Levin: Repeal the 17th Amendment

[eagle1462010]

The Federalist Papers - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Index of the Federalist papers. For all to see.

They are quite clear on what they wanted and I used 45 specifically as he made it quite clear there that he wanted very limited Federal Gov't.

The Federalist Papers - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

The very title of 45 says it all.

The Alleged Danger From the Powers of the Union to the State Governments Considered
For the Independent Journal.

In this article he made it crystal clear what he thought about it.
Author: James Madison

 

[eagle1462010]

Rightwingshitflinger (Sewerboy)...you just stay with your notion as old memories of the USSR creep into your psyche...the Roman Empire perhaps is more to your taste?

The Founders absolutely DID something untried...but here YOU are advocating old tired crap that has failed every time it's been tried.

Accept your failure and cease trying to make the Founders' experiment FAIL so you will feel at home.

Got it?

Sorry, but the United States has not failed

Starting after the Great Depression, we have established ourselves as a modern society. A society that cares about all Americans. Society that is not just for wealthy, white Christians.

Conservatism is what has failed. That conservatism survives at all is only because its tied itself to the interests of the wealthy,

and money, the root of all evil, is also the root of most power.


As I've a few times, the most worthwhile purpose of democratic government is to limit the political power of wealth. That's really all there is to it.

The Founding Fathers disagree with you.

I disagree with you.

We allowed the Gov't to Grow unchecked until we are literally destroying ourselves.

Which is exactly why the Liberty Amendments are being discussed. Their purpose to limit the Federal Gov't and bring back sanity to our country.

 

[Toro]

Dear Americans

You can't be trusted to vote for your Senator. You're idiots.

The Republican Party​

Good one.

 

[Toro]

The Federalist Papers - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Index of the Federalist papers. For all to see.

They are quite clear on what they wanted and I used 45 specifically as he made it quite clear there that he wanted very limited Federal Gov't.

The Federalist Papers - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

The very title of 45 says it all.

The Alleged Danger From the Powers of the Union to the State Governments Considered
For the Independent Journal.

In this article he made it crystal clear what he thought about it.
Author: James Madison

Knock, knock.

 

[rightwinger]

Dear Americans

You can't be trusted to vote for your Senator. You're idiots.

The Republican Party​

Good one.

Actually, they only think that 47% of Americans are idiots

 

[eagle1462010]

LIBERALS Q: What do you get when you offer a Liberal a penny for his thoughts? A: Change.

Q: How do you confuse a Liberal? A: You don't. They're born that way.

Q: Why is it good to have a Liberal passenger? A: You can park in the handicap zone.

Q: What's the difference between Elvis and a smart Liberal? A: Elvis has been sighted.

A Liberal died and a friend went around collecting for a fund for his funeral. A woman was asked to donate ten dollars. "Ten dollars?" she said. "It only takes ten dollars to bury a Liberal? Here's a hundred - go bury 10 of them!"

Q: How do you keep a Liberal busy? A: Write 'Please turn over' on both sides of a piece of paper.

Q: How do you keep a Liberal busy all day? A: Put him in a round room and tell him to wait in the corner.

Q: What do you call a Liberal with an IQ of 130? A: A foursome

Q: How do you get a one-armed Liberal out of a tree? A: Wave to him.

Q: What do you call a basement full of Liberals? A: A whine cellar.

Q: What is foreplay for a Liberal? A: Thirty minutes of begging.

Q: What is the Liberal doing when he holds his hands tightly over his ears? A: Trying to hold on to a thought.

Q: Why did the Liberal have blisters on his lips? A: From trying to blow out light bulbs.

Q: Why do Liberals work seven days a week? A: So you don't have to retrain them on Monday.

A Liberal found a magic genie's lamp and rubbed it. The genie said, "I will grant you one wish." He said, "I wish I were smarter". So the genie made him a Republican.

Q: What the difference between a Liberal and the rear end of a horse? A: I don't know either.

Q: How is a Liberal different from a sewer rat? A: Some people actually like sewer rats.

Q: How many Liberals does it take to change a light bulb? A: None. They prefer to walk in the dark.

Q: Why do so many Liberals live in L.A.? A: Its the only city that is easy enough for them to spell.

Q: What's five miles long and has an IQ of forty? A: A Liberal parade.

Q: What is it called when a Liberal blows in another Liberals ear? A: Data transfer.

Q: Why don't they let Liberals swim in the ocean? A: Because they can't get the smell out of the tuna.

Q: How do you plant dope? A: Bury a Liberal. Q: What's the difference between a Liberal and a sack of manure? A: The sack.

Q: What's the definition of a Liberal running for Congress for the first time? A: A mouse trying to become a rat.

source: LIBERALS Joke - Single Liners

 

[francoHFW]

All dupes have is stupid jokes, talking points, and insults. BTW, it's scientifically proven the libs are smarter than cons, not to mention the incredible bs propaganda hater dupes believe. The gap is growing by leaps and bounds.

 

[francoHFW]

F. Lee Levin is a Rushbot dingbat...

 

[rightwinger]

LIBERALS Q: What do you get when you offer a Liberal a penny for his thoughts? A: Change.

Q: How do you confuse a Liberal? A: You don't. They're born that way.

Q: Why is it good to have a Liberal passenger? A: You can park in the handicap zone.

Q: What's the difference between Elvis and a smart Liberal? A: Elvis has been sighted.

A Liberal died and a friend went around collecting for a fund for his funeral. A woman was asked to donate ten dollars. "Ten dollars?" she said. "It only takes ten dollars to bury a Liberal? Here's a hundred - go bury 10 of them!"

Q: How do you keep a Liberal busy? A: Write 'Please turn over' on both sides of a piece of paper.

Q: How do you keep a Liberal busy all day? A: Put him in a round room and tell him to wait in the corner.

Q: What do you call a Liberal with an IQ of 130? A: A foursome

Q: How do you get a one-armed Liberal out of a tree? A: Wave to him.

Q: What do you call a basement full of Liberals? A: A whine cellar.

Q: What is foreplay for a Liberal? A: Thirty minutes of begging.

Q: What is the Liberal doing when he holds his hands tightly over his ears? A: Trying to hold on to a thought.

Q: Why did the Liberal have blisters on his lips? A: From trying to blow out light bulbs.

Q: Why do Liberals work seven days a week? A: So you don't have to retrain them on Monday.

A Liberal found a magic genie's lamp and rubbed it. The genie said, "I will grant you one wish." He said, "I wish I were smarter". So the genie made him a Republican.

Q: What the difference between a Liberal and the rear end of a horse? A: I don't know either.

Q: How is a Liberal different from a sewer rat? A: Some people actually like sewer rats.

Q: How many Liberals does it take to change a light bulb? A: None. They prefer to walk in the dark.

Q: Why do so many Liberals live in L.A.? A: Its the only city that is easy enough for them to spell.

Q: What's five miles long and has an IQ of forty? A: A Liberal parade.

Q: What is it called when a Liberal blows in another Liberals ear? A: Data transfer.

Q: Why don't they let Liberals swim in the ocean? A: Because they can't get the smell out of the tuna.

Q: How do you plant dope? A: Bury a Liberal. Q: What's the difference between a Liberal and a sack of manure? A: The sack.

Q: What's the definition of a Liberal running for Congress for the first time? A: A mouse trying to become a rat.

source: LIBERALS Joke - Single Liners

Damn....That is what passes for conservative humor?

Variations of "Liberals are stupid"?

No wonder they are out of touch with most Americans

 

[eagle1462010]

The Federalist Papers - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Hamilton and Madison will now address the libs on this thread...............

To this general answer, the general reply ought to be sufficient, that liberty may be endangered by the abuses of liberty as well as by the abuses of power; that there are numerous instances of the former as well as of the latter; and that the former, rather than the latter, are apparently most to be apprehended by the United States. But a more particular reply may be given.
Before such a revolution can be effected, the Senate, it is to be observed, must in the first place corrupt itself; must next corrupt the State legislatures; must then corrupt the House of Representatives; and must finally corrupt the people at large. It is evident that the Senate must be first corrupted before it can attempt an establishment of tyranny. Without corrupting the State legislatures, it cannot prosecute the attempt, because the periodical change of members would otherwise regenerate the whole body. Without exerting the means of corruption with equal success on the House of Representatives, the opposition of that coequal branch of the government would inevitably defeat the attempt; and without corrupting the people themselves, a succession of new representatives would speedily restore all things to their pristine order. Is there any man who can seriously persuade himself that the proposed Senate can, by any possible means within the compass of human address, arrive at the object of a lawless ambition, through all these obstructions?

Again, they made it crystal clear why they did this. The State Legislature is CLEARLY intended to be a check on the Senator. This is Madison and Hamilton explaining it clear as a bell.

 

[eagle1462010]

It was just in response to the knock knock BS.

Again, I'm showing the Federalist Papers article 63 explains the reasoning of the Senate. I just posted it, and the State Legislatures were clearly in the food chain to have a check on the Senate and Gov't.

 

[francoHFW]

That was before we found out state legislatures were the PROBLEM lol. Now we know the Senate is the adults- check out the corrupt HOUSE we have...anyone in the world could tell you the problem is big money, the corrupt Pubs it's bought, and the lies they tell to the dupes....get serious, ignoramuses....check the Reaganist collapse of the nonrich and the country in order to pander to the greedy rich, the stupidest wars ever and the world depression...give up on the Rush/Levin etc etc BS.

 

[eagle1462010]

That was before we found out state legislatures were the PROBLEM lol. Now we know the Senate is the adults- check out the corrupt HOUSE we have...anyone in the world could tell you the problem is big money, the corrupt Pubs it's bought, and the lies they tell to the dupes....get serious, ignoramuses....check the Reaganist collapse of the nonrich and the country in order to pander to the greedy rich, the stupidest wars ever and the world depression...give up on the Rush/Levin etc etc BS.

aka The Corrupt House that refuses to bend to your political beliefs. A House that is trying to stop the BS of Obama and the Dems, which is exactly why the Founding Fathers created 2 legislative bodies instead of one.

Again, the 17th turned away a critical Check and Balance to stop corruption. It's a lot harder to corrupt the entire State Legislature to gain the vote of one Senator. It's a hell of a lot easier to buy off one man who has no one to answer to for 6 years.

 

[eagle1462010]

Why does it give more power to the States? How is letting the People of the state directly pick who they want for their Senators taking power away from the state?

How can the State and the People be two different entities?

. . . .

Popular elections take power away from the State and award it directly to the People, making it more of a risk for mob-ocracy.

But if the People from divergent communities within a state elect their state legislators and they (the State's legislators) collectively install the STATE's representatives to the U.S. Senate, then it becomes the overall STATE government that has power over the Senators.

The people of the State is not synonymous with the People of that State BECAUSE of the lack of direct elections.

It is another check and balance. It is another form of filtering direct democracy.

. . . .

That you consider democracy an evil is what makes you a conservative, and what also puts you in a very tiny minority, thank you baby jesus.

The Republic is a form of Democracy. It just isn't a Pure one. Done so to ensure the Checks and Balances prevent the Tyranny of the few or many.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That was before we found out state legislatures were the PROBLEM lol. Now we know the Senate is the adults- check out the corrupt HOUSE we have...anyone in the world could tell you the problem is big money, the corrupt Pubs it's bought, and the lies they tell to the dupes....get serious, ignoramuses....check the Reaganist collapse of the nonrich and the country in order to pander to the greedy rich, the stupidest wars ever and the world depression...give up on the Rush/Levin etc etc BS.

aka The Corrupt House that refuses to bend to your political beliefs. A House that is trying to stop the BS of Obama and the Dems, which is exactly why the Founding Fathers created 2 legislative bodies instead of one.

Again, the 17th turned away a critical Check and Balance to stop corruption. It's a lot harder to corrupt the entire State Legislature to gain the vote of one Senator. It's a hell of a lot easier to buy off one man who has no one to answer to for 6 years.

No, a republican House that places party above country, a republican House dominated by fiscal extremists blindly adhering to partisan dogma to the detriment of the Nation, and a republican House more interested in ‘getting rid of Obama’ than doing what’s best for America.

The desire to repeal the 17th Amendment is motivated solely by an effort by the right to gain some perceived political advantage, not a desire to ‘check’ corruption or government excess.

 

[eagle1462010]

That was before we found out state legislatures were the PROBLEM lol. Now we know the Senate is the adults- check out the corrupt HOUSE we have...anyone in the world could tell you the problem is big money, the corrupt Pubs it's bought, and the lies they tell to the dupes....get serious, ignoramuses....check the Reaganist collapse of the nonrich and the country in order to pander to the greedy rich, the stupidest wars ever and the world depression...give up on the Rush/Levin etc etc BS.

aka The Corrupt House that refuses to bend to your political beliefs. A House that is trying to stop the BS of Obama and the Dems, which is exactly why the Founding Fathers created 2 legislative bodies instead of one.

Again, the 17th turned away a critical Check and Balance to stop corruption. It's a lot harder to corrupt the entire State Legislature to gain the vote of one Senator. It's a hell of a lot easier to buy off one man who has no one to answer to for 6 years.

No, a republican House that places party above country, a republican House dominated by fiscal extremists blindly adhering to partisan dogma to the detriment of the Nation, and a republican House more interested in ‘getting rid of Obama’ than doing what’s best for America.

The desire to repeal the 17th Amendment is motivated solely by an effort by the right to gain some perceived political advantage, not a desire to ‘check’ corruption or government excess.

aka OBEY.....................

Not a chance Lib. You would only be happy if they bow to your beliefs and wishes.

Load of BS. And the Libs have a lot of nerve saying that given their history of OBSTRUCTION.

You don't get your way without a fight, and you lost the house. DEAL WITH IT.

 

[velvtacheeze]

If states are so harmed by the Amendment....then why did they vote for the amendment?

The Americans who lived in the country prior to the 17th amendment clearly didn't like it enough to go through the long process of passing the amendment.

I'll take their word over how bad it must have been over yours or that gasbag Levin.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

If states are so harmed by the Amendment....then why did they vote for the amendment?

The Americans who lived in the country prior to the 17th amendment clearly didn't like it enough to go through the long process of passing the amendment.

I'll take their word over how bad it must have been over yours or that gasbag Levin.

If drinking is so damaging to your health, why are you a heavy drinker?

Answer: because people often make mistakes.

Waking up and recognizing a mistake can often lead to a profound desire to undo it.

It is not a valid or reasonable or intelligent answer to an effort to correct some mistake to say, "if it's so bad, why did we do it in the first place?"

Because we made a mistake.

It is time to correct the mistake.

 

[rightwinger]

If states are so harmed by the Amendment....then why did they vote for the amendment?

The Americans who lived in the country prior to the 17th amendment clearly didn't like it enough to go through the long process of passing the amendment.

I'll take their word over how bad it must have been over yours or that gasbag Levin.

If drinking is so damaging to your health, why are you a heavy drinker?

Answer: because people often make mistakes.

Waking up and recognizing a mistake can often lead to a profound desire to undo it.

It is not a valid or reasonable or intelligent answer to an effort to correct some mistake to say, "if it's so bad, why did we do it in the first place?"

Because we made a mistake.

It is time to correct the mistake.

Allowing the people to select their own representatives is a mistake?

I hope Republicans make this part of their platform

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Why does it give more power to the States? How is letting the People of the state directly pick who they want for their Senators taking power away from the state?

How can the State and the People be two different entities?

. . . .

Popular elections take power away from the State and award it directly to the People, making it more of a risk for mob-ocracy.

But if the People from divergent communities within a state elect their state legislators and they (the State's legislators) collectively install the STATE's representatives to the U.S. Senate, then it becomes the overall STATE government that has power over the Senators.

The people of the State is not synonymous with the People of that State BECAUSE of the lack of direct elections.

It is another check and balance. It is another form of filtering direct democracy.

. . . .

That you consider democracy an evil is what makes you a conservative, and what also puts you in a very tiny minority, thank you baby jesus.

What a moronic thing you just said. I'm not surprised, really.

Listen up: I do not consider democracy an evil. As a conservative, I endorse democracy, unlike you.

Like the Founders and the Framers and lots of other intelligent folks, however, I recognize that an unconstrained 'democracy" harbors within it the seeds of some serious problems.

Are you TRULY so ignorant that you NEVER heard of the concept of a "tyranny of the majority?"

Are you such a dilettante devotee of democracy that you favor unconstrained "democracy" over checks and balances that serve to safeguard AGAINST a tyranny of a majority?

Thank the baby Jesus indeed that far wiser people than you PREVAILED at the birth of our Republic.