Liberals to Stamp Out 'Take Out'????

[PoliticalChic]

Incredible.

Styrofoam can be replaced with paper products and newer biodegradables.

If anyone in this discussion deserves to have 23,000 tons of styrofoam dumped in their front yard, it would be poster PoliticalChic. I have never in my life met someone who appears to be as ecologically irresponsible. Her(?) commentary is so unreasonable it makes me suspect she is actually trolling.

BTW, before implying that styrofoam waste is insignificant because it only makes up 23,000 or 3 million tons, one might look at the obvious. The volume of 23,000 tons of styrofoam is 18,400,000 cubic feet. That would be a cube 264 feet on a side. That would be roughly one third the volume of one of the World Trade Center Towers. Every year.

Now just for comparison purposes, let's estimate that trash has the same density as water (since it's routinely dumped at sea, that's being conservative). Three million tons of water has a volume of 96,154,000 cubic feet.

So, athough the styrofoam makes up less than 8 ten-thousandths of the waste's mass, it makes up almost one-fifth of it's volume. Successfully reducing the waste volume of a major urban area by 20% would have an enormous impact.

So who cares? I do. Who doesn't? PoliticalChic. She seems to be content to lie in her own waste, so to speak.

Seems you are ignorant of the subject about which you'd like to appear knowledgeable.


"Styrofoam can be replaced with paper products and newer biodegradables."


Nothing biodegrades.


" Myth:Biodegradable products are the preferred environmental solution because waste simply biodegrades in the landfill.
Reality:Nothing biodegrades in a landfill because nothing is supposed to."
Biodegradable Products Institute - Biodegradation Myths


What to do with a nation filled with simpletons like you who march to the pitter patter of Liberal bumper-stickers.


Sorry for the mixed metaphor.



Here is a bumper-sticker that applies to folks like you:
“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”

Sad for the nation, isn't it.

I was wrong on one point. You don't seem to be quoting anyone. The statement is yours and yours alone.

Don't you think a real shocker would be if you could claim to be right on one point?

See, that's why 'Dog Bites Man' isn't news....but 'Man Bites Dog' is.


Get it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I get styrofoam trash washing up along my creek, though plastic bags are the most common thing.

Now, I'm happy to clean it up myself, seeing it as a civic duty. It's a liberal thing, helping the community. However, the libertarians inform me that I have the right, nay, the duty, to sue someone to get compensation for my labor, as that's how environmental problems are always supposed to be solved. There must be lawyers involved and lawsuits filed; it's the libertarian way.

So, who do I sue?

"So, who do I sue?"

Any institution that claimed to have given you an education.....



Was that RINGLING BROS. AND BARNUM & BAILEY CLOWN COLLEGE

or McDonald's Hamburger University?

 

[mamooth]

So you're saying libertarianism has no solution to pollution from diffuse sources?

How can that be? Libertarians tell me libertarianism solves _everything_. Surely, you must have a solution as to how I get compensation for the damage to my property. If you don't have a solution, people might lose faith in your religion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So you're saying libertarianism has no solution to pollution from diffuse sources?

How can that be? Libertarians tell me libertarianism solves _everything_. Surely, you must have a solution as to how I get compensation for the damage to my property. If you don't have a solution, people might lose faith in your religion.

C'mon, now....you know what I'm sayin'...



You're a dunce.


Coach Sandusky will get a job on Sesame Street before you ‘get smart’

 

[Abraham3]

Seems you are ignorant of the subject about which you'd like to appear knowledgeable.

Nothing biodegrades.

What to do with a nation filled with simpletons like you who march to the pitter patter of Liberal bumper-stickers.

Don't you think a real shocker would be if you could claim to be right on one point?

See, that's why 'Dog Bites Man' isn't news....but 'Man Bites Dog' is.

I have yet to speak with you when you did not make nearly continuous, significant, factual errors. Imagine what I make of that.

 

[HenryBHough]

Liberal wisdom:

Before sitting on a toilet seat in an arctic outhouse (at -40 F) first piss on the seat to warm it up then snuggle down for a nice l-o-n-g stay.

Maybe longer than you might have intended but it'll give you a chance to ponder.......

Thinking conservatives understand the marvel of styrofoam substitution in the equation.

 

[flacaltenn]

Incredible.

Styrofoam can be replaced with paper products and newer biodegradables.

If anyone in this discussion deserves to have 23,000 tons of styrofoam dumped in their front yard, it would be poster PoliticalChic. I have never in my life met someone who appears to be as ecologically irresponsible. Her(?) commentary is so unreasonable it makes me suspect she is actually trolling.

BTW, before implying that styrofoam waste is insignificant because it only makes up 23,000 or 3 million tons, one might look at the obvious. The volume of 23,000 tons of styrofoam is 18,400,000 cubic feet. That would be a cube 264 feet on a side. That would be roughly one third the volume of one of the World Trade Center Towers. Every year.

Now just for comparison purposes, let's estimate that trash has the same density as water (since it's routinely dumped at sea, that's being conservative). Three million tons of water has a volume of 96,154,000 cubic feet.

So, athough the styrofoam makes up less than 8 ten-thousandths of the waste's mass, it makes up almost one-fifth of it's volume. Successfully reducing the waste volume of a major urban area by 20% would have an enormous impact.

So who cares? I do. Who doesn't? PoliticalChic. She seems to be content to lie in her own waste, so to speak.

Unless you have a way to reduce the VOLUME of the waste, your comments about weight are somewhat self defeating. Replacing with MUCH heavier plastic or starch justs gives you heavier garbage with additional enviro costs to dispose of it. Styro is mostly air, you compact it well and its less volume and less weight...

 

[flacaltenn]

I get styrofoam trash washing up along my creek, though plastic bags are the most common thing.

Now, I'm happy to clean it up myself, seeing it as a civic duty. It's a liberal thing, helping the community. However, the libertarians inform me that I have the right, nay, the duty, to sue someone to get compensation for my labor, as that's how environmental problems are always supposed to be solved. There must be lawyers involved and lawsuits filed; it's the libertarian way.

So, who do I sue?

Not a problem Sherlock. Lift the prints. Analyze the dna. Derive the time spent in the water.
That will narrow down the suspects quitema bit. Youve already ruled out the 1/2 of suspects downstream. Get crackin.. Good thing youre not complaining about condoms here.

 

[Abraham3]

Incredible.

Styrofoam can be replaced with paper products and newer biodegradables.

If anyone in this discussion deserves to have 23,000 tons of styrofoam dumped in their front yard, it would be poster PoliticalChic. I have never in my life met someone who appears to be as ecologically irresponsible. Her(?) commentary is so unreasonable it makes me suspect she is actually trolling.

BTW, before implying that styrofoam waste is insignificant because it only makes up 23,000 or 3 million tons, one might look at the obvious. The volume of 23,000 tons of styrofoam is 18,400,000 cubic feet. That would be a cube 264 feet on a side. That would be roughly one third the volume of one of the World Trade Center Towers. Every year.

Now just for comparison purposes, let's estimate that trash has the same density as water (since it's routinely dumped at sea, that's being conservative). Three million tons of water has a volume of 96,154,000 cubic feet.

So, athough the styrofoam makes up less than 8 ten-thousandths of the waste's mass, it makes up almost one-fifth of it's volume. Successfully reducing the waste volume of a major urban area by 20% would have an enormous impact.

So who cares? I do. Who doesn't? PoliticalChic. She seems to be content to lie in her own waste, so to speak.

Unless you have a way to reduce the VOLUME of the waste, your comments about weight are somewhat self defeating. Replacing with MUCH heavier plastic or starch justs gives you heavier garbage with additional enviro costs to dispose of it. Styro is mostly air, you compact it well and its less volume and less weight...

You didn't follow the conversation. Ms PoliticalChic was implying that the styrofoam waste was insignificant because it only made up 23,000 tons of the city's 3 million tons of waste produced annually. I pointed out that represented 20% of the city's trash VOLUME. Compaction will not effectively reduce its volume as the material is durably elastic and closed cell. Bloomberg's action WILL have a significant, positive impact on New York's waste disposal issues.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Seems you are ignorant of the subject about which you'd like to appear knowledgeable.

Nothing biodegrades.

What to do with a nation filled with simpletons like you who march to the pitter patter of Liberal bumper-stickers.

Don't you think a real shocker would be if you could claim to be right on one point?

See, that's why 'Dog Bites Man' isn't news....but 'Man Bites Dog' is.

I have yet to speak with you when you did not make nearly continuous, significant, factual errors. Imagine what I make of that.

That's a fib.


But...be serious....how would you recognize any errors...based on how little you actually know.


True?

 

[Abraham3]

Would you like a list?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Would you like a list?

1. You appear to be one of those really boring people who use their fingers to air-quote as they speak. True?




2. But since you ask, here's what I'd like: you brain-dead lock-step Liberals who have accepted the indoctrination by socialist inoculation to realize that environmentalism is politics, not science and is designed to, de facto, take over private property by myriad and minute regulation...

a. “…when land is public, or if it can be made quasi-public with so many regulations attached that most property rights are removed, people can’t afford to fight, having lost the better part of their wealth. So ideally for the movement, regulations should be almost infinite in reach and so imprecise as to be interpreted in a dozen ways.

All that ‘s needed to force these regulations is sufficient documentation of collapse, supported by books, movies, documentaries, museum exhibits, cartoons, newspapers and magazine stories, the devotion of fervid columnists, et cetera, ad infinitum, to convince the public that “something must be done.” This “feeling” is backed by slightly more substantive hundred-page full-color glossy PDFs aimed at policy makers and politicians.”
Nickson, “Eco-Fascists,” p. 170.




3. And after you accede to the above, I'd like double Espresso Macchiato latte.....

...and be quick about it.



We may have finally found your niche!

 

[Abraham3]

Since you haven't said a single thing worth a response since I became aware of your existence, welcome to my Ignore List.

Buh-Bye!

 

[mamooth]

Not a problem Sherlock. Lift the prints. Analyze the dna. Derive the time spent in the water.
That will narrow down the suspects quitema bit. Youve already ruled out the 1/2 of suspects downstream. Get crackin.. Good thing youre not complaining about condoms here.

Thousands of dollars spent per plastic bag is not a practical solution to getting compensation for my property damage.

But thanks for the illustration. You know, of how libertarianism works great in the fantasy realm, but fails hard in the real world. If only we lived in your ivory tower fantasy, you'd be set.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Since you haven't said a single thing worth a response since I became aware of your existence, welcome to my Ignore List.

Buh-Bye!

And another one bites the dust.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not a problem Sherlock. Lift the prints. Analyze the dna. Derive the time spent in the water.
That will narrow down the suspects quitema bit. Youve already ruled out the 1/2 of suspects downstream. Get crackin.. Good thing youre not complaining about condoms here.

Thousands of dollars spent per plastic bag is not a practical solution to getting compensation for my property damage.

But thanks for the illustration. You know, of how libertarianism works great in the fantasy realm, but fails hard in the real world. If only we lived in your ivory tower fantasy, you'd be set.

Curious....which of 'em was your alma mater?

 

[Synthaholic]

"RALEIGH — To Raleigh's thinking, that holiday gift from your tree-hugger friend contains a hidden danger: biodegradable packing peanuts -- menace to plumbing pipes everywhere.

Raleigh's public utilities crew tested the popular corn-starch packaging and discovered that, contrary to the advertising, they do not dissolve in water.

"They actually required agitation," said Dale Crisp, the city's public utilities director. "We were stirring vigorously, and even when we did so overnight, they did not completely dissolve."

That means the eco-friendly peanuts can gum up the city's sewer lines when poured, flushed or dumped. The city suggests you save them to reuse instead, or drop them in the landfill to slowly trickle out of existence."
RALEIGH: Starchy packing peanuts flunk a flush test | Local/State | NewsObserver.com

What does that have to do with plant starch utensils that break down harmlessly?

They don't.

"... corn-starch packaging and discovered that, contrary to the advertising, they do not dissolve in water."

This is all you've got?

 

[flacaltenn]

Not a problem Sherlock. Lift the prints. Analyze the dna. Derive the time spent in the water.
That will narrow down the suspects quitema bit. Youve already ruled out the 1/2 of suspects downstream. Get crackin.. Good thing youre not complaining about condoms here.

Thousands of dollars spent per plastic bag is not a practical solution to getting compensation for my property damage.

But thanks for the illustration. You know, of how libertarianism works great in the fantasy realm, but fails hard in the real world. If only we lived in your ivory tower fantasy, you'd be set.

Well no.. libertarians have little to offer the bitter old men whose probl3ms are in the class ofkeeping those kids off his lawn.. I suggest u check in with the other cranks that donnt want to invest the time to prosecute..

 

[Foxfyre]

Incredible.

Styrofoam can be replaced with paper products and newer biodegradables.

If anyone in this discussion deserves to have 23,000 tons of styrofoam dumped in their front yard, it would be poster PoliticalChic. I have never in my life met someone who appears to be as ecologically irresponsible. Her(?) commentary is so unreasonable it makes me suspect she is actually trolling.

BTW, before implying that styrofoam waste is insignificant because it only makes up 23,000 or 3 million tons, one might look at the obvious. The volume of 23,000 tons of styrofoam is 18,400,000 cubic feet. That would be a cube 264 feet on a side. That would be roughly one third the volume of one of the World Trade Center Towers. Every year.

Now just for comparison purposes, let's estimate that trash has the same density as water (since it's routinely dumped at sea, that's being conservative). Three million tons of water has a volume of 96,154,000 cubic feet.

So, athough the styrofoam makes up less than 8 ten-thousandths of the waste's mass, it makes up almost one-fifth of it's volume. Successfully reducing the waste volume of a major urban area by 20% would have an enormous impact.

So who cares? I do. Who doesn't? PoliticalChic. She seems to be content to lie in her own waste, so to speak.

Unless you have a way to reduce the VOLUME of the waste, your comments about weight are somewhat self defeating. Replacing with MUCH heavier plastic or starch justs gives you heavier garbage with additional enviro costs to dispose of it. Styro is mostly air, you compact it well and its less volume and less weight...

You didn't follow the conversation. Ms PoliticalChic was implying that the styrofoam waste was insignificant because it only made up 23,000 tons of the city's 3 million tons of waste produced annually. I pointed out that represented 20% of the city's trash VOLUME. Compaction will not effectively reduce its volume as the material is durably elastic and closed cell. Bloomberg's action WILL have a significant, positive impact on New York's waste disposal issues.

I believe it is incorrect that compaction will not effective reduce the volume of styrofoam. And that could be a very effective means to deal with a styrofoam problem, not that fast food contributes more than a small percentage to the overall problem and certainly not a huge portion of the overall volume:

HARDEN styrofoam compactors produce high density logs allowing trailers to be loaded to maximum weights. The presses compact waste Styrofoam packaging blocks, Styrofoam fish boxes, and Styrofoam board to absolute minimum, up to 50 to 1 size reduction.
Styrofoam Compactor | Styrofoam Densifier for Volume Reduction of Waste EPS Foam

 

[PoliticalChic]

Unless you have a way to reduce the VOLUME of the waste, your comments about weight are somewhat self defeating. Replacing with MUCH heavier plastic or starch justs gives you heavier garbage with additional enviro costs to dispose of it. Styro is mostly air, you compact it well and its less volume and less weight...

You didn't follow the conversation. Ms PoliticalChic was implying that the styrofoam waste was insignificant because it only made up 23,000 tons of the city's 3 million tons of waste produced annually. I pointed out that represented 20% of the city's trash VOLUME. Compaction will not effectively reduce its volume as the material is durably elastic and closed cell. Bloomberg's action WILL have a significant, positive impact on New York's waste disposal issues.

I believe it is incorrect that compaction will not effective reduce the volume of styrofoam. And that could be a very effective means to deal with a styrofoam problem, not that fast food contributes more than a small percentage to the overall problem and certainly not a huge portion of the overall volume:

HARDEN styrofoam compactors produce high density logs allowing trailers to be loaded to maximum weights. The presses compact waste Styrofoam packaging blocks, Styrofoam fish boxes, and Styrofoam board to absolute minimum, up to 50 to 1 size reduction.
Styrofoam Compactor | Styrofoam Densifier for Volume Reduction of Waste EPS Foam

Hold everything!


Word is that Obama is working on an executive order that will mandate the use of Royal Copenhagen dinnerware in all restaurants, take-out, and fast-food carts......

....the good news, if you like your current dishes, you can keep 'em! Period!