything, you bring race, or Balkanization. You do not see us all as Americans, you attempt to pit on group against the other, then whichever is stronger, you champion.

 

[Thinker101]

Thread summary:

Most modern Republicans are too cowardly and stupid to debate what liberals actually say, so instead they just make up crazy stories.

A party of eunuchs, the modern Republicans are. And a party of defenders of child molesters.

Hmmm...that's because you fricken liberals throw out 30 totally different subjects in a single breath.

 

[imawhosure]

I was once a proud card carrying Liberal Democrat during the late 80s all throughout the 90s and it wasn't until the aftermath of 911 that I switched to become a registered Independent.



However I still hold to most of those same Liberal views but today during these presents times I don't have that much in common with the majority of my leftist friends and relatives when it comes to their leftists views. Sure back in the day then there were far leftists fringes that wanted communism and there were the Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground terrorists bombing buildings and also race baiting hustlers such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson but even back then the majority of Liberals and denounced them and rightfully so. Today the majority of leftists embraces them and hails them as heroes and even embracing Marxism, Socialism and Communism. Back in the day, we wanted bigger government but no where close to the extreme that Obama expanded government. We use to support immigration and wanted to help productive illegals and other productive green carders from other nations to become citizens. However, back in the day we never supported open borders and giving tax payers funded welfare to criminals.



Back in the day, free speech was the cornerstone of Liberalism and today most leftists wants to shut down anyone with opposing views falsely claiming hate speech. In fact most leftists supports and endorses Antifa and their violence against anyone and everyone with opposing views. Back in the day, Liberals would never condone their actions.



Identity Politics and categorizing people's race, gender and sexual preferences of today's leftism also goes against old school Liberalism. What ever happen to the classic all men and women of all races, genders and sexual orientation of being equal instead of the special treatment that they demand today and to now vilify white straight men in the most hateful racist manner ? It goes against Martin Luther King jr's dream of people being judge by their content of their character instead of color of their skin. The SJW of today are so insufferable. They're divisive and are setting race relations back to pre civil rights era. Black Lives Matter is clearly a hateful, racist anti white, violent anarchist organization. They block freeways, they riot and burn down buildings looting and destroying people's businesses and inspiring the fringe elements to kill cops and the majority of the left supports them and smear and labels anyone and everyone that criticizes or condemns BLM as racists. Old school liberalism would have condemn BLM just as much as the KKK and the neo Nazis and rightfully so.



Also gone are the Liberal Democratic politicians fighting for the blue collared working class workers and has previously put Americans first. Now they put special interest groups and illegal immigrants ahead of the working middle class.

Those are just some examples.

Am I right? Where am I going wrong?

what "free speech" has been shut down?

the trump nazis get to scream as much as they want. but when people say hate-filled, ignorant, evil, moronic things, there are repercussions. Why? because anyone can be as stupid as they want... but it's going to come back at them?

but let's talk about the trumptards stomping on the freedom of speech of anyone who isn't white, straight, christian and male? some football players exercise their right to protest the unpunished killing of unarmed black males. what happens? the orange imbecile and his henchpeople throw an insane hissy fit.

or is free speech only for white supremacists?

But HOW did they shut down free speech by complaining? Did they break windows? Did they threaten people with bodily harm like the left?

Nope!

All they did is use their right to quit consuming their product. What is wrong with that?

So now what? You not only are going to FORCE us to purchase the healthcare YOU want us to buy, you are also going to try and force us to watch football?

 

[Mac1958]

Social Democrats are fucking commies. It's the same thing.

The analogues Social Democrats use constantly are countries like Finland, Sweden, Germany.

Would you say those are communist countries?
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