35 trillion and counting

[Harpy Eagle]

Congress needs to be suspended until the debt is handled

have you ever voted for a presidential candidate that wanted to lower the US debt?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Twice as much spending, nothing to show for it. Trump was a fiscal catastrophe.

Well, the numbers don’t look like that. Look at the numbers from investopedia, Biden has already outspent Trump, and we still have 130 days to go

 

[ThisIsMe]

We are.

"A new paper shows that racial and ethnic inequalities have cost the US economy $51 trillion in lost output since 1990. Persistent gaps in rates of employment, education, and earnings are key drivers of this. The paper maps out what GDP would have been if gaps in the labour market didn't exist."

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/09/racial-and-ethnic-inequality-has-cost-us-economy-51-trillion-since-1990/#:~:text=A%20new%20paper%20shows%20that%20racial%20and%20ethnic,if%20gaps%20in%20the%20labour%20market%20didn%27t%20exist.

The economic gains from equity | Brookings

Longstanding racial and ethnic disparities in the United States have depressed U.S. economic output by trillions of dollars over the past 30 years, according to a new BPEA study.

www.brookings.edu

This has nothing to do with money actually spent in each administration.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Well, the numbers don’t look like that. Look at the numbers from investopedia, Biden has already outspent Trump, and we still have 130 days to go

every president outspends the one that came before them. Trump outspent Obama, Obama outspent Bush II.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Debt is debt is debt. No, we did not have to spend it. It was spent to try and influence people's votes.

The Pentagon cannot account for $6 Trillion! Bribes and Secret Space Program most likely

There are Federal Agencies that need to be terminated

There are more 3 and 4 Star Generals than at the height of WWII. We have North Korean military Brass, but are out of 155mm ammunition

We're funding the stupidest projects all over the world but 1 in 4 Americans are now skipping meals due to cost

 

[Moonglow]

Just:

1. Rebuilt our dilapidated military
2. Vastly fixed the VA
3. Largely found a way to secure our border
4. Addressed huge trade imbalances
5. Reinvigorated American manufacturing
6. Reduced government regulations stifling industry
7. Eliminated ISIS
8. Kept Russia, N. Korea and China at bay keeping the world at peace
9. Created the Space Force
10. Raised the national standard of living
11. Gave us the best economy ever
12. Lowered crime
13. Got other nations to pay their fair share into NATO
14. Arranged with the Taliban to stop killing our soldiers and an agreement for us to pull out of Afghanistan after 20 years
15. And took on a global pandemic, kept us to only the 18th in the world fatalities per population and cut red tape to allow the creation of a vaccine in record time.

Fact Sheet - The Historic Results of President Donald J. Trump's First Two Years in Office | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

Crime was not lowered during Trump it increased in 2020, murder rose by thirty percent.

Trump Misleads About Crime and Public Safety, Again

The former president took the stage at CPAC to paint a bleak and highly misleading portrait of crime and public safety.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[pknopp]

The Pentagon cannot account for $6 Trillion! Bribes and Secret Space Program most likely

There are Federal Agencies that need to be terminated

There are more 3 and 4 Star Generals than at the height of WWII. We have North Korean military Brass, but are out of 155mm ammunition

We're funding the stupidest projects all over the world but 1 in 4 Americans are now skipping meals due to cost

Sure and this has been going on for decades. But we continue to re-elect those who promise to address it and do nothing.

 

[Moonglow]

The Pentagon cannot account for $6 Trillion! Bribes and Secret Space Program most likely

There are Federal Agencies that need to be terminated

There are more 3 and 4 Star Generals than at the height of WWII. We have North Korean military Brass, but are out of 155mm ammunition

We're funding the stupidest projects all over the world but 1 in 4 Americans are now skipping meals due to cost

No, we are not out of 155mm howitzer shells.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Debt is debt is debt. No, we did not have to spend it. It was spent to try and influence people's votes.

Covid spending ended up being a necessity, if trump hadn’t spent that money, think of all of the people who would have suffered.

If trump hadn’t spent that money, the blame the left heaped upon him would have been immense.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The Pentagon cannot account for $6 Trillion! Bribes and Secret Space Program most likely

There are Federal Agencies that need to be terminated

There are more 3 and 4 Star Generals than at the height of WWII. We have North Korean military Brass, but are out of 155mm ammunition

We're funding the stupidest projects all over the world but 1 in 4 Americans are now skipping meals due to cost

and who are you voting for that is going to fix any of this?

 

[Moonglow]

Covid spending ended up being a necessity, if trump hadn’t spent that money, think of all of the people who would have suffered.

If trump hadn’t spent that money, the blame the left heaped upon him would have been immense.

What a load.

 

[Moonglow]

and who are you voting for that is going to fix any of this?

Trump is their answer to everything they claim needs fixed.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump is their answer to everything they claim needs fixed.

That is what he tells them, and as cult members they do not question it.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Sure and this has been going on for decades. But we continue to re-elect those who promise to address it and do nothing.

and this election will be more of the same

 

[ThisIsMe]

What a load.

…of truth! Thanks Moonglow!

The fact is, blue cities and democrats in general wanted to lock everything down, and some red cities too, everyone was told to stay at home, don’t go to work, all that. The economy was seriously stalled.

It is true that had Trump not spent that money, the dems would be here blaming him for all the harm that was caused because of it.

 

[ThisIsMe]

That is what he tells them, and as cult members they do not question it.

Hmm, both sides believe in their leaders, don’t they….

 

[gipper]

At the end of 2017, rational debt was 20 trillion, at the end of 2020, debt was 27 trillion

So 7 trillion attributed to Trump

At the end of 2021 debt was 28 trillion, currently, debt has crossed 35 trillion and we still have 5 months left. So let’s say 36 to 37 trillion by the time Biden leaves office..

So that’s 8 to 9 trillion attributed to Biden

4 trillion of trumps spending was Covid spending..

So….who’s worse on the debt?

U.S. National Debt by Year

The U.S. national debt is the total of what the federal government owes creditors. The U.S. has always carried debt, but the total has expanded rapidly since 2008.

www.investopedia.com

And yet millions of Americans suffer in poverty and homeless, our infrastructure is failing, millions lack healthcare, and on and on. However, the 1% and their big corporations are doing great.

What a country!!!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Hmm, both sides believe in their leaders, don’t they….

your point?

 

[pknopp]

Covid spending ended up being a necessity,

No it was not.

if trump hadn’t spent that money, think of all of the people who would have suffered.

We have a guarantee against temporary pain?

As has been noted many times. Tom Brady was gave nearly a million dollars. Do you think he would have suffered without this?

If trump hadn’t spent that money, the blame the left heaped upon him would have been immense.

Probably so, that's politics. We should elect someone that will do what is right even if it comes with the other side condemning them.

 

[Moonglow]

…of truth! Thanks Moonglow!

The fact is, blue cities and democrats in general wanted to lock everything down, and some red cities too, everyone was told to stay at home, don’t go to work, all that. The economy was seriously stalled.

It is true that had Trump not spent that money, the dems would be here blaming him for all the harm that was caused because of it.

Your slanted opinion is noted. Trump did not have to go along with it if he didn't want to and he spent money over budget every year he was president.
Trump started the ball rolling by declaring a national health emergency and invoicing the game plane of a pandemic. The states, all of them followed suit, so this nonsense of red and blue is a factional illogical conclusion.